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Chobits References
Unfortunately, I only own the first three volumes of the manga, and I believe (please correct me if I'm wrong) you already have those references covered. Is there anything specific that needs doing in the process of making the Chobits characters page a GA? I'm still pretty much a novice when it comes to anything beyond a minor edit on Wikipedia. MelicansMatkin 17:44, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

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Peanut butter
Hi, in case you're not already aware of it, your peanut butter picture is being used at X without attribution and with an "all rights reserved" notice, meaning they're not complying with its licensing. —Angr 20:39, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I only noticed because there's a comment on the image's talk page suggesting you may have lifted it from them. But I knew your photographs well enough to be pretty sure you wouldn't do that; besides, your image is much higher-resolution than theirs. —Angr 21:13, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

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List of Wikipedians by number of total starsList of users by number of total stars
I have just started a article with the title mentioned above. Perhaps it would be interesting contributing\starting with me to this list; it might be fun if their is some kind of a competition between several users, to be on top of that list! Maybe some people would go and work harder, do more, contribute more, and vandalise less! Not take it 'too seriously; its just for fun, and feel free to add yourself to the list! So, what do you say?

the Old and respectable Kashwialariski 16:17, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

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Sub-page in article-space categories
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Nice!
Great picture. I guess this is not possible with a normal Point and shoot camera, right? Very clear, and nice closeup. --Matt57 (talk•contribs) 14:04, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

LOLWIKI
OH HAI I USED UR IMAGE - David Gerard 22:33, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

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Wikimania in Atlanta!
Mike H. I did "That's hot" first! 09:39, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Don't stare
Dude, stop staring into my soul. You're freaking me out! 86.120.236.174 19:40, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

dude!
nice cloud pics, but they seem slightly unnatural, as the sky seems to gradient from blue to cyan to white! well done!

AfD nomination of Chimping
An article that you have been involved in editing, Chimping, has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Articles for deletion/. Thank you. -- Ben 22:51, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Chobits images
I don't think adding rationale boxes will fix our problem. Betacommand or whatever his name is a very strict constructionist when it comes to Wiki policy. To him, there is no room for interpretation or exception. He has already removed the images from many character articles. We might as well just label the images for deletion.PiccoloNamek 20:24, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I think that part of the problem is that the rationale is not up to date. They are being used in the articles because there are no free-use images in the domain.  Under Wikipedia policy, doesn't that qualify the images as Fair Use?  If it doesn't work and Betacommand removes them again, well then it's my time that's been wasted.  But at the very least we can try by updating the rationale.  And since Betacommand has not clarified what he means by "abuse", if they are removed from the articles again we could always ask for clarification from another administrator.  I figure that we might as well try it and see what happens.  MelicansMatkin 20:30, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
 * He has specifically stated in the talk pages of other character articles that such images are unacceptable use under WP:NFC and WP:NFC. I disagree, but he is so utterly strict in his interpretation that arguing with him is useless. I don't think Beta is an admin himself, but he has admins do his dirty work if people try to revert his edits.PiccoloNamek 20:36, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I can slightly see his reasoning under WP:NFC, although I personally feel that it does add to the article.  I can't see his rationale under WP:NFC at all though; I mean, we aren't using baseball cards are we?  These images are the only way to portray the characters.  I suppose this is just a matter of interpretation of Wikipedia policies.  However, there is still a matter of WP:Consensus.  I feel that Betacommand's rationale on these images is shaky at best. MelicansMatkin 20:54, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

Just remember that he threatened to have people who reverted his edits blocked. He also directly stated that image rationale was irrelevant. See the characters page for Camp Lazlo. "They were not removed because of their rationales.", "NFC is not allowed in lists.", and in the edit history "YOU WILL BE BLOCKED". Apparently there is no possible defense. He also did the same thing over at the Avatar the Airbender character page and many others, with impunity. I think we're fighting a losing battle, personally.PiccoloNamek 21:13, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
 * A user can't be banned for having a different interpretation than he does, and he is in no position to make such a threat. Wikipedia is built on reasoned discussion and consensus, not the opinion of one member. The removal of those images would be detrimental to the article/list. WP:NFC is only relevant if it fails WP:NFC.  Whether they do or not can only be decided through discussion.  MelicansMatkin 21:18, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
 * "Whether they do or not can only be decided through discussion." I wish that were still true, but in today's Wikipedia we have reached a point where single individuals (and their bots) are capable of wielding an extraordinary amount of power on their own without regard to such things as consensus and discussion. They won't take no for an answer and will punish you for resisting. Betacommand has even left vandalism warnings on people's talk pages for reverting his edits! I've been looking through some of the talk pages he has been posting on, and all of his answers to people's complains are short and curt, and always with references to non-free image criteria. He refuses to discuss anything, and all of the other editors seem to give up without a fight each time. Perhaps they just knew when they were beat. I can't see him making an exception for our article, regardless of how well thought-out our arguments are. Perhaps I'm just getting cynical, but I've really had it with Wikipedia lately.PiccoloNamek 22:45, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I feel the same way about today's Wikipedia, but this is one editor who will not give in without a fight. We have both made many respectable contributions to Wikipedia, and no administrator would ban either of us for disagreeing with another member over interpretation of Wikipedia policy.  If Betacommand refuses to discuss, then that is his own issue as the floor has been opened for a discussion on the matter.  Betacommand will be mistaken if he places a vandalism warning template; those are only to be used when vandalism occurs, not a difference of opinion.  There is a big difference between adding "hugfrtyjtfyqwhu Diiiigiiiimooon  rats" and a content dispute.  No vandalism template covers the latter, which is what appears to be happening now.  If Betacommand chooses to place such a template on my talk page then it is nothing more than a misunderstanding of the template's purpose, and an abuse of power. MelicansMatkin 22:53, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Edit: By the way, that was an excellent comment and rationale you made on Talk:List of Chobits characters. MelicansMatkin 23:03, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

