User talk:Pi.1415926535/Archive 8

'''This is an archive of past discussion threads on User talk:Pi.1415926535, from March 2017 (the end of Archive 7) to September 2017. Please don't modify it. If you wish to revive a discussion, please start a new section on my main talk page and link to the discussion here.

Illinois Zephyr and Carl Sandburg
(Moved from commons:User talk:Mackensen) I'm not sure why I didn't move User:Mackensen/Illinois Zephyr and Carl Sandburg into the mainspace. I might have been waiting to see how the merge of Illini and Saluki shook out. I'll propose the merge in the appropriate place. Mackensen (talk) 16:38, 25 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Well, one reason is that I didn't integrate the Carl Sandburg specific history, such as it is. Mackensen (talk) 16:47, 25 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Okay, sounds good. I'll help out where I can. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 18:14, 25 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Not sure when I'll get to it; I found an article about the VGN EL-C and got distracted. I've also got some conference proceedings coming in about the M-K TE70-4S... Mackensen (talk) 21:24, 25 March 2017 (UTC)

Hyde Square (MBTA station)
The link to the Hyde Square extension (currently pointing to Green Line "E" Branch – a non-existant section) in the template:Massachusetts Bay Transportation Authority needs to be fixed. Useddenim (talk) 01:06, 30 March 2017 (UTC)


 * ✅ Thanks for reminding me. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 01:11, 30 March 2017 (UTC)

Croton–Harmon station (aka Amtrak templates)
Sorry about the template changes, I discovered a broken terminus template on the Croton–Harmon article, it had been sitting like that since 2012. the term for "New York" was still on a double redirect to "New York City, a name not displayed, causing "terminus" to not display. I just fixed it here, so everything should be fine now. Cards84664 (talk) 22:08, 3 April 2017 (UTC)
 * No worries, the s-rail templates can be a bit tricky. I wouldn't necessarily be opposed to having the display text show Penn Station if you thought that'd be better, but it would be worth having a wider discussion first. Also, I'd recommend using the notemid parameter for specifying when services were withdrawn, and keeping the branch parameter for geographic branches of the service. That probably doesn't matter for most purposes, but it might be good to keep them separate in some cases. Cheers, Pi.1415926535 (talk) 22:52, 4 April 2017 (UTC)

South coast rail
Please stop changing the south coast rail page the edits I did is totally right and I worked very hard on the page thank you Scott19982 (talk) 04:55, 18 April 2017 (UTC)
 * You have been directly copying text off the MassDOT website. That is a copyright violation and is not allowed. Your spelling and grammar are atrocious and far below the quality of writing expected on Wikipedia. I appreciate you trying but you need to do far better. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 04:56, 18 April 2017 (UTC)

Hey I have a question for you do you know when the South coast rail when it was under the service of the new Haven Railroad what was the date of the closing of it ? Scott19982 (talk) 02:52, 20 August 2017 (UTC)

Editnotice
FYI, I've published Railfan editnotice (generic, for both rail- and bus-fans). To see it in action, try editing MTA Regional Bus Operations bus fleet. Feel free to use it for MBTA articles - but since you're not a template editor, you won't be able to deploy it yourself. If you want, just let me know and I can put them up for you. – Train2104 (t • c) 16:38, 4 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks for taking the lead on creating this! If you could put it up on MBTA Bus I'd be very appreciative - it's the only MBTA article that gets a truly awful amount of cruft. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 16:59, 4 May 2017 (UTC)
 * ✅ – Train2104 (t • c) 17:10, 4 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Could you put this up on San Francisco Municipal Railway fleet as well? There's a ridiculous amount of cruft there which I'm slowly working to remove. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 20:21, 12 August 2017 (UTC)
 * ✅ – Train2104 (t • c) 21:48, 12 August 2017 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Wachusett (MBTA station)
The article Wachusett (MBTA station) you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Wachusett (MBTA station) for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already been on the main page as an "In the news" or "Did you know" item, you can nominate it to appear in Did you know. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Mackensen -- Mackensen (talk) 19:21, 6 May 2017 (UTC)

