User talk:Philip Sugarman

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Hi. Thank you. This is a work in progress. All statements will be fully referenced in due course. Philip Sugarman (talk) 19:44, 17 June 2021 (UTC) Hi, I have uploaded a picture of Doug richford supplied by his son. I took a phone pic of a photo print. I have uploaded this but got the usual copyright gobbledegook back. Despite endless reading about creative commons etc I simply do not know what to type where or what to click on to solve this license issue. Can you help?

thanks Philip

Niche but nice
Hi Philip: I really must congratulate you on your extremely thorough and dedicated work on History of the Jews in Kingston upon Hull‎‎. I only stumbled on it by accident, perhaps through some check or other I sometimes make, and I have enjoyed watching its continuing and careful development. Well done and thank you for all your very hard work! Cheers DBaK (talk) 20:18, 29 August 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for your kind comments. Any suggestions for improvement very welcome. Philip Philip Sugarman (talk) 21:07, 29 August 2021 (UTC)

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Notice of Conflict of interest noticeboard discussion
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The Jews of Leeds
Hi the article creator wants the article redirected. Why are you reverting? Mccapra (talk) 16:38, 26 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Hi - I don't think the change of title is justified, it sounds inappropriate, almost dismissive - what is the reason for the change? Philip Sugarman (talk) 17:05, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Well it’s consistent with other articles on Jewish history. In any case you shouldn’t keep just flipping it back without discussing it either on the article talk page or in the talk page of user:747pilot. Mccapra (talk) 18:44, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
 * There are more pages entitled "Jews of" in wikipedia as far as I can see, so that point doesn't hold at all. And you flipped/tried to the flip the title without any discussion, whilst I was editing. And the software insisted at the end of two major edits that I make a choice between versions. I did not accept your title as you gave / I saw no reason at all, but I did accept constructive changes by others such as categories. Philip Sugarman (talk) 19:54, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
 * I’m afraid I didn’t realise you were editing it, so I should have looked. User:747pilot asked me on my talk page why his page move wasn’t working and I redirected it to resolve the issue he raised. Anyway we now have two near-duplicate articles which isn’t going to stand, so there needs be a discussion about the preferred title. Mccapra (talk) 20:57, 26 December 2021 (UTC)


 * OK thanks for your intervention Philip Sugarman (talk) 21:12, 26 December 2021 (UTC)

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 * In this case the title Countess of Harewood is what is needed, so the disambiguation page, which lists a series of incumbents, is perfectly appropriate Philip Sugarman (talk) 15:13, 5 January 2022 (UTC)


 * You might already know this, but "DPL bot" is a bot (a program), so it will not see your reply. Your reply is great for historical reasons though.  Cheers. 73.127.147.187 (talk) 10:37, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

Splitting articles into list and history
Hi Philip,

What would you think about splitting History of the Jews in Kingston upon Hull and History of the Jews in Leeds into an article and a list each? That would result in four articles: History of the Jews in Kingston upon Hull; List of Jews in Kingston upon Hull; History of the Jews in Leeds; and List of the Jews in Leeds. This would resolve several issues currently facing the articles, including WP:BLOATED, WP:OVERCITE, and WP:PAGESIZE. Each article already has portions that would lend themselves well to a list format. See for example List of Jews in sports. As a general note, even there each entry only has one ref to back it up; for noncontroversial assertions that's generally all that's needed.

Thanks, Lkb335 (talk) 15:33, 5 March 2022 (UTC)


 * Hi yes I will look at this option, thanks Philip Sugarman (talk) 15:39, 5 March 2022 (UTC)
 * I see there is a wikipeida page on how to split articles, but like so much else in wikipedia I find it very technical. I am away for a week and will study it on return. Do you have any basic tips on how to split articles most efficiently - so as not to have to re-enter references? thanks Philip Sugarman (talk) 22:48, 5 March 2022 (UTC)
 * I'll propose a split on each article's talk page. Lkb335 (talk) 16:01, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

Conflict of Interest with History of the Jews in Kingston upon Hull and Original Research
Please advise whether you have a conflict of interest with the topic, as you appear to be using yourself as a source for content including entirely inappropriate original research which are cited as "personal communications".Slywriter (talk) 20:00, 6 March 2022 (UTC)


 * Disappearing for a month then editing the article without addressing the Conflict of Interest is in poor form. Please answer this question or it will be escalated.Slywriter (talk) 23:02, 12 April 2022 (UTC)


 * @Slywriter Hi. Have been busy. Sorry if I have broken any rules in contributing to Wikipedia. I do my best to find references which meet all requirements, used my own book as a last resort as best I recall. Sorry it seems to have upset you. Suggest you just delete offending references. No problem. Keep up the good work 😃 Philip Sugarman (talk) 18:21, 13 April 2022 (UTC)

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"The Leeds Jewish Community"
Hello, in History of Jews in Kingston upon Hull you have used "The Leeds Jewish Community" as a reference (currently no 70). The date of publication is quoted as 1988 but I cannot find that book, is it a typo and should be 1998? Thanks. Keith D (talk) 13:38, 20 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Hi Keith
 * Certainly Murray Freedman publishes multiple books, chapters and pamphlets about the Jews of Leeds, som privately. I think this is the full reference: M. Freedman (1988) "The Leeds Jewish Community" pp. 161–174 in L. S. Tate (ed) Aspects of Leeds ISBN 1-871647-38-X
 * thanks for your interest.
 * Philip Philip Sugarman (talk) 16:43, 21 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Keith
 * Actually, I see that the first edition is 1998, indeed you are correct. It looks like I had picked up this error from the City of Leeds wikipage, which I have just corrected, as I was keen to use the earliest date for an overview work by Freedman. I don't have all of his publications..
 * Philip Philip Sugarman (talk) 16:54, 21 January 2024 (UTC)

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