User talk:Philg88/Archive 45

Restore deleted edits?
Hello Phil. To accomplish a history merge, I think the edits at Special:Undelete/Arab New Zealanders should be brought back -- the ones prior to November 2013. Is that OK with you? EdJohnston (talk) 18:11, 12 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi and thanks for the message. No problem - not sure what happened there. Cheers,  Philg88 ♦talk 19:58, 12 December 2015 (UTC)
 * OK. I did the restore of all but one revision (the one that was creating a redirect). Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 20:07, 12 December 2015 (UTC)

Thank you!
Thank you very much for ! Happy holidays!  Paine  04:43, 13 December 2015 (UTC)
 * welcome. Philg88 ♦talk 09:03, 13 December 2015 (UTC)

Season's Greetings
To You and Yours! FWiW Bzuk (talk) 18:20, 19 December 2015 (UTC)
 * And the same to   Philg88 ♦talk 20:04, 19 December 2015 (UTC)

Genghis Khan
His name was Chenghiz Khan. But I don't think that you know the history. Infact, you need to follow the N.C.E.R.T. class VII books of History of C.B.S.E board. And you can get any local publications books for the evidence. Dr.suaro 17:29, 28 December 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dr.suaro (talk • contribs)
 * Hi there and thanks for the message. This is Wikipedia and we don't operate according to any one text book. I've already explained on your talk page what you need to do if you're unhappy with the name as it stands in the article. Cheers,  Philg88 ♦talk 20:38, 28 December 2015 (UTC)

Ocean Flower Island
Thoughts on Ocean Flower Island? Ambitious, isn't it? :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 22:56, 29 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi and compliments of the season to you! OFI certainly deserves a "Wow" in anybody's book. I will communicate my further thoughts via email.  Best,  Philg88 ♦talk 07:52, 30 December 2015 (UTC)

Can you create a copy of this map?
I finally found an accurate map which shows the Kara Khanid Khanate and the Kingdom of Qocho as two separate Kingdoms. Can you create a copy and upload it to wikimedia commons?

page 3

Rajmaan (talk) 00:45, 31 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Hi and thanks for the message. That document has 307 pages and a number of maps. Please can you be more specific and tell me the page number/map title of the one that you want. Cheers,  Philg88 ♦talk 06:33, 31 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Map 1 on page 3.Rajmaan (talk) 17:11, 31 December 2015 (UTC)

Full Measure
Thank you for reverting the previously undiscussed move of Full Measure per my request. Unfortunately, the person whose move you reverted has now "contested" that move by filing a malformed move request (see the talk page). I would suggest the user in question should close that request and file a new one instead, but I was hoping you could tell me how best to carry on. Calidum T&#124;C 19:50, 31 December 2015 (UTC)
 * welcome. I've commented at the article's talk page to keep the discussion one place. Best, Philg88 ♦talk 22:39, 31 December 2015 (UTC)

Happy New Year, Philg88!


Happy New Year! Philg88, Have a prosperous, productive and enjoyable New Year, and thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia. Ceannlann gorm (talk) 16:46, 1 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Send New Year cheer by adding {{subst:Happy New Year fireworks}} to user talk pages.

Wikipedia:Requested moves/Technical requests
(Discuss) – Portobuffolè → Portobuffolé – we're 3 agreeing and 1 opposing after 2 weeks, an admin is needed to move pages entitled "Portobuffolè" to "Portobuffolé" both in English and in all other languages Wikis, please could you do it Philg88? 151.20.64.177 (talk) 09:19, 5 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Based on the rationale of the oppose, I'm reluctant to do the move. We really need an Italian speaking admin to call this one. Sorry. Philg88 ♦talk 10:22, 5 January 2016 (UTC)

Peer Review Request
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Peer_review/Jonathan_Mitchell/archive1

Also, it's very unlikely that the article might be deleted despite the message, so I would like to see your feedback regardless please. Ylevental (talk) 08:27, 7 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi and thanks for the message. Probably best to wait until the AfD concludes. Best,  Philg88 ♦talk 08:35, 7 January 2016 (UTC)
 * For sure, the deletion notice is gone, so if you want to review it feel free to. Ylevental (talk) 16:07, 7 January 2016 (UTC)

mutʿah versus mut'ah
I suppose you saw the comment saying that to revert the undiscussed move, the Fixed-term marriage article should have been moved to Nikah mut‘ah, not Nikah mut'ah, but you don't seem to have done that or to have responded to that issue in your edit summaries. Can you please move it to Nikah mut‘ah? —BarrelProof (talk) 08:09, 13 January 2016 (UTC)
 * That's odd, I though I moved it to the correct location per your comment at the requests page. I've moved it again. Cheers, Philg88 ♦talk 08:16, 13 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks. —BarrelProof (talk) 08:21, 13 January 2016 (UTC)

