User talk:Philc 0780/Archive 2

Templates and
I don't know why because the code is fine but the flags are not showing up on the templates you repeatedly edit. Here is a screenshot as proof. So if you can make these work, the changes can remanin. But until then, I will revert them to there original state. Thank you. Philc TECI 14:33, 21 June 2006 (UTC)


 * I really don't understand what the problem is here. The flag shows up fine on my computer. Maybe it's your browser? Dan1980 21:15, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Penwith Wikiproject
This is the most ultra specific project I've ever come across, how do these things work other than everyone just collaborating on the article.


 * I'm not sure what you mean – you use article in the singular, do you think that the project only covers the article on Penwith?!! That would be ultra-specific! The project covers everything to do with with places in the district, so that includes an article on every parish, town and village of note, as well as other places like the Minack Theatre and stone monuments like the The Merry Maidens so there is quite a lot of scope.   When we started there was mostly a single line or nothing on most of these pages.  its looking a bit more fleshed out now, but there is still lots to do!  If you feel like helping out, take a look at the taskspage and feel free to pick something that needs doing or if you're more motivated and want to contribute more regularly then add your name to the Participants page have fun editing Mammal4 09:39, 22 June 2006

Message from Claude
This is Claude A. R. Kagan until I can figure out how to get a shorter nickname. I hope this is the way to thanks you. I appreaciate your comment which I figured was the way to ask questions of this operation is to look bgack where you asked the question. I was right in that guess. I will not experiment with larger letters while in here. I looked over your stuff real pretty. Iwish I could write HTML that well. Iam in to forerunner of HTML, namely sam76 language which comnbines power of html with java but does not have the myriad of graphic capabilities of html. I think a sam76 languavge plugin could be a great advdition since you do not compile it, unlike Java. The trick is to add to html the capability to have a way of piping sam76 language script through the plugin. For instance the following is a simple sam76 expression which causes the multiplication of two numbers which if piped in to the sam76 plugin will then cause output stream of the result back into html: %mu,1234,99999/ multiplies the preceding two numbers. sam76 has about 350 primitives etc etc. In any event my mind is too old to do the foregoing. You can get a copy of the language from RESISTORS.ORG, or send me an email, cark@comcast.net and I will send you a disk and a copy of the original manual written by a bunch of kids about 35 years ago. Thanks again for helping an old visionary. Claude(UTC)

(Claude A. R. Kagan 11:45, 25 June 2006 (UTC)) I am guessing as to how one answers. Shyould it be at end of this placewhere I found myself when I clicked on your link in your previous comments to me. I apreciate all of your comments, first: Low vision means basically LOW RESOLUTION. Since the macula handles the high res and is dead, I can only see via the retina. Color is fine Larger type helps but it is not only size, it is alos thickness of type face taht matters Thick type face with clear white spaces are helpful. I usually have to 8X magnifier to read but this goes pretty fast if type is about 20 point. I use READINGBAR on the browser when I am on the internet. If I can copy and paste then I use READPLEASE to lisgten gto the material. I can also casue an MP2 sound file to be created at the same time. I have the ATT natural voices, American English and French both male and female. They have a whole variety of additional lnaguages but I did not find ESPERANTO which I would think is what you call ESPERANZA? Perhaps ATT natural language could add that to their catalog as part of your project then people could listen to your talk. I will rework the sam76 stuff. No it is not polish reverse or otherwise. It is natural conversational sequence. The scanning of nested expressions goes from right to left, inside out bjut embedded expressions are picked up as the scanner goes from left to right. eg: %di,%mu,999,3/,7,infinity/ is naturally spoken as follows: divide the number resulting by multiplying 999 by 3 dividing by 1 and if the result is 0, or the null string the the word infinity is the output. Of course the wsord infinity could be an expression that would transfer tyou sto some other activity, or if you omit it then you are likely to burn out your CPU. Like I said I would be most happy to send you a copy of the manual. It is a delightful book written by teens and illustrated by a kid from the ineer city who did not dig computers and illustrated what he understood the other children were saying. The book has not been PDFed, yet, ...l Let me know if this is not the place to send my messages to you Claude. I am not going to check this for typos. To do that I hav e to copy and paste into a wordpad file, edit that and then put the result back here. 73

