User talk:Philafrenzy/Archive 6

DYK for Mozart Distillerie
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:02, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Wolseley Haig
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:03, 14 June 2014 (UTC)

Possible GAN of interest
Hi Philafrenzy,

I've had Epaulettes (stamp) up for GAN since February and have been unable to find a reviewer. I know this is not you area of interest specifically, but I don't suppose I could ask you to consider doing it as one of the few active contributors to WP:Stamps? The article itself should be in pretty good shape and it shouldn't be too big a job. Let me know what you think! I'd certainly be extremely grateful! All best, Brigade Piron (talk) 16:56, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks for asking. My concern is that the sources are mostly not in English, which is the only language I have, so I don't know how I could do it properly. Even if they were in English, I note that the article relies very heavily on an 1880 Moens catalogue. This might still be good but I would really prefer a more modern source as the main reference with Moens only for those things not in the modern source. Is that possible? Philafrenzy (talk) 01:18, 14 June 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Burlington Gardens
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Pat McDonagh
Hope you're okay with my hook for Pat McDonagh. Basically roping in as many A-listers as I can to create fame (and hits) by association. You are, of course, most welcome to suggest ALTs. Edwardx (talk) 17:06, 14 June 2014 (UTC)
 * How could you miss out Emma Peel's leather catsuit? I just don't know what to say. Philafrenzy (talk) 18:27, 14 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Thank you for addressing my shocking oversight with your ALT1. Edwardx (talk) 19:03, 14 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Pity there's no free image of that. Now that would be a DYK for the hall of fame. Philafrenzy (talk) 19:09, 14 June 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Rupert Lycett Green
Materialscientist (talk) 21:52, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

DYK for The Indian Antiquary
Materialscientist (talk) 21:52, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

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DYK for Thea Porter
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Rupert Lycett Green suit photo
Deletion does seem a bit harsh. You have more experience in this area - would it be worth the effort to appeal? Otherwise, the relevant part of Rupert Lycett Green will need to be rewritten a bit. Edwardx (talk) 12:47, 19 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I agree. I thought it would survive. It is the contextual significance. I will have a look at it. Easier just to rewrite and re-upload possibly. Philafrenzy (talk) 13:06, 19 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Thank you kindly. I thought I had addressed the contextual significance - apparently not. On the plus side, at least it was in the article whilst the DYK was on the front page. Edwardx (talk) 14:21, 19 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I thought you had too. I think that is not the first time things go on the front page and then get deleted. Wasn't there a map? Philafrenzy (talk) 14:24, 19 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes, but the map for Eric Walker seemed to me that it would be too hard a fight. Edwardx (talk) 15:08, 19 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Walker didn't draw the map, but the suit should definitely be in there like a painting from an artist. Will look into. Philafrenzy (talk) 15:15, 19 June 2014 (UTC)
 * The artist/painting comparison seems very apt. Edwardx (talk) 18:20, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

Edward Hatton (surveyor)
Thanks for addressing the concerns raised about Edward Hatton (surveyor). I've answered those about Thea Porter, even though it looks like the hook has already run, as the article has had 596 hits today. But, it is still there in T:tdyk, so maybe it was pulled and will run again... By the way, Swan & Edgar, Marylebone had over 5,000 when on the front page. Edwardx (talk) 11:35, 21 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Congratulations, 5000 is quite a lot and an interesting article. It had escaped my notice. I am a bit tied up with other things right now but Armand Point is a possible with some nice free images. Philafrenzy (talk) 11:39, 21 June 2014 (UTC)
 * And a decapitated head of Emile Zola. Philafrenzy (talk) 14:16, 21 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I've added Armand to my DYK-to-do list. Edwardx (talk) 18:29, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Richard Burn (Indologist)
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Konig's Westphalian Gin
Looks like the Template:Did you know nominations/Konig's Westphalian Gin nomination did not succeed. Oh well, at least the article itself survived AfD! Edwardx (talk) 16:45, 24 June 2014 (UTC)
 * It was closed by the same person who AFD'd it. Draw your own conclusions. Not bothered about the DYK though. Plenty more where that came from. Philafrenzy (talk) 18:05, 24 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Sounds like a bit of a WP:COI to me. Nonethless, I agree with you strongly - we could spend/waste a lot more time trying to get it through, time better spent in creating more DYK-worthy articles. Edwardx (talk) 18:16, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

