User talk:Philg88/Archive 26

AN/I
Mind taking a look and lifting the barrage? Thanks much " My master, Annatar the Great, bids thee welcome! " 23:10, 22 June 2014 (UTC)
 * "Lift the barrage"? I'm not quite sure what you're asking me to do here. I've advised you in the past to wind it back on a couple of occasions but my words seem to have fallen on deaf ears. The community consensus at AN/I over your actions seems pretty clear cut, and while I hate to pile on, I 'm afraid that I have to concur with it. Philg88 ♦talk 04:36, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Albert Heard
— Crisco 1492 (talk) 05:38, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

Outta curiosity...

 * South China Post  , Time  , Time Out ,  ,  & HK Magazine

Hi Phil. The AfD for Underground just closed as delete, in line with the arguments on it. Personally after sources searching I ended up thinking there probably was sufficient RS coverage (that was non-trivial; evidence of lasting impact/recognition etc) to meet notability standards & build a (non-substub) article. I guess I thought the discussion opened later than it did and didn't !vote before close. That'll teach me to dawdle. Anyway, was curious whether if I had with the sources above in a "coverage e.g link/link" way, they would've been sufficient to address your nn sigcov concerns? 91.125.29.135 (talk) 00:23, 24 June 2014 (UTC)
 * P.S. During the search I came across a passing to Hulu and thought oooh I've heard of them! :)
 * Hi there and thanks for the question. As I recall, the Underground article was written like an advert and I certainly didn't find any sources that I considered acceptable. Had I done so, I would probably have done a "hulu" on it. With the sources you cite, unfortunately, I can't access the SCMP as I've used up my access quota to that paper for this month. Similarly with Time, I would have to subscribe to read the article. The Time Out articles do have some depth, but it's hard to tell whether they are blogs or whether there was editorial oversight involved. Since insufficient reliable sources for the article was also the view of two other editors, the article had a consensus to delete so that's what happened. Had you !voted, that would have held off the deletion for a while and by the same token, if you'd added the quoted sources, maybe the outcome would have been different. As you say yourself, you dawdled, so next time !vote early. You might find it useful to read the Wikipedia guidelines on deletion reviews. Best, Philg88 ♦talk 04:58, 24 June 2014 (UTC)
 * A tip for you, Phil: most web sites track your access quota with cookies, which can be easily circumvented using your browser's "private browsing" or "incognito" feature. -Zanhe (talk) 05:17, 24 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Cool, thanks for that. I'll have a poke around Firefox's settings. Philg88 ♦talk 06:11, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

About a ship.
Hello my friend, I'm taking a breather from all the Gotlandic articles and doing something else that I like for a couple of days: nice ships. And I saw that the article about one of Sweden's proudest, the Götheborg (ship) need a bit of help with references. But looking at the meagre reflist I notice that almost all of the information in the article is from the ships own website. Is this really good for references? I think that some of it can be used, such as facts about the ship itself, but how far can I go? Naturally I will gather whatever information I can about it from other sources, but anyhow.

Another thing. I have been approached by other Swedes working here at the EngWiki and some insists that it is ok to have conversations in Swedish. Here. It does not seem right to me, since this would exclude other editors. (You can look at my talk page.) Any comments? Best, - W.carter (talk) 15:35, 18 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Hey . As far as Götheborg (ship) goes, Wikipedia guidelines state that references should be independent for notability purposes but that non-independent references can be used to source content. Technically, given that all but one of the references are from the ship owner's website, the article could be nominated at articles for deletion on the grounds that it does not meet notability requirements. BUT (and it's a very big but), policy also states that sources do not need to be cited in the article, they just need to exist. In other words, an editor who felt so inclined could find the requisite references and add them to the article. This is why the million or more other articles in the same position, haven't (thankfully) been proposed for deletion.