Hyundai Rotem articles
I was doing cleanup and bumped into Rotem Bi-Level Cars and Rotem Commuter Cars. They appear to be near duplicates of each other, and covering the same topic. I'm not sure which title is the best; another solution might be merging to Hyundai Rotem. Thoughts? Mackensen (talk) 20:52, 14 May 2017 (UTC)
 * One of the articles was CSD'd and deleted. &mdash; JJ  Be  rs  17:34, 23 May 2017 (UTC)
 * I would certainly support a merge (possibly even a bold merge given the small size of the article). The Metrolink and Tri-Rail orders appear to be the same equipment, but the MBTA order was not the same design. If I recall, there is precedence for merging relatively unimportant rolling stock like this. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 17:43, 10 June 2017 (UTC)

Light rail in North America
We could use more eyes at Light rail in North America. Thanks. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 03:10, 17 May 2017 (UTC)

Question
Do you think this is good for it's corresponding article? Any suggestions? &mdash; JJ Be  rs  02:31, 21 May 2017 (UTC)


 * This looks like a good start. Since this is a trail diagram, I don't think you need to show too much of the railroad infrastructure - that can go on different RDTs for the rail lines. I would also show the Colchester spur in its entirety (since it's part of the Air Line Trail), and perhaps have a better symbol for the Hop River Trail junction. Also, don't forget about the section north of Putnam (although that may be better as a separate RDT). Pi.1415926535 (talk) 14:40, 24 May 2017 (UTC)
 * All right, I'll continue working on it in my sandbox. &mdash; JJ Be  rs  19:36, 26 May 2017 (UTC)

DYK for Wachusett (MBTA station)
Mifter (talk) 00:49, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

Boston & Maine RR in the Merrimack River Watershed
I was surprised by your deletion of the Merrimack River template from the Boston & Maine article, and I am taking the liberty of restoring it. If you check river and railway geography, you will find the B&M main lines crossed the watershed and a major fraction of railroad mileage was within the watershed. The residents of the watershed relied on B&M for transportation; and B&M suffered damage, delays, and lost revenue whenever the river flooded. Thewellman (talk) 20:07, 3 June 2017 (UTC)
 * I see your point, but I'm not convinced that it's useful with the current state of the B&M and Merrimack River articles. Neither article contains any mention of the other, making the connection less than intuitive. The B&M did parallel the Merrimack for much of the river's length, but it never had a connection or competition as intense as the B&L/Middlesex Canal, NH&N/Farmington Canal, or NYC/Erie Canal. There were some interactions between the rivers and the railroad, but not as much as the New Haven Railroad and its waters (several lines, notably the South Shore Railroad and the Air Line, were permanently lost after hurricane damages, and the bridging of the major rivers were significant events not completed until 1889). Meanwhile, the crossings at Newburyport, Haverhill, Lawrence, and Manchester were all completed by 1850 without substantial difficulty. Additionally, the template seems to be more about the watershed's geography and hydrology (as most river templates are), rather than merely about the whole area enclosed (which might have more connection to the B&M). Pi.1415926535 (talk) 03:06, 4 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Rivers, lakes, and (later) canals were important means of transportation. Rivers of Europe and eastern North America were sources of hydropower, boiler water, and cooling water for industrial development.  Rivers remain important sources of water for drinking and agriculture. Their drainage basins may be a more intuitive basis, though less widely recognized, than the political subdivisions often used for organizing territorial distribution of geographical features.  Although there is an obvious significance to the net of rivers defining the basin, the habitation centers and other infrastructure listed in the template are similarly separated by the high ground between drainage basins. I suggest the drainage basin concept should be accepted as an equally valid alternative to political subdivisions, rather than uniquely requiring any non-geographical tie to the features contained. Thewellman (talk) 05:17, 4 June 2017 (UTC)

Map help needed
As a trial run, I tried adding a multi-level pushpin map to the article Museum of Fine Arts, Boston. It works, except that I can't figure out how to suppress the superfluous "Location within Boston" captions that seem to be automatically generated. By contrast, the article Fearless Girl lacks this visual clutter, which is most visible when one clicks on the "Show all" radio button in the MFA article. Searching for the word "within" in the Wikisource for the MFA article turns up nothing, so it must be coming from some kind of automatic default option.

