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Why blame me? Ogress (Zanhe,Kanguole may be his assumed names) is 3rr and reverting in what appears to be a problematic way on two pages:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Princess_Wencheng  and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emperor_Taizong%27s_campaign_against_Tufan. He appears NPOV-breaking, at least that's how I read his edits: anti-China, pro-Tibet. Ogress (Zanhe,Kanguole may be his assumed names) 's recent editing history shows that he is currently engaged in an edit war. And he adds Irrelevant text into page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emperor_Taizong%27s_campaign_against_Tufan. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Xander berkeley (talk • contribs) 09:21, 15 November 2014‎
 * @Xander berkeley:  I'm not blaming anyone, I'm telling you how Wikipedia operates and how you need to edit within established guidelines. As a point of etiquette, you should notify other editors  when mentioning them in a discussion like this. Your message is in part an accusation of sock-puppetry, which is pretty serious and another reason why you need to alter your behavior if you wish to continue editing here.  Philg88 ♦talk 09:24, 15 November 2014 (UTC)

He adds Irrelevant content into page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emperor_Taizong%27s_campaign_against_Tufan. He reverted my edit and started the edit war. But you warned me rather than him. Is it fair?
 * @Xander berkeley:  Life isn't fair. You're not getting the message. I told you on your talk page to discuss the issue regarding the Princess Wencheng article and instead you changed it back again. You've done the same with Emperor Taizong's campaign against Tufan and removed referenced content.  This is disruptive and if it continues I will block you from editing. Clear?  Philg88 ♦talk 11:08, 15 November 2014 (UTC)


 * @Philg88:  The referenced content which I removed is irrelevant content.It should not be added in edit.
 * You are intransigent, refuse to use talk constructively, reply to queries with mocking repetition, accuse me of sock-puppetry, have pretty much double-broken the the three-revert rule on one page alone, and don't seem to be having the same conversation as others around you. You just repeat your position and do not appear even vaguely interested in cooperative editing. Ogress smash! 09:43, 16 November 2014 (UTC)

@Ogress:  I'm assuming that comment was directed at  rather than me :) This is a content dispute, which I'd like to see resolved on the article(s) talk page. That said, if I see continued disruptive behavior by Xb then the block hammer will descend ...  Philg88 ♦talk 09:55, 16 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Yeah he is talking here so I was commenting. Ogress smash! 09:58, 16 November 2014 (UTC)

@Philg88 Why are you ignoring the fact that they added irrelevant content into the article? Xander berkeley (talk) 11:43, 16 November 2014 (UTC)
 * @Xander berkeley:  It's not for me to decide what's relevant and what isn't—neither is it a unilateral decision by you. Go and discuss the issue on the talk page and find a consensus with the other editors that will improve the article and ensure that it is balanced. And play nice.  Philg88 ♦talk 12:44, 16 November 2014 (UTC)

Maps
Hey Philg88, as you were kind enough to reply to my note at the "resting, but not dead" map lab, would you be able to help me with the two requests I had left there a few weeks ago about maps of the Thames for early Boat Race articles? I can do all the technical stuff, but I simply (currently) don't have the software/hardware to achieve it.... The Rambling Man (talk) 21:10, 16 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Sure, but it won't be done overnight - I'll need a few days. As I commented on the two requests, I'd use OSM data to create the SVGs. That OK? Cheers, Philg88 ♦talk 21:33, 16 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Phil, no rush at all, I'd just be grateful for someone to do it whenever they get the chance. Hopefully the requests are clear enough?  Best wishes.  The Rambling Man (talk) 21:39, 16 November 2014 (UTC)
 * @The Rambling Man:  Fortunately, I'm a Brit and quite familiar with the course of the Thames and the Boat Race :) !,  Philg88 ♦talk 05:55, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Splendid old chap! The Rambling Man (talk) 06:02, 17 November 2014 (UTC)

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Pregunta?
Buenas noches Philg88, ya tengo algunos conocimientos para crear paginas y pienso crear People from Guatemala, ademas ya voy avanzando en el ingles, tengo entendimiento en el idioma pero mi escritura y mi fluidez están jodidas :( ,pero me voy a basar en la pagina Nicaraguans, no en todo, solo la forma en que fue creada y la información sera diferente, pero no se si eso esta permitido en las instrucciones que requiere Wikipedia de como crear una pagina, buenas noches compañero :D (Halias 23) 20:18, 18 de Noviembre 2014 (UTC)
 * Hola . Directrices Wikipedia sugieren que el título de este tipo de artículo debe ser Guatemalan people pero ese título redirigir actualmente a Demographics of Guatemala. ¿Hay algo en tu nuevo artículo propuesto que no está cubierto allí? Usted debe evitar la creación de People from Guatemala, ya que sería un WP: CONTENTFORK. Todo lo mejor, Philg88 ♦talk 06:56, 19 November 2014 (UTC)