 * As for your question on the use of foreign languages, these are a big no-no for article talk pages and Wikipedia forums because it's not fair on editors who don't understand that language. Personal user pages are governed by the rule that Wikipedia is not a social networking site and everything you discuss should be related to improving Wikipedia, not that your cat/dog/armadillo is sick etc. There is nothing that says you may not have a conversation in Swedish and as you may have seen here, I occasionally discuss things in Chinese when an editor finds English difficult. In short, this is English Wikipedia and the sensible advice is to use Swedish only if absolutely necessary. Your English skills are way beyond needing to revert to your native tongue to express yourself, but I accept that not everyone has the same skills and sometimes you may need to use a Swedish phrase to get the point across. Best, Philg88 ♦talk 16:58, 18 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Thank so much for your sage advice. So it was pretty much as I expected. I'll do some digging during the weekend and see if can set the ship on the right course. I really like it (I have seen it a number of times and even been aboard when it came to Visby) and it would be a shame to loose such an article. And it is a relief to know that I was right about the language since the user proposing this is a senior editor and, well, I'm still a newbie. And now I have to go and smooth the ruffled feathers of my co-editors on John Bauer (illustrator) who seems to be on verge of an edit war. - W.carter (talk) 18:06, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

Hello again Master Yoda! No ship this weekend. I decided to work on John Bauer (illustrator) instead since it was more urgent (see all the posts on the talk pages, mine and the article's). It's a bit scary since this time I don't have anything to just translate (the Swe article is just as scrawny as the Eng was) and the article is already in the main, so no draft page to tweak and ponder, just me writing top to bottom with my books beside me, referencing as I go along. I try to remember all that you have taught me, keeping my notes close by, but I will have to revisit the article time and time again later to tweak and expand it. I hope to have the article in some kind of shape by tomorrow if you would like to check that I have not made any too horrible mistakes. Right now I have a more pressing problem: I’ve had some trouble with the translation of “Svanhamnen” (a central work). In old Swedish it is used to describe what a person(maid) is “wearing” when she turns into a swan, much like a wherewolf or any of the shapeshifters in True Blood. The most accurate word (as far as I know) is “Swan habit”, but that causes trouble. Just Google it and you get all the nesting habits of swans. I have settled for “attire” even if some people would think about Björk and her swan dress. Any suggestions? Cheers, - W.carter (talk) 10:05, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

Oh, and I just thought I should mention, in case you don't know, that Bauer is to Swe what Beatrix Potter is to Eng. (And I really should write his full name, John Bauer, because every time I just write "Bauer" an very different man pops up in my head.) :D - W.carter (talk) 10:31, 21 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Hey ! Joun Bauer is looking better, well done! The editor who I "discussed" the image problem with on the talk page seems to have got bored with arguing about it and has moved on. As a result I'm glad to see that there are now only eight images in the gallery rather than twelve, which is a step in the right direction. I have also done a couple of minor copyedits to the article. As for the swan thing, "attire" sounds odd to my English ears and it might be better to use a construction like "...shapeshifted into a swan...". Best,  Philg88 ♦talk 08:03, 22 June 2014 (UTC)
 * @Philg88:  Thank you so much for your help! :) Well, the whole thing apparently was about Tuvstarr being nominated for Featured Picture and the editor needed a good article to go with it and the only way to expand an article that the editor knew was to add more pictures to the article. I provided the necessary "provenance" in another way and that seemed to do the trick. The editor is stated as dragon, hmm, more like a herd of wildebeest. I think I'll ask the other editor if he can reduce the gallery to proper size now that so many of the pictures are in the text. And Happy Solstice to you! It's our main holiday here, bigger than Christmas, though I choose to celebrate it in an odd way this year. Best, - W.carter (talk) 10:10, 22 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Thank . I won't ask what's odd about your celebrating style – don't forget, I met some people from Gotland once :). Cheers, Philg88 ♦talk 11:09, 22 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Lol! :) Being indoors all day editing The Wikipedia would be considered an unspeakable sacrilege by 99.7% of the Swedes. Although spending it writhing about our #1 nature/mystique artist does save me from being burned at the stake. Phew... - W.carter (talk) 11:16, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