Well, it looks like the world is over! Or perhaps not. I still plan on doing everything I can to make the article a good article within the new restrictions that have been placed upon us. Primarily, I am still interested in adding those references and citations. The only reason I haven't done it already is because I simply could not get the citations to work when used within a body of text. Nothing I tried would fix it, so I had to write out the citation manually within the reference tag. Of course, using citation tags is completely optional, but still. Check out User:PiccoloNamek/Test to see what I've done so far and tell me what you think. If you agree that it's OK we can start moving the references into the main article.PiccoloNamek 15:55, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I think that those two references look very good. I certainly don't see a reason for them to not be added.  As time passes and more references are made, the article will start looking better.
 * I had a thought though; this issue occurred because the article is list. So why not create actual articles for some of the major characters in the series?  The pictures could still be incorporated that way (none have been removed from pages such as Bart Simpson, Charlie Pace, or Fox (Farthing Wood)).  I don't think that there would be any length or content issues for either Chi or Hideki. Jima and Dita could be incorporated into one article (much like Team Rocket (anime) contains Jessie, James, and Meowth).  Freya could go under Chi, and Sumomo and Shimbo could also be put into one page. MelicansMatkin 16:12, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

The problem with this is that many, if not most of the sub-articles would be very lacking in content. I'm not sure we could justify separating the main article into separate character articles. There is only so much plot information you can add before it becomes too much, and such articles are strong attractants for fancruft and superfluous information; two things I have been trying hard to avoid and reduce. In order for such articles to work, we would need a great deal of legitimate out of universe information and critical commentary, which I am not sure exists in sufficient quantities. I fear that such an action would reduce the overall quality of the content.

And I've been thinking: if somebody really wanted to know what these people look like, couldn't they just open a new tab and do a quick google image search? When you think about it, the actual informative quality of the article hasn't been harmed that much.PiccoloNamek 16:27, 5 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Very true. Still, would you mind very much if I were to make a test page for Chi, or Jima and Zeta, to see how well it could possibly translate?  It may be better to test the idea before creating an actual article, or decide not to create one at all.  It's true that the actual quality of the article hasn't degraded much, but I would still like to test this out to see how well it can work. I think that it may be difficult to do, but also very possible that a detailed and informative article could be created without being too fancrufty. MelicansMatkin 17:11, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Subpage edit
Thanks for warning me that pictures are not allowed in subpages and removing it. I certainly don't want to get into trouble with a madmin over a policy that I wasn't aware of. Lets see if I can get this test page done before the image becomes orphaned. Thank you again for letting me know about that policy! MelicansMatkin 20:22, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Chi Test Page
Thank you so much for helping me to create this test page. It's looking a lot more professional because of it. How do you think it's coming on so far? Is it looking too fancrufty, or about right?

P.S. Heh, do you remember that huge argument we had right after I joined Wikipedia, about Ueda's "persocom wife." MelicansMatkin 00:39, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I do. It actually popped into my mind the other day when all of the nonsense about the images started... I'm not sure if I mentioned this at the time, but "persocom and wife" also signifies the dual roles she plays in his life. That of a persocom he has purchased to perform tasks in his store, and that of a wife whom he loves.

Hehe... ;)

About the Chi page, I think it has great potential as long as unverifiable statements and speculation are kept out. Soon, I will start adding some real references with citations into the text. Be sure to tell me if you feel that I'm stepping on your toes at all during the process. Some things I'd like to mention at least in passing are Chi's special abilities, such as the ability to levitate, move objects without touching them, and of course, her concussive blasts. Perhaps some kind of abilities section... or perhaps a section would be too much. I will find some way to integrate the information into the article.PiccoloNamek 00:56, 7 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Oh, I don't think you're stepping on my toes at all! In fact, I was actually hoping that you would be able to help me with this page.  I know that it's generally frowned on for one user to edit another's User Pages and User subpages, but I'd hoped that you would do this project with me.  I totally agree with the the unverifiable information and speculation; here's hoping that I've avoided it so far!  I think that creating a section for the specific purpose of listing her abilities would probably seem too trivial to a passing editor (and even more so to a madmin ;}), but it would be fine if it was integrated in a different manner (such as her ability to freeze other persocoms put into the "Relationship with persocoms" section).


 * I've actually been trying to think of a way to incorporate A City With No People into the test page, or at least Chi's and Freya's respective (roles? portrayals? representations?) in the book. I'm just not quite sure how to put it in.  Chi's part could go under "Relationship with Hideki", or "Relationship with Chitose Hibiya", while Freya's part could go under "Relationship with Chi"; heck, the whole thing could even have it's own section!


 * On our argument before, the reason that I was thinking about it was because of how big the dispute was (or seemed to be) at the time, and we were both pretty... obnoxious to each other, for lack of a better term. But now, we're collaborating on a test page together; gotta say that's an improvement! MelicansMatkin 01:59, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

I like your latest addition to the Chii test page. Almost nothing was wrong with it. I find your writing style to be very agreeable overall.PiccoloNamek


 * I'm glad that you think "Employment" turned out alright; I was hoping that it didn't contain too many errors, or too much unnecessary information. MelicansMatkin 02:03, 8 November 2007 (UTC)