Premthanjavur
Hi, you indef topic banned last June. They ignored that ban for a while and received several escalating blocks in consequence. They have returned after a long absence and have straight away gone back to pushing their ridiculous pov, the precise thing that earned them the ban first time round. It doesn't look like they really give a stuff about our policies. - Sitush (talk) 13:09, 13 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Hey . Hope all is well with you. Three months respite duly provided from . Best, Philg88 ♦talk 15:53, 13 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I'm up and down, me, but presently on a slight "up" and back editing in some volume. It won't last! - Sitush (talk) 16:02, 13 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Glad to hear it. Let me know if I can help with further instances of intransigence. Cheers, Philg88 ♦talk 16:04, 13 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Well, there is always Arya Vaishya ... Getting hit by anons left, right and centre and never with anything beneficial. - Sitush (talk) 16:24, 13 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Article protected for a month, caste warning issued to the latest "warrior". Best, Philg88 ♦talk 08:47, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

Please type your message title here
Hi Philg88, Thanks for your response.I have just tried to add update based on personal visit to the place. As these are small town, it is very difficult to get the references.All my intention is to make it more accurate and valuable. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vinod.ahir (talk • contribs) 16:36, 16 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi and thanks for the message. Whilst I appreciate your effort to make Wikipedia more accurate and valuable based on your personal experience, that's not the way things work here. Everything we include in the Encyclopedia must be verifiable and based on reliable sources. Since personal opinions or observations do not meet these criteria they can't be used. Best,  Philg88 ♦talk 06:46, 17 January 2016 (UTC)

Disambiguation link notification for January 21
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 * 'Twas deliberate [hint to talk page stalkers follows] since I am not a telecoms expert I have no idea which one it is - only that it should be linked. Philg88 ♦talk 10:15, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

Dzungar genocide
Hi, can you look at this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Dzungar_genocide? Rajmaan is posting clearly biased contents.

Chatterton Baronets
Thanks very much for improving the page on the first Sir James and creating the page on his son. Chrisdoyleorwell (talk) 22:43, 28 January 2016 (UTC)
 * You're welcome, . Alas, there wasn't enough material to create a decently referenced article on his brother, William Abraham, so I had to put what I had in their father's article. BTW, I see your talk page has >200 messages and if you'd like to get rid of the clutter I could set up auto-archiving for you such that only the last ten messages remain. If you're interested, just shout. Best, Philg88 ♦talk 22:48, 28 January 2016 (UTC)

Thanks that would be great Chrisdoyleorwell (talk) 23:33, 28 January 2016 (UTC)
 * ✅ A friendly bot will come along shortly and magically archive all your old messages. Cheers, Philg88 ♦talk 05:43, 29 January 2016 (UTC)

Your edit to the page Arya Vaishya's
If your intentions is to protect Wikipedia with coherent articles then I have a similar view. The article Arya Vaishya had been corrected but you reverted it to the version with errors.

For example: The article talks about a particular community called Arya Vaishya's but gives references to other community not related in any way called the Balijas. What purpose does it serve rather than confuse readers or give misleading information?

Would be glad to discuss this further to make this discussion meaningful! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.172.113.187 (talk) 00:06, 29 January 2016
 * Let me quote 's comment from the edit history of Arya Vaishya: "Stop spamming and put forth points of discontent in the Talk page". I trust that's clear. Philg88 ♦talk 05:49, 29 January 2016 (UTC)

Weird page moves
Howdy Phil! There is a strange situation that, as I look through the logs, seems to be happening every 2 days. A new user is creating a page in their sandbox, then moving an unrelated disambiguation page to the title that matches the subject of their sandbox, editing the disambiguation page to effectively restore it, then copy/pasting their sandbox into the moved article.

That description is probably confusing, so here are the details of the situations (the most recent is first):

User:Jacob of Marshes created text for The Eternity Rose in their sandbox (it's still there).
 * Jacob then moved Failsworth (disambiguation) to The Eternity Rose.
 * Jacob then edited Failsworth (disambiguation) to restore the disambiguation page.
 * Jacob then copied their sandbox and put it in The Eternity Rose.

User:Lametwig created text for Muhammad bin Ibrahim Salamah ‎is their sandbox (it's still there).
 * Lametwig then moved Eastern Bank (disambiguation) to Muhammad bin Ibrahim Salamah.
 * Lametwig then edited Eastern Bank (disambiguation) to restore the disambiguation page.
 * Lametwig then copied their sandbox and put it in Muhammad bin Ibrahim Salamah.

User:Graytheme created text for Greg Becker ‎is their sandbox (it's still there).
 * Graytheme then moved Kaffraria (disambiguation) to Greg Becker.
 * Graytheme then edited Kaffraria (disambiguation) to restore the disambiguation page.
 * Graytheme then copied their sandbox and put it in Greg Becker.

No sandox for this next one:
 * User:Debssin moved QFX (disambiguation) to COS Australia.
 * Debssin then edited QFX (disambiguation) to restore the disambiguation page.
 * Debssin then added over 7k of text to COS Australia.

User:Akram Butt 90 created text for Greg Becker ‎is their sandbox (it's still there).
 * Akram Butt 90 then moved Dabar (disambiguation) to Benhar Office Interiors.
 * Akram Butt 90 then edited Dabar (disambiguation) to restore the disambiguation page.
 * Akram Butt 90 then copied their sandbox and put it in Benhar Office Interiors.

The contributions of each of these editors are only the edits to perform the above. They have no other edits.

