User talk:Phil Bridger/October 2011 – December 2011

October 2011
Please do not remove Biographies of Living Persons prods from an article unless it contains at least one reliable source or was created before 18 March 2010. If you oppose the deletion of an article under this process, please consider sourcing the article or commenting at the respective talk page. Thank you. ''Sorry for templating you, but Twinkle is awesome. Also, I'm refering to Hélder Godinho (it doesn't have any sources; external links are different from sources) and Daniel Stana. (also had no sources; again, external links are separate, since they usually give more info about the subject, rather than showing that that is where they got that information from)'' LikeLakers2 (talk &#124; Sign my guestbook!) 14:12, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Please read the link in the template, and you will see that for WP:BLPPROD to be used it requires that "the article contain no sources in any form (as references, external links, etc.)". Maybe you should stop using Twinkle, slow down and check things properly before throwing templates around. Phil Bridger (talk) 14:16, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I honestly think Hélder Godinho would still be up for deletion per WP:BLPPROD, as the external link included seems to be a Spanish page, and therefore, would go on the Spanish Wikipedia, not the English Wikipedia. Perhaps we could transwiki that article to the Spanish Wikipedia? LikeLakers2 (talk &#124; Sign my guestbook!) 14:24, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Also, no real need to tb me. I usually am watching pages for a while after replying. LikeLakers2 (talk &#124; Sign my guestbook!) 14:26, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Why on earth would we want to transwiki an article written in English to the Spanish Wikipedia? Once again, you don't appear to be thinking before writing. Phil Bridger (talk) 14:27, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
 * That is the point, of course. We could get it translated and then transwiki it. Either that or I see no reliable sources for that article. LikeLakers2 (talk &#124; Sign my guestbook!) 14:31, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I'd really people didn't use that facepalm template. It is really quite uncivil. It is tantamount to saying "you are being thick for not understanding me". Here, however, Phil is quite correct, and it is yourself who has missed the point.--Scott Mac 15:49, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Second that. Using that template is bad enough when you're in the right, but when you've totally failed to advance a valid argument and misunderstood the relevant policies... Alzarian16 (talk) 19:13, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
 * If the source is unreliable for English Wikipedia then it is just as unreliable for Spanish Wikipedia. Reliability is not a function of language, and the "English" and "Spanish" in the names of the Wikipedias refer to the languages in which articles are written, not the languages of the sources used. And, btw, that source is in Portuguese, not Spanish. Phil Bridger (talk) 15:09, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

You participated in the Jacobson Flare AFD, which is now restarted
You recently participated in the AFD for Jacobson Flare, which resulted in a deletion review, which got it relisted. I'm contacting everyone who didn't notice and participate in the new one already.  D r e a m Focus  06:13, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

Dr. Mahalingam College of Engineering and Technology
Since you objected to my speedy on Dr.Mahalingam College of Engineering and Technology I'll leave it to you to decide what to make of the whole mess of Dr.Mahalingam College of Engineering and Technology, Dr. Mahalingam College of Engineering and Technology and Dr Mahalingam College of Engineering and Technology. You may think it's notable, but 3 articles worth? Bazj (talk) 16:26, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

The Cultural Origins of Human Cognition
Nice! Definitely stealing that option where I can in future. Annoyed I never thought about it myself! Best wishes Haruth (talk) 17:15, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

WP:ATHLETE
Hi, in regards to your edit comment here: I just wanted to highlight to you that WP:ATHLETE states, "This guideline is used to help evaluate whether or not a sports person or sports league/organization (amateur or professional) will meet the general notability guideline, and thus merit an article in Wikipedia." Note that it covers sports league/organizations. ConcernedVancouverite (talk) 21:18, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
 * It claims to do that, but I can see no criteria in the guideline that actually cover sports teams. I'm sure that if there were any such criteria they would include the common sense criterion that national teams of major countries in major sports should be considered notable. Phil Bridger (talk) 21:23, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

Institute of Rural Management
Please guide me how to retain my page on wikipedia — Preceding unsigned comment added by Samar Saeed Akhtar (talk • contribs) 10:13, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