YGM
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Night Train (composition)
Please don't use the word "consensus" when you mean "majority". Ghmyrtle (talk) 06:30, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
 * @Ghmyrtle:  Majorities aren't applicable on Wikipedia per WP:NOTAVOTE. I meant "consensus", which is why I used the word.  Philg88 ♦talk 06:38, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
 * I know very well that majorities aren't applicable. That's precisely why your decision surprised me.  Ghmyrtle (talk) 06:56, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
 * @Ghmyrtle:  I'm sorry if you don't agree with my decision on this. You are free to take the matter to move review if you believe that I somehow misinterpreted the consensus. Cheers,  Philg88 ♦talk 07:02, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
 * No, it's not that big a deal - I was just surprised at your closing argument. Ghmyrtle (talk) 07:09, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
 * @Ghmyrtle:  No hard feelings I hope—you can't please all of the people all of the time!  Philg88 ♦talk 09:45, 19 November 2014 (UTC)

Chinese source(s)
Hi, suggested your name as someone who can read Chinese. Can you evaluate the Chinese article added as a source to Jannie Chan by ? Does it in fact say what he says it does? Yngvadottir (talk) 00:16, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
 * It's an extract from a study of recent research carried out by the Singapore Hakka Research Association that says very little. More importantly it says nothing about Jannie Chan whatsoever and thus its applicability as a reference is therefore invalid—or as we Brits would say "complete bollocks". Philg88 ♦talk 06:33, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Jannie is actually mentioned on pg. 202 of the pdf. "梁純菁選擇胡文虎、張國林和曾秀麗為新馬客家企業家代表，並認為客家人的確具有創業文化的價值觀，可以滿足成功創業所需的條件. " SmileBlueJay97 talk 09:47, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Indeed, well-spotted. Sorry, I only checked the first couple of pages. For accuracy, she was one of three people selected along with Hu Wenhu and Zhang Guolin. The reference is valid, my bad. Philg88 ♦talk 10:40, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
 * OK, I will add p. 202 to the ref. if no one else has. Thanks both! Yngvadottir (talk) 12:22, 19 November 2014 (UTC)

Conincidence
That we are dealing with 2 link promoters(at least right now). 1. User:Boby1187 2. User:59.180.60.185. I had formally warned Boby1187(see User_talk:Boby1187). Bladesmulti (talk) 16:29, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the heads up I've indeffed  and will wait to see what happens with the IP. Cheers,  Philg88 ♦talk 16:46, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Special:Contributions/Vipul.merinews is doing what these users have done, promotion. I have warned him. Bladesmulti (talk) 16:51, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
 * You're welcome - IP appears to be, also indeffed. Philg88 ♦talk 16:53, 19 November 2014 (UTC)

@Bladesmulti:  Blimey! They're coming thick and fast today. indeffed for spam. Philg88 ♦talk 16:57, 19 November 2014 (UTC)

Young Stunna
Hello Philg88,

Thanks for moving the page Young stunna to Young Stunna. Stanleytux (talk) 07:27, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
 * . Coincidentally, I just left you a message re talk page moves. Cheers, Philg88 ♦talk 07:33, 20 November 2014 (UTC)

The Wall
Hello! Some time ago you said that you might help out with some copy editing when Yakikaki and I were done fixing The Wall. Well now we are, and a bit of your magic touch would be much appreciated if and when you have the time. Yaki is off moving and I'll be at the SOIC, so the article is all yours. Best, w.carter -Talk  18:06, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
 * ✅ . Nice article, well done! Ha det så bra Philg88 ♦talk 09:08, 20 November 2014 (UTC)

ScotlandsPeople
I believe I have a preexisting account - can submit that in the form? Connormah (talk) 06:39, 22 November 2014 (UTC)
 * @Connormah:  I'm not sure how ScotlandsPeople are going to handle this administratively and whether the free accounts will be a separate entity. By all means, mention it on the form in the "non-English wikis" field. Cheers,  Philg88 ♦talk 06:49, 22 November 2014 (UTC)
 * I went ahead and submitted it under my preexisting account (didn't want to make another email address just for this purpose). I've never purchased anything on it (just redeemed some free credit offers from a while back). If it's a problem though, let me know and I will have to make a new one. Connormah (talk) 07:02, 22 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Sure, let's wait and see how things pan out. Philg88 ♦talk 07:17, 22 November 2014 (UTC)