I haven't been able to figure out what is different between the two examples, and a quick search for more documentation on Wikipedia's pushpin maps didn't find much of use. I'm hoping you can fix the immediate issue and/or point me to better documentation on how to use this feature. Reify-tech (talk) 14:43, 10 June 2017 (UTC)


 * I also found the article Arlington Street Church, which uses the feature and works well with the parameter "locmapin = Boston#Massachusetts#USA", but when I paste it into the MFA article instead of "pushpin_map       = Boston#Massachusetts#USA", it doesn't work at all. There evidently are some odd interactions which I haven't found documentation for yet.  Reify-tech (talk) 14:52, 10 June 2017 (UTC)


 * Unfortunately, I'm not sure how much I can help. Unlike some other templates (infobox NRHP being a good example), infobox museum doesn't seem to have good support for the multilevel maps. They're both very complex templates and thus beyond my abilities; I would ask for help on the Infobox museum talk page, or at the Technical Village Pump.


 * P.S.: produces , which makes it easier to write out wikisyntax on talk pages. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 17:27, 10 June 2017 (UTC)


 * I guess I've found something to baffle even you! Thanks for the   hint; you are as ever helpful! Reify-tech (talk) 17:47, 10 June 2017 (UTC)

South coast rail
It's true Phase 1 is supposed to stop at montello but your right about it being proposed for decades but I keep reading the news about it it looks like it's going to happen but who knows when it will actually happen but anyway I like what you did by the Route diagrams Scott19982 (talk) 23:23, 18 June 2017 (UTC)

Springfield (Massachusetts) Union Station
Hi Pi...where are you seeing that Amtrak is still using the Lyman Street entrance and waiting room as the main station for Springfield? When you enter the renovated Union Station, Amtrak is there along with informational signs and the tunnel connects the two portions. I don't know that I would call the Lyman Street entrance the "main" entrance. Even if they are still using the waiting area up on the platform, the station for all intents and purposes is Union Station now. If we can agree on that, I think my edit should stand as it is now the current status as opposed to a future status. Dbroer (talk) 12:50, 27 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Every news article I've seen only mentions PVTA moving this week, and the Amtrak site still uses the Lyman Street address. However, since (if I'm reading correctly), you're saying that Amtrak access is now from Union Station - even if the ticketing and platforms aren't complete - then your edit was entirely right and I apologize for the hasty revert. Cheers, Pi.1415926535 (talk) 05:50, 28 June 2017 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Budd Metroliner
The article Budd Metroliner you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Budd Metroliner for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already been on the main page as an "In the news" or "Did you know" item, you can nominate it to appear in Did you know. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Bob1960evens -- Bob1960evens (talk) 16:41, 2 July 2017 (UTC)

Mysterious PATCO Speedline station revisited
Remember this PATCO Speedline picture you asked about? I never found any answers, but the geotag places it on 11th Street. -User:DanTD (talk) 13:12, 8 July 2017 (UTC)



The problem is that it cannot be 9th-10th - this is obviously a transfer station. There's a Broad Street Line sign behind the PATCO sign at right, which means this has to be one of the other three downtown Philly stations. GPS is extremely unreliable in cities and especially underground, so I wouldn't read anything into that geotag. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 21:20, 8 July 2017 (UTC)

