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Your edits to Thomas Lawrence (painter)
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Image source problem with Image:Grant Wood self portrait.jpg
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REPONSE: it is entitled "Grant Wood self portrait". Who do you think painted it??? BTW, I own the painting, the copyright, and took the photo myself. Please stop messing about with the photos I put on Wikipedia, as you obviously don't know what you are doing. piersbertrand 21:30, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

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Davenport, Iowa
Excuse you, why did you revert my edit?  C t j f 8 3 Talk 21:30, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Hi. I reverted your deletion of my additions because I supplied actual dates with the facts I wrote. I should really ask you why *you* think you needed to delete my paragraphs. Do you want verification of the dates I used? Dates cannot be disputed. If we say that someone was born on a certain date, for example, do you want a footnoted original source? Of course not. That is why I don't see such footnotes in almost all the articles on Wikipedia. piersbertrand 21:40, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Um, i want sources for "the first municipal art museum in the country", "nation's oldest history and natural science museum", "the oldest public library system west of the Mississippi" and yes, those kind of dates need sources, if someone questions them. So they need sources, or will be removed again!  C t j f 8 3 Talk 22:03, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

How does one verify "the oldest" of something other than using dates? Is there a reference manual written by Nobel-Pulitzer-Pritzker prize winning historians verifying such info. I think not. How about these two examples in Wikipedia: The Mildred Lane Kemper Art Museum in St. Louis, which claims to be "the oldest art museum west of the Mississippi River - it was founded in 1881." Where's the footnote??? Oooops, delete that one I guess. Next Wikipedia example: "The Speed Art Museum... is the oldest and largest museum of art in Kentucky" Hey, we need proof that there is no art museum founded in Kentucky before 1927! Hey, I know how to solve this, how about looking for a book entitled: "Institutions That Never Existed and Their Founding Dates"? I'm sorry, but your reasoning doesn't stand up. Dates are dates, and if you can find an older institution in Kentucky than the Speed Art Museum, for example, then you may delete the info, not before. piersbertrand 22:20, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Ok, one, I don't know if you're being a smartass or not, but this attitude I see needs to stop! It accomplishes nothing. I'm sure there is some reliable site that will list the oldest of everything. As far as the other unsourced stuff you mentioned...one, I have never been to those articles, and two, I don't care about those articles. Davenport is a Good Article. I'm the one that got it there, and I'm not gonna let anyone ruin it, by putting unsourced information into the article. WP:Cite says that if anyone challenges something, it needs to be sourced. Saying something is the oldest, smallest, biggest, etc, it needs a reliable source  C t j f 8 3 Talk 22:41, 8 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Look, I am not trying to be a smartass, and I am sorry if I upset you, but I am simply making the point that foundation dates of institutions are agreed-upon facts. I will be happy to supply footnoted sources for every date I write if you require me to do so.  However, there is no publication stating which institution is the oldest, second oldest, oldest north of the Mason-Dixon, etc.  I've looked everywhere and I am satisfied that it does not exist (I am a professor of history at a respectable university, btw)  I will footnote the paragraphs if it makes you feel better.  piersbertrand 22:51, 8 July 2008 (UTC)


 * here are a few sites that claim their library is the oldest:   So you tell me which is true. Also, you can sign your posts by typing ~ instead of typing everything out. Also see here how I have a source for WOC being the second oldest radio station.  C t j f 8 3 Talk 23:07, 8 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks for that. You've just proved my point.  Your first example: The Burlington Public Library claims that "Library services in Burlington can be traced to January 1872".  Well, Davenport Public Library's 1839 date is 33 years earlier.  Your next example: The site states "The oldest public library system west of the Mississippi, the Multnomah County Library has a history that reaches back to 1864".  Again, the Davenport Public Library, founded in 1839, is older.  Your third example: it states "As the oldest public library west of the Mississippi River, Omaha Public Library has served the citizens of Omaha and Douglas County for more than 130 years."  The Omaha Public Library was founded in 1857 (The City of Omaha wasn't founded until 1854!!!) and this makes it younger than the Davenport Public Library, founded in 1839.  Remember the old adage: "Don't believe everything you read on the internet".  Look at the dates first as the facts don't lie!  'Nuff said.  Also, your example of WOC doesn't look very accurate.  You may want to check your sources.  How about using the Wikipedia entry: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oldest_radio_station   It looks like there are a number of stations older than WOC pushing it out of second place.  Anyway, I think I made my point.  To end this silly debate, as you will see in the City of Davenport entry, there are now footnotes.  I hope you are happy.  Have a good evening. Piersbertrand (talk) 23:52, 8 July 2008 (UTC)


