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Hedge fund#Investment manager locations
Hi there, Pine. Last week I posted a detailed request about the Investment manager locations section on the Hedge fund article's Talk page (see here). So far I haven't received any reply, so I'm reaching out to you and a couple of additional editors about it. I know you haven't been involved on this page before, but if you're still willing to help out, I'll look forward to seeing you there. Cheers, WWB Too (Talk &middot; COI) 17:08, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Looks like someone already took care of it! --Pine✉ 20:42, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Yep, so they did! Seems like Keithbob is fairly willing to implement these at the moment, so I'll just let you know if we run into an issue where another opinion could be helpful. Thanks again! WWB Too (Talk &middot; COI) 14:04, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

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Re: Stress balls?
Yes -- they're part of the package we send to any Ambassador or professors who's interested in having an on-campus outreach event about Wikipedia, and we also give them out at conferences. They say "Wikipedia Contributor" on them. :) -- LiAnna Davis (WMF) (talk) 23:00, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

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Dear Pine,

This nomination is actually newly in the extension period, and will be for the next five days. =) Please feel free to vote on this and any other; indeed, more votes over the holiday period would be very helpful. Cheers! Adam Cuerden (talk) 09:58, 26 December 2012 (UTC)

Re: Barnstar
Thanks Pine! Have a good one yourself. - Jarry1250 [Deliberation needed] 16:40, 26 December 2012 (UTC)
 * My thanks as well! –Mabeenot (talk) 17:48, 26 December 2012 (UTC)

Hedge fund
Hello again, Pine. Funny thing, not long after I'd reached out to you about the section-by-section updates to the Hedge fund article, the primary editor who was approving and implementing my suggestions changed his mind about participating. (Main thread here.) His basic point is that the article is overall too long and too detailed, about which I don't entirely disagree. I've let him know that I'm interested in pursuing a rewrite of this sort in the future, although immediate problems with the article persists: lacking citations, small inaccuracies, etc. My revisions do not expand these sections significantly, they're simply intended to refine what is there now. I'd like to address these issues before considering another rewrite effort, and perhaps my updated sections could form the basis for a fork on these sub-topics. As he says on the Talk page, he won't object if someone else approves and moves them. Would you be willing to help me with this? Cheers, WWB Too (Talk &middot; COI) 17:18, 27 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Hi WWB, I am willing to help but my plate is a bit full right now. Can you ping me again in about a week? --Pine✉ 23:55, 27 December 2012 (UTC)


 * No problem. Meantime, I'll go ahead and try at least one other editor who has been helpful on this article in the past, but if progress is still slow, I'll definitely check in with you again. Thanks! WWB Too (Talk &middot; COI) 00:07, 28 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Hey there, Pine, this note just to follow up with you about my suggested revisions for the Hedge fund article. I did also ping the other editor I mentioned, but it doesn't look like he's had a chance to take a look. Do you think you might have time to review my suggestions and consider them for inclusion in the article? Thanks! WWB Too (Talk &middot; COI) 16:14, 8 January 2013 (UTC)


 * OK, I've added this to my agenda for sometime this week or early next week. --Pine✉ 22:31, 9 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Sure, I'm enough of an eventualist that I can wait a bit longer. That said, if by the middle of next week you're still too busy, I may see who else is available to help. Cheers, WWB Too (Talk &middot; COI) 17:32, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

┌ ──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── ┘ I took a look at this today. Thank you for working on this difficult subject. I believe you are editing in good faith and I like the references that you're adding in your draft. I have a few requests for changes.

I see how the first of three sentences that's attributed to Source 2 are supported by the source, but I don't see how the two following sentences are supported by the source. Can you point me more specifically to where those sentences are supported by source 2? I think that the source that's currently Source 5 may be of some help here.

Change the sentence "Offshore corporate funds are used for non-US investors, and because they are domiciled in a tax haven, no entity-level tax is imposed." to read "So-called "offshore" corporate funds, i.e. corporate funds domiciled outside of the United States, are generally used for non-US investors, and because they are domiciled in tax havens, the investors may be exempt from entity-level tax."