A short Esperanzial update
As you may have gathered, discussions have been raging for about a week on the Esperanza talk page as to the future direction of Esperanza. Some of these are still ongoing and warrant more input (such as the idea to scrap the members list altogether). However, some decisions have been made and the charter has hence been amended. [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AEsperanza%2FCharter&diff=59977509&oldid=52572171 See what happened]. Basically, the whole leadership has had a reshuffle, so please review the new, improved charter.

As a result, we are electing 4 people this month. They will replace JoanneB and Pschemp and form a new tranche A, serving until December. Elections will begin on 2006-07-02 and last until 2006-07-09. If you wish to run for a Council position, add your name to the list before 2006-07-02. For more details, see Esperanza/June 2006 elections.

Thanks and kind, Esperanzial regards, —Cel es tianpower háblame 16:00, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

Admin coaching
As you removed your message I guess you probably noticed you are still on the list :) Sorry about the wait, but there isn't much that can be done about that unless more admins sign up as coaches. Petros471 21:04, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
 * While you are waiting you might find this guide useful. Petros471 21:06, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

Protecting articles
Hi Phil! It looks like you've been busy since we last talked. You might drop a note requesting semi-protection (that's the level where registered users can edit, but anons can't) at WP:PROTECT. I'm actually a little reluctant to protect it, in spite of the vandalism. Many users will visit Wikipedia for the first time to read this article, and it may well be where they give editing their first try. What might be better is if you leave a note at the village pump, asking other users to add the FIFA article to their watchlists because of sporadic but ongoing vandalism. That will take some of the weight off your shoulders, and place more eyes on a high profile article. Joyous! | Talk 18:40, 24 June 2006 (UTC)


 * I would leave a note on the assistance page, or miscellaneous page. It must be really tough trying to get something to FA status while the event itself is ongoing. When is the World Cup over? I bet things will calm down then. Joyous! | Talk 22:21, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

User:AnnaKucsma/Geography/France
I had to first delete the subpage that was there. Circeus 01:00, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Additions to Football Manager 2006
Regarding your recent [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Football_Manager_2006&curid=2760063&diff=60661044&oldid=58647259 edit] to the above named article, does it really matter if a site has been hacked and is currently unavailable?

No, not really. Quite simply, it's not worth the time and effort to put right again if/when the site is restored. If this were the case, then there would be hourly edits to the sortitoutsi.net entry. This edit has now been reverted.

Feel free to make contributions to Wikipedia but limit them to worthy edits, please.--Dan (Talk) 17:27, 26 June 2006 (UTC)


 * I'd rather you kept my title inside Wikipedia. It's just Dan on here, but if you must, then Mr Dan is fine. I'm not an appointed authority on the article, but as you can see by my edits, I have spent a lot of time and effort on the article and, whilst it is, by no means my own, I do try to keep it in good order. This type of behaviour is also encouraged by Wikipedia.


 * Regarding your apparent 'infinite stupidity', well nobody's perfect. Injuries... Buildings... Not sure what you're on about here sp we'll skip past this. Hacking being more serious is a matter of opinion and has no basis for fact. Unfortunately, edit summaries aren't big enough for most of the things I like to say, and I felt your edit deserved an explanation. My beef with your edit though, is that it is an insignificant event. Lets say that in an hours time, the site get back on its knees... Well then, the notice is out of date already and it'll take some more time for the edit to be removed.


 * Anyway... Who really needs to know it's down/hacked/whatever? Chances are, that 90% of people will click anyway in their infinite wisdom, curiosity and ignorance.


