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Template:Did you know nominations/Thomas Ridpath
QPQ please! Ta, Johnbod (talk) 17:17, 25 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Ok, sorted. Johnbod (talk) 17:38, 25 February 2019 (UTC)

DYK William Thorne (philatelist)
Just a very minor issue at Template:Did you know nominations/William Thorne (philatelist). Thanks! 78.26 (spin me / revolutions) 21:54, 25 February 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Hamilton Brown
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Proposed deletion of Raymond Butt


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Raymond Butt
Hi, If you don't think your article should be deleted either discuss about why it shouldn't be deleted or move your article to the draft so it can be made better and then accepted into a draft. Thank you Plum3600 (talk) 14:20, 26 February 2019 (UTC)
 * replied on Plum3600's talk. ——  SerialNumber  54129  14:30, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

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John De Costa
hi...I came across this name on Air Rhodesia Flight 825....I feel it needs an article....what do you think? Whispyhistory (talk) 20:00, 25 February 2019 (UTC)
 * You are probably right but why that one particularly? Philafrenzy (talk) 20:25, 25 February 2019 (UTC)
 * I came across his name when researching a transplant surgeon who was travelling at the same time. Whispyhistory (talk) 20:34, 25 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Anglican Dean of Salisbury, but did he perform surgery or collect postage stamps? Philafrenzy (talk) 20:42, 25 February 2019 (UTC)
 * No...Emu...It just seemed important and touched my heart. Whispyhistory (talk) 20:55, 25 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Well he was a dean so that's a good start. If you create it I will add what I can. Philafrenzy (talk) 21:01, 25 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you Kindly ...can you do a logo for IMSA too..please. I will research deCosta in meantime. Whispyhistory (talk) 21:12, 25 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Can you add anything here: Edward Chauncey Luard? Philafrenzy (talk) 21:20, 25 February 2019 (UTC)
 * will take a better look later, thank you Whispyhistory (talk) 07:32, 26 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks. BTW, I don't think we need to routinely link to Google Books unless there is a full preview as it adds little. If we are linking to verify the publication details, World Cat is a better choice as it is more detailed and shows library holdings of each book. Philafrenzy (talk) 10:36, 26 February 2019 (UTC)
 * understood Whispyhistory (talk) 18:43, 26 February 2019 (UTC)
 * In book citations, we don't link directly to online sellers or catalogues. There are two main kinds of link that we use, and the way that these are done differs according to the citation method. For plain text citations, as with, we would link the title to a webpage which reproduces the actual text of the book; and if the book has an ISBN, we would put that into an template - this provides links to many catalogue services. If you use the  template, its url parameter may be used for a webpage which reproduces the actual text of the book; and its isbn parameter can be used for the ISBN. -- Red rose64 &#x1f339; (talk) 19:39, 26 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Indeed. Philafrenzy (talk) 20:46, 26 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks both as usual. and  hopefully see you in Oxford next. Your advice is very valuble. Back tomorrow. Whispyhistory (talk) 21:03, 26 February 2019 (UTC)
 * see Raymond Butt, a man after your own heart. Philafrenzy (talk) 21:20, 26 February 2019 (UTC)
 * He is incredible. well done. I found another unnoticed person...Bill New who invented the pulse oximeter. Whispyhistory (talk) 21:25, 26 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Y'know, as you were writing that I was using his book to make . -- Red rose64 &#x1f339; (talk) 22:00, 26 February 2019 (UTC)
 * That book is cited on many railway pages. Whispyhistory (talk) 20:17, 27 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Thousands! Philafrenzy (talk) 21:23, 27 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Many of them due to edits by myself. I think that the first time I used it as a ref source was . I've had the book for just over nine years, judging by . -- Red rose64 &#x1f339; (talk) 00:08, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Nomination of Party piece for deletion
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Party piece
There are a number of people made famous from their party pieces. I think the list may be endless. I imagine a number of Britain's Got Talent were party pieces. Of interest. I like the second hook better, although all are good. Good work and very entertaining. Whispyhistory (talk) 12:49, 2 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I think everyone has some sort of talent they don't normally show. for instance is an expert clog-dancer. I had to stop adding new examples as there were so many. Philafrenzy (talk) 17:16, 2 March 2019 (UTC)

DYK for John W. Kirklin
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Raymond Butt
Thanks for your work on this (also and ). I've just highlighted a few issues at Template:Did you know nominations/Raymond Butt. Raymond was one of the longest serving members of the Transport Ticket Society, joining soon after the society in its present guise was formed, and we corresponded fairly regularly on ticket-related news. Although not directly ticket-related, his 1995 directory is one of the most important publications ever written by a society member, in my view (and there have been many!). Hassocks 5489 (Floreat Hova!) 13:03, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you. As a philatelist I know the significance of small pieces of paper. Philafrenzy (talk) 13:56, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

