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Welcome!
&#915;&#949;&#953;&#945; &#963;&#959;&#965; &#966;&#943;&#955;&#949;. This is the English wikipedia, so I'm going to speak English from now on. I'd like to welcome you here and suggest that you may add yourself to the list of Greek wikipedians. Etz Haim 13:02, 3 Oct 2004 (UTC)


 * Thank you for the suggestion, I went ahead and did it. I only just now figured out how to respond to your message - I hope you'll see my response... &#954;&#945;&#953; &#963;'&#949;&#965;&#967;&#945;&#961;&#953;&#963;&#964;&#969; &#947;&#953;&#945; &#964;&#951;&#957; &#946;&#959;&#951;&#952;&#949;&#953;&#945; Philaleth 23:21, 4 Oct 2004 (UTC)

&#934;&#943;&#955;&#949; &#956;&#959;&#965;, that "Macedonia has always been Greek but later there were barbaric tribes that came and laid various claims to it" statement is VMORO's forged provocazzia. VMORO took a rather indifferent statement from the main body of the article, malformed it and stretched it to the extreme to make it appear as a grave insult to him and the Slavs. Then he went on protesting about it. Don't bite his bait and offer him a pretext to continue his arsonous rhetory against Greece. Etz Haim 22:54, 5 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Also, there are a lot of other subjects here on Wikipedia about Greece and the Greeks that don't have proper coverage, in the sense that a very small fraction of the Greek culture and history is presented here. Displaying our rich heritage is a very meaningful way to answer any polemic or prejudice. It's also much more creative and rewarding as an experience than these consuming arguments that won't resolve any soon. Etz Haim 23:09, 5 Oct 2004 (UTC)