To reduce the possibility of being accused of plagarism, put quote marks around "such as pensions plans, endowments and charitable trusts."

Change the sentence "Unit trusts are sometimes used to market to Japanese investors." to "When marketing to Japanese investors, unit trusts based in the Cayman Islands are often preferred."

For source 5, I think you linked to the wrong page in the source. The link is to the "Legal and Compliance" section which doesn't mention the board. Would you please fix this?

Thanks! --Pine</b><sup style="color:#01796F;">✉ 19:28, 10 January 2013 (UTC)


 * All right, I really appreciate the close read and considered reply. I'll review, revise and respond by tomorrow at latest. Thanks, WWB Too (Talk &middot; COI) 20:21, 10 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Hi again, Pine. I'll respond to your requests one-by-one, and you'll see that I have updated the draft for The legal entity on my user page to reflect the changes discussed.


 * Source two (the Anson book) does support the third sentence in paragraph one. (See Exhibit 2.1 on page 23, and text on page 22.) I originally had a different source for the next two sentences, but I must have cut it off while editing. In any case, I think it reads better without, so I've simply removed those sentences. Sorry about the confusion.
 * For the offshore passage, how about "Offshore corporate funds are generally used for non-US investors. Because they are domiciled in tax havens, investors may be exempt from entity-level tax." I don't think we need to refer to them as "so-called" offshore funds as they are well-defined elsewhere in the article.
 * I changed the wording slightly on the list of tax-exempt organizations (to "pension funds, institutional endowments and charitable trusts.")
 * I changed the wording on the unit trusts passage to "Japanese investors prefer to invest in open ended unit trusts, such as those available in the Cayman Islands."
 * I changed the link on source six (is that the one you meant?) so that page 2-68 shows up as a preview. The full text is not available on Google Books.


 * Let me know if these changes are satisfactory, and if you have any other questions or feedback. Cheers, WWB Too (Talk &middot; COI) 16:57, 11 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Hi WWB, I had planned to work on this today but that got derailed by the untimely passing of a Wikipedian. You can read more about this at RIP and at the Wikimedia Blog post, and you can see the comments that Wikipedians are leaving on his user talk page. Hopefully I'll reply to you sometime later this week. I apologize for the delay. --<span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#008C3A 0.1em 0.1em 1.5em,#01796F -0.1em -0.1em 1.5em;"><b style="color:#01796F;">Pine</b><sup style="color:#01796F;">✉ 03:51, 14 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Hello, Pine. Not a problem at all. I woke up to the news of Aaron's passing on Saturday. He was a brilliant mind and astonishingly accomplished. Besides Wikipedia and all else the media is covering now, he wrote the most persuasive explanation of the ending of Infinite Jest, my favorite novel, and I was both envious and in awe. A terrible loss. Let's pick this up again when you have time. Thanks, WWB Too (Talk &middot; COI) 16:00, 14 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Hi WWB, I worked on this today while I was waiting for someone. Here are my latest comments.


 * In the first paragraph, I think the Lhabitant reference also supports the sentence that's currently supported by the Anson reference, but I can't easily see how the Anson reference is supporting the sentence to which it's currently tagged. I suggest moving the Lhabitant reference to the location that's currently tagged as reference 2.


 * Change "Offshore corporate funds are used for non-US investors, and because they are domiciled in a tax haven, no entity-level tax is imposed" to "Offshore corporate funds are usually used for non-US investors, and when they are domiciled in an applicable offshore tax haven, no entity-level tax is imposed."


 * In "Japanese investors prefer to invest in open ended unit trusts, such as those available in the Cayman Islands", remove the words "open ended".


 * In "The board may include both affiliated directors who are full-time employees of the fund and independent directors whose relationship to the fund is limited to the board and limited consulting duties", remove "full-time".


 * I'm not comfortable with Reference 7 since I can't seem to see the relevant pages on Google Books, and I won't insert that into the article unless I can read it.


 * Change "whose relationship to the fund is limited to the board and limited consulting duties" to "whose relationship to the fund adviser is limited".