 * Adios.
 * --Dan (Talk) 21:41, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

FIFA World Rankings
Hi Phil, good work on that article! I do have some objections on FAC, would you be able to address them? Interesting article though, and I think you are well on your way to getting it to FA status. - Ta bu shi da yu 10:08, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

Montenegro players
Please stop reverting edits by others and me to Montenegro national football team until you've succeeded at building consensus on this issue. If you present documentation that their players will be obligated to play for Serbia, that would probably be sufficient to win me (and possibly others) over to your position. Cheers, PhilipR 05:52, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Category:Memorable photographs
I recently added Category:Memorable photographs to Categories for deletion/Log/2006 June 28. Since you contributed to Category talk:Memorable photographs in regards to the category's suitability, I thought you might like to know. —D-Rock 09:47, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Claude
(Claude A. R. Kagan 17:52, 30 June 2006 (UTC)) I dont know if this is a good place to leave a message I will make it brief. I have rummaged through 28 or so years of my files and found a very good quite encyclopedic description of the sam76 language I put it in my DISCUSSION page and would appreciate your checking it out. I was lucky that was a formatted and tyu-peset page using the languageprinting consstant width fonts and all I had to do was copy and paste. There are references, acknowledgements, I dont know if the latter is encyclopedic if so let me know what to remove. You can add your comments at the bottom of my discussion page below the article. I will find it if it is there. It will take me quite a while to leaqrn to navigagte and understand how to use wikkipedia, I will try, Cordially Claude

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Cristiano Ronaldo
Re your comment of Ronaldo's talk page (under the heading "Sour Grapes"). Please remember to be civil towards other users and don't tell them to "shut up" even if you thought they were being rude or obnoxious. Also, if you think nobody blames Ronaldo for you should see some of the vandalism on the page, and a number of match reports that I've read today. hedpeguyuk 2 July 2006, 17:55 (UTC)

No worries. I guess we all do things like that out of passion and anger from time to time. I know I did on Friday when I insulted a repeat vandal. I can see it was out of character. hedpeguyuk 2 July 2006, 20:00 (UTC)

Well
It's not like I think being an IP is good, I just think that editors are too hard on the poor little guys. Believe you me, being an IP sucks. We don't have nearly as cool of things as registered users have. Some people want to prevent IPs from editing, though, which I think is insane. Nobody would register if they couldn't edit as an IP. So I decided to stay one, just to prove we're good editors too. ''' 69.145.123.171 Hello! ''' Tuesday, July 4, 2006, 21:48 (UTC)


 * It was this that really set me off. And if we change IPs again, there's nothing I can do. I'll just have to start over. :( --69.145.123.171 21:51, 4 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Yep. That's why I often switch between the cool one and the lousy one.  69.145.123.171 Hello!  Tuesday, July 4, 2006, 22:01 (UTC)

Message from Loomis
No worries Phil, I'm actually relieved that this was all just a misunderstanding. I still have some issues with your position, but they're all friendly ones and can be resolved in a friendly manner I'm sure. I honestly prefer a friendly debate to an angry confrontation, and I'm glad you seem to feel the same. The only thing that leaves me curious is that last link to a page entitled "Matthew (something)". Who is that? The pic is certainly of me, but I'm completely at a loss as to what the rest is about. My first name is actually "Lewis" so I have no idea who this "Matthew" person is. Again, sorry for the misunderstanding. All the best. Loomis 01:55, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

from claude
I am more confused than ever. Look at the beginning of DISCUSSION page on my page annd your instructions as to how to use etc. start and stop do that refer to protection or unprotected from automatic code formatting. If you look below your explanation I used it to STOP and it did not???? Sorry I am really trying.