 * &#917;&#967;&#949;&#953;&#962; &#948;&#953;&#954;&#953;&#959;. I don't intend to lose much time over this. I have very little time in my life that's not already spoken for... I have noticed that most of the history regarding Greece in here has been weitten by non-Greeks. Whereas that per se is not a problem, it seems that they are not vigilant enough about the bias of what they present. It is an inevitable fact of writing history that (unless one is a master) a perspective ...kreeps in. The only way to actually write objective history is to simultaneously present multiple points of view (because they all introduce particular facts with particular emphasis) and this is not possible here. What is happening here is the "consensus". Which is hardly ever the truth unless you have all parties with any knowledge of the circumstances in question and all of them given appropriate (not equal) weight as their contribution merits. For example: There's a protest in DC against the war in Iraq. The protesters claim 500,000 attendance and the government claim 150,000. The police will claim more or less according to what their salary levels are and when the next negotiations for contracts are coming and who the mayor is... Each of these claims has to be given different weights and all must be weighed to arrive at the fact - that there were probably 200,000 active protesters and 100,000 others who came to see what it looks like.
 * And that's now, with reporters and helicopters and statisticians and all sorts of monitoring and self-regulating...
 * To leave the recounting of history to one side, any one side, without that side having at least the fear of criticism from the other, leads to ...stories, not history. Add to that the fact that Tito corralled a lot of people and put them where they didn't want to be and then abandoned them and then some of them found themselves floundering, trying to be... something... For the most part those people wouldn't give a shit. It's the politicians that can derive power that infuse them with pseudo-nationalism and fund a propaganda machine that is meant to create a "history" for them. Who knows why. Who knows where they got their funding. Who cares. I can't accurately and with proper weight represent the Greek side of the facts here, but I can at least put VMORO (whose handle sounds a bit too much like the VMRO) and his likes on notice that they will not be allowed to run roughshod over history. &#916;&#965;&#963;&#964;&#965;&#967;&#969;&#962; &#948;&#949;&#957; &#949;&#967;&#969; &#964;&#951;&#957; &#969;&#961;&#945; &#957;&#945; &#945;&#963;&#967;&#959;&#955;&#951;&#952;&#969; &#956;&#949; &#964;&#959; &#945;&#957; &#964;&#959; Wikipedia &#952;&#945; &#949;&#953;&#957;&#945;&#953; &#945;&#958;&#953;&#959;&#960;&#953;&#963;&#964;&#951; &#960;&#951;&#947;&#951; &#960;&#955;&#951;&#961;&#959;&#966;&#959;&#961;&#951;&#963;&#949;&#969;&#962; &#951; &#959;&#967;&#953;... &#945;&#955;&#955;&#945; &#964;&#959;&#965;&#955;&#945;&#967;&#953;&#963;&#964;&#959;&#957; &#956;&#960;&#959;&#961;&#969; &#957;&#945; &#960;&#961;&#959;&#963;&#960;&#945;&#952;&#951;&#963;&#969; &#957;&#945; &#960;&#961;&#959;&#963;&#949;&#955;&#954;&#965;&#963;&#969; &#960;&#961;&#959;&#963;&#959;&#967;&#951; &#963;&#949; &#964;&#965;&#967;&#959;&#957; &#945;&#957;&#945;&#954;&#961;&#953;&#946;&#949;&#953;&#949;&#962; &#947;&#953;&#945; &#964;&#951;&#957; &#917;&#955;&#955;&#945;&#948;&#945;... &#922;&#945;&#957;&#959;&#957;&#953;&#954;&#945; &#949;&#953;&#956;&#945;&#953; &#960;&#961;&#945;&#959;&#962; &#954;&#945;&#953; &#966;&#953;&#955;&#953;&#954;&#959;&#962; &#956;&#949; &#959;&#955;&#959;&#965;&#962;, &#954;&#945;&#953; &#948;&#949;&#957; &#949;&#967;&#969; &#964;&#953;&#960;&#959;&#964;&#945; &#949;&#957;&#945;&#957;&#964;&#953;&#969;&#957; &#964;&#969;&#957; &#931;&#955;&#945;&#946;&#969;&#957;: &#949;&#957;&#945;&#962; &#945;&#960;'&#964;&#959;&#965;&#962; &#954;&#945;&#955;&#965;&#964;&#949;&#961;&#959;&#965;&#962; &#966;&#953;&#955;&#959;&#965;&#962; &#956;&#959;&#965; &#949;&#953;&#957;&#945;&#953; &#922;&#961;&#959;&#945;&#964;&#951;&#962; &#954;&#945;&#953; &#948;&#959;&#965;&#955;&#949;&#965;&#969; &#949;&#948;&#969; &#954;&#945;&#953; &#967;&#961;&#959;&#957;&#953;&#945; &#956;&#949; &#929;&#969;&#963;&#963;&#959;&#965;&#962; &#963;&#964;&#951; &#925;&#949;&#945; &#933;&#959;&#961;&#954;&#951; &#954;&#945;&#953; &#964;&#951;&#957; &#929;&#969;&#963;&#963;&#953;&#945;. &#913;&#955;&#955;&#945; &#963;&#949; &#945;&#965;&#964;&#959; &#964;&#959; &#952;&#949;&#956;&#945; &#960;&#961;&#959;&#963;&#960;&#945;&#952;&#969; &#957;&#945; &#954;&#945;&#957;&#969; &#964;&#959;&#957; &#963;&#954;&#955;&#951;&#961;&#959;&#960;&#965;&#961;&#951;&#957;&#953;&#954;&#959; &#954;&#945;&#953; &#964;&#959;&#957; &#945;&#947;&#961;&#953;&#959;.... &#924;&#951;&#957; &#963;&#949; &#945;&#960;&#945;&#963;&#967;&#959;&#955;&#949;&#953;, &#963;&#965;&#957;&#949;&#967;&#953;&#963;&#949; &#964;&#951;&#957; &#960;&#959;&#961;&#949;&#953;&#945; &#963;&#959;&#965; &#954;&#945;&#953; &#945;&#957; &#967;&#961;&#949;&#953;&#945;&#963;&#964;&#949;&#953; &#966;&#949;&#961;&#949; &#945;&#957;&#964;&#953;&#952;&#949;&#963;&#951; &#963;&#949; &#956;&#949;&#957;&#945; &#954;&#945;&#953; &#963;&#964;&#951;&#957; &#964;&#945;&#954;&#964;&#953;&#954;&#951; &#956;&#959;&#965;. &#917;&#964;&#963;&#953; &#952;&#945; &#948;&#949;&#967;&#959;&#957;&#964;&#945;&#953; &#960;&#945;&#957;&#964;&#945; &#964;&#953;&#962; &#945;&#960;&#959;&#968;&#949;&#953;&#962; &#963;&#959;&#965; &#963;&#945;&#957; &#963;&#965;&#956;&#946;&#953;&#946;&#945;&#963;&#956;&#959;&#965;&#962; &#956;&#949;&#964;&#945;&#958;&#965; &#964;&#969;&#957; &#917;&#955;&#955;&#951;&#957;&#969;&#957; &#963;&#954;&#955;&#951;&#961;&#959;&#960;&#965;&#961;&#951;&#957;&#953;&#954;&#969;&#957; &#954;&#945;&#953; &#964;&#969;&#957; FYROM&#953;&#945;&#957;&#969;&#957;. Philaleth 03:12, 6 Oct 2004 (UTC)