 * Thanks, --<span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#008C3A 0.1em 0.1em 1.5em,#01796F -0.1em -0.1em 1.5em;"><b style="color:#01796F;">Pine</b><sup style="color:#01796F;">✉ 21:57, 14 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Hi again, Pine. I'm in agreement with and have largely implemented your suggested changes, and have once again updated the draft for The legal entity on my user page to reflect that. A few notes:
 * I kept the Anson citation for the second line (since I think the chart in that source is useful), but added the Lhabitant book as a second reference.
 * I implemented of all your suggested wording changes.
 * I cut out the Scharfman reference (previously number seven). The Lhabitant citation should be sufficient.


 * How's it look to you now? WWB Too (Talk &middot; COI) 18:25, 15 January 2013 (UTC)


 * I have this on my list of things to do during the next few days. --<span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#008C3A 0.1em 0.1em 1.5em,#01796F -0.1em -0.1em 1.5em;"><b style="color:#01796F;">Pine</b><sup style="color:#01796F;">✉ 08:50, 17 January 2013 (UTC)


 * My list of comments and suggestions gets shorter each time I do a review, which is a good sign. This time I have two requests for changes.


 * Replace "A hedge fund structured as a limited partnership must have a general partner, which usually manages the limited partnership, while the limited partners provide the invested funds." with "A hedge fund structured as a limited partnership must have a general partner, which is the manager of the limited partnership fund and may have unlimited personal liability for debts of the partnership unless a limited liability entity acts as the general partner. A limited partnership also usually has limited partners which provide much of the invested funds and are not personally liable for debts of the partnership." Add the Nicolas ref to the list of refs for these sentences.
 * Replace the sentence "The board's primary role is to provide a layer of oversight while representing the interests of the shareholders." with "Theoretically, the board has significant oversight responsibility, although board members may lack sufficient expertise to be effective."
 * --<span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#008C3A 0.1em 0.1em 1.5em,#01796F -0.1em -0.1em 1.5em;"><b style="color:#01796F;">Pine</b><sup style="color:#01796F;">✉ 08:53, 18 January 2013 (UTC)

OK, finally got updates for you here. Looks like we're getting closer. I changed the text to reflect your suggestions (with a few variations), and have once again updated the draft for The legal entity on my user page. A few notes: What do you think? WWB Too (Talk &middot; COI) 20:56, 21 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Your suggested wording about liability conflates two different legal structures. The limited partnership is a different arrangement than the limited liability company. I have, however, added additional text drawn from the Nichols book and one other source to make that distinction clear.
 * I added a sentence about board members' perceived lack of expertise: "The board's primary role is to provide a layer of oversight while representing the interests of the shareholders. However, in practice board members may lack sufficient expertise to be effective in performing those duties."


 * Your second change is OK with me. I have a few comments about the first.
 * Please see Nicholas page 40, second paragraph, regarding how a limited partnership may have a corporation as the general partner. Add this information.
 * Please move "Hedge funds may also be structured as limited liability companies, with members acting as corporate shareholders and enjoying protection from individual liability." to a separate paragraph, change "limited liability companies" to "corporations or limited liability companies", change "Hedge funds may also be..." to "As an alternative to forming limited partnerships, hedge funds may be...", and add the Nicholas ref.
 * Add a new paragraph, "A third way of structuring a hedge fund is as a trust." with the Nicholas ref. I'm not sure if Nicholas is referring to a trust company or an investment trust but if you can figure that out I hope you can add a ref with that information.
 * --<span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#008C3A 0.1em 0.1em 1.5em,#01796F -0.1em -0.1em 1.5em;"><b style="color:#01796F;">Pine</b><sup style="color:#01796F;">✉ 20:41, 22 January 2013 (UTC)