England/Portugal
OK, two games. It still doesn't constitute a rivalry on the same level as Argentina and Germany. We probably have more of a rivalry with, say, Poland than Portugal; let's not get carried away with recentism (if that's a word) --Robdurbar 22:15, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
 * The important thing about a rivalry is that is has to work both ways. Jooler 22:25, 5 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Yeh I agree its not a rivalry, thats why I didn't re-add it.  Philc TECI 22:33, 5 July 2006 (UTC)


 * lol, apologies for my hastiness! --Robdurbar 22:35, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Mediation
Hello! I will attempt to mediate the situation on the Montenegro Football team page. TruthCrusader 18:34, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

from CLAUDE
Looking at my discussion page I see a /nowidi at the very top then your explanation then the two things of algorithms I had put it. I do not see the <nowiki. tut I see my stuff OK without anythign. You have started thwith the, your comments folow and that is all I see. Does the nowiki to start vanish? This is my confusion. I know that this is not yet acceptable. I have to add a front end summary at the very least and links to the sam76 page. But I wanted to understand what the nowiki does. If I have it right dont bother to explain, if I have it wrong I must admit to be confused again. The top half shows the various algorithms in use. The bottom half shows the actual guts of the algorithms with the invisible variable entry points in square brackets. The e correspond respectively to the first, second third etc arguments of the expression in thich they are being usedl. Now you can be thoroughly confused. This would be a great and simple way to translate from english to esperant. All you need are two lists of words separated by commas and zap a body of t4st in which those words might be can be zapped from one language to the other ith one click of the mouse.eg: list1 is ,the,dog,cat,and,horse,  the second oist in french wojuld be   ,le,chien,et,chat,cheval the: the text to be translated would be The dog and the cat and the horse thus: %pt,text%list1//

ja[yu happy %text%list2


 * HELLO PHIL fr V;sifr
 * I am ready to surrender, things seem to be going swimmingly
 * I did the inttroduction for ALGORITHMS in Sam76. REligiously
 * put the at the beginning of the stuff I had
 * in my discussion talk, and even terminated it with a /nowiki. Did preview and things looked great until I got to the examples with the tildes, and lo and behold they were replaced by the date time thing. What magic ddid you do to make them come out right on my discussion ;page, and wrong on the new page?
 * Sorry to be such a pest. I see that in Thailand they play football / taht is to say soccer / on motorcycles.

From CLAUDE HURRAH, that worked.... the tilde bit I mean By the way I removed all referendce to Golden Coinsand rewardss If someone should win, which is most unlikely then I will give that person some hurrahs and lots of indulgences. There seemed dto be an ambiguity about the pink message re the golden coins. It says remove it if I entend to fix the problem, so I fixed the problem, then some inc9omprehensibele stuff about not removing it if I created the page. By the time I read on past the removal I was too late and do not understand what happened.

HELP RESCUE NEEDED. As mentioned previously I made all the corrections asked for and I get a new message different color telling me the same thing. By that time I had done all the edit of concern. The new message states : remove this message if you have made the necessary corrections. How the B. Hell does one remove the message. I gave a lengthy explanation in a talk page but it does not seem to have helped. I hope not too many typos here. Claude Kagan

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From Claude, Unpardonable, but forgiveable. OK pr4evailing on your time between foot ball issues: What is diff betwwn red and blue reference links when using two pair of square brackets. I have figured out how to extract images from wikimedia, but how toes one pjut the image in that store? The loast time I had anything to do with football was when I had to clean the muddy boots of a prefect in schoo.

-Algorithms in Sam76
Thanks for the note about the article, I have removed the prod from the article. Thank you for reminding me about assuming good faith, my apologies for jumping the gun. I'll add a few more constructive and appropriate tags to the article. I'm sure it will improve over time. -- MrDolomite | Talk 19:12, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Re: 3RR
Yes i am aware of 3RR thanks, I had already decided if he continued to vandalise that i report him. He has recieved both warnings and also frequentley abuses powers and involves him self in wars. Defintley bad admin material. Matthew  Fenton ( contribs ) 21:14, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Okay, as it was me who created the images i shall change the liceanse. Matthew  Fenton  ( contribs ) 21:17, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Image helping text
Regarding [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Claude_A._R._Kagan&diff=prev&oldid=63142107]. I would suggest that instead of using Exmaple.jpg you'd better use Example.png. It is the same image anyway, but the editing toolbar uses example.jpg, thus checking the pages which use example.jpg is a great way to find editing experiments left over by the recent changes patrol, or badly formatted new articles. Thus any other use of example.jpg only makes that list more difficult to check. andy 11:53, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Claude
Here comes the PEST again, that is to say CLAUDE I added image to Globotype and find the following in red above it. What does it mean