At this point, only the minor contribution histories of the two disambiguation pages are in the wrong place, but this seems rather strange. I wonder if this is going on with pages with more substantial histories. As to the inevitable question of why I put this here, I thought that this might trigger a memory of yours or of one of your talk page watchers of a similar situation from the past. -Niceguyedc Go Huskies! 12:22, 28 January 2016 (UTC)


 * These all needs histmerges but I'll leave it for the moment so that people can see what's going on. My first instinct on seeing this is that it is being done by undisclosed paid editors in an attempt to bypass new pages patrol for their spammy, COI articles. It's actually quite smart what they're doing so it wouldn't surprise if this was just a small part of a bigger problem. I think we'll need a checkuser to look into this, pinging . Jenks24 (talk) 12:44, 28 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks . "Circumvention" was the first thing that sprang to mind for such odd behavior. A CU should uncover the facts, and well spotted !. Philg88 ♦talk 12:49, 28 January 2016 (UTC)
 * I've checked, ✅, and blocked all the accounts. See Sockpuppet investigations/Highstakes00.--Bbb23 (talk) 14:04, 28 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Based on the above pattern, there's one more from January 2016 (I've looked through the rest of the month):
 * User:Elisa 193: (Dabas (disambiguation) to Clayton Crooks II)
 * -Niceguyedc Go Huskies! 18:42, 28 January 2016 (UTC)

All sorted, I think. Thanks again for the detective work. Cheers, Philg88 ♦talk 22:51, 28 January 2016 (UTC)

More shenanigans
Pinging for the CU,  for the history merge. From the Draft space now: Also, would any of you prefer that I post this somewhere else? I have a feeling these shenanigans aren't going to stop. -Niceguyedc Go Huskies! 10:53, 29 January 2016 (UTC)
 * User:Graveldi: Draft:TinyCOBOL -> Eternity Rose
 * User:O-j33: Draft:"A Hard Road to Glory" -> Benhar Office Interiors LLC
 * Not surprised they use the Draft + Move now, since those moves are also excluded from New Page Patrol. (Perhaps propose policy change to include those??) I heard about similar moves a while back in the Teahouse. I guess the paid editor has taken the money from their clients and now has to "deliver" any way possible or risk dissatisfied customers. Don't think we've seen the last of this. w.carter -Talk  11:22, 29 January 2016 (UTC)
 * I've blocked the two accounts and restored the two drafts that were hijacked. Bbb23 might want to have a peak his CU goggles to see if there are any other accounts we've missed. Jenks24 (talk) 13:39, 29 January 2016 (UTC)

Hainan Seamen
Oh, yes. You heard right, Hainan Seamen. A football club. Don't get me started on the name. Notable? Sources? Thoughts? Anna Frodesiak (talk) 12:52, 31 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Hmm. Never heard of them. Don't recall ever seeing a football stadium in Haikou and never came across any locals or expats talking about them. Conclude from that what will . Unless there are oodles of Chinese sources out there that article shouldn't be here. Best,  Philg88 ♦talk 13:24, 31 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I'll post at project football and they can take it from here. Cheers! Anna Frodesiak (talk) 23:43, 31 January 2016 (UTC)

User names.
Hello Philg88, I noticed you blocked earlier today. Just minutes before that account was created, a highly similar accountname was created (handy for block evasion). Maybe they have nothing to do with eachother, maybe they do, so I thought I'd let you know anyways. Horseless Headman (talk) 20:45, 3 February 2016 (UTC).
 * Hey, thanks for the heads up. The other account hasn't made any edits yet so it's hard to say if they're connected. We shall wait and see what happens. Cheers, Philg88 ♦talk 22:45, 3 February 2016 (UTC)

Portrait of Mrs Thrale by Reynolds
This a black and white photo of a picture which you have put on wikicommons I believe. Would you happen to know where the original painting hangs? David Titley [I work at Samuel Johnson's Birthplace in Lichfield] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.151.37.24 (talk) 22:55, 4 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi and thanks for the message. Alas, I have no clue but I would imagine there is a provenance list of all paintings by Sir Joshua Reynolds somewhere out there. Sorry I can't be of more help. Best,  Philg88 ♦talk 05:31, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

O Come, All Ye Faithful
Maybe I don't understand how this works. Before the move, the article had a bunch of redirects, now it has one. What will happen to all the uses of the other redirects? &#8213; Mandruss  &#9742;  17:06, 4 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Hey, long time no hear! I think that all the previous redirects pointed to where the article now is and are hence unnecessary. Nothing is ever removed from Wikipedia, it's all there somewhere (except in certain extreme cases, of which this isn't one). Cheers, Philg88 ♦talk 05:35, 5 February 2016 (UTC)
 * The redirects were still pointing at the original title. The double redirect fixing bot has been slow lately, so I cleaned up those redirects. -Niceguyedc Go Huskies! 05:53, 5 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the info . Philg88 ♦talk 05:57, 5 February 2016 (UTC)
 * long time no hear! - Yes, I think of you whenever I visit Motor Torpedo Boat PT-109 (just the other day, actually). So long ago, so far away... &#8213; Mandruss  &#9742;  10:52, 5 February 2016 (UTC)
 * ...In a galaxy far away. I'd forgotten about that map so thanks for the trip down memory lane . Best, Philg88 ♦talk 12:26, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for your support