 * I've again updated the draft for The legal entity on my user page to reflect the changes discussed below. I have a few notes and comments:
 * Some of your suggested changes were already included in the most recent draft. For example, the information noting that a limited partnership may have a corporation as the general partner, though the draft already states a "hedge fund structured as a limited partnership must have a general partner. The general partner may be an individual or a corporation." The Nicholas source was used as a citation here.
 * It wouldn't quite make sense to say "corporations or limited liability companies" because limited liability companies are hybrid business entities having certain characteristics of both a corporation and a partnership. The "Business Knowledge for IT in Hedge Funds" source does a nice job of explaining this, which is why we used it as a source. In addition, the "alternative" wording you suggest would be slightly misleading in that each of these structures would reflect the interests of different sorts of investors.
 * Nichols does identify "trust" as a third way of structuring a hedge fund. But I believe he is simply referring to the "unit trust" arrangement for offshore funds already discussed. If he's referring to a strictly domestic arrangement, it's not one I'm familiar with, nor one I could find additional information about. I did add further details about unit trusts in the offshore paragraph, however. And if you can direct me to a source providing further details about domestic (onshore) trust structures, I would be happy to add that information.
 * The length of this subsection is becoming a concern. There is certainly plenty of additional information we could add; the "Business Knowledge for IT in Hedge Funds" source, for example, spends four pages outlining different business and legal structures. But several different editors on the "Hedge fund" talk page have expressed concern about the article's length, and are involved in ongoing efforts to pare it down. I am reluctant to extend the word count in this subsection any longer than it already is.
 * I think the current draft does a good job of summarizing the most pertinent details. What do you think, certainly better than what's there now? WWB Too (Talk &middot; COI) 18:49, 23 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I agree with you about the length issue, I was starting to think about that too. The reason I'm viewing the proposed changes with a microscope is that if I'm going to have my name associated with this complicated set of changes I want to be pretty sure that someone won't snap at me later for something I agreed to include or not include. The complexity of the subject is making this situation a challenge. I'll come back and look at this further when I have a larger block of time to review it again, hopefully soon. --<span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#008C3A 0.1em 0.1em 1.5em,#01796F -0.1em -0.1em 1.5em;"><b style="color:#01796F;">Pine</b><sup style="color:#01796F;">✉ 21:56, 23 January 2013 (UTC)
 * That makes complete sense. If you want to get another editor's eyes on it, by all means do, although as you know I'd been having trouble finding someone to review it. Financial topics: a real challenge, I've found. And I'm actually going to be traveling starting tomorrow through early next week, so now's a good time to pause. I'll check back when I return, or let me know if you follow up! Cheers, WWB Too (Talk &middot; COI) 22:17, 23 January 2013 (UTC)
 * OK, I think I'm more or less in agreement with you about the substance of your draft. I have boldly made some changes to your draft page mainly with the goal of making the information easier for the reader to understand. Please let me know what you think. --<span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#008C3A 0.1em 0.1em 1.5em,#01796F -0.1em -0.1em 1.5em;"><b style="color:#01796F;">Pine</b><sup style="color:#01796F;">✉

I appreciate your bold changes! I've made just a few small modifications, which you can see on my user page draft, and my explanations:


 * The Lhabitant and Nicholas sources both highlight the limited partnership and limited liability company legal structures as the main form of domestic arrangements, so I've made those the focus of the introductory text and bullet points. I moved the unit trust info down to the bottom with the rest of the offshore text.
 * Again, I know that the Nicholas books identifies "trusts" as the third common form, but it's not clear to me what he means by this—is he referring to the offshore unit trust or some of domestic structure? If it’s the former, than the grouping I propose seems appropriate. If it’s the latter, we would need additional information to describe how the domestic trust differs from the LP and LLC structures.