i have twice copied and pasted here the red stuff above the comments and it wont sticdk here after i pasted it and saved kit

Does it have reference to copyright tagging, I filled that out and put in 1.2.5

Then to add insult to injury the foregoing is followed by the following: Aparemt hoax REALLY, it may seem to be a hoax to him but I have the original and made replicas of the original that I have sold once in a while on eBay. Fuurthermore I have a copy of the Patent summary from England, and extensive correspondence with people in Devon and Plymouth. What more does the author of Hoax above want. I have given in the references patent number, and original publisher.

I looked over the text and I dont find it ambiguous with the use of the word computer at the very bottom, that was intended to be humorous sicne obviously they did nothave computers in the mid 18th. Century. The conclusion is quite clear no paper no printier no pencils, the author of the original stresses that poing. Should I put the whole booklet on Wikipedia, I do not have it in machine readable form. and there are about 32 pages of technical detail including the coding used, environmental issues etc etc.

I looked at the comment about the picture: First do I just change jpg to png, are they the same? secondly I could not find an image button on the main toolbar, and the toolbar above the image did not do anything much when I hit it. I actually edited the the article to add the globo2.jpg there I did not do anthing about wiki, nowiki etc, I can fix that. Claude with an aparent hoax, that hurts since that is one the most exciting and interesting piece of engineering writing I have ever seen coming out of the 18th century. 15:54, 11 July 2006 (hist) (diff) Image:Globo2.jpg (David Mc Callum, deceased 1890 Bookjlet published in 1856, The Globotype Telegraph ) I that what the reviewer wanted to say to me. How do I use this picture and not the second one that somehow materialized above it? How do I communicate this to the anonymous reviewer. I am sure you know how, so please find outho to substitue this image from the current one in the article Thanks again.

Hunting around I( found the following in my contribs:

Montenegro – I'm back in action
Just wanted to let you know that I finally managed a proper response at Talk:Montenegro national football team. Thanks for your willingness to work through this in the mediation process. Cheers, PhilipR 17:26, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

Dknights
You got to watch out for this guy, 1998 1999 nba season was just fine, but he had to change june 25th day, the day when the season ended, it was there all the time, but he chose to play around, in his mind littlest of things are mistakes and personal attacks, see that the article gets corrected right.

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Template over usage
I'm after combating this by using a new collapsable template.

World Cup Squads

Only the bar appears at first and you can open it by pressing the "show" button. I think its a nice comprimise.

We still have to iron out one or two problems before it can be used widespread.

Check out Paolo Maldini where it is being used with past Italy squads.

If you want to help with the project, to clear up a few problems go to Template:World Cup Squads and got to the talk page.

Thanks.

Niall123 09:05, 24 July 2006 (UTC)


 * I know though that these templates are being used in many many articles. A lot of tennis articles along with a lot of article regarding countries etc are currently using them.  I also can't imagine many situations where a user would have javascript turned off ? Niall123 12:37, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Template:FIFA World Ranking leaders
I changed the colours according to the first jerseys of each team. When a duplicated colour is used, or in the case of Germany that use white, I selected the second jersey colour.--Semioli 13:03, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