你好??朋友, (probably wildly inaccurate but that's as far as I got with my old Chinese dictionary and very rudimentary skills.)^^ I have settled for "Swan maiden". I figured that since a werewolf can be called "The Wolf man" it's ok for her to be "The Swan maiden". It is a story, and I allow myself some artistic liberties as a translator just to keep the concept clear. I also tweaked the Gallery in a way that I hope will be satisfactory to everybody. Otherwise I'll take the heat for it. Cheers, - W.carter (talk) 14:26, 22 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Much as I hate to correct, the correct Chinese is 朋友，你好吗? The word order is back to front compared to English and note the extra character "ma" at the end that turns the phrase into a question. It's a long story ... in fact, about a 4,000 year one. That aside, I got to thinking that these stories must have been translated into English at some point. It turns out we have a Swan maiden article, and she, a.k.a. the shapeshifter, pops up in the folklore of many countries. So, you made a good choice of phrase! Now go outside and spend the rest of the day celebrating! Cheers, Philg88 ♦talk 15:13, 22 June 2014 (UTC)
 * You can correct me all you want,^^ like I said: rudimentary knowledge. I know about the left to right, I just did not know if is was treated the same way when inserted into an English sentence. And I was using the ?? as substitutes for the word "my" that I did not know the characters for. I was trying to say "hello my friend". In my "misspent youth" I studied calligraphy for Dr Tien Lung in Stockholm for a couple of years. I have no earthly knowledge of how to pronounce most of it but I still recognize some characters. So, I got lucky with the swan thing, thanks! Now I'm off to The Outdoors! - W.carter (talk) 15:36, 22 June 2014 (UTC)
 * My friend, I'm sorry to report that our gnu really trashed the other editor. I'm sure you can figure out what talk page to look at. Best, - W.carter (talk) 23:03, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Sorry,, but you've lost me. I need a bit more of a clue as to what you are talking about :) Philg88 ♦talk 05:12, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

Hello Philg88, sorry I was just trying to be discrete. It was during the abovementioned discussion about pictures on JB that the debate between editors Krenakarore and Hafspajen got heated. H was on one of his usual quests to put pictures everywhere an K opposed him. I tried to come up with a solution and so did you. H then took the debate to my talk page where he reverted to Swedish both for his own comfort and, I guess to exclude K. Some things were settled there but at the same time H went on to K's talk page to continue. It was a lengthy "debate" which was marked for deletion the next day by K. K is a friendly gnome who usually potters about each day, so when I had not heard from him in almost a week I became concerned. I asked around with his other friends and finally got a message from K, in my solstice greeting on his talk page, where he states that he is re-evaluating his position on the Wikipedia. There. Maybe it's not my business and I should just butt out, but I can not just stand by and watch somebody getting hurt. Or maybe it is because H displays all the stereotypic bad manners Swedes gets when "abroad". Or, it might be because I was also treated very harshly during my first weeks here and was about to leave when a friendly editor brought me back. I am really very much a newbie when it comes to how these things are resolved here on the Wikipedia, and that is why I mention the whole thing to you. And apologies for the ranting. Best - W.carter (talk) 09:52, 24 June 2014 (UTC)
 * No problem, Sometimes it's good to rant. I can't see exactly what happened because the comments have been revdeled but I can imagine. Shame really, I liked that friendly gnome. Alas, sometimes such things happen on Wikipedia and we just have to move on. Philg88 ♦talk 10:17, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

New River
There is a discussion regarding the related AfD you participated in, with additional Chinese-language sources. Your input would be appreciated. The discussion is at Deletion review/Log/2014 June 25 --j⚛e deckertalk 14:36, 25 June 2014 (UTC).
 * ✅ Philg88 ♦talk 17:40, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

CE??
Can you copyedit this little draft ??? Thank you.  J i m Carter  ( talk ) 12:29, 22 June 2014 (UTC)
 * ✅ Although the plot is not very clear to me - could do with some expansion I think. Best, Philg88 ♦talk 13:19, 22 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Nor it is clear to me. I have seen the film and haven't understand anything. The main problem was it's finishing, I have understand.    J i m Carter  ( talk ) 12:00, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Ah, I see. I shall remember that if the film pops up on Netflix. As the old saying goes, "You can't make a silk purse out of a sows ear". Best, Philg88 ♦talk 12:08, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
 * What is Netflix?? Do you watch Indian movies?????  J i m Carter  ( talk ) 12:28, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Netflix is a video streaming service that includes some foreign language films. Yes, I sometimes watch Indian films, which is why I commented on Paan Singh Tomar previously. Philg88 ♦talk 12:34, 23 June 2014 (UTC)