National Memorial Hall (Mount Herzl)
Year 1860 marks the exit from the walls of Jerusalem and the built the of the New Jerusalem where Jews began to establish military underground to protect the Jews who lived long before there was the State of Israel and fallen by protect the jewish homes. פארוק (talk) 18:29, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for that partial clarification. Let's keep the discussion in one place, at Talk:National Memorial Hall (Mount Herzl), where others can join in. Phil Bridger (talk) 18:32, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
 * befor establish the state of israel it called: "ERETZ ISRAEL ( the land of israel )" or Palestine in your language. פארוק (talk) 21:10, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Once again, please keep discussion about a specific article to the article talk page. Phil Bridger (talk) 21:14, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

Politics and Pop Culture In the United States
I was astounded to see that the ambassador we were engaging, User:Epistemophiliac, is the chair of the Campus Amb. steering committee. I think you're right about Campus Ambassadors being ill-conceived. EEng (talk) 22:19, 14 October 2011 (UTC)

Talkback
This is a message to Mihir, but  I  think  it concerns everyone involved in  the IEP. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 02:43, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

Dial-the-Truth Ministries
Hi. Thanks for adding those secondary sources to the article. I have a question, though: Where in Media, Gender and Identity: An Introduction is DTTM mentioned? I looked through that book on Amazon, and couldn't find mention of it. Thanks. Nightscream (talk) 22:00, 19 October 2011 (UTC)
 * On page 225, as stated in the citation. Phil Bridger (talk) 22:07, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

India Education Program
Remember you and I were in a short exchanged at AfD with someone re concerns about "Campus Ambassadors" and so on? I thought you might be interested in this. Admirable goals, of course, but worrisome... EEng (talk) 12:47, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

removal of proposed deletion http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre_Lagrange
This person has done nothing noteworthy, this page is clearly a blog and/or self-promotion contrary to 'what Wikipedia is not' rules.

Backbone.js
You PRODded this, and I deleted it. That has been questioned on my talk page, so I have restored it and now notify you in case you wish to consider taking it to AfD. According to the requester, it is more important tan the one-line article made out; I am going to post a note at WT:WikiProject Software to see whether anyone there is interested in exanding it. regards, JohnCD (talk) 16:32, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

Arthur Nozik
Hi Phil,

You removed the PROD from Arthur Nozik - I've put it forward for AfD, since I still haven't been able to find anything that demonstrates he passes WP:PROF or WP:GNG. You may have found sources that prove otherwise, but either way I thought you might want to weigh in on the discussion, it's at Articles for deletion/Arthur Nozik‎. Cheers, Yunshui 雲&zwj;水 13:44, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

November 2011
Welcome to Wikipedia. It might not have been your intention, but you removed a speedy deletion tag from RKSD College Of Pharmacy, a page you have created yourself. If you believe the page should not be deleted, you may contest the deletion by clicking on the button that says: Click here to contest this speedy deletion and appears inside the speedy deletion notice. This will allow you to make your case on the page's talk page. Administrators will consider your reasoning before deciding what to do with the page. Thank you. Clarkcj12 (talk) 01:56, 12 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I did not create that article, so am entitled to remove the speedy deletion tag. Please don't throw warning templates around when you are the one acting in breach of policy. I would advise you to make sure that you have read and understood the speedy deletion criteria before tagging any more articles, for example WP:CSD clearly says, "not including educational institutions", when describing what articles it applies to. By mistagging articles in this way you are not helping Wikipedia, but rather driving away potentially good editors. Phil Bridger (talk) 10:04, 12 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I am sorry, I didn't see that part when I last looked at it. I am sorry about that mistake I didn't see the part about it not including educational institutions. I also thought you were the creator of the article. I am so sorry about that.--Clarkcj12 (talk) 18:35, 12 November 2011 (UTC)

Malik Karamat Ali Khokhar
Compare our page:
 * Malik Karamat Ali Khokhar is the former MPA of PP-160 elected in the year 1993. He was also a candidate for PPP-128.His wife died in the year 2011 of a protracted illness in a private hospital.

with the source. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 22:18, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