Kingston Plymouth and Middleboro Lakeville line
Please stop changing the Middleboro Lakeville boxes and please stop changing the Kingston Plymouth lines to please I'm putting it back to where it belongs Scott19982 (talk) 07:26, 10 July 2017 (UTC)
 * I have explained to you multiple times that those boxes DO NOT belong in the "line" field of the infobox, and you have ignored me. The "line" field is for the physical railroad line, not the named service, as I previously posted on your talk page. The Middleborough/Lakeville Line and Plymouth/Kingston Line are named services operated by the MBTA; they are not the names of physical railroad lines. You have been making numerous bad edits - incorrect dates, false information, etc - and I am absolutely fed up with it. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 03:34, 11 July 2017 (UTC)


 * I apologise for giving you a hard time but the boxes do belong there when it was the old colony railroad then it would be the Plymouth branch and the old colony main line just like the green bush line I know that line very well Scott19982 (talk) 03:52, 11 July 2017 (UTC)
 * You're not listening to me. The names I am putting on the articles are still the names of the physical railroad lines. The names you are adding are not the names of the railroad lines, and never have been. Local knowledge or not, if you cannot understand that distinction, you need to stop editing the articles. You are not adding useful information; you are making articles worse. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 04:01, 11 July 2017 (UTC)


 * Pi.1415926535 is correct; the line parameter is for physical infrastructure, not services. This edit of yours conflates the two and isn't correct. Mackensen (talk) 11:46, 11 July 2017 (UTC)

Green bush questions
I like what you did about the Surface level with one tunnel but isn't East Weymouth station elevated? Scott19982 (talk) 04:57, 12 July 2017 (UTC)
 * East Weymouth is on a short section of embankment, but I would not classify that as "elevated" - elevated implies bridges or more substantial embankments. Honestly, that information doesn't usually need to be in the infobox for commuter rail lines - it's only useful for lines that have significant portions underground, trenched, or elevated (i.e, usually rapid transit lines). Also, please, it's Greenbush, one word. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 05:07, 12 July 2017 (UTC)

Scott19982
There is an open sock-puppet investigation -->. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Morphenniel (talk • contribs) 09:27, 13 July 2017 (UTC)

Expediter of the year award is huge!
Why was my Expeditor of the year award deleted? This is a huge award in the trucking industry. Everything you receive is brought by a truck. The device that was used delete me was brought by a truck. If you put my name in Google. Followed by expedier of the year. You'll see how huge this is. It's a life title that I'll hold. Expediter of the year 2017. Robert Burton Explorer088 (talk) 02:26, 25 July 2017 (UTC)

Help requested
Hey Pi,

I need your help with something WP:TRAINS-related. So currently I have List of Metra stations as a Featured List Candidate. One of the concerns brought up about the list was not specifically defining scope/inclusion criteria. Think you could take a look at the list to see if you have any ideas? If so it would be much appreciated.  Sports guy17  ( T •  C ) 22:22, 6 August 2017 (UTC)
 * I'll try to take a more careful when I've got a bit of time. I don't know too much Metra history, but as a first thought, if its funding history is similar to other major systems, then "stations served anytime after the start of public subsidy" may be a useful delineation. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 06:33, 9 August 2017 (UTC)
 * No rush on that front. As for another task at hand, do you have any suggestions for how to improve the "History" section of Belmont Center (MBTA station)? I am hoping to get it to GA status, but there's a lot of work needed on the history section in order for that to occur.  Sports guy17  ( T •  C ) 17:30, 11 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Belmont would take quite an effort to get to GA, though I'd help where I could. I would recommend looking through local history (the library has a nice list), especially in regards to the circa-1907 grade separation process. That would have involved a huge amount of construction, possible state legislation, and of course the construction of the new station. As a NRHP-listed building, the NRHP documentation should be very valuable both for historical and architectural details (the latter of which the article is currently missing entirely). I hope that gets you started. Cheers, Pi.1415926535 (talk) 05:53, 13 September 2017 (UTC)
 * That's precisely what I need. As of right now, Belmont Center is not a major priority of mine, but once I finish some of those things up, I'm happy to overhaul the history section, which is by far the weakest part of the article. When I do try to get it to GA status, I hope it looks something like the Wedgemere station article. Like Wedgemere, Belmont's a smaller station in terms of size (even though Wedgemere gets three times as many passengers as Belmont Center), but nonetheless, it's something to work off of.  Sports guy17  ( T •  C ) 14:08, 13 September 2017 (UTC)