 * 好吧. 我可以建議你一些電影. 你會喜歡他們. —Is this correct?   J i m Carter  ( talk ) 13:41, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

Not really, but I get your drift :) There aren't that many on Netflix so I need to find another source. Gentle reminder: WP:OWNTALK Philg88 ♦talk 14:35, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I forgot about it . Btw do you use or ever have used any android device to access Wikipedia???  J i m Carter  ( talk ) 14:13, 24 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes, I have a Google Nexus 7 that I use occasionally when I'm out. Why? Philg88 ♦talk 15:42, 24 June 2014 (UTC)
 * You can use this :)   J i m Carter  ( talk ) 18:23, 25 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks, but I've had that Wikipedia App for ages. Cheers, Philg88 ♦talk 19:01, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

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Pinyin
I saw you at DRV commenting with some assurance about pinyin so I thought I'd ping you only to find that you actually welcome such enquiries! Finding recently to my astonishment there was no article about the 1921 British Mount Everest reconnaissance expedition I created one and found a problem with place names. The names used in the book of the 1921 expedition are often still used by mountaineers today but in modern maps (and often in WP) different spellings are used (and I think I have learned these are pinyin romanisations). Originally I wrote the article using pinyin names with footnotes explaining the spellings in the old books but then I decided to swing everything round the other way. Anyway, as you will see, I got out of my depth. Can you sort me out (or the article, or both)? I'm old enough to remember when Peking (and even Pekin) became Beijing and I can see the same shift taking place with Lhakpa La and Lhagba La. Thincat (talk) 20:24, 27 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Hi and thanks for the interesting question. Although pinyin is prefererred as the default for English Wikipedia, the rule of thumb is that it's OK to use alternative romanisation systems (Wade-Giles and in obscure cases Legge) if the topic in question dates to before the fall of Imperial China (Xinhai Revolution 1911). There are also exceptions for customary use - for example Chiang Kai-shek, which is unrecognizable in its pinyin form (Jiang jieshi). Then there's the thorny issue of cultural imperialism, i.e. imposing use of the Chinese language on ethnic groups, as is the case in Tibet and some other "autonomous" regions.
 * Being more specific, the article's section on romanisation is incorrect, for example "Tista" is not "Teesta" when using pinyin because syllables with that spelling aren't used. I don't know what the correct pinyin is because I don't read Tibetan and neither would I wish to find out the correct form for the reasons given above. I would just amend the section to say that alternative romanisations are used without mentioning pinyin - the easiest way to do this is would be to replace "pinyin" with "or".
 * In summary, apart from the above, the article looks fine as it is and I wouldn't worry too much about the minor nuances of variable romanisation. Hope this helps. Cheers Philg88 ♦talk 05:09, 28 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your advice which I have acted on. At the same time I've removed some of the footnotes giving an alternative when the WP article linked to already has the alternative spelled out. Thincat (talk) 09:55, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for fixing references at CT Loo
Thanks for fixing the references at C.T. Loo. Sorry for not getting them right to begin with, but could you explain or steer me to the place that explains what it was that was wrong? I have a template, so I should correct it and not spawn more and more things to correct! ch (talk) 18:55, 27 June 2014 (UTC)
 * You're welcome . I've not seen this documented at length, but it's all to do with the "ref" parameter in Citation and Cite book. In the case of the former, "ref=harv" is hard coded, so if you use it outside of a reference (i.e. in a bibliography or see also section), it will throw an error. In the case of Cite book, if you use that outside of the reference section a problem only arises if you have "ref=harv" set. These errors are normally invisible, to see them you need to add importScript('User:Ucucha/HarvErrors.js'); to your custom Javascript config under preferences. Hope this helps! Best, Philg88 ♦talk 19:26, 27 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Hi and Philg88! The instructions for installing the automatic HarvError detector are at User:Ucucha/HarvErrors. It's one click followed by a copy/paste, so it's simpler than it sounds. Incidentally, there is a way to avoid error messages with the citation template: just add "|ref=none" somewhere inside the template. If you need an abridged footnote (either in the sfn or in the harvnb format) to connect to that bibliographical entry, just remove "ref=none" from the template. For cite book, you have to add "|ref=harv" for the reference to connect to your footnotes. CWH: All of this will sound clearer once you can see those "HarvErrors" for yourself. Cheers! Madalibi (talk) 19:56, 27 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks, and I should have credited you with introducing me to the script in the first place. Note that my comment on the "ref=harv" parameter is related to use outside of the reference section - not when it's used to connect article text. Anyway, I've probably confused the hell out of so let's leave it at that for now! Cheers,  Philg88 ♦talk 19:57, 27 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Oh, no need to credit me with anything! I'm happy you're spreading the word about this useful script. It's just that when you said "your custom javascript config under preferences", I had absolutely no idea what you were talking about, so I jumped in! To : the simplest way to go is to click on Special:MyPage/common.js, which will take to a page called User:CWH/common.js. In your case it doesn't exist, so create that page, and paste this on the first line: importScript('User:Ucucha/HarvErrors.js'); (the entire text in green, including the semi-colon at the end). Save page and that's it: you can see HarvErrors.
 * There's another useful gadget called XTools that is very useful (I see you already have it, Phil). For each page you browse, it lets you know how many authors and watchers this page has, how many times it was viewed in the last 60 days, who created it, etc. To get all this information, you used to have to go to "View history" and click on several links one by one. To get that script, just paste → mw.loader.load('//meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Hedonil/XTools/XTools.js&action=raw&ctype=text/javascript'); ← (not including the arrows) to your "commons.js" page. All right, I hope this all works out. Cheers to you both! Madalibi (talk) 05:09, 28 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes, sorry, that Wikijargon was a bit too assumptive of familiarity with the Mediawiki framework. XTools is a cool gadget, there seem to be a lot of these scripts floating around - one of my favourites is link classifier (see my custom js), which is incredibly useful for highlighting DABs and circular links. I've also tweaked my CSS to display Hanzi in a different font style. Best,  Philg88 ♦talk 05:18, 28 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes, I just saw that "link classifier" on your page while I was writing that and I just installed it. I don't have too many tools installed, so if you see a nifty one around, don't hesitate to let me know! Best, Madalibi (talk) 05:50, 28 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Cool! The two thingamabobs really work wonders! Many thanks to both of you.ch (talk) 19:18, 28 June 2014 (UTC)
 * @: Great, I'm glad it worked! And if you want to try one more of those whatchamakallits, do try that "link classifier" Philg88 is recommending. The instructions are at User:Anomie/linkclassifier. Best, Madalibi (talk) 05:56, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