Chiltern Firehouse
Formerly Marylebone Fire Station. I've put you down as one of four co-authors, but you might consider doing a bit more to justify this! This could be a well-visited one. Edwardx (talk) 17:51, 24 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Will do. Philafrenzy (talk) 18:05, 24 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Seems to have been turned into an advert. I will tone it down a bit. Philafrenzy (talk) 18:34, 24 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Hi Philafrenzy. I have absolutely no problem with you editing down advert-y bits; this is my first time editing a restaurant or similar, so I'm not entirely au fait with how much fluff is appropriate. However, I have two quibbles. My first is the celebrity patronage section. Cutting out the large list of celebrities is basically fine by me (although perhaps restrict it only to big hitters like Clinton, Blair, Fry, Spacey etc?), but I do think more needs to be said about the A-list exclusivity aspect - the odd booking procedures, the VVVIP room, the waiting list for the waiting list, etc - since this is the basis for half the serious, newspaper-y coverage the place has received. My second quibble is that I would have thought a little more needs to be included in the chef and cuisine section about the CF's current cuisine. At present we have plenty of info on Mendes' previous establishments, but, perversely, no real indication of what he's actually cooking now. Thanks! JamKaftan (talk) 19:17, 24 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Put some of it back in if you like. Not too much (or any puff) please. Not the booking number. Remember that this is an encyclopedia not a restaurant guide, Time Out or anything similar. Ask yourself what will still seem important in 5 or 10 years. Good luck. Philafrenzy (talk) 19:23, 24 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Seems OK now, apart from the reviews which don't really add anything encyclopaedic and which I removed. Philafrenzy (talk) 22:22, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

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BNA Access
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André Mellerio
I really struggled to find much interesting about André Mellerio's life for a hook, so used something about the family firm instead. You're more than welcome to try an ALT1. Edwardx (talk) 23:12, 25 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Without a big expansion I can't see any obvious alternative so that makes sense. I predict problems phrasing the DYK to make clear which family we are talking about since the picture shows his immediate family only. Also "Pictured, left" when the pic is on the right? Philafrenzy (talk) 23:16, 25 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Good points. It may need tweaking. I'll do a QPQ review tomorrow and think about it futher then. Edwardx (talk) 23:24, 25 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks for adding Musée d'Orsay. I forgot to check where the painting was. At least he didn't go to Eton. Philafrenzy (talk) 23:26, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Clifford Street
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Prawn cocktail offensive?
I see that we suddenly have a whole new hook, and that it has been promoted to the queue, T:DYK/Q. Not sure how that happened. I've always thought that the sauce was pink, and that in North America it would be called a shrimp cocktail. As they might say across the pond, go figure! On the plus side, it is currently the lead hook in a set, complete with sauce-free photo. Edwardx (talk) 19:21, 27 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I noticed. And the least interesting possible hook was selected too after I suggested two possible alternatives. The new use for cocktail glasses during prohibition could have been a really interesting hook. Never mind. Philafrenzy (talk) 20:11, 27 June 2014 (UTC)
 * By the way, I notice that recent ones have dropped to about 500 views from 2000 typically before the World Cup. Philafrenzy (talk) 20:17, 27 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Summer could be a factor too. Perhaps we should consider upgrading one of our DYKs to GA and then FA for ssome variety - have you done any of those before? Edwardx (talk) 20:55, 27 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Maybe, it depends how bureaucratic the process is. I don't want to spend a lot of time arguing with people about content, I would rather create more articles, but I am prepared to give it a go. Philafrenzy (talk) 23:40, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

Bear's grease
Early days, but I'd like to do Bear's grease as a DYK. Edwardx (talk) 23:51, 27 June 2014 (UTC)
 * And why not? I hope you are not suggesting that there is any special reason why I should be interested in it. Philafrenzy (talk) 23:54, 27 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I was thinking more of you helping bear's grease, rather than vice versa. If it really did work, I'd be using it myself. Edwardx (talk) 23:59, 27 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't help bears grease if you paid me. They can grease themselves if they want to. Philafrenzy (talk) 00:04, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Prawn cocktail
Gatoclass (talk) 00:02, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Pat McDonagh (fashion designer)
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DYK nomination of Great British Meal
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DYK for Edward Hatton (surveyor)
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DYK for Armand Point
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DYK for Charles Gauthier
Gatoclass (talk) 02:28, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

OPENPARA
Hi there - Armand Point was a mistake, I try to always re-locate the places of birth/death, so I apoligise for that. The reason I did not re-locate them on Charles Gauthier was because they were unreferenced. GiantSnowman 11:40, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
 * OK, by unreferenced I think you mean that they did not have an inline cite right next to them but there are a lot of other references in the article including one from Oxford at the end of the relevant sentence. Better I would have thought to leave well alone, despite it being contrary to the MOS, than to delete? - First do no harm. Philafrenzy (talk) 11:49, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Dave Goulson
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DYK nomination of New Burlington Street
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DYK for Prawn cocktail, steak and Black Forest gateau
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DYK for Oedipus and the Sphinx
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DYK for New Burlington Street
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New articles
Three more 1960s London characters (even used your Keef book for one), that I'll be putting up for DYK: Freddie Hornik, John Crittle and David Litvinoff. As always, any and all assistance appreciated. Edwardx (talk) 22:24, 5 July 2014 (UTC)
 * I noticed one. Will try to assist. Are you going to skip the three other possibles I mentioned? It's OK if you want to on grounds of either good taste or not being interesting enough. Philafrenzy (talk) 22:27, 5 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Timely reminder. I've added all three to my list. Milo Moiré deadline tomorrow! Edwardx (talk) 22:58, 5 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Leave it if it's too strong for you! We don't want any funny looks in the checkout at Waitrose do we? If you do it, just use a boring hook or it won't get past the censors. Herriman is a bit short if you exclude the quote. Armstrong can be expanded quite a bit. I have a long article on glass and there is the bio. Also Gaston de Pawlowski is very interesting - really prophetic SciFi and more. Philafrenzy (talk) 23:17, 5 July 2014 (UTC)
 * I like the look of: DYK that Milo Moiré's art has been called "absurd, gratuitous, trite and desperate". Clickable, yet censor-safe. Gaston looks promising. Edwardx (talk) 23:34, 5 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Good thinking, indeed highly clickable. Pity there is nothing to see when you get there. I considered a fair use image for the article but was unable to find an acceptable one for obvious reasons. Philafrenzy (talk) 23:41, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Dave Goulson
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DYK for Sergent Blandan
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BNA Email, please respond
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 * Done. Sorry for the delay. Philafrenzy (talk) 23:04, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