Based on a comment in an Afd....
...I'm seriously wondering why some of the stops on L Taraval have articles of their own. Not the ones with infrastructure, or actual visible buildings, stairways, &cet, but the ones that are no more than a marker sign and a loosely-followed habit of stopping nearby there. Despite your anachronistic...indeed, heretical, views on terminology, most of your work is fairly useful, and before I just XfD these, I'd like your opinion on whether they are worth keeping, or they just keep getting edited out of habit. Anmccaff (talk) 19:18, 8 August 2017 (UTC)
 * It's funny that you should choose that line in particular - the L Taraval Rapid Project will add boarding islands to most current stops. Check your email in a few minutes. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 06:39, 9 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Well, I didn't choose it, it was chosen for me; someone wrote, roughly, "Well, whatabout this other article? Huh? It lists stuff that's just bus-stops, and they all have their own articles! Huh? Huh?!" So I looks,and sees.
 * Me, I'd do those as subsections of the line article, even with the islands, if I were doing it...but I'm not doing it, and can see the case for little stubs for each of them, too. That's something for discussion on the article, though, not for a simple AfD.
 * Thanks. Anmccaff (talk) 14:36, 9 August 2017 (UTC)

Greenbush line
How come you have South shore Railroad on most of the greenbush line? I also know that you don't like me at all honesty I don't care about edits and who makes them all I like is the truth  Scott19982 (talk) 02:56, 9 August 2017 (UTC)


 * It isn't the truth, if you just listened to what he has told you you would realize the errors of your edits. Anthonyt31201 (talk) 00:06, 13 August 2017 (UTC)

Station layout
I found New London Union Station layout by you and I think it is awesome. I'm strongly interested in and have made such layouts of stations. Have you contributed more? Do you have a list of your works? How did you figure out what the stations are like? Do you have any advice on making them? Thank you!江漢思歸客 (talk) 17:36, 18 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the kind words! I've only made a handful of station diagrams like this, though I have made a number of other RDTs for full lines. My primary source for track layout is Google Maps, plus either in-person observation or published track maps when possible. I often find it helpful to sketch out a plan on graph paper to get the geometry in place before I start actually coding it. Cheers, Pi.1415926535 (talk) 05:30, 19 August 2017 (UTC)
 * May I view all the station diagrams? How do you get published track maps? This is exactly what I'm interested in about railway. I have made some diagrams of stations in China here zh:User:江漢思歸客/Sandbox as well as some in Australia and Washington Union Station, Boston South Station here zh:User:江漢思歸客/Sandbox/US. I wonder your opinion if you are interested. I'm in US now and plan to make more diagrams of stations in US. 江漢思歸客 (talk) 06:22, 19 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Sorry, because of the limit for templates, you have to check an old version to view my drafts of Washington Union Station and Boston South Station https://zh.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:%E6%B1%9F%E6%BC%A2%E6%80%9D%E6%AD%B8%E5%AE%A2/Sandbox/US&oldid=28194274.江漢思歸客 (talk) 06:33, 19 August 2017 (UTC)

Brockton mbta station
Hello I'm new to Wikipedia and I apologize for any inconvenience I've caused by the Middleboro Lakeville line I thought it's was I didn't know it was the Middleboro main line again I apologize Infiniti0571 (talk) 22:02, 17 September 2017 (UTC)