Bhargava
Sorry to bother you but I'm struggling right now to find an admin who edits even occasionally in the India topic area. Things are getting heated at Bhargava and it wouldn't surprise me if there is some meatpuppetry going on, given three different redlinked accounts turning up in rapid succession. Any chance you could add it to your watchlist for a day or two? - Sitush (talk) 10:43, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
 * No problem at all,, I'll take a look. Oddly enough, I was planning to leave you a message this morning over the neutrality of the Punjab, India article. I'm not sure that the tag for the whole thing is warranted - the problem seems to be with the "Economy" section, even though the claims are sourced. I've fixed the problem with the "Transportation" section (I think) but I'd be grateful if you'd have a look and remove the tags if appropriate. Best, Philg88 ♦talk 10:52, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I'm off out for an hour or two but will look at the Punjab thing later, sure. - Sitush (talk) 10:54, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
 * @Sitush:  I've left what I hope was a supportive message on the Bhargava talk page. It seems that  is now claiming that Bhargava isn't a gotra but a grouping of 12 gotras. I don't know enough about this topic area to offer constructive input to the discussion, but I will back you up on matters of policy. Best,  Philg88 ♦talk 11:35, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
 * That's ok. No-one expects you to understand the complexities - just so long as you understand the policies! A gotra is a clan; there can be many gotras in a caste and there can also be sub-clans. Sometimes it is easier to refer to this lot as a "community", simply because it saves us having to got bogged down in detail. I've replied there and am now off to look at Punjab (the article, I'm thousands of miles from the place). - Sitush (talk) 12:36, 18 November 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, I get the clan bit, but I'm missing the in-depth cultural and religious background knowledge. That, of course, is where Wikipedia comes in. I'll keep an eye on what develops at Bhargava. Enjoy The Punjab! Cheers, Philg88 ♦talk 13:22, 18 November 2014 (UTC)


 * doesn't seem to be getting the message. I'm pretty sure this is a meatfarm, working via some community forum. - Sitush (talk) 20:38, 22 November 2014 (UTC)
 * @Sitush:  I've semi-protected the article for a week, which should stop any meatpuppetry for now. Let me know if you think further action is required. And thanks for your work on Punjab, India. Best,  Philg88 ♦talk 21:55, 22 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Ok, thanks very much. Am I ok to revert Suny's last removal of valid sourced info? I think it takes me over the edge. - Sitush (talk) 22:00, 22 November 2014 (UTC)
 * has already reverted, so nothing to worry about for now. Philg88 ♦talk 22:04, 22 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Should I file at ANEW? Suny has removed "The Bhargava community were originally a trading caste ..." etc four times (with small differences) within the last 24 hours if I can count. Sam Sing! 22:08, 22 November 2014 (UTC)

I protected the page rather than block Suny to avoid a potential further backlash from other meat/sock puppets. I doubt if Suny will edit any other articles so blocking isn't really going to help the situation. That said, I'd like to hear what thinks. Cheers, Philg88 ♦talk 22:13, 22 November 2014 (UTC)
 * I doubt it is worth the effort filling in the ANEW template. I've already left the caste sanctions warning, so if they come back to do the same stuff again, I'd just find a willing admin to act per WP:GS/Caste. I've seen this pattern so many times, across so many caste articles, that I've long since given up concerning myself too much with WP:BITE when a group of like-minded accounts register very soon after each other. If Philg88 isn't willing, someone else will be. - Sitush (talk) 22:18, 22 November 2014 (UTC)

Ayuda con una referencia
Hola Philg88. la pagina Spanish Costa Rican, la hice hace mas de una semana pero hay un problema con una referencia y no sabia a quien consultar ayuda, el problema es que busque en Google y me guié por un documento pdf con el titulo (Imprima este artículo - Universidad de Costa Rica), aunque después me di cuenta que es una descarga y en vez de aparecer un titulo web me aparece (file:///C:/Users/Usuario/Downloads/1938-3026-1-SM.pdf), que se podría hacer en ese caso?, Gracias (Halias 23) 16:16, 22 de Noviembre 2014 (UTC)
 * ✅ He asked me too. w.carter -Talk  00:52, 23 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Gracias.  Philg88 ♦talk 07:01, 23 November 2014 (UTC)