William H. Herriman
I'm struggling to think of an interesting hook for William H. Herriman. Any ideas? Edwardx (talk) 22:34, 7 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Maybe something about his donations to the Brooklyn Museum/Metropolitan and his sister endowed the first skyscraper hospital? Edwardx (talk) 22:36, 7 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Done, as outlined above. I like the "skyscraper hospital" bit. ALTs are of course most welcome. Edwardx (talk) 22:54, 7 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes, good but not about him. Non-Catholic Cemetery was something interesting I thought as it includes all religions. Philafrenzy (talk) 22:56, 7 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Possibly a better idea. For now, I've added Keats and Shelley, but dropped the "along side", as I've no idea how close they are. Edwardx (talk) 23:12, 7 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Are we talking spiritually or physically? Philafrenzy (talk) 23:21, 7 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Probably both. All we really know about Herriman is that he had money. Edwardx (talk) 23:33, 7 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Congratulations on establishing where he got his money from. I knew he had it, obviously, but there is a curious lack of biographical information about him. I guess we are just looking in the wrong places. You would think the museums would at least write him up a bit. Philafrenzy (talk) 23:40, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

Barbican streets
When I was in the WMUK offices a week ago, the idea of improving our coverage of the streets around the Barbican Centre in advance of Wikimania came up. I've just started Chiswell Street and Silk Street, London (there is already an imposter in Peking). Any chance of adding some of your excellent map screen shots? I'll probably work my way towards Smithfield, as that is the most likely route for a Wikimania Fringe pubcrawl... Edwardx (talk) 15:16, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
 * I will take a look. I have a book on City of L streets too. Philafrenzy (talk) 15:21, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Is there any subject you don't have a book on? Edwardx (talk) 15:43, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Well I have just today sent one to the Historical Archives of the European Union at Villa Salviati that they evidently didn't have - so possibly not. Philafrenzy (talk) 17:08, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

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Freddie Hornik
Thanks - coming along nicely. Did you know that there was a Granny Takes A Trip stamp in 2012, but it is a 1967 design, so before Hornik's time. Can we use modern stamp images anyway? Great Jeff Dexter photo, by the way! Edwardx (talk) 00:53, 11 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes, brilliant photo. They must have known his age based on that look. Nice stamps the set, but all copyright unfortunately. We can use out of copyright and from countries where they have no copyright on stamps and fair use if we can justify it. Probably not here. Philafrenzy (talk) 01:04, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

DYK for André Mellerio
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DYK for Chiltern Firehouse
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David Litvinoff
For David Litvinoff, there are many hook possibilities. How about "that David Litvinoff is the subject of Lucian Freud's Man in a Headscarf, originally The Procurer, as he obtained boys for Ronnie Kray?" And could we add an image of the painting to the article? Edwardx (talk) 11:04, 11 July 2014 (UTC)
 * I am just about to add the image. Note that neither will be free. I will think about the hook. Not sure about the boys bit. Philafrenzy (talk) 11:16, 11 July 2014 (UTC)
 * DYK that David Litvinoff was described as "the court jester to the rich, smart Chelsea set of the sixties" and knew the Kray Twins and the Rolling Stones? There is a strong resemblance to Litvinoff in the picture I think though the supposed date of 1954 raises a doubt. As for how hard he was, to my mind no true villain rides a bicycle. Philafrenzy (talk) 11:30, 11 July 2014 (UTC)
 * But for an edit conflict, I was going to write: Indeed, so not suitable for a front page photo hook. Yes, "boys" could be problematic. Perhaps, "... as he worked as a pimp for Ronnie Kray?" I will offer and ALT or two. We've had several hooks linking to Jagger and/or the Stones, and I'm not sure that they increase clicks. Edwardx (talk) 11:37, 11 July 2014 (UTC)
 * I am not sure all that is proved strongly enough for the front page, that's why I stated it as "John Pearson writes" in the article. I would stick to something that can be proved or is non contentious. Philafrenzy (talk) 11:41, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Homage to Cézanne
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