User talk:Philafrenzy/Archive 23

DYK nomination of Henry Goodeve
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A barnstar for you!

 * Indeed, the shared total is now 40, average rate one every 3.825 days. -- Red rose64 &#x1f339; (talk) 08:55, 7 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Thank you both. It's odd how little actual teamwork there is on this collaborative project. Philafrenzy (talk) 09:04, 7 June 2018 (UTC)

Christopher Richardson
Christopher Richardson is a Fringe personality. Maybe your page should be moved, but I don't know to what.Xx236 (talk) 11:54, 7 June 2018 (UTC)
 * I think you may be referring to a different Christopher Richardson? Philafrenzy (talk) 12:26, 7 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Exatly. Please check links leading to it. There is also a Canadian figure scater.Xx236 (talk) 12:37, 7 June 2018 (UTC)
 * That's a lot of links. Philafrenzy (talk) 12:40, 7 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Created Christopher Richardson (Deputy Lieutenant) instead. Thanks. Philafrenzy (talk) 12:44, 7 June 2018 (UTC)

DYK for Dirom Grey Crawford
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DYK for P. K. Sen (surgeon)
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DYK for Sir Gustavus Hume
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DYK for Henry Goodeve
Gatoclass (talk) 00:01, 12 June 2018 (UTC)

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Hello P. I am sorry that you have a misunderstanding about how reFill works. These are formatted by User:Zhaofeng Li/reFill. They may not have everything that you want but they are better than bare links as they are no longer subject to Link rot. If you do not like them as they are you can either a) enhance them as you see fit or b) restore them to the bare links. If you choose the latter please do not add the bare url tag as anyone else who comes to the page will run the program in the exact same fashion that I did. I'm guessing my post here may not be to your pleasure so please feel free to remove it. Please know that I appreciate your work as an editor and wish you well on WikiP and (more so) off. MarnetteD&#124;Talk 21:25, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
 * I just remembered one other possibility - you can post a request here Cleanup but you will have to be specific about what you want done. Regards. MarnetteD&#124;Talk 21:29, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the explanation but if the program doesn't give acceptable results we shouldn't really be using it. The bareurl tag remains appropriate for as long as they are bare and there are other ways of fixing them, by hand for instance. Really badly formatted refs are not better than bare in my view as they suggest the job has been done when it really hasn't. Philafrenzy (talk) 21:33, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Then you will need to take your concerns to one of the village pumps. You should be aware that reFill has been approved by the community and has been used on hundreds of thousands of articles. Thus, its results are acceptable to the current WP:CONSENSUS of the community. MarnetteD&#124;Talk 21:38, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
 * That fine for when it works well. But if what it produces is clearly rubbish we shouldn't use it on that occasion. There can never have been any consensus to add references that are missing most of the key information integral to a correctly formatted reference such as dates, authors etc. Philafrenzy (talk) 22:05, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Why is a bare URL preferable to a linked title? -- Red rose64 &#x1f339; (talk) 22:45, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Take ref 3 in PROCESSIONS (artwork). It has been formatted solely with "How to march like a Suffragette this weekend" and lacks author, publication, date, and date retrieved. In other words it lacks everything a good ref should have apart from the title. The purpose of formatting them is not to prevent them from being bare urls, it is to give the full source information for the reference including all of those items (where applicable). As a bare URL there is a chance that it will get fixed correctly. In fact, as bare it actually has more information than the current formatted version as it shows the publication and article title: https://www.standard.co.uk/go/london/arts/processions-how-to-march-like-a-suffragette-this-weekend-a3857011.html Philafrenzy (talk) 22:53, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
 * OK, so why not use Refill as a starting point and fill in the rest manually? -- Red rose64 &#x1f339; (talk) 22:57, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
 * I agree Redrose but you need to ask the people using Refill and not checking what it produces. Philafrenzy (talk) 23:02, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
 * FYI I check each use of the tool. There is no hard and fast rule about what has to be in a cite template. Believe me I have seen cite templates filled in manually that have far less info than in your example. If you insist that there is a problem with reFill and that it should no longer be used than I, again, can only suggest you take it up at the appropriate notice board. MarnetteD&#124;Talk 23:11, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
 * I have no problem with Refill. The problem arises if the user does not look at what it produces and ask themselves if it is reasonably complete or needs additional work. Formatting refs is not about replacing a bare url with any formatted text, however useless. It is about adding the full source information or as much as can reasonably be obtained. Philafrenzy (talk) 23:15, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Where is that written into policy? I have seen others use reFill in the exact same fashion as I have so you really need to take your concerns to the appropriate notice board since we are doing such damage to the articles that it is being used in.MarnetteD&#124;Talk 23:28, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Applying common sense in judging the effectiveness of one's work doesn't really need a policy, but if you insist try WP:COMPETENCE. Philafrenzy (talk) 23:31, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Mine is just fine thanks. As is that of the other editors who are using reFill. So, in closing, no actual policy to back up your complaint then. MarnetteD&#124;Talk 23:35, 12 June 2018 (UTC)

DYK for Robert Proust
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DYK for John Spencer Login
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DYK for Alfred Eteson
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DYK nomination of William Lyde Wiggett Chute
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William Lyde Wiggett Chute
Philafrenzy, also Hi, before this hook and image appears on the main page, I think it's a good idea to clean up The Vyne. The latter article calls The Vyne a country house, while William Lyde Wiggett Chute calls it an estate (I added "estate" to the lead of The Vyne). Also, William Lyde Wiggett Chute is not mentioned at all in The Vyne as one of the owners. Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 12:44, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
 * The house and the estate are synonymous. I improved the Vyne article somewhat. The DYK may well prompt further improvements. Philafrenzy (talk) 21:21, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

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Bristol meetup
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DYK for Carl Rasch (physician)
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DYK for William Lyde Wiggett Chute
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DYK for Raymond Crawfurd
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DYK nomination of Rene Strange
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DYK for Solomon Richards (surgeon)
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DYK nomination of Farouk Topan
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DYK for Feras Antoon
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DYK for Rene Strange
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DYK for Samuel Croker-King
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DYK for Leonard Guthrie
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DYK for Endsleigh Gardens
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DYK for Peter Wilmot-Sitwell
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DYK for Stuart W. Jamieson
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DYK for Benjamin Goodwin Seielstad
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DYK for Michael Peter Kaye
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DYK for R. H. Wilenski
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DYK for John Davy Rolleston
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DYK nomination of John Zamet
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DYK for Jim Dempster
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DYK for Farouk Topan
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DYK for Patrick Clarkson
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