User talk:Philg88/Archive 13

Re May GOCE drive - Article word counts
Hi Phil

Re this. Please check out WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors/Backlog elimination drives/FAQ (look at the last question in the "Page size" question). To quote:

'''Q: If I use the word counter on articles using bullets such as a list (or tables), not all words are counted. What do I do?'''

A: Just copy and paste the words (minus the Table of Contents, and any references or notes sections) into any word processor that can do a word count, and take the number from there.

For example, using the prosesize tool the World Series Cricket Results article counts in at just 223 words before the copyedit (which is what you're meant to count, not the 720 words from a post-copyedit count that you've done; I did a fair bit of work adding in an introduction and context for which the article had also been tagged, thus the increase in words). Hmmm, five hours work (check the page history) for 223 words? You've gotta be joking! :)

Trust me, I got caught out in a couple of previous drives where I did myself out of probably 10,000 words by relying just on the prosesize tool (which I still do use for most articles that are primarily straight text) before I found this out late in the March drive! --jjron (talk) 02:51, 8 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Oh, you may also be interested in this discussion: Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Guild_of_Copy_Editors/Backlog_elimination_drives/March_2011. That's I think where I found out about this issue. FWIW I make a bit of a judgement call, e.g., where I spend a lot of time working on a list or table such as in the WSC Results article I do count it, but in some articles you basically skip the lists or tables, in which case I don't bother counting it. Having said which, not all users make such judgement calls, for example they'll copyedit a 200 word section and count it as a 2,500 word article, which rather makes the whole word count thing a bit of a farce anyway. ;) --jjron (talk) 03:16, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

That's a fair call although Did you know ... uses stricter criteria as I've been bitten by them before. I took my guidance from the main drive page so maybe that should be updated with information about lists. Of course, I realize now that I have done myself out of some words on the long copyedits, but what the hell :). Best, ► Philg88 ◄ star.png 06:12, 8 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Yeah, at the end of the last drive when I found out about this I was almost going to go back and recalculate the articles where I'd done considerable work with lists or tables, but ended up not bothering. But I did think to myself I'm not going to miss out next time! Probably good for you that you've found out early in the process.


 * BTW, when someone suddenly appears high up on the leaderboard I tend to go and have a random peak at their copyedits (which is how I found that one I linked to above). Did so when you suddenly appeared a couple of days ago and the ones I looked at seemed good. However, to be honest, I don't think that everyone that participates in these drives does a very good job of it; at least let's say there's highly variable standards. I'd probably put it at under fifty percent of the participants who do it well, so yeah, in a sense the drives are good, but as with anything it's all open to abuse. I reckon I make a fair fist of the ones I copyedit, so feel I'm justified in claiming whatever words I legally can, and so should you if you're doing a good job. Cheers, --jjron (talk) 11:28, 8 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Have now added a link on the main drive page to the page size section of the FAQ as you suggested. You're right - how are new people meant to know about this? Let's see if it sticks. --jjron (talk) 11:51, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for adding the link. As you say, I agree standards vary according to how concientious people are with their copyediting. I have quite a good reputation having got a fair few articles to GA/FA so I'm careful to maintain that. Best, ► Philg88 ◄ star.png 21:40, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

Operation Mallard
Thanks once again for teh cop edit.Jim Sweeney (talk) 16:53, 10 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Welcome~ ► Philg88 ◄ star.png 19:53, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

Peer review for Eveline Hanska?
Hello there Philg88! I'm working to take the article about Eveline Hańska (wife of Honoré de Balzac) to FAC. Do you have time for a quick peer review? Thanks in advance! Scartol •  Tok  12:22, 11 May 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't really do peer reviews particularly as at the moment I am tied up with the latest copyedit backlog drive. My first comment though is that you need to add a template. You can request a peer review here or copyedit edit request here. Good luck! ► Philg88 ◄  star.png 20:40, 11 May 2011 (UTC)
 * No worries. I added the persondata; thanks for that. I've got some other folks doing PRs. Cheers! Scartol  •  Tok  20:51, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