Nomination of Type H Sword for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Type H Sword is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Articles for deletion/Type H Sword until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on good quality evidence, and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion template from the top of the article. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 18:27, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

Ba'ath
This is a duplicate of this. Arab Ba'ath Party (al-Arsuzi) should be deleted regardless of Arab Ba'ath Party being redirected or not. — Jean Calleo (talk) 22:19, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Don't be silly. How can WP:CSD possibly apply when the two titles point to articles about different topics? Phil Bridger (talk) 22:31, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
 * There was no need to insult me. I found both of the articles as non-redirects, holding the same content, what else should've I done? /rhetorical — Jean Calleo (talk) 22:47, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
 * That might be how you found the articles, but it's not how you left them, so they were no longer duplicates. I've made a basic start on sorting out the mess that you left. Phil Bridger (talk) 22:59, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
 * ...mess that I left? Please watch what you're saying. And look at the page histories. — Jean Calleo (talk) 23:04, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

Dark Tower film adaptation proposed deletion
Can you please explain to me the circumstances of removing the proposed deletion tag from The Dark Tower series film adaptation? I believe it is very clear that the page should be deleted. It completely opposes all NFF guidelines. This is why I proposed it for deletion. I made a very detailed and particular case for why the article should not exist on Wikipedia at this time and should be merged into The Dark Tower (series) until such time as principle photography on a Dark Tower movie begins. However, User:Jmj713 did not make a case against the facts I laid down. He/she simply reverted my proposed deletion and said the article had many sources. Having many sources is not a case against the facts I saw for deleting the page. Nor did Jmj713 discuss the notability guidelines for The Dark Tower series film adaptation. This user simply used editing war tactics to protect a page they created which blatantly opposes Wikipedia film notability guidelines. As I said they reverted my edit to propose deletion without discuss the allegation for deletion. You said that an article can not be "A WP:PROD tag can't be reinstated once it has been contested" and yet user Jmj713 did not contest the edit, they simply reverted it without properly discussing the reasons for proposed deletion.Danleary25 (talk) 18:33, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Please see WP:PROD for the instructions for using the proposed deletion procedure, in particular point 2 in the introduction: "If any person (even the author him/herself) objects to the deletion (usually by removing the proposed deletion tag), the proposal is aborted and may not be re-proposed." (my bolding). If you want to get this deleted you need to start a discussion by following the instructions at WP:AFD. Phil Bridger (talk) 18:43, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

Jacopo Saltarelli
Jacopo Saltarelli is completely non-notable. He lived with his brother, a goldsmith. He is reputed to have been an artists model. He was twice charged with sodomy, on one occasion with someone famous. Charges were dropped. Nothing more is known about him.

The reason why his article gets a few hits is simply because there was a link to it from the article Leonardo da Vinci's personal life. It is natural that people reading the section of the article that deals with that case, and seeing Jacopo Saltarelli linked, then follow the link to find out more. But there is nothing more. All that is known about Saltarelli is in the article about Leonardo da Vinci's personal life.

The information is highly relevant to the article on Leonardo, because:
 * the sodomy charge is the only fixed date in Leonardo's life at that time,
 * because his various biographers have speculated that the court case had a profound effect on him. It has been suggested that he became celibate as a result, and argued that he simply became cautious about his (presumed) homosexuality.
 * it is absolutely the only thing that we know for certain about Leonardo's sexuality, and sexual involvements.

As for Jacopo Saltarelli, he wasn't a famous goldsmith. He wasn't a famous artist's model as no known picture exists of him. He wasn't even a famous prostitute in his own right. His only claim to fame is that he might have been laid by Leonardo da Vinci.

The person who created the article has left Wikipedia. The other person who worked on it, Haiduc, who has continually manipulated the biography of Leonardo wherever possible in order to prove pederasty,  doesn't seem to have been around for a few months. I checked these people out before putting up the banner.