Does this seem reasonable? If it looks good to you, I think it's ready to go, and surely worth a mention in the relevant section of the Hedge fund Talk page. Cheers, WWB Too (Talk &middot; COI) 16:24, 30 January 2013 (UTC)


 * I tried a reorganization with subheadings. Does this look better? I think moving unit trusts to the end may be confusing for the reader. --<span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#008C3A 0.1em 0.1em 1.5em,#01796F -0.1em -0.1em 1.5em;"><b style="color:#01796F;">Pine</b><sup style="color:#01796F;">✉ 19:46, 30 January 2013 (UTC)


 * You know what, I'm afraid this is moving in the wrong direction now. You might want to look again at the current section and its surrounds: Hedge_fund. It is already a subsection, currently a few tight (however unverified) paragraphs, like the ones around it. Meanwhile, an editor recently involved here had removed some bullets from a previously-approved subsection, so the general direction of this page has been more about streamlining what's already a lengthy, complex article, rather than adding more detail. I understand your interest in checking the facts, which is good, but how do you feel about reducing the complexity a bit? And going back to just 2-3 paragraphs? I think that would fit better for the article. I could edit again and see what you think. WWB Too (Talk &middot; COI) 22:51, 31 January 2013 (UTC)


 * OK, I did some chopping in the draft. Does that look better? Feel free to post an alternative version on the draft page if you have an alternative in mind. --<span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#008C3A 0.1em 0.1em 1.5em,#01796F -0.1em -0.1em 1.5em;"><b style="color:#01796F;">Pine</b><sup style="color:#01796F;">✉ 06:58, 1 February 2013 (UTC)


 * Okay, I've reorganized the draft into three paragraphs. I cut out some of the introductory elements, they didn't seem necessary without the bullet points. And I added back in content about the board of directors for offshore funds, and board members' perceived lack of expertise. The existing subsection currently covers this, and I think it's valuable information from a critical perspective. Otherwise, contentwise, it's the same as before. If this looks good, I think we're ready to move the conversation over to the Hedge fund Talk page. What do you think? WWB Too (Talk &middot; COI) 19:08, 1 February 2013 (UTC)


 * Looks good! I just added a few words for additional clarity. I agree, I think it's ready for the Hedge fund Talk page. --<span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#008C3A 0.1em 0.1em 1.5em,#01796F -0.1em -0.1em 1.5em;"><b style="color:#01796F;">Pine</b><sup style="color:#01796F;">✉ 20:07, 2 February 2013 (UTC)


 * Right on, I have no more changes! Shall we move this back to the section that I had started before? It might instead be worth starting a new thread, because my original one is now not the most recent section (discussion has focused on other issues since). Either way, if you prefer to take it to Talk there, go right ahead. Otherwise I'll do so in the next 24 hours. Cheers, WWB Too (Talk &middot; COI) 17:48, 4 February 2013 (UTC)


 * You're welcome to start up the discussion on that talk page as you think best. Cheers, --<span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#008C3A 0.1em 0.1em 1.5em,#01796F -0.1em -0.1em 1.5em;"><b style="color:#01796F;">Pine</b><sup style="color:#01796F;">✉ 02:23, 5 February 2013 (UTC)


 * Cool. I think best to post a new thread, since there are a lot of commenters on the article recently, and I'd be surprised if they did not have unique viewpoints on the content. As noted before: financial topics seem to draw a lot of very careful and differing viewpoints, and I appreciate your close eye through this. If there's more ahead, I hope you're game to keep going. Plus I have two more subsections afterward; I have no idea if they'll warrant the same close review, but I'm willing to talk it all through. No deadlines on Wikipedia, after all! Cheers, WWB Too (Talk &middot; COI) 03:39, 5 February 2013 (UTC)


 * Completely unrelated: how do you do that cool glowing thing around your name? Not likely to use it myself, but I dig that. WWB Too (Talk &middot; COI) 03:46, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

Took slightly longer than I planned, but I've now posted a new section the Hedge fund Talk page. Also, thanks for sharing the tutorial! Cheers, WWB Too (Talk &middot; COI) 21:52, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

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Thanks for the strawberries! --<span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#008C3A 0.1em 0.1em 1.5em,#01796F -0.1em -0.1em 1.5em;"><b style="color:#01796F;">Pine</b><sup style="color:#01796F;">✉ 08:49, 17 January 2013 (UTC)

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Responded to you there. Adam Cuerden (talk) 08:18, 18 January 2013 (UTC)
 * And responded again. No further responses for a few hours, though: I have a friend's mother's funeral to go to. Adam Cuerden (talk) 09:11, 18 January 2013 (UTC)