Hello
I was wondering, since you're a copyeditor and likely a 1,000x better at prose-related stuff than I am, could you review and leave some comments about the current FLC List of accolades received by Winter's Bone? It would be very appreciated! Crystal Clear x3 22:06, 12 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Hi, it's done, hope you like it :) ► Philg88 ◄ star.png 22:40, 12 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much! Crystal Clear x3 22:46, 12 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Not to bother you again but, if you would't mind, could you leave some feedback on the FLC page about whether or not you think the list should be an FL? Regards Crystal Clear x3 02:41, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

I'm not sure that I can - since I copyedited the article I am now considered a "concerned editor" I believe. If that isn't the case let me know and I will leave some comments. Best ► Philg88 ◄ star.png 02:55, 13 May 2011 (UTC)
 * I just asked and they said "Of course they would be allowed to participate in the FLC, but they should make their involvement with the article clear" =) Crystal Clear x3 05:57, 13 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Symbol confirmed.svg Done. ► Philg88 ◄ star.png 07:57, 13 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for all your help! Crystal Clear x3 20:25, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

You're welcome. Good luck with the nomination. ► Philg88 ◄ star.png 20:49, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

List of awards and nominations received by Kid Cudi
Thanks for copyediting List of awards and nominations received by Kid Cudi! Crystal Clear x3 07:16, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Again, you are most welcome. Best ► Philg88 ◄ star.png 07:28, 19 May 2011 (UTC).

Thanks
Hi Philg88. Thanks for copyediting Godred II Olafsson last week. :)--Brianann MacAmhlaidh (talk) 08:00, 13 May 2011 (UTC)
 * You're welcome. Being a pure-blooded Celt it was an interesting history lesson for me :) ► Philg88 ◄ star.png 08:09, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

GOCE drive update
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Ahalya
Thanks for starting the copyedit, but due to a content dispute, the content may change dramatically. I would request to temporarily halt the copyedit till the dispute is resolved. I will get back to me, after it is resolved. -- Redtigerxyz Talk 05:44, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
 * OK, thanks for letting me know. Please drop me a line when the issue is resolved. Best, ► Philg88 ◄ star.png 06:46, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
 * thanks. -- Redtigerxyz Talk 07:42, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
 * The content dispute has almost come to end. Please go ahead with the copyedit. Thanks. -- Redtigerxyz Talk 06:30, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

OK, will resume. ► Philg88 ◄ star.png 07:00, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

RE: warnings
Shared IP at the Peabody Orlando hotel. Would you kindly soft block? --74.203.136.2 (talk) 13:30, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm not a sysop but I'll pass the message on. ► Philg88 ◄ star.png 20:29, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

Use of Dacian Draco image
Dear Philg88, I am interested in using modified version of your image as a part of my archaeological projects logo, and would like your permission to do so. I can be reached at poltorak@buffalo.edu Darren Poltorak 74.77.100.228 (talk) 21:35, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Hi, you can certainly use the image - you don't need my permission - just credit the source as a Wikipedia image released under a Creative Commons Attribution 3.0 Unported licence.

Best, ► Philg88 ◄ star.png 21:44, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

Ahalya
Thanks for copyediting that article, just keep in mind that placing a CE tag when the article hits the main page is discouraged. There is one typo there of extra-martial (marital). I'm not going to correct that because of the tag. Materialscientist (talk) 01:40, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I didn't know that it was going on the main page - wasn't mentioned in the GOCE request. I will remove the CE tag hoping there are no edit conflicts and correct the spelling error. Best, ► Philg88 ◄ star.png 01:46, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
 * I sometimes protect an article and then realize it is being mass-edited only because it is on the main page :-). Sometimes adding an article to the watchlist helps because the DYK bot posts a note at its talk when it just hits the main page. One way to keep going is to remove the tag and edit section by section. It is a very quiet time now, thus maybe no-one else will be editing. Cheers. Materialscientist (talk) 01:55, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I've done that - only a few sections to go now anyway. ► Philg88 ◄ star.png 01:57, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the copyedit. I have addressed your clarification requests with comments and some changes. Please check if any more clarification is needed. When you are done, please add the GOCE tag on the talk.
 * Sorry, I didn't track the DYK nomination after it passed, so didn't know when Ahalya was going to appear on main page. Will remember to inform the copyeditor next time. :) -- Redtigerxyz  Talk 03:55, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