You have seemed to have decided that the removal wouldn't be controversial. I suggest that if you put the banner back, you will find that it is fairly uncontroversial, because, as I have said, he is non-notable, and the information is already merged in the article where it is relevant. No-one will look up Saltarelli for any personal fame. We only have his name because it was in the court record. As I wrote earlier, it is pointless to have an article on every prostitute who might have had a liaison with a famous customer. It is ridiculous. Amandajm (talk) 23:02, 5 December 2011 (UTC)


 * OK! The leading sentence to the article now makes his total lack of notability perfectly clear.   It states:
 * Jacopo d’Andrea Saltarelli (b. 1459) was an apprentice goldsmith and male prostitute, about which nothing is known except the details of court records of several charges of prostitution, in one of which Leonardo da Vinci was among the accused.[1] 
 * Amandajm (talk) 23:28, 5 December 2011 (UTC)
 * If you think that this should be deleted rather than, for example, redirected then the place to dicsuss it is WP:AFD, where everyone can join in the discussion, rather than my talk page. Phil Bridger (talk) 13:13, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

suicide angels CSD rever
The original csd was "contested" by me. At the time I viewed the article, it was not blank (the author blanking had been reverted by another editor, before the author CSDed the article themselves).

As the page was not blank, I replaced the blank CSD with the notablity csd (as the page has previously been CSDed on those terms).

As I am the person that placed the new CSD, and the person that reverted the old CSD, I don't think that qualifies as "contesting".

Gaijin42 (talk) 17:19, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Try looking properly. Phil Bridger (talk) 17:39, 7 December 2011 (UTC)


 * MM., however, there was a CSD on the article at the time I modified it. I just changed it to a different reason. In any case, the author blanked, (reverted by someone else), so I am not sure does your contesting a notability CSD, mean that it can no longer be CSDed due to author blank?  In any case, I shall AFD as there seems to be arguments on both sides. Gaijin42 (talk) 18:01, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Asian Avenue Magazine
A magazine is not a company? Say wha?? Hairhorn (talk) 22:52, 14 December 2011 (UTC)


 * A magazine is a company??? Phil Bridger (talk) 23:11, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

AfD for Häfele
Just FYI since you removed the CSD tag... I put an AfD for Häfele up. If you want to comment the discussion is here: Articles_for_deletion/Häfele I'm also doing the same thing for Pt. G.B. Pant High Altitude Zoo, Nainital here: Articles_for_deletion/Pt. G.B. Pant High Altitude Zoo, Nainital Regards,  Liv it ⇑ Eh?/What? 01:04, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

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Tokheim - removal of Speedy
I have replaced the Speedy template you removed from this page with the comment "contest speedy deletion - "one of the leaders in this market" is an indication of importance/significance". If it is indeed notable then citations need to be provided to indicate this. If you wish to contest the deletion please do so on the article's Talk page rather than removing the template. Thanks  Vrenator     talk   10:12, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
 * References are not required to avoid speedy deletion under WP:CSD, only an indication of importance. The place to discuss deletion based on a lack of sources or notability is WP:AFD. I am not the article creator, so am perfectly entitled to contest speedy deletion by removing the template with an edit summary. Phil Bridger (talk) 10:29, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

Rana Jashraj
Hi!! I have avoided putting underlines and bolding of statements in my further comments on AfD of Rana Jashraj.--- Jethwarp (talk) 05:18, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

Mohamed Mursal Sheikh Abdurahman
the Mohamed Mursal Sheikh Abdurahman article as needing some serious work, and you with the comment "revert disruptive tagbombing." While you may object to the tags, you didn't fix any of the issues described, nor did you explain why you thought the issues weren't applicable.

For instance, the article should absolutely be tagged as an orphan, as it has zero incoming links from articles.

If you want to improve the article, then improve the article—but don't just remove tags and think that that helps anything. Dori ☾Talk ⁘ Contribs☽ 02:38, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

CSD notification
The page National Centre For Cell Science looks like it may be a valid CSD, but I prefer not to delete a page unless the creator has been notified. I understand that sometimes automated tools fail to do the notification for some reason. Not sure if that was the case, but could you make the notification? SPhilbrick (Talk)  15:11, 30 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Done. Phil Bridger (talk) 16:33, 30 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks, now deleted.-- SPhilbrick  (Talk)  17:56, 30 December 2011 (UTC)