 * welcome. Acquisition of the mop was well deserved. Feel free to drop by any time. Best, Philg88 ♦talk 06:37, 6 February 2016 (UTC)

Nordic Resistance Movement flag
User:Budimir Jermolov keep introducing the wrong party flag on the Nordic Resistance Movement can you please stop him. i have a source proving the correct version http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/flags/se%7Dnaz.html Dannis243 (talk) 12:10, 8 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi there and thanks for the message. I have warned  about edit warring and I suggest that both of you use the article's talk page to resolve the issue.  Philg88 ♦talk 15:46, 8 February 2016 (UTC)


 * User:Dannis243, your "link" have nothing to do with the Resistance Movement, it´s a flagproject. It´s not a part of NRM. I just added the right version, and you started it...--Budimir Jermolov (talk) 20:01, 8 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Guys, please take your discussion to the appropriate venue while keeping it civil and within Wikipedia rules. Thanks. Philg88 ♦talk 22:45, 8 February 2016 (UTC)

William Schaw Lindsay
Hello Phil. You've pre-empted me! I've been intending to start a Wiki on WSL for ages but, being an inexperienced wiki editor I've given it a low priority. In association with Bill Lindsay, WSL's g-g grandson, I'm attempting to write WSL's biography. I'm about a quarter of the way through the task. It's a vast subject and I've got an incredible amount of information including most of Hilda Kirkwood's transcribed versions of WSL's Journal which I've converted to Word form. I hope you won't mind my contributing to your article. Regards, Robert Cutts, Bristol UK Bristol Filer (talk) 09:15, 17 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi there and thanks for the message. You're more than welcome to contribute to the bio of this remarkable individual. If you need help with formatting or other Wikipedia matters of style and content, please feel free to ask. Don't forget that you will need references for anything that you add. Your goal should be to get the article to good or featured status! Cheers.  Philg88 ♦talk 10:26, 17 February 2016 (UTC)

More on Lindsay
Hello Phil. I've added more details of WSL's parliamentary career in the opening paragraph. I've also linked to constituencies rather than towns. I would like to cite Clark pp 292-294 at the end of this paragraph but I can't work out how to do it. Please help! The next thing I propose to do is to add detail to the opening paragraph of the Career section. It would start something like (revised since last night): "Lindsay was born in Ayr in south-west Scotland, the youngest by five years of the five children of Joseph Lindsay, a merchant of Ayr, and his wife Mary, née Belch. A few months before the birth, Joseph’s business failed. He took to drink, left the family and died four years later. When Lindsay’s birth was due, his mother, by then homeless, was given temporary shelter in the manse of her brother-in-law, the Rev William Schaw. He was the minister in Ayr of the Burgher Secession Church and his wife, Janet, was Mary’s older sister. The birth took place during a violent nocturnal storm in the early hours of 19 December 1815. On New Year’s Day 1816, Lindsay was baptised by his uncle. Soon after, he was taken by his mother to the Gorbals in Glasgow where, for 10 years until her death in 1825, she eked out a living taking in lodgers. During that time, Lindsay’s schooling was rudimentary. After his mother's death, he returned to Ayr where, for five years, he was brought up by his uncle and aunt. They sent him to Ayr Academy where a distinguished new rector, Dr John Memes had just been installed. . . . " The citations for this would come mainly from the Lindsay collection in the Caird library at Greenwich ( http://collections.rmg.co.uk/archive/objects/531575.html ). They would have batch numbers such as LND/35/1 Followed by the page numbers. If you think this too much detail, please say so, but I must say that he such an important person that he deserves to be treated in an appropriate way. Regards, Robert--Bristol Filer (talk) 18:50, 19 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Welcome back When you want to cite a website use the  template - click on the link to see the documentation. That said, there is a problem with what you propose since the link you provide only provides an overview of WSL, not the specific details you propose to add. What you need to do is to find a specific citation in a relevant book, website or newspaper and use the appropriate template (Cite book, Cite web or Cite news). If you're unclear about anything don't hesitate to ask. Cheers,  Philg88 ♦talk 07:53, 20 February 2016 (UTC)

Citation problems with the Lindsay collection at the Caird library
Thanks Phil. Yes, I can see there's problem with the Caird library documentation. Hilda Kirkwood's transcriptions of Lindsay's Journal (which are held there) are not published on-line and I don't think the Library has any intention of doing this in the future. As I told you, I've further transcribed them into Word form. I've also put PDF versions on my Google drive both of Kirkwood's original typescript and of my transcriptions of them of them. I would be happy to put them in the public domain, but I need to get permission from the Library first. I'm going there early next month and I will put the idea to them. However, they weren't very happy about it last time I broached the matter a couple of years ago. Meanwhile, you're welcome to view them yourself providing you don't put them on-line. To be able to have access to them you would need to give me your email address or some other identification. By the way, Clark made many references to documents in the WSL collection at the Caird Library. If he can do that, I don't see why I shouldn't do the same. After all, anyone who wants to can go to the Caird Library and see them themselves. My citations would give a batch number such as LND/35/1 along with the particular page number(s). Regards, Robert (or Bob if you like). PS – Sorry this is all in one paragraph. I don't know how to do a carriage return! --Bristol Filer (talk) 08:57, 20 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Sources don't have to be online as long as cite a specific reference, so providing you use the batch/page number there won't be an issue. Of course, if the library would release the documents to Wikisource that would be so much the better. As for Clark, he wasn't writing for Wikipedia ... Best,  Philg88 ♦talk 10:28, 20 February 2016 (UTC)