AQB Sports Ratings
Hi there,

I agree that AQB Ratings are notable ratings, but I'm not sure that the author has carried them out to a full extent that makes them as complete as the ELO ratings. For example, not all of the teams are ranked, and it seems to me that he avoids even calculating the matches with unranked opponents (see his list--it only goes upto 100 teams, and also see this http://www.image.co.nz/aqb/soccer_unranked.html). I like his method, but he needs to be more thorough and scientific with his findings and he needs to carry it out for all teams, not just a few that he considers to be strong. Lastly, he has no intermediate data to double check his calculations either. These are the primary reasons why his rankings are not as accepted as Elo's. Cheers! --Palffy 17:02, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Admin coaching
Hi, your turn has arrived for admin coaching! As it's been a while since you've signed up I just wanted to check that you are still wanting it. If so simply add your name to the "Unassigned" section of the coaching box. Let me know if you have any questions (note: EWS23 might reply in my absence!). Cheers, Petros471 22:01, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Archery
You probably don't check the Aikido-thread anymore, so I'll suggest this here. Have you thought about archery? I can't think of any reasons, but somehow the two seem to 'be in the same spirit'. DirkvdM 04:56, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

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Me
Its me User:Philc 0780, not logged in by mistake, i added the tags onto all of the templates, so I no longer need the help the passage was about, so I removed due to irrelavence. Sorry to have worried you! 172.206.180.165 18:46, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
 * No problem! Thanks for letting me know :-) — Mets 501  (If responding, please do so on my talk page) 18:52, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

WCS
Those things are painful. They take a huge time to load, and don't give the ease of usage that the templates provide. The templates allow for easier access. MonsterOfTheLake 19:49, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Admin coaching
Your coaches are Shreshth91 and Samuel Blanning. Exactly what form the admin coaching takes is up to you and the coaches to decide, but a general piece of advice I give is to set up a user subpage (for example User:Philc 0780/Admin coaching, or just use your existing 'Improve me' page) to keep coaching discussion together. That prevents things getting split up over three talk pages, which can get confusing! Let me know (on my talk page) if you have any questions. Cheers, Petros471 16:30, 15 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Hey there, I'll be your admin coach (thoroughly inexperienced at the job :P ). Just drop me a line when you set up a page for coaching discussion. Remember, I'm always there; even for the smallest thing :DD -- May the Force be with you! Shr e shth91($ |-| ŗ 3 $ |-| ţ |-|)  18:10, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Hi Phil (and Shreshth), I'm looking forward to being of any help I can. As Petros says, setting up a special subpage for this sounds like a good idea. Or maybe a subsection of your Improve me page? --Sam Blanning(talk) 19:07, 15 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Ok job done. Philc  TECI 22:00, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

From Loomis
Don't worry about it Phil. The fact that you went so far as to actually go to my user-page and clarify your remarks is proof enough for me that you simply miscommunicated your position, and that you're indeed the good and decent Englishman, a quality that I've come to expect from the people of your great country. Loomis 21:41, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Fandangle
The article used to read:


 * The fandangle is a groundbreaking skateboard maneuver invented by Eric Koston on April 23, 1997 in Beverly Hills, CA. It is a one-footed nose grind.


 * The fandangle helped usher in a new era of skateboarding and is not at all responsible for the creation of the Tony Hawk's Pro Skater video game series. It is considered by most to be a difficult skateboarding trick and has been performed only a handful of times.

It was deleted on July 19 as an uncontested PROD. I hope this helps. Joyous! | Talk 23:04, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Death of Jupiter
Thank you for your response. Gallaghp 21:38, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

No!
I was right! :) I wasn't saying the course of your life could go backwards (although the vector would oscillate), I was saying you can fit an infinitely long spiral in a fixed area (which you can). If instead of being a fixed line that had to exist with bounds (say less than 121 years) your life could fit inside a 2D time box that was 11 years x 11 years – so no-ones life could extend out of that 11 x 11 box, but the line inside could be an infinite number of years long. Easiest to understand if you draw it. Cool sig btw. Rentwa 20:45, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