No problem with the DYK nomination, you did mention it on the original request but I didn't think it was imminent (as it normally takes more than a month for my DYK submissions to appear :. Anyway, I have made a couple of changes and inserted another clarification request with regard to the sentence containing "leave to". I have also rewritten the info on the stones in the Tamil poem - bear in mind I am not an expert on the subject but I don't think I've altered the meaning of what is meant . Let me know if there are any further queries - the article is shaping up nicely for GA although I'm still wondering how on earth they found space to put 1,000 vaginas on Indra's body :). Best <span style="color:#646464; font-weight:bold; font-size:11px; border:2px solid #FFCC33;background-color:#cde0fc; padding: 2px 10px;">► Philg88 ◄ star.png 06:50, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
 * The stones info in the Tamil poem is right. "I'm still wondering how on earth..." RE: Hmm.. Good query. May be because it is related more to heaven than earth.. ;)... Thanks for the copyedit. Any other observations/suggestions that might help Ahalya become better? -- Redtigerxyz Talk 10:32, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
 * OK, let me think about it overnight (China time :)) Best, <span style="color:#646464; font-weight:bold; font-size:11px; border:2px solid #FFCC33;background-color:#cde0fc; padding: 2px 10px;">► Philg88 ◄ star.png 10:42, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

I've fixed up some DAB links but disambiguation still needed for Savitri. Other than that I don't have any further suggestions. Best, <span style="color:#646464; font-weight:bold; font-size:11px; border:2px solid #FFCC33;background-color:#cde0fc; padding: 2px 10px;">► Philg88 ◄ star.png 07:08, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

Peer Review Request - Walt Disney
I have reopened up the article Walt Disney for peer review over here. I noticed you are a volunteer over at peer review and was hoping that you could provide some time and energy to take a look at the article and provide feedback. Thank you. Tiggerjay (talk) 00:03, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Hi, I can do a copyedit on the article rather than the review itself. Is that what you want? Best, <span style="color:#646464; font-weight:bold; font-size:11px; border:2px solid #FFCC33;background-color:#cde0fc; padding: 2px 10px;">► Philg88 ◄ star.png 00:06, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
 * That would be great. Thanks Tiggerjay (talk) 00:55, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

No problem, give me a couple of days. <span style="color:#646464; font-weight:bold; font-size:11px; border:2px solid #FFCC33;background-color:#cde0fc; padding: 2px 10px;">► Philg88 ◄ star.png 01:13, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Feedback on Jardine page
Thank you so much for your dedicating to maintaining this page. I work with the Jardines Group via the consultancy GolinHarris. For some time, I've felt that the entry itself probably needed more significant changes to make it more relevant to the Group today. These are the kind of updates that are most likely only available from the Group itself. Before making any edits, given your activity on the page, I wanted to determine if you would be willing to view the re-write in advance of posting. Basically, we just thought it needed trimming, and updating of how the Group is structured today. If nothing else, would you be open receiving data from us? I can be reached at john.morgan@golinharris.com. — Preceding unsigned comment added by JMmorganGH (talk • contribs) 12:50, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Replied via email - good suggestion. <span style="color:#646464; font-weight:bold; font-size:11px; border:2px solid #FFCC33;background-color:#cde0fc; padding: 2px 10px;">► Philg88 ◄ star.png 07:33, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

June 2011 Wikification Drive
Sumsum2010 · T · C 23:53, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

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