 * Etz - something else: My mother was from Konstantinoupoli. So is my father's second wife. I am much more interested in setting up an article here about the Holocaust in Asia Minor. I think that the slaughter of all the Greeks Jews and Armenians in 1922, while the whole world watched and turned a blind eye so they can get Turkey's oil, must not be forgotten. Philaleth 03:12, 6 Oct 2004 (UTC)

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FYROM
Hi. There shall shortly be another debate on the naming of the FYROM/ROM article. I shall also advertise this on Wikipedia announcements. The debate will focus on whether an article should be named based upon international consensus, or based upon a countries internal name (or propaganda). Should the latter be chosen, the question that should be asked is: what happens if more than one nation wants to refer to itself my the same name? I would personally suggest that the only workable solution is the former, as the latter would be a recipie for POV wars. What do you think? --Rebroad 22:16, 22 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I also would question ChrisO's motives for his edits, and admin actions. --Rebroad 22:16, 22 Dec 2004 (UTC)

FYROM
Hi. There shall shortly be another debate on the naming of the FYROM/ROM article. I shall also advertise this on Wikipedia announcements. The debate will focus on whether an article should be named based upon international consensus, or based upon a countries internal name (or propaganda). Should the latter be chosen, the question that should be asked is: what happens if more than one nation wants to refer to itself my the same name? I would personally suggest that the only workable solution is the former, as the latter would be a recipie for POV wars. What do you think? --Rebroad 22:18, 22 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I also would question ChrisO's motives for his edits, and admin actions. --Rebroad 22:18, 22 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Literature Collaboration of the Week
Patrida, I'm rallying up support for Alexandros Papadiamantis in Literature Collaboration of the Week. So, go vote! :D

Project2501a 16:28, 5 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Need Help
The article vanavsos is up for deletion. Can you please help in this regard. Second, I am having difficulty with Wikinfo:Classical definition of republic and am having trouble on Talk:Republic because they won't allow an external link. It was deleted off of Wikipedia, and I believe it needs to come back on. A serious mistake in deleting this article. Thanks for your time.WHEELER 18:30, 8 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Poll (Macedonian Slav or Macedonian)
I hope that this message is of interest to you, if not please accept my apologies. There is a poll in the talk page of the 'Macedonian Slavs' article here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Macedonian_Slavs#The_poll

Some people are lobbying for changing the article's name to Macedonians without any qualifier. As it seems, a number of these people come from the Macedonian/Macedonian Slav wikipedia project. It seemed only fair to attract the attention of people possibly from the other side of the story. Your contributions to the discussion and the poll are welcomed.

Wikipedians in Greece
Hi, I understand that you are either Greek Wikipedian or a Wikipedian living in/with an interest in Greece.

The category page Wikipedians/Greece has been replaced with Category:Wikipedians in Greece but your name still appears on the old list. You might considering moving it. You might also consider adding adding Template:Greekwiki to your user page.

A Greek Wikipedians' notice board has been in existence for some time but is terribly underutilised. It would certainly benefit from your involvement.--Damac 12:24, 23 November 2005 (UTC)