User talk:Pilaz/sandbox

TBD

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 * current1  = Meloni Cabinet
 * new1      = Meloni government
 * current2  = Draghi Cabinet
 * new2      = Draghi government
 * current3  = Conte II Cabinet
 * new3      = Second Conte government
 * current4  = Conte I Cabinet
 * new4      = First Conte government
 * current5  = Gentiloni Cabinet
 * new5      = Gentiloni government
 * current6  = Renzi Cabinet
 * new6      = Renzi government
 * current7  = Letta Cabinet
 * new7      = Letta government
 * current8  = Monti Cabinet
 * new8      = Monti government
 * current9  = Berlusconi IV Cabinet
 * new9      = Fourth Berlusconi government
 * current10 = Prodi II Cabinet
 * new10     = Second Prodi government
 * current11 = Berlusconi III Cabinet
 * new11     = Third Berlusconi government
 * current12 = Berlusconi II Cabinet
 * new12     = Second Berlusconi government
 * current13 = Amato II Cabinet
 * new13     = Second Amato government
 * current14 = D'Alema II Cabinet
 * new14     = Second D'Alema government
 * current15 = D'Alema I Cabinet
 * new15     = First D'Alema government
 * current16 = Prodi I Cabinet
 * new16     = First Prodi government
 * current17 = Dini Cabinet
 * new17     = Dini government
 * current18 = Berlusconi I Cabinet
 * new18     = First Berlusconi government
 * current19 = Ciampi Cabinet
 * new19     = Ciampi government
 * current20 = Amato I Cabinet
 * new20     = First Amato government
 * current21 = Andreotti VII Cabinet
 * new21     = Seventh Andreotti government
 * current22 = Andreotti VI Cabinet
 * new22     = Sixth Andreotti government
 * current23 = De Mita Cabinet
 * new23     = De Mita government
 * current24 = Goria Cabinet
 * new24     = Goria government
 * current25 = Fanfani VI Cabinet
 * new25     = Sixth Fanfani government
 * current26 = Craxi II Cabinet
 * new26     = Second Craxi government
 * current27 = Craxi I Cabinet
 * new27     = First Craxi government
 * current28 = Fanfani V Cabinet
 * new28     = Fifth Fanfani government
 * current29 = Spadolini II Cabinet
 * new29     = Second Spadolini government
 * current30 = Spadolini I Cabinet
 * new30     = First Spadolini government
 * current31 = Forlani Cabinet
 * new31     = Forlani government
 * current32 = Cossiga II Cabinet
 * new32     = Second Cossiga government
 * current33 = Cossiga I Cabinet
 * new33     = First Cossiga government
 * current34 = Andreotti V Cabinet
 * new34     = Fifth Andreotti government
 * current35 = Andreotti IV Cabinet
 * new35     = Fourth Andreotti government
 * current36 = Andreotti III Cabinet
 * new36     = Third Andreotti government
 * current37 = Moro V Cabinet
 * new37     = Fifth Moro government
 * current38 = Moro IV Cabinet
 * new38     = Fourth Moro government
 * current39 = Rumor V Cabinet
 * new39     = Fifth Rumor government
 * current40 = Rumor IV Cabinet
 * new40     = Fourth Rumor government
 * current41 = Andreotti II Cabinet
 * new41     = Second Andreotti government
 * current42 = Andreotti I Cabinet
 * new42     = First Andreotti government
 * current43 = Colombo Cabinet
 * new43     = Colombo government
 * current44 = Rumor III Cabinet
 * new44     = Third Rumor government
 * current45 = Rumor II Cabinet
 * new45     = Second Rumor government
 * current46 = Rumor I Cabinet
 * new46     = First Rumor government
 * current47 = Leone II Cabinet
 * new47     = Second Leone government
 * current48 = Moro III Cabinet
 * new48     = Third Moro government
 * current49 = Moro II Cabinet
 * new49     = Second Moro government
 * current50 = Moro I Cabinet
 * new50     = First Moro government
 * current51 = Leone I Cabinet
 * new51     = First Leone government
 * current52 = Fanfani IV Cabinet
 * new52     = Fourth Fanfani government
 * current53 = Fanfani III Cabinet
 * new53     = Third Fanfani government
 * current54 = Tambroni Cabinet
 * new54     = Third Tambroni government
 * current55 = Segni II Cabinet
 * new55     = Second Segni government
 * current56 = Zoli Cabinet
 * new56     = Zoli government
 * current57 = Scelba Cabinet
 * new57     = Scelba government
 * current58 = Fanfani I Cabinet
 * new58     = First Fanfani government
 * current59 = Pella Cabinet
 * new59     = Pella government
 * current60 = De Gasperi VIII Cabinet
 * new60     = Eighth De Gasperi government
 * current61 = De Gasperi VII Cabinet
 * new61     = Seventh De Gasperi government
 * current62 = De Gasperi VI Cabinet
 * new62     = Sixth De Gasperi government
 * current63 = De Gasperi V Cabinet
 * new63     = Fifth De Gasperi government
 * current64 = De Gasperi IV Cabinet
 * new64     = Fourth De Gasperi government
 * current65 = De Gasperi III Cabinet
 * new65     = Third De Gasperi government
 * current66 = De Gasperi II Cabinet
 * new66     = Second De Gasperi government
 * current67 = De Gasperi I Cabinet
 * new67     = First De Gasperi government
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 * reason    = The current article title is neither natural nor compliant with capitalization guidelines. This move proposes three things: (1) to do away with cabinet in favor of government (WP:COMMONNAME); (2) to change the Roman numeral for the number in written form (WP:NATURAL); and (3) to swap the capitalization of Cabinet for a non-capitalized government (WP:NCCAPS). It follows similar formats currently in effect for Spain (Second government of Pedro Sánchez) and France (Second Philippe government), and is inspired from another move request from 2020 (Talk:Second government of Pedro Sánchez).
 * Context. No overarching guideline or naming convention exists for government/cabinet article titles has existed on Wikipedia, which has led to a heterogenous set of names within this category of articles. If you have a look at Category:Current governments, you'll see a disorganized mess with little cohesion.