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Hello again Phil

I'm still having trouble with constructing a reference for the Caird Library items. I didn't find any of the four templates satisfactory so I thought I'd copy the format of the American Papers reference that you added. But, when I click on [edit] in the References section, it isn't there! Then I looked at the Wiki of Lindsay's friend Richard Cobden. That has 33 notes in the Reference section but, when you click on edit, you can't see any of them! Please tell me where they are. How can I edit an existing reference (if I wanted to) if I can't see it?

Btw, Bill (WSL's g-g grandson, William Stewart Lindsay) is currently transcribing The American papers of W S Lindsay 1861-1866 with the introduction by Dr. Geoffrey Seed, University of St Andrews [Scotland]. Do you know if they're the same as the American Papers at University of Missouri? If they're already transcribed, I should let Bill know before he waste any more time on the job.

Sorry to be a pain, Bob--Bristol Filer (talk) 16:07, 20 February 2016 (UTC)
 * No problem,, editing Wikipedia has a fairly steep learning curve to start with. References don't appear in the "References" section but rather in the text where they are enclosed by a pair of tags. If you click on the small upward pointing arrow to the left of the reference in the "References" section that will take you back to where the reference appears in the article text and you can then edit the appropriate section. Sorry, I have no idea about the American Papers, maybe you could send an email to the University to ask. Best, Philg88 ♦talk 07:17, 21 February 2016 (UTC)

Problems! Problems! Problems!
Thanks yet again Phil. I really do appreciate you're help – and I am learning slowly. I do most of my learning by copying the format of other people's work. It certainly was a bit difficult to do it that way in the case of the references!

I now have a problem of a different sort. I'm afraid that there are a few errors in the WS Wiki as it stands (for example the ship he took to Liverpool was not a collier, she was the George Burns packet steamer, the Glasgow which sailed from the Broomielaw Quay in Glasgow direct to Liverpool ). I attempted to put them right piecemeal (working off-line) but found it more satisfying – though certainly not quicker – to start from scratch. The process has resulted in what, if I continued in that vein, would become a very long article. I've only reached the point at which he gives up his life at sea and yet have written over 3000 words. The problem is – and, as problems go, it's really quite a pleasant one – that his life was incredibly interesting. At the rate I'm going it would be about 12,000 words in all. As a comparison, here are a few examples of articles and their word lengths:


 * Richard Cobden Wiki (his life was relatively short – like WSL he died aged 61) – 6500


 * John Bright Wiki – 7800


 * WE Gladstone Wiki – 12,800


 * Michael Clark's Northern Mariner Lindsay article – 12,800


 * Michael Clark's chapter on Lindsay in his History of Scotland book (not online but I have a copy of it) – 6400

I would feel quite bad about merely replacing the work you have done so far. The alternative would be to go back to the piecemeal method. I would welcome your thoughts on the matter. To help you make a judgement, by the end of this morning I will put what I've written so far on my talk page – if I can work out how to do that! If you're really unhappy about what I'm doing I would put what I'm writing on a separate website, probably a Google one. A link to that site could then be put in the WSL Wiki for the benefit of anyone who wants more detail. However, I must say, that would not be my favourite solution.

Best wishes, Bob --Bristol Filer (talk) 10:25, 21 February 2016 (UTC)

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Hello Phil

I've done the whole thing, it's on my sandbox at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Bristol_Filer/sandbox although the latter part needs some more detail. It's not as long as thought it would be – about 3400 words. The estimate I made was based on a miscalculation! Sorry to alarm you. I reckon when I've expanded the last pat it'll be 5000 words. I'm busy italicising the ship names and doing indents.

Regards, Bob — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bristol Filer (talk • contribs) 12:59, 21 February 2016 (UTC)


 * I'm assuming that your Sandbox contains only a draft. What you have created has no references, insufficient internal links to relevant topics and needs to be broken into sections with an appropriate headings. There should be a minimum of one reference per paragraph. Removing/replacing referenced content is a retrograde step, so I would advise that you try and integrate your work with what is already there rather than aiming for wholesale replacement. Cheers, Philg88 ♦talk 14:43, 21 February 2016 (UTC)

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Yes it's a draft, Phil. I'm currently adding links and references. I'm also adding the material in the existing article into the draft rather than the other way round. I will in any case keep everything in the sandbox until you approve it. The references are going to take quite a long time. Regards, Bob --

PS I'm not actually new to Wikipedia editing. I've been doing it for about five years. But I've only made the occasional minor edit. I don't know why I'm called Bristol filer. It wasn't my choice but I'm sticking with it. Bristol Filer (talk) 15:08, 21 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Sounds good. Please give me a shout when want me to take a look at it. Best,  Philg88 ♦talk 16:12, 21 February 2016 (UTC)

References for the volumes of Lindsay's Journal
Hello Phil – yet again!