IEG advisory committee
What would this role involve? Doc James (talk · contribs · email) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 10:43, 18 January 2013 (UTC)

IEG invite

 * Just a quick reply. Cool project. More soon. WWB (talk) 05:04, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

grammar
Hi DEAR PINE! could you please guide me if my words are grammatically correct or not? Alborzagros (talk) 06:31, 21 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Yes check.svg Y Done --<span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#008C3A 0.1em 0.1em 1.5em,#01796F -0.1em -0.1em 1.5em;"><b style="color:#01796F;">Pine</b><sup style="color:#01796F;">✉ 06:38, 21 January 2013 (UTC)


 * thanks dude.Alborzagros (talk) 06:39, 21 January 2013 (UTC)

IDEF
Hi Pine, I noticed you are (sometimes) active in the field of software engineering. I wonder if you could give your opinion about this discussion. Thank you. -- Mdd (talk) 02:49, 28 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Responded. --<span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#008C3A 0.1em 0.1em 1.5em,#01796F -0.1em -0.1em 1.5em;"><b style="color:#01796F;">Pine</b><sup style="color:#01796F;">✉ 04:04, 28 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks a lot. -- Mdd (talk) 15:06, 28 January 2013 (UTC)

Osaka Castle
Yes, it's a good picture, but please stop pushing it into the lead in articles where it is not appropriate.

In the article History of architecture the editor chose a painting which, in keeping with the article, illustrates numerous historic styles within a single picture.

In the article Architecture the two lead pics have been carefully selected to illustrate the leading sentence: "Architecture is both the process and product of planning, designing and construction." As the product of planning, design and construction, the dome of Florence Cathedral occupies a unique position in the history of architecture. The statement, "Brunelleschi ....transformed the role of the architect" is the key to its significance. Not to mention that it was the supreme example of architectural design and construction for a thousand years, and was to remain so for another 500 years. It is wider, more structurally stable and less complex than Michelangelo's equally famous dome on St Peter's built more than a century later.

In deleting the architectural drawing and changing the caption to a simple description of the building itself (as per alt caption) you have missed the point entirely. The statement made concerning the role of Brunelleschi made is of a degree of significance that ought to have alerted you to the fact that if you personally didn't know it, and wanted it verified, then the right course of action was to leave a tag, not delete what was obviously a key statement in the context of a very important generic article.

Let me put it to you that Brunelleschi led the way for every modern architectural practice. The many builders of Osaka castle did not.

Amandajm (talk) 06:55, 30 January 2013 (UTC)


 * OK, I understand your POV about the Architecture article, but I'm not understanding why the image would be a problem in the History of architecture article. --<span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#008C3A 0.1em 0.1em 1.5em,#01796F -0.1em -0.1em 1.5em;"><b style="color:#01796F;">Pine</b><sup style="color:#01796F;">✉ 19:35, 30 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I returned the pic to the History of architecture article.
 * Whether or not it is relevant and appropriate as a lead to the article is in part dependent on whether its caption makes it relevant. A fairly detailed description of the building dates of just one out of thousands of possible buildings gives it no relevance at all.
 * I thought that the first picture was self explanatory, but I have expanded the caption, in order to balance it against the new caption on your photo.
 * Please check it out and see the difference that the caption makes. It doesn't matter how good a pic is, there has to be a reason for its inclusion, particularly in the intro of a generic article covering a huge topic, when there are so ver many candidates.
 * Amandajm (talk) 11:35, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
 * OK, I see your point about the level of detail in describing the history of one building for a lead image in that article. I've made a few tweaks to the caption but I am leaving the bulk of what you wrote as it is. --<span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#008C3A 0.1em 0.1em 1.5em,#01796F -0.1em -0.1em 1.5em;"><b style="color:#01796F;">Pine</b><sup style="color:#01796F;">✉ 19:29, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

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 * Thanks, I did some editing. --<span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#008C3A 0.1em 0.1em 1.5em,#01796F -0.1em -0.1em 1.5em;"><b style="color:#01796F;">Pine</b><sup style="color:#01796F;">✉ 23:45, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
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Thanks again! Ocaasi 02:24, 9 February 2013 (UTC)