Shangxinhe
As you seem to be the most knowledgeable participant at the deletion review for the historic town of Shangxinhe, Jiangsu (Deletion review/Log/2014 June 25), I'd appreciate if you'd direct me to a few policies/guidelines/conventions upheld for Chinese-related articles, in order to better my future participation in these sorts of discussions. TLA 3x &#x266d; → &#x266e; 05:52, 26 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Hi there . There are only two Chinese policy guidelines: the Chinese style guide and Chinese naming conventions. Everything else is per the mainstream although a degree of familiarity is required with both the language and the Chinese Internet landscape when assessing sources, notability etc. It's also worth watching the Wikiproject China talk page. If you ever have specific questions that aren't covered in the style guides you're welcome to ask me. Cheers, Philg88 ♦talk 07:08, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

Not a guideline/policy question in the slightest, but I was wondering if you have enough working knowledge with templates to fix that ugly mis-alignment at Template:Tianjin districts. The bottom two categories mis-align, that is. TLA 3x &#x266d; → &#x266e; 06:06, 29 June 2014 (UTC)
 * @ How about now? Philg88 ♦talk 06:40, 30 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Not perfect but it's adequate and well-done nonetheless! TLA 3x &#x266d; → &#x266e; 20:09, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

Magic
Hello Magician, please do some magic here. Thanks,  J i m Carter  ( talk ) 12:46, 28 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Sure, I only have tablet access today so I'll take a look tomorrow. Cheers, Philg88 ♦talk 08:07, 29 June 2014 (UTC)
 * No problem. Don't forget to ping when the magic is complete.  J i m Carter  ( talk ) 20:09, 29 June 2014 (UTC)
 * @ Wand activated, ✅ . Philg88 ♦talk 08:20, 30 June 2014 (UTC)