BLP violating article deleted
I have deleted Priyanka Fernando under the G10 speedy criterion. You claimed that he had commanded a division which had been accused by the UNHCR of "human rights violations", but as far as I can tell none of your 5 sources make that claim. If the claim is indeed in one of these five sourecs and I missed it, then of course I or any other admin may restore the page as is. Otherwise, please take care not to post such serious negative claims without very good sources to support it. Fram (talk) 10:41, 5 March 2019 (UTC)

The sources you used were
 * It was indeed in the sources. I don't do "attack" pages. See The Times too: "He had been a senior officer in 59 Division of Sri Lanka’s army, which the United Nations has accused of involvement in war crimes in the final stages of the civil war." Please reinstate. Philafrenzy (talk) 10:47, 5 March 2019 (UTC)
 * In which of these five sources was it included? You now present another source, not one of the five original ones. Fram (talk) 10:52, 5 March 2019 (UTC)
 * I think the earlier Times source was omitted by mistake but I now can't see the article as you know. Please reinstate and add that source or ping me and I will add straight away. Thanks. Philafrenzy (talk) 11:03, 5 March 2019 (UTC)
 * "I can't now see the article": that's why I listed the sources you included here. Please make sure that with such claims (if they even need to be included, allegations without convictions usually aren't even included) you not only include the source but make it clear which source supports the allegation, instead of dropping a number of sources at the end and let readers go on a wild goose chase for the right one. Fram (talk) 11:10, 5 March 2019 (UTC)
 * As I recall there was a ref after that bit. You could have dropped me a note. This wasn't a wild allegation on social media. This was from the UN and reported by The Times. Are you going to reinstate it, with or without that point? Philafrenzy (talk) 11:14, 5 March 2019 (UTC)
 * All the refs were after that bit. Fram (talk) 12:25, 5 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I am going to expand saying the command he had without referring to the human rights offences alleged by the UN. Others, however, may add that as he is one of the most well-known men in Sri Lanka and a highly controversial figure there and abroad with respect to the treatment of the Tamils. Philafrenzy (talk) 12:35, 5 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Here is a real attack page (nominated for deletion by me): Curse of Aaron Ramsey. Philafrenzy (talk) 12:35, 5 March 2019 (UTC)
 * "I can't now see the article": that's why I listed the sources you included here. Please make sure that with such claims (if they even need to be included, allegations without convictions usually aren't even included) you not only include the source but make it clear which source supports the allegation, instead of dropping a number of sources at the end and let readers go on a wild goose chase for the right one. Fram (talk) 11:10, 5 March 2019 (UTC)
 * As I recall there was a ref after that bit. You could have dropped me a note. This wasn't a wild allegation on social media. This was from the UN and reported by The Times. Are you going to reinstate it, with or without that point? Philafrenzy (talk) 11:14, 5 March 2019 (UTC)
 * All the refs were after that bit. Fram (talk) 12:25, 5 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I am going to expand saying the command he had without referring to the human rights offences alleged by the UN. Others, however, may add that as he is one of the most well-known men in Sri Lanka and a highly controversial figure there and abroad with respect to the treatment of the Tamils. Philafrenzy (talk) 12:35, 5 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Here is a real attack page (nominated for deletion by me): Curse of Aaron Ramsey. Philafrenzy (talk) 12:35, 5 March 2019 (UTC)

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DYK for Philip Hugh-Jones
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DYK for Frederick Hackwood
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DYK for The 'Finger-Assisted' Nephrectomy of Professor Nadey Hakim
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A kitten for you!
I couldn't find an ape, so kitten for you. Thank you for Karen (orangutan).

Whispyhistory (talk) 09:13, 10 March 2019 (UTC) 
 * Thank you, they both have fur and like getting stuck up trees. Philafrenzy (talk) 09:15, 10 March 2019 (UTC)
 * There is a category History of surgery but no sub-category History of cardiac surgery. I can easily think of candidates for it. You have created many of them. Philafrenzy (talk) 09:24, 10 March 2019 (UTC)
 * ok...I have also been looking at the other orangutan articles eg Ken Allen. I wonder if there enough articles to go into a category of San Diego Zoo animals. Whispyhistory (talk) 09:29, 10 March 2019 (UTC)
 * I noticed. I would suggest starting just with the zoo category. P.S. the image will be deleted because she is alive. I thought from "survived 25 years" that you meant now dead. Philafrenzy (talk) 09:34, 10 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Great work again, both of you. We need more articles on individual animals, and orangutans are some of the most "individual". I remember we enjoyed doing Tibs the Great, who was once a kitten. Edwardx (talk) 09:56, 10 March 2019 (UTC)
 * They grow up so fast. Philafrenzy (talk) 09:57, 10 March 2019 (UTC)