 * well the WOC (radio station) page says it was 1907, which does make it the 2nd oldest. But anyway, I have to go for now, and I'm not done with this debate...yet. Also, your sources just give dates, how do I know a library or museum wasn't opened before the dates you have listed  C t j f 8 3 Talk 00:20, 9 July 2008 (UTC)


 * That's not what the Wikipedia entry on oldest radio stations says... To your next point: a claim can be made until it is refuted, not the other way around.  Your reasoning is illogical.  My car was made in 1968 and is therefore the oldest car in my neighborhood.  How do I know?  I looked at the ages of the other cars in my neighborhood!  Did I have to read it somewhere to know?  Of course not!  You simply cannot say, as you write, that just because someone else makes the claim, then it is a fact.  That's bogus reasoning.  I am basing my work on DATES, just as you just did with WOC.  You obviously took the date 1907 and *compared* it with the foundation dates in the Wikipedia entry.  GENIUS!!!  I did the very same thing to verify my information!!!!!!!  I looked at the dates of the foundation of the various institutions, I compared the dates, then I looked at which date was the earliest and then I wrote down what I read!!!!  GENIUS!!!   Piersbertrand (talk) 00:49, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Umm...until you look at the date for every library west of the River, then you don't know if it is the first, I will be deleting it again...as your source doesn't say it is the oldest, it just says the date in which it was opened  C t j f 8 3 Talk 04:17, 9 July 2008 (UTC)


 * I changed the sentence to read "possibly the oldest", which is accurate. Piersbertrand (talk) 21:17, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Well you still need to do something about both museums and the symphony  C t j f 8 3 Talk 21:19, 9 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes ma'am. By the way, my source does say that the Figge is the oldest...Piersbertrand (talk) 21:21, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Ma'am?! eh...I've been called worse, lol  C t j f 8 3 Talk 21:31, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Do you live in the Quads?  C t j f 8 3 Talk 23:05, 9 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes I do, but I moved here recently. I just feel that there are a number of important institutions here and that their significance is overlooked.  Research shows that Davenport has established important organizations early on, but the problem is that the local people don't care enough to notice.  People here are very ignorant of the facts.  Piersbertrand (talk) 20:30, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
 * LOL, why did u move here?!  C t j f 8 3 Talk 03:56, 11 July 2008 (UTC)


 * I moved here for my job. I never heard of the place in my life, even though my family is from Chicago, and when I visited it for the first time, I really liked it.  There is so much here, but no one talks about it, no one promotes it well, and, as a consequence, the outside world knows nothing about the area.  That's a real shame and why this wikipedia entry is so important (if nothing, at least people will know some facts and truths about Davenport).  Why are you here?  Piersbertrand (talk) 16:50, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry, didn't notice this...I was born in neighboring Bettendorf, Iowa so I'm just here for now...I'm dying to move to Boystown in Chicago!!  C t j f 8 3 Talk 21:04, 28 July 2008 (UTC)


 * I fully understand why you want to move there. My family has lived off north Lincoln Park for the past 50 years.  Piersbertrand (talk) 19:03, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Sweet!! that would be awesome..but way expensive, as is Lakeview  C t j f 8 3 Talk 20:28, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of National Center for Midwest Art and Design
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 * The speedy-deletion criterion I selected applies to groups and organizations as well. As for your comparison to the National Center for Supercomputing Applications and other similar groups, please be advised that the existence of other articles about apparently similar subjects is not grounds for keeping a particular article. Each subject must stand or fall on its own merits and notability. This organization does not meet notability standards. An administrator agreed with my assessment and actually removed the article on my suggestion. - Realkyhick (Talk to me) 22:40, 8 September 2008 (UTC)


 * You simply do not know what you are talking about.Piersbertrand (talk) 23:39, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

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