 * Government or cabinet? WP:COMMONNAME should apply here. In English-language sources, Italian government dwarfs Italian cabinet in Google Ngram Viewer. Similar results can be found for specific government/cabinets of the last ten years: Monti, Letta, Renzi, and Conte (Gentiloni and Meloni returned no results). In reliable sources, usage of "X government" is also far more common than "X cabinet". Looking at "Meloni government" and "Meloni cabinet" in reliable sources, we get:


 * Ordinal numerals or roman numerals? Second Conte government is far more WP:NATURAL in English than Conte II government. Names like Conte II are inherited from Italian newspaper headline jargon, which looks odd to an English reader. It is telling that many government articles that use a roman numeral choose the ordinal numeral in the lead (e.g. At Rama III Government, the first sentence reads: The third Government of Prime Minister Edi Rama is the 67th ruling Government of the Republic of Albania [...]). If we look at Ngrams for individual governments of this century that had multiple iterations, like second Berlusconi government, third Berlusconi government, second Prodi government, or fourth Berlusconi government, we can see that the ordinal form is much more common than the roman form in English. For completeness' sake, I also took a look at reliable sources, but the picture is murkier (I excluded sources that showed zero results for each):


 * Finally, when looking at List of current governments, roman numerals also seem to be used in fewer titles than ordinal numerals:


 * Therefore, I think it's more WP:NATURAL to use ordinal numerals rather than roman numerals in this set of articles.


 * First name or no first name? I don't think we need the first names of the Prime Ministers in the title due to WP:CONCISE. In the 2020 Spanish move, it was argued that they were needed for disambiguation, but there seem to be no homonyms for Italy. I don't oppose the longer name if it means solving the other issues, though.

In summary, we should use the most common name used in English-language sources (government) and the most common numeration form (third, rather than III), and align this article with the capitalization guidelines (government, not Government).