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Karen

 * Hello..Are you and able to assist with Karen please? Whispyhistory (talk) 15:04, 9 March 2019 (UTC)
 * I will swing by later. Philafrenzy (talk) 19:52, 9 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you Kindly Whispyhistory (talk) 21:35, 9 March 2019 (UTC)
 * The background of Karta (the mother) should maybe go elsewhere or be clearer. What do you think? Whispyhistory (talk) 09:03, 10 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Moved. Philafrenzy (talk) 09:08, 10 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Could you monkey around with the second para of the lead? Philafrenzy (talk) 09:15, 10 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Last orangutan Karta (orangutan). She is famous for being loved by those around her. Is that ok? Whispyhistory (talk) 18:56, 10 March 2019 (UTC)
 * If you mean as a hook, I would go with disabling the electrical fence in an escape attempt (if that is what it was). P.S. apes can't be "advocates" of anything. Philafrenzy (talk) 19:12, 10 March 2019 (UTC)
 * ok...I was thinking of the first/sencond sentences of lead. Whispyhistory (talk) 19:20, 10 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Not sure about being "famous" for it but you can say it if there are sources. I would probably go with something like "regarded with great affection by her keepers". Philafrenzy (talk) 19:30, 10 March 2019 (UTC)

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Proposed deletion of John Murray (professor)


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DYK for Ram Nath Chawla
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DYK for Edward Chauncey Luard
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DYK for Party piece
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DYK for Raymond Butt
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Liam Brennan
Okay I was looking over the shortest BLP's. One you made, Liam Brennan says he is the president of something, but I can't see his name on the link. Should the ref be changed or something? (I can't put dead link since it isn't a dead one.) Just something to look over. Wgolf (talk) 04:16, 16 March 2019 (UTC)


 * His name is on the website if you type it in search, but I have added a little more information and a few reliable sources. Thanks Whispyhistory (talk) 05:49, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I suspect they drop off that page when their term ends as his did in September 2018. The new president is Ravi Mahajan. Philafrenzy (talk) 10:17, 16 March 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Plantation Peter's Hall
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DYK for Karen (orangutan)
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Template:Did you know nominations/Harry Lindblad
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Some bubble tea for you!

 * Thank you, very refreshing. We are all helping when we don't have to, and you are helping a great deal too. Philafrenzy (talk) 18:06, 18 March 2019 (UTC)
 * 😉Whispyhistory (talk) 18:07, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

Nomination of Lisa Littman for deletion
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karta

 * Please check over Karen's mother..orangutan Karta. DYK if think appropriate. The relationship with Pusung etc is lacking. Whispyhistory (talk) 21:43, 15 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes, how did they meet? Tinder? Introduced at a cocktail party? We need to know. Philafrenzy (talk) 11:40, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you...Whispyhistory (talk) 06:39, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
 * It was probably an arranged marriage. Philafrenzy (talk) 07:46, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Perfect couple it appears...You did a good job. Whispyhistory (talk) 17:18, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Kluet maybe notable Whispyhistory (talk) 10:27, 19 March 2019 (UTC)
 * He might if you can find a bit more. Philafrenzy (talk) 10:38, 19 March 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Thomas Ridpath
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Paris Convention 1910

 * Hi..please alter dyk as appropriate..I couldn't think of a good hook. Whispyhistory (talk) 18:05, 18 March 2019 (UTC)
 * I will look. Philafrenzy (talk) 08:49, 19 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Not sure we have the right English name yet. Is it a convention or a conference? The only name we can be sure of is the French version, site of the event and French being the language of diplomacy at that time. Philafrenzy (talk) 11:06, 19 March 2019 (UTC)
 * you're right. I started with and then didn't notice. Whispyhistory (talk) 06:51, 20 March 2019 (UTC)
 * And a convention where people meet (same as a conference) is not the same as a convention in the legal sense (a legal agreement between nations). Philafrenzy (talk) 08:19, 20 March 2019 (UTC)

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Journal of Air Law and Commerce

 * Some of the red links have articles in foreign languages. Fagg taught on the early conventions/conferences eg 1910 Paris conference. He would have talked about the balloons crossing borders probably. I'll check more later. The journal looked uninteresting at first, but there appears more to it. Whispyhistory (talk) 13:18, 20 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes, thank you for your expansion. Maybe in Sand. Philafrenzy (talk) 13:19, 20 March 2019 (UTC)
 * I am not sure that the conference article yet states clearly what they agreed and disagreed about. Philafrenzy (talk) 13:34, 20 March 2019 (UTC)
 * I'm looking now...I guess the answer is in Cooper's article. Whispyhistory (talk) 17:20, 20 March 2019 (UTC)
 * p.30 Sand...I'm lost to summarise it Whispyhistory (talk) 19:16, 20 March 2019 (UTC)

DYK for William Thorne (philatelist)
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