I think I've sorted this problem out for myself. Time will tell.

I would like to have dedicated references for each of the five volumes of Lindsay's Journal. The first seemed to be successful so I tried using that as a template to enter the other four volumes simply by incrementing the numbers by one each time they occurred. It looked neat and tidy but, as I'm sure you'll see, it didn't work! What did I do wrong? The system told me there was an error and took me to Missing |lastn= in Authors/Editors list. To me that page was imcomprehensible. Help! – but no panic as I've plenty of other work to do on the project. BW, --Bristol Filer (talk) 19:03, 21 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Hey Rob, I'm not going to have a great deal of time today so I'll ask  to help you with this. You will be in good hands. Best,  Philg88 ♦talk 06:49, 22 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Ay ay, Captain! I'll reply on my talk page where I see you have left me a message. Cheers, w.carter  -Talk  09:10, 22 February 2016 (UTC)

A thought...
Just brainstorming now: I got this, The Robert Lowe, from during today's session. A very interesting website he apparently have made. Now, he's interested in writing an article about that ship here on the WP. So... Is there a way, if he is interested, that he could first release his text on the website with a proper Commons license and then just copy the text to a draft here. While it is a draft, the refs could be inserted as inline citations and the text could be wikiied. I think this could save a lot of time and rewriting to avoid the possible hassle with copyvio of his own text. Thoughts? Later, w.carter -Talk  16:08, 22 February 2016 (UTC)


 * Please give me time to finish it first!


 * I've added the proposed Elliott replacement to my sandbox --Bristol Filer (talk) 17:10, 22 February 2016 (UTC)


 * Relax Bristol Filer, it was just an idea I was floating since I was impressed with the article on the website. It was meant as a compliment. There is no hurry. Did you see my note on your talk page about multiple sandboxes? This will make the editing easier for you. w.carter  -Talk  17:20, 22 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Hey, I don't think the copyright issue can be resolved since Wikimedia servers have to (I think) be the host of written material (which is always PD-OLD 70 or 100), i.e. it cannot concurrently reside on a third party host that originally held the copyright. My main reason for this thinking is that since it would work the other way round under CC 3 SA, it cannot work the other way. Hope that makes sense. It's been a long day ... Best, Philg88 ♦talk 22:57, 22 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Ok, thanks for a sage answer as always. I didn't know the copyright stuff worked so differently for text and pics. So, we'll figure something out when/if that day comes. Cheers, w.carter -Talk  18:18, 23 February 2016 (UTC)

Freedom of the press in Russia
Hi Philg88

Thanks for moving the article Freedom of the press in Russia, as I requested. However, it appears the talk page Talk:Freedom of the press in Russia got left behind in the process! Please could you move that as well. Thanks &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 12:27, 3 March 2016 (UTC)
 * ✅  Philg88 ♦talk 12:38, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

DEMOGRAPHICS OF Villupuram
HELLO ! I FEEL THAT THE POPULATION OF Villupuram IS NOT EXCEEDS ONE LAKH TILL DATE BY ANY GOVT. RECORDS... PLZ VERIFY.....REFERENCE GIVEN IS JUST A DATA-EXCEL SHEET OF URBAN AGGLOMERATIONS NOT MUNICIPALTY PROPER. THANKS 08:54, 6 March 2016 (UTC)
 * No need to shout. Philg88 ♦talk 12:20, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

Question about vandalismus
Hello Philg88, on my list of articels I looking at is Endoscopy. Now is a new edit in the article which I am not sure it ist advertising or vandalism. Please tak a look at it. I don't not what to do, yet. Systematic review on training in endoscopy - Best.--Maxim Pouska (talk) 08:17, 10 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Hello, nice to see you! I'm not sure what you're asking me to do here. As far as I can see there is no vandalism to the article and the link added at the talk page is presumably to encourage someone to improve the article. Other than that I can't see anything wrong but if there is then please let me know. Cheers, Philg88 ♦talk 08:32, 10 March 2016 (UTC)
 * OK - I asked because I did not know how to look at this. Now I know. Thanks.Best.--Maxim Pouska (talk) 08:59, 10 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Hello, I had to take a look as well. :) Maxim, the link is to an article in a medical journal (a very good source). It is a common practice that when someone finds things for an article they might not be working on themselves, they leave a link to that site on the talk page. Perhaps you should read it and see what you can find. w.carter  -Talk  09:20, 10 March 2016 (UTC)
 * I looked via the link at the information - but that is not my job :-). Best.--Maxim Pouska (talk) 10:14, 10 March 2016 (UTC)

Re Iris acutioloba
Thank you very much for saving my article from speedy deletion ! Think I was very tired last night when I moved it ! DavidAnstiss (talk) 17:43, 12 March 2016 (UTC)
 * You're welcome . Keep up the good work with articles like that one! Cheers, Philg88 ♦talk 22:07, 12 March 2016 (UTC)

Follow up on LGBT rights in Taiwan RM
You recently moved LGBT rights in Taiwan (ROC) to LGBT rights in Taiwan following a move discussion. Could you also please move e corresponding talk page, Talk:LGBT rights in Taiwan (ROC)? Thanks. —  AjaxSmack  00:07, 13 March 2016 (UTC)
 * ✅ Philg88 ♦talk 06:38, 13 March 2016 (UTC)