He he!
Sorry, I should have said easiest if I draw it! Don't worry abt it, I'll find some links that explain it (or at least have relevant pics) – you'll kick yourself (well, you like football?) when you see how simple it is :). I did light cones etc as part of my post grad studies – horrible stuff. Rentwa 13:50, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Eternal Life
These spirals are infinitely long. They can all be drawn inside a box you could draw on the graph. If x and y of that graph were 2 time dimensions then the point at which you were in your life could be described by 2 numbers (your x age and your y age) instead of the 1 number we use in 4D space time. So instead of being 10 years old you would be (for instance) 6 years old in the x direction and 7 years old in the y direction, and this situation would have many similarities to our familiar 1D time, but you would also be eternal :).

Someone posted some objections which I haven't had time to read, but I think the point about causality is only true when certain other conditions are present. Rentwa 17:07, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

No :)
You don't need to 'regress' as you put it (meaning get younger?). The spirals in the pic don't have an obvious starting point, but you can use ones that do if you want (in the ones in the pic, just as never dying, you would never have been born either – you would have existed always*). You proceed along them at a constant rate – this is known as a parametrisation, so in these respects we haven't deviated from 1D time yet. And you can't 'dodge' from one point in time to another – the lines are just like straight lines or train tracks – you can't jump off them and miss a station. Finally, you can't harness or manipulate this time any more than you can 1D time – so in all respects so far considered it's just the same except for eternal life!


 * There's a distinction between infinite and all, but that doesn't need to concern us here.

Rentwa 18:52, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Yes!
You're right!

WP needs a more advanced article 'parametrisation', and yes, we would keep getting more decrepit. Whether or not we die because our bodies are kaput or continue to live because our ages are still within bounds is debateable, but I'd probably say your objection was stronger than my defense. 1 – 0 to you. Rentwa 20:04, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Oh, and I only have 1 browser open ATM, but your point about time lines overlapping is similar to current 1D time. You need polynomial functions in order to let the curves overlap for strict subsets of their points, which is an added condition, but I can't see any additional constraints it would impose. If they merely cross then I think we need more conditions in order to preserve certain laws of physics, such as conservation of energy. Rentwa 20:13, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

You're welcome :)
Although I did once charge a rather exorbitant rate for this sort of thing. Next Q will cost 90 wikidollars I'm afraid. :( Rentwa 20:17, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Incivility
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A note from Lewis
I can sort of relate to your position, you're just a stubborn, short-tempered hot-head like me! But let me say this much. I wrote to Stu to vouch for the fact that you're a decent guy who I respect. Now I'm writing to you to do the same for Stu. Despite the fact that he's a Democrat (I'll never forgive him for that! I'm a Tory!), he's ultimately one of the most decent, intelligent, politically astute fellows I've ever come across here. I consider you both friends (although, I have to admit, I know him better).

I often speak out against prejudice. Well, I have to admit that in at least one sense I'm definitely prejudiced. Being Canadian, in a strange way, I'm sort of half-British, half-American. That's kind of how we think of ourselves over here. In any case, I have to admit that I have a totally prejudiced fondness for England and all things English. I'm also rather pro-US (if you haven't noticed!) Of course it's ridiculous, I'm sure there are quite a few English assholes, (and definitely plenty of American assholes!) but my "prejudice" assumed from the very start that you're definitely not one of them.

One of aspects of the English mentality that I'm so fond of is your unique sense of grace and magnanimity. I aspire to that. All I'm asking of you then is to be the good, gracious and magnanimous Englishman that you are give Stu a completely and unqualified apology.

As I was implying, the three of us, (I should include JackofOz as well,) though we may come from somewhat different countries (and different religions as well), we nonetheless share that ineffable "English" mentality, that mentality of sensibility, magnanimity, modest self-deprecation (ok, so the Yanks aren't too good at that part!) and stoicism that is so horribly lacking on the continent, not to mention the rest of the world. It would be a shame to throw all that away over a silly dispute over the meaning of a word.

Lewis Loomis 00:46, 20 September 2006 (UTC)