Featured_picture_candidates/HMS_Hood_2
I apologise for not getting the restoration done in time for the original nomination, but, as you nominated it, felt I should tell you about the new nomination. Cheers! Adam Cuerden (talk) 23:10, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

Following up Hedge fund
Hi there, Pine. So far, no comments at all on my post at Talk:Hedge fund about The legal entity; it will be a week tomorrow, and at least one editor involved with the page has replied on another topic, although not ours. Assuming no objections appear in the meantime, would you feel bold enough to make the move this week? Also, thanks again for the IEG invite; I'm now all signed up with my personal account, and eager to help once that gets going. Cheers, WWB Too (Talk &middot; COI) 18:13, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
 * I'll move the text tomorrow or later if there are no objections. --<span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#008C3A 0.1em 0.1em 1.5em,#01796F -0.1em -0.1em 1.5em;"><b style="color:#01796F;">Pine</b><sup style="color:#01796F;">✉ 23:43, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Y Done --<span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#008C3A 0.1em 0.1em 1.5em,#01796F -0.1em -0.1em 1.5em;"><b style="color:#01796F;">Pine</b><sup style="color:#01796F;">✉ 03:45, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks very much! Really glad we made that work out. As you know, I do have two more sections prepared, and I'd be happy to work with you on one or both of them, but I also realize this might have taken more of your time than you had in mind. If you're game to look at another one in the near future, let me know. Cheers, WWB Too (Talk &middot; COI) 03:57, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
 * You're welcome. I learned a lot about the legal structure of hedge funds. And thanks, I would prefer that you ask other users to review your next sections. --<span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#008C3A 0.1em 0.1em 1.5em,#01796F -0.1em -0.1em 1.5em;"><b style="color:#01796F;">Pine</b><sup style="color:#01796F;">✉ 04:13, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

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Congrats... You gave an awesome answer in the Teahouse!
Hi Pine! Thanks for your awesome answer to a Teahouse guest's question about unified login on Outreach wiki. It was really helpful! Ocaasit &#124; c 21:04, 18 February 2013 (UTC) <br style="clear: both"/>

Welcome to Wikipedia PDF 404s
From the last paragraph of the first welcome box here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Welcoming_committee/Welcome_to_Wikipedia Hope you can help! Thomas Craven (talk) 21:34, 18 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Pictogram voting keep.svg Fixed --<span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#008C3A 0.1em 0.1em 1.5em,#01796F -0.1em -0.1em 1.5em;"><b style="color:#01796F;">Pine</b><sup style="color:#01796F;">✉ 20:36, 20 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Molte grazie! -Thomas Craven (talk) 20:47, 20 February 2013 (UTC)

Re: David Teece
Hey Pine,

Regarding your comment on this entry from last August: "The article sounds much more promotional than what I usually see in Wikipedia BLP articles so I've tagged the article with the autobiography template. The article needs to work on NPOV. BLP policy says "BLPs should be written responsibly, cautiously, and in a dispassionate tone..." Pine✉ 18:55, 6 August 2012 (UTC)." Have your concerns been addressed by the revisions since then? Is yes, can you advise on how to remove the tag for the autobiography template? If no, do you have suggestions on what else to do?

Thank you for your help on improving the page. --PanKirkham (talk) 19:14, 21 February 2013 (UTC)


 * The Wikipedia article still seems promotional to me. Among other things, it fails to mention Teece's firing from LEGC, his tax problems with the IRS, the bankruptcy of his "New Zealand-based clothing company", and his association with "controversial" bankruptcy trustee R. Todd Neilson. See the following news articles. One of Wikipedia's "pillars" is that Wikipedia articles should have a Neutral point of view, which in this case would mean that both the favorable and unfavorable information should be documented in the Wikipedia article about David Teece.