About the usage of G6 for speedy deletion
Hello, Philg88. First of all, thank you for moving Ilhabela. Now, I've been thinking: would it have been possible for me, as a non-admin, to add or something like that to that page, so that it gets deleted and I can make the move myself without taking the time of admins? Or it doesn't make much difference if I do it myself or if I request the move? Thank you, Victão Lopes Fala! 20:51, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Hi there, and thanks for the message. As you say, it doesn't make much difference but it's probably quicker to request it at non-controversial moves as an admin is likely to see it more quickly—the page is checked pretty often. Cheers, Philg88 ♦talk 21:44, 25 November 2014 (UTC)

AGR's block
Would you state this block on ANI? For user preference. Bladesmulti (talk) 13:13, 23 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Sure. Philg88 ♦talk 13:19, 23 November 2014 (UTC)
 * @Bladesmulti:  You may care to take a look at Nepal, it seems we have a potentially similar situation developing there.  Philg88 ♦talk 08:18, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
 * I have that page added to my watchlist, I have just reverted him. It looks like he is continously involved in promoting his thought and discriminating others. See the edit history of India, Gautama Buddha( and the talk (page)) It is obvious that he has crossed 3rr, since he has changed pointed content for more than 3 times in 24 hours during the edit dispute. Bladesmulti (talk) 08:21, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
 * As it stands on Gautama Buddha, you are both at two reverts each so please be careful. It seems that we have a clear case of WP:IDIDNTHEARTHAT with regard to Buddha's birthplace and I'm minded to consider this disruptive in light of the other article edits. Philg88 ♦talk 08:44, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes I did two times. He is just misrepresenting a faulty citation(UNESCO) and adding imaginary claims like "He lived most of his life in Nepal", etc, when they are not supported by the citation. Bladesmulti (talk) 09:00, 25 November 2014 (UTC)

I can't take sides in a content dispute to avoid becoming WP:INVOLVED. What I don't want here is for you to end up getting blocked for edit warring. I've left a further message on AGRs talk page, indicating that my patience is wearing thin. Philg88 ♦talk 09:06, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment

Tasks done By Bladesmulti AmRit GhiMire "Ranjit" 02:41, 27 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Undid for (nonsensical and too against the rest of historicity) when I had provided the source and Gautam Buddha has lived more than 15 yrs in Nepal. I had written the same.
 * Undid revision without reason Inclusion of History of India in name of History of Indian subcontinent in History of South Asia South Asia as if whole south asia is contained within India.
 * Undid revision (irrevalent category) But the category for english is relavent.
 * Undid revision (nonsensial)

Of interest: --Neil N  talk to me 03:14, 27 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the heads up, . I see AGR was blocked for a further week while I was catching up on some sleep. Peace now descends on Nepal and the Buddha! Cheers, Philg88 ♦talk 06:35, 27 November 2014 (UTC)

Referencia
Hola PHILG88, acabo de crear dos pagina German Salvadoran y Salvadorans in Guatemala, pero en la ultima pagina que te mencione, hay un problema con la primer referencia, y si se lo que pasa, pero se trata de un libro, y me indica que tengo que poner al autor, pero el libro que consulte, no dice el nombre autor solo dice que lo hizo la ONU y CEPAL. Gracias y feliz tarde (Halias 23) 02:59, 27 de Noviembre 2014 (UTC)
 * @Halias 23:  ✅  Philg88 ♦talk 07:53, 28 November 2014 (UTC)
 * @Philg88:  Gracias :D (Halias 23) 11:16 28/11/2014 (UTC)

Technical page move: Java Servlet to Java servlet?
I noticed you removed the request to move Java Servlet to Java servlet and the page move log says it was moved but the page still has the old title. Was this an oversight? Thanks for your help. Joja lozzo  04:48, 28 November 2014 (UTC)
 * @Jojalozzo:  No it wasn't an oversight. I carried out the move as an "uncontroversial technical request" but it clearly wasn't as  reverted the move. If you still want the article moved you will need to talk to Andy or post a requested move template on the talk page.  Philg88 ♦talk 07:37, 28 November 2014 (UTC)
 * This has come and gone repeatedly over the years. It comes down to, "Does WP's abhorrence for capitalisation override Sun et al. (with sources) treating it as a proper noun phrase?"
 * It's probable, given WP's fondness for inventing neologisms over following reality, that it will end up lowercased. However it's certainly not "uncontroversial". Andy Dingley (talk) 11:56, 28 November 2014 (UTC)