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Explanation, please?
"along with a warning to not change infobox parameters": If you'll take a moment to read my edit summary, it was a polite request, not a warning. I did not make any accusation of policy violation. I did not say anything about vandalism. I did not suggest any threat of block or other sanction. My exact words were "Please don't tinker with infobox parameter", which is not a "warning". Please assume good faith. "reverted him for what appears to be no more reason than you liked the previous version better": If you'll take another moment to look at the version of the infobox before and after his edit, you'll see that his edit removed part of the important information in the infobox. Specifically, before his edit it read: "Last: Pope Benedict XVI, 19 April 2005 - 28 February 2013". After his edit it read: "Since February 28, 2013". It's not uncommon when an edit removes important information, especially without explanation in an edit summary, that edit is reverted.

Now, I'll assume good faith that you hastily fired off your message to me without looking at these details and thank you for that message, misguided as it might have been. Have a good day!. Cresix (talk) 15:40, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

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A concern about checkuser and oversight
Hi Philippe, I have a concern related to an issue I believe you've commented on before on behalf of the Foundation.

Risker is keen to see the Arbitration Committee appoint non-administrators to the Audit Subcommittee. This committee oversees the use of checkuser and oversight, and its members are given access to the CU and oversight tools themselves. It has happened once before that a non-admin was appointed, though it didn't work out and lasted only a few weeks, as I recall.

It concerns me that this should be proposed, because it means that the committee – elected from a very small number of candidates, sometimes with close to just 50 percent of the vote – would be giving the CU and oversight tools to editors who have never gone through any form of election. My recollection is that the Foundation insists that editors with access to deleted revisions submit to an election that is at least as rigorous as the RFA process; that is, those with access to deleted revisions should be administrators, or should have been chosen to have access to deleted material in a way that is similar to applying for adminship.

My question to you is: does the Foundation have the same minimum requirement for access to the checkuser and oversight tools? SlimVirgin (talk) 19:26, 16 March 2013 (UTC)
 * CheckUser and Oversight indicate the minimum requirements globally. --Rschen7754 19:35, 16 March 2013 (UTC)


 * Sorry, I should have made clear that I'm asking only about the English Wikipedia. So far as I know, it has no CUs or oversighters who aren't admins, so the proposal to appoint one without an election that is equivalent to RfA (with the same consensus requirement) is a concern, particularly as it seems to clash with the Foundation's position on deleted revisions. I've just realized that I've asked this on Philippe's personal account so perhaps I should move it. SlimVirgin (talk) 20:33, 16 March 2013 (UTC)

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Illegal protection state
I notice that per ] you have placed PC2 level protection on an article, citing "office action". While I am cognizant of the implications of an office action, PC2 is not a permitted protection state on English Wikipedia. I have upgraded the protection on the article to "full" pending your action to set the protection at one of the permitted protection states: semi, PC1, PC1 plus semi, or full. I thank you in anticipation of your cooperation.&mdash;Kww(talk) 01:33, 24 January 2014 (UTC)
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 * It's not an override, Newyorkbrad. I chose my action carefully so as to not override an office action. Had I reduced the protection, I believe that I would have been in violation of WP:OFFICE. By increasing the protection until Phillipe determines an acceptable protection level for the article, I ha ensured that all protection that the office required has been maintained and the article is safe from any form of disruption that the office was seeking to prevent.&mdash;Kww(talk) 03:58, 24 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Designated Office actions must not be unilaterally reversed, ever, and certainly not without your having even consulted with anyone. It is true that raising the article's status to full-protected was less blatantly irresponsible than unprotecting would have been, but there was no need to suddenly take any action at all, especially without checking with anyone. I will wait to see if Philippe or Legal have any response before taking any action here, but I caution you not to ever, under any circumstances, negate or modify another Office action in this fashion again. Newyorkbrad (talk) 04:09, 24 January 2014 (UTC)
 * "Less blatantly irresponsible"? Are you seriously arguing that office actions set a maximum protection level for an article and admins cannot increase the protection? Note that I did not even remove the PC2 protection that was in place, as it is rendered harmless by the full protection.&mdash;Kww(talk) 04:23, 24 January 2014 (UTC)
 * KWW, I am astonished at the absolute lack of judgment that was displayed here. The OFFICE policy has always been a bold, bright line for this policy, and this is the first time I can recall that anyone has altered an OFFICE action that was so marked - when it hasn't been blatant vandalism.  I want you to know that I just spoke to the legal team about your actions and asked them what to do.  To my eyes, I see two things here:  a violation of the no-alteration rule as it pertains to the OFFICE policy, and a violation of the protection policy (unless, of course, you can independently demonstrate that the article deserves to be fully protected in accordance with that policy - in which case, you should present that evidence now).
 * We select the level of action very specifically and with a great deal of care. If you have a problem with it, you're invited to contact us prior to taking action.  That's the minimum standard expected of any admin when overriding an action, much less an OFFICE action.
 * On any other wiki, I'd be removing your tools right now. However, on this wiki, because there is a functional Arbitration Committee, I'm going to, instead, refer this to them for them to determine what sanction to take.  You should take this advice:  before altering an OFFICE action, talk to the Office.  That should be obvious to any admin who exercises the minimum standard of care on this project.  I further point out the notice at the top of the talk page, which says:

"This article is the subject of an action performed under the authority of the Wikimedia Foundation. Under no circumstance are editors to remove this protection or edit in an attempt to circumvent the letter or spirit of it. Any attempts to provide such information will result in the reversion and suppression of the edits made, and the user in question may be blocked for an indeterminate length of time. Questions regarding this action may be left here, addressed to the Foundation at legal@wikimedia.org, or addressed to Philippe Beaudette. This restriction will remain in place pending further instruction from the Foundation. For more information, please see WP:OFFICE."


 * , may I ask you to take this matter to the committee? If the committee would like further information, I stand at your disposal.  Philippe Beaudette, Wikimedia Foundation (talk) 05:06, 24 January 2014 (UTC)
 * I await the interesting definitions of "circumvent" and "remove" that would have to be applied to make my actions improper. You installed a protection level that was impermissible under our protection polices. That protection has been increased, not removed or circumvented. Had you shown respect for our policies at the time you installed the protection, the difficulty would not have arisen.&mdash;Kww(talk) 05:31, 24 January 2014 (UTC)

Your use of improper protection levels, reversion to improper protection levels, and inappropriate use of WP:OFFICE policy to attempt to prevent increases in protection on articles has been noted at an Arbcom case.&mdash;Kww(talk) 05:57, 24 January 2014 (UTC)

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You wrote in your log for this account that you "Added pending changes to Conventional PCI, which staff rights didn't give me the permission to do." It seems User:Carcharoth doesn't see any technical reason for that. Perhaps you should clarify what the issues are, probably on the ArbCom page for everyone to see. Thanks, Someone not using his real name (talk) 17:42, 28 January 2014 (UTC)

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 * EdwardsBot (talk) 12:04, 3 February 2014 (UTC)