 * You are great magician. Thank you. Greater than Harry Houdini   J i m Carter  ( talk ) 10:04, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

Delsort
You have sorted this article to a redlink related discussion. Check it.  J i m Carter  ( talk ) 21:21, 30 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Hey . I know. All it means is that Wikiproject Companies doesn't have a Delsort listing page set up. It's supposed to remind me (or someone else) to set one up. Philg88 ♦talk 04:22, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

Searching for titleblacklisted pages
FYI, the change I told you about at User talk:Mr. Stradivarius is now live here. Jackmcbarn (talk) 15:37, 4 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks I was kinda confused by the section heading above when I saw the notification, but this goes to show that the framework can be improved! Best,  Philg88 ♦talk 15:57, 4 July 2014 (UTC)

Hainan Province vs Hainan - a page move at commons
Could you please take a look at this and tell me what you think? Cheers, Anna Frodesiak (talk) 23:55, 5 July 2014 (UTC)
 * . Hmm ... S(He) does have a point. There is certainly a difference between the island (海南岛) and the province (海南省). This didn't use to be a big deal before the disputes over Sansha/Xisha etc. became prominent and this is the official CPC line, so I think that the change should stand. Best, Philg88 ♦talk 03:33, 6 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Fair enough. Many thanks, Anna Frodesiak (talk) 04:57, 6 July 2014 (UTC)

Arbitary Section Break
Hello, I'm back from the Almedalen Week and still in one piece, and I've been (trying) to follow this discussion, but some of it is a bit fuzzy to me. Is this something I have to worry about? I deal with map coordinates all the time in my Template:Gotland County articles. I always have to correct them since most of the existing ones just put everything in the middle of the island, and I use the sexagesimal system since this seems to work in the Infoboxes. Most of the time I just go on line at some mapsite and try to work out what coordinates the center of the locality have. Should this be done in a different way? Best, - W.carter (talk) 09:17, 6 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Welcome back my friend. Are you President of Gotland now :) As for coordinates, I looked at a couple of the Gotland settlements that use coordinates within infobox settlement and they are overly precise. d° m' s" or three decimal places will give you a radius of approx 5 Km (at nearly 60°) north, which I would have thought enough for relatively minor settlements (no disrespect intended). You can tweak your CSS in preferences to show both sexagesimal and decimal coordinates, which is helpful - if you don't know how to do that and would like that functionality, just shout and I will fix it up for you. Cheers, Philg88 ♦talk 10:36, 6 July 2014 (UTC)

Well, not quite President...^^ My role was more of the "Hey, you there, where/who/what/when..." kind. Thanks for clarifying how the coordinates works here. Another cultural difference. (=Things I Like To Know About) I just copied the coordinates from the SweWiki where they adhere to an ancient but still working system in Sweden. Since localities are always growing, changing and so on, we always have a "center" and let the rest fall as it may. All over Sweden you can still see the old milestones marking the distance from the center. Most of them are now within the expanded towns. I'll do some potting around and see if I can get the CSS-thing working and give you a shout if(when) I fail. Cheers! - W.carter (talk) 11:03, 6 July 2014 (UTC)
 * So if I understand this right, tweaking my CSS just alters how things look on my computer, it doesn't "do" anything to the article? And since I am just as happy to work with either of the two systems (converting is no problem) I just think I'll leave the settings as they are. Unless you have some compelling argument about using both simultaneously. Best, - W.carter (talk) 12:00, 6 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Correct,, it does nothing to the article, just makes it easier to see if the coordinates are overly precise. Best, Philg88 ♦talk 12:15, 6 July 2014 (UTC)

Magic show
Please arrange another magic show here, I want to see your magic again. Thanks,  Jim Car ter  12:15, 5 July 2014 (UTC)
 * I mean can you copyedit the above draft??  Jim Car ter  04:21, 7 July 2014 (UTC)
 * ✅ with one request for clarification. The draft needs some references, which you probably already know. Best, Philg88 ♦talk 05:13, 7 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much Phil, I was waiting for your response. I thought you overlooked my request. I will soon add some sources.  Jim Car ter  06:42, 7 July 2014 (UTC)