Endoskopfotografie in der Architektur
Hello  my article Endoskopfotografie in der Architektur in de:wp is now on the main page. I put the information for the translation on the disk of the article Architectural endoscopy. Please take a look. Best.--Maxim Pouska (talk) 05:06, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Sorry, but I'm confused. You haven't edited the Architectural endoscopy article since January - do you mean you want me to look somewhere else? If so where? Best, Philg88 ♦talk 07:41, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
 * sorry - the old article Architectural endoscopy is still OK - nothing new. But now is the artikle in German WP on the main page - just this morning. Because of the translation from german into english (long time ago) I put this morning the Box with the translation info on the talk page of the english article. Please take a look at the talk page, and I hope it is all OK. Thanks and best.--Maxim Pouska (talk) 08:31, 14 March 2016 (UTC) PS my mentor and admin in German ist very busy and he need all the time to correct and control my article - bevor the article was put on the main page.--Maxim Pouska (talk) 08:31, 14 March 2016 (UTC)


 * (butting in as usual) From what I can see the German article is not "on the main page" (Hauptseite) but "in the main space", Maxim. And Philg88, "the disk" is short for "Diskussion" which is the German word used for "talk page". Cheers, w.carter -Talk  08:43, 14 March 2016 (UTC) (busybody translator)
 * Ah! Alles klar  (and, the English talk page looks fine)  Philg88 ♦talk 10:33, 14 March 2016 (UTC)

Technical moves
You're always on the ball and so quick with those page moves! Thanks!! :-)Cebr1979 (talk) 07:52, 17 March 2016 (UTC)
 * welcome. We Never Sleep! Cheers, Philg88 ♦talk 08:02, 17 March 2016 (UTC)

A bit supervotey
This seems highly irregular, and looks like a WP:NSUPER, in which case I object to it, and it should be reverted. The proper process to dispute a properly closed RM that ran its course is WP:MR. No actual WP:ENGVAR issues apply at all; that guideline appplies to mainspace content, not template names. We routinely move them, when the are part of a set, into consistency with each other for maintenance reasons. Even if ENGVAR's "retain" provisions could be extrapolated this far (they cannot; it's very explicitly only about the content at a particular mainspace article), the rule is that it applies when change would be arbitrary and without a good reason; template name consistency in mainspace templatespace is a good reason, ergo RETAIN would be satisfied. Furthermore, the idea that -ize vs. -ise is a US vs. UK matter is false; -ize is not only acceptable in UK English, it's preferred in academic/formal writing (Oxford spelling); the -ise form is primarily used in fiction and journalism. At least 2/3 of the involved were certain this could have been speedied; I full-RMed it specifically to avoid any drama; that should not be turned on its ear to manufacture some where none exists. — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼  03:52, 22 March 2016 (UTC)


 * Hi there and thanks for the message. My comment was made in good faith and was in no way an attempt to override consensus. I simply recused myself from carrying out the move as uncontroversial. Now that you've presented an extended rationale I will move it. Cheers,  Philg88 ♦talk 05:58, 22 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks, and I meant no insinuation of bad faith. That's why I linked explicitly to NSUPER, the one kind of SV that is good-faith and generally not problematic as a class, just sometimes as an instance. (In fact, I worked on that page yesterday to make it clearer that NSUPER stands out as different; yesterday it has no list of types of SVs, just a decrying of them, and a section on NSUPER that was quite hard to parse (that part still needs copyediting).  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼  06:15, 22 March 2016 (UTC)

So maybe I went a bit too far
It really is a photo from an exhibition of posters for exhibitions, hence my caption "Exhibition poster exhibition...". But since the average reader may not get that, your ce was probably better. Thanks for correcting it. <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:DarkBlue">w.carter <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:DarkBlue">-Talk  20:49, 26 March 2016 (UTC)
 * No problem, . Although you were technically correct in the description it just didn't scan right - "poster exhibition" is probably more digestible to the average reader, and that's how it was captioned on the one other article that uses the same photo. Cheers, 20:58, 26 March 2016 (UTC)

Please enter your message title here
"Your recent edit to the page Azadirachta indica appears to have added incorrect information, so I have removed it for now. If you believe the information was correct, please cite a reliable source or discuss your change on the article's talk page. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. Philg88 ♦talk 10:52, 22 March 2016 (UTC)

I posted a link to all the research, I didn't think I had publish thoughsands of pages of research just to correct one line. I don't believe it to be correct it IS correct and I left a link to all the research, am I supposed to post all the data too? ok here are the titles if you want more than go look at it yourself it's open to public veiws. I only wanted to make a simple correction not publish a decades worth of research.

