User talk:Pierredemarigny

I will delete my article myself and start over. I am truly disgusted with the type of lunatic that is allowed to interfere with honest contributors. Yes I know the subject of my article: is that not allowed? I don't sleep with her if that's what you think. God.
 * It's not your article and it's not yours to delete. Please read WP:OWN. Once you've added text to Wikipedia it falls under a fair use license and you have no claim to it. And yes, there is a problem with conflicts of interest as there is in any situation. It is hard to be objective when you are too close to the subject, as I think you are clearly demonstrating. And please try to be civil when discussing other editors. freshacconci talk to me  03:37, 11 January 2014 (UTC)

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She is discussed in hundreds of places on the Internet but you won't give me the time to add the references. Clearly a malicious person that just does not want us on the Wiki. I don't know you and I don't know why you are doing this but it disgusts me.

Speedy deletion nomination of Annesu de Vos


A tag has been placed on Annesu de Vos requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A7 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article appears to be about a person or group of people, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is important or significant: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, such articles may be deleted at any time. Please read more about what is generally accepted as notable.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Click here to contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be removed without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. If the page is deleted, and you wish to retrieve the deleted material for future reference or improvement, you can place a request here. freshacconci talk to me  20:16, 10 January 2014 (UTC)

Nomination of Annesu de Vos for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Annesu de Vos is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Articles for deletion/Annesu de Vos until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. freshacconci talk to me  03:23, 11 January 2014 (UTC)

Annesu de Vos
You seem to be misunderstanding some things about Wikipedia's process and taking this far more personally than you should, so I just wanted to help out a bit.

Firstly, it's important to understand that an AFD discussion is not a comment on her as a person; it's just a discussion about the quality of the article as you've written it. She certainly sounds, from what I can tell, like somebody who's probably notable enough for an article, but you do really need to improve the referencing by citing real, properly reliable sources. It's actually quite easy on Wikipedia to write a bad, deletable article about a person who would qualify for inclusion if a better article could be written — so you really shouldn't take the discussion as a personal attack on either you or Ms. de Vos, but simply a cue to improve the article so that it has a better chance of being kept in the future.

You've talked a lot, for example, about how the article isn't completed yet and you're going to add further sources. But that's not actually how Wikipedia works — for an article to be keepable, a certain number of good sources have to already be in the article right from the start. If you need time to work on an article, what you should do instead is to put it in your own sandbox at User:Pierredemarigny/Annette de Vos, and then move it into articlespace only after it's done. If it's in articlespace now, however, then it has to meet articlespace rules now. There's no exemption for "I'm going to add more sources in the future", especially in articles about living people — if the sources aren't already in the article right now, then it doesn't necessarily get to stay here.

Finally, even if the article does get deleted, that doesn't mean she can never have an article. It means she can't have that version of the article, but you are still allowed to work on writing and referencing a better version of the article. So if you need time to work on it, then your best course of action would be to create the page at User:Pierredemarigny/Annette de Vos instead of in articlespace, so that you can work on it at your own pace. And once you've added enough good references to demonstrate that she passes WP:GNG, then it can be moved back into articlespace.

But taking it personally, or making accusations of political interference against people who've shown no signs whatsoever of harbouring any sort of bias against her, aren't really helpful approaches to take. They just don't accomplish anything except frustrating yourself and ticking everybody else off.

Hope that helps a bit. Bearcat (talk) 23:18, 16 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Also one more thing I forgot to mention: you've claimed that there are references available in Afrikaans about her. Wikipedia, just for the record, does not actually have any requirement that our references be in English — the content of our article has to be in English, but as long as you don't misrepresent what the source is saying, you can cite sources that are in Afrikaans. So if there really are good sources available about her in Afrikaans, then by all means, load 'em up and bring 'em on. Bearcat (talk) 23:34, 16 January 2014 (UTC)

Article userfied
The consensus at the deletion discussion was to delete the Annesu de Vos article, but I put a copy of it in your "user sandbox" so you can provide the proper references to establish her notability, and then republish the article once that is done. You can find the article here: User:Pierredemarigny/sandbox. &mdash;Darkwind (talk) 23:46, 28 January 2014 (UTC)