Archivio della ricerca dell'Università di Modena e Reggio Emilia Search EnglishEnglish Search Current search criteria THC Results 1-10 of 10 (Search time: 0.008 seconds). Title	Issue Date	Author(s) 1	Valutazione della percentuale di d9 THC nelle preparazioni clandestine	2004	M. licata; P. Verri; G. Beduschi 2	9 THC content in illicit cannabis products over the period 1997-2004 (first four months)	2005	M. LICATA; VERRI P; BEDUSCHI G 3	Plant-derived cannabinoids modulate the activity of transient receptor potential channels of ankyrin type-1 and melastatin type-8	2008	L. De Petrocellis; V. Vellani; A. Schiano-Moriello; P. Marini; P.C. Magherini; P. Orlando; V. Di Marzo 4	variazione del contenuto di delta-9- tetraidrocannabinolo (THC) nella cannabis in Europa: revisione sistematica della letteratura	2010	F. Cascini; S. Martello; M. Licata; G. Di Tanna 5	Combined use of waist and thigh circumference to identify high-risk,, abdominally obese HIV+ patients. 2012	O’Neil T; Ross R; Zona S; Orlando G; Carli F; Garlassi E; Stentarelli C; Mussini C; Guaraldi G 6	Analisi polliniche e chimiche sulla “Spice Gold”	2009	I. Pretto; L. Forlani; C. A. Accorsi; E. Del Borrello; F. Rossi; M. Garagnani 7	The upper zone of the Ivrea-Verbano layered complex (Italian Western Alps)	1983	Mazzucchelli M. 8	Cannabimimetic activity in rats and pigeons of HU 210, a potent antiemetic drug	1999	FERRARI F; A. OTTANI; GIULIANI D 9	Two different marker panels for microsatellite instability analysis in detection of constitutional MLH1 and MSH2 mutations. 2002	Pedroni M; Borghi F; Lamberti I; Scarselli A; Menigatti M; Ponti G; Benatti P; Losi L; Di Gregorio C; Abbati G; Rossi G; Roncucci L; Ponz de Leon M 10	Two different marker panels for microsatellie instability analysis in detection of constitutional MLH1 and MSH2 mutations. 2002	Pedroni M.; Borghi F.; Lamberti I.; Scarselli A.; Menigatti M.; Ponti G.; Benatti P.; Losi L.; Di Gregorio C.; Abbati G.; Rossi G.; Roncucci L.; Ponz De Leon M.

if you want more than that go read it for yourself or keep Wikipedia a bastion of ignorance and wrong information, I don't really care because I know the truth I'm not trying to convince anyone I have more important things to do.

As the vandalism accusation I find it extremely insulting. I don't recall editing Aluminium arsenide and if I did I surely wouldn't "vandalize" so I want to know what it was you considered vandalism? Please. I'm getting tired of bullsh*t warnings and threats go ahead and block me I'm through trying to better Wikipedia.

This is your only warning; if you vandalize Wikipedia again, as you did at Aluminium arsenide, you may be blocked from editing without further notice. Philg88 ♦talk 10:54, 22 March 2016 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Middled (talk • contribs)


 * This looks like vandalism to me. Philg88 ♦talk 21:06, 27 March 2016 (UTC)

This day's This Special Day's article for improvement (day 1, month 4, 2016)

 * Wow ! What an interesting creature. Coincidentally, I'm planning to go wild haggis hunting later and hopefully I will run across a Skvader too.  Philg88 ♦talk 05:02, 1 April 2016 (UTC)

Follow up on Sorkočević (family) RM
You recently moved Sorkočević (family) to Sorgo (family) following a move discussion. Could you also please move the corresponding talk page, Talk:Sorkočević (family)? Thanks. — <span style="border:1px solid #000073;background:#4D4DA6;padding:2px;color:#F9FFFF;text-shadow:black 0.2em 0.2em 0.3em"> AjaxSmack  01:40, 9 April 2016 (UTC)
 * ✅. Philg88 ♦talk 05:32, 9 April 2016 (UTC)

Edit warring at Koreans in China
User:Hkboy99 started edit warring one month ago at Koreans in China, deleting referenced information and adding off topic additions and making unsourced garbage out of thin air (such as claiming Koreans participated in the Jingkang Incident) and after being reverted and warned multiple times, he created User:NHK1212 to edit war and make the exact same changes to the article. The article needs semi-protection.Rajmaan (talk) 02:40, 9 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Article protected for one week - I've also blocked for disruptive editing. If  reappears you might want to file a report at WP:SPI. Cheers,  Philg88 ♦talk 05:48, 9 April 2016 (UTC)

Dungan Revolt (1862–77)
Dungan Revolt (1862–77) also needs semi protection. IP addresses are making NPOV edits on religion and making up facts.Rajmaan (talk) 17:43, 10 April 2016 (UTC)
 * ✅. Philg88 ♦talk 21:03, 10 April 2016 (UTC)

Southend Africa
For me this sounds strange, is it really a often used term?--Stone (talk) 13:09, 15 April 2016 (UTC)
 * My guess is it's a typo and should be "Southern". Without knowing the context I may be wrong. Philg88 ♦talk 16:15, 15 April 2016 (UTC)


 * Your edit in the Antimony article from today.--Stone (talk) 17:31, 15 April 2016 (UTC)


 * Weird. All I can think is that as the edit was done on a tablet, the predictive text input picked up a rogue touch and changed "south" to "southend". Anyway, fixed now, thanks for spotting it. Philg88 ♦talk 04:56, 16 April 2016 (UTC)