 * http://www.berkeleydailyplanet.com/issue/2009-09-24/article/33796
 * http://www.berkeleydailyplanet.com/issue/2009-02-05/article/32202
 * http://www.showbiz411.com/2011/06/06/billy-preston-estate-still-not-settled-of-the-fifth-beatle
 * http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10604859


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 * To clarify, I'm not saying that every last negative detail needs to be included in the article, but the article surely needs a more neutral balance of information than it has at present. --<span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#008C3A 0.1em 0.1em 1.5em,#01796F -0.1em -0.1em 1.5em;"><b style="color:#01796F;">Pine</b><sup style="color:#01796F;">✉ 08:35, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

The Tea Leaf - Issue Seven (special Birthday recap)


It's been a full year since the Teahouse opened, and as we're reflecting on what's been accomplished, we wanted to celebrate with you.

Teahouse guests and hosts are sharing their stories in a new blog post about the project.

1 year statistics for Teahouse visitors compared to invited non-visitors from the pilot:

Over the past year almost 2000 questions have been asked and answered, 669 editors have introduced themselves, 1670 guests have been served, 867 experienced Wikipedians have participated in the project, and 137 have served as hosts. Read more project analysis in our CSCW 2013 paper

Last month January was our most active month so far! 78 profiles were created, 46 active hosts answered 263 questions, and 11 new hosts joined the project.

Come by the Teahouse to share a cup of tea and enjoy a Birthday Cupcake! Happy Birthday to the Teahouse and thank you for a year's worth of interest and support :-)
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Infobox photo consensus discussion
Hi. Can you offer your opinion on which photo is more appropriate for the Infobox in the Scott Allie article in this discussion? You don't need to know anything about Allie; I'm contacting you because you've worked on matters pertaining to photography. I tried contacting lots of editors who work on comics-related articles, but every time I do so, we wind up with the sentiments split down the middle, and no clear consensus. I'm thinking perhaps that people who work on matters dealing with photography might be able to offer viewpoints that yield a consensus. Thank you. Nightscream (talk) 15:40, 9 March 2013 (UTC)


 * Replied. --<span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#008C3A 0.1em 0.1em 1.5em,#01796F -0.1em -0.1em 1.5em;"><b style="color:#01796F;">Pine</b><sup style="color:#01796F;">✉ 23:49, 10 March 2013 (UTC)

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A barnstar for you!

 * Thanks! --<span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#008C3A 0.1em 0.1em 1.5em,#01796F -0.1em -0.1em 1.5em;"><b style="color:#01796F;">Pine</b><sup style="color:#01796F;">✉ 04:22, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

Signpost
Hi how are you? I was wondering if the Featured content report for this week will include Sarah Connor discography, which was promoted on the 25th, or if it will be in the next edition of Signpost. Thanks <font color="#007BA7">Till 02:23, 27 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi! The Signpost FC reports cover content from the previous week. The Sarah Connor discography will be included in next week's FC report. --<span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#008C3A 0.1em 0.1em 1.5em,#01796F -0.1em -0.1em 1.5em;"><b style="color:#01796F;">Pine</b><sup style="color:#01796F;">✉ 04:48, 27 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Okay thanks for your reply :) <font color="#007BA7">Till 04:58, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

Requesting your opinion
Hi. Can you offer your opinion on a photo in this discussion? Thanks. Nightscream (talk) 02:58, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
 * That discussion seems to have WP:SNOWed. I've closed it. --<span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#008C3A 0.1em 0.1em 1.5em,#01796F -0.1em -0.1em 1.5em;"><b style="color:#01796F;">Pine</b><sup style="color:#01796F;">✉ 04:02, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

USS Oriskany
It looks like the image has been cropped a bit, which explains the smaller size. That said, at full resolution, there's still a lot of damage, so I'll add it to the queue. Adam Cuerden (talk) 21:50, 31 March 2013 (UTC)

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WikiCup in the Signpost
Hi, sorry for the delay- I'll be able to write a couple of paragraphs explaining what the WikiCup is and give a quick update on how things are going so far this year. I'll get it to you by this evening. J Milburn (talk) 10:59, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi there- I've written something- is this the kind of thing you were after? Ed may have something he wishes to add. J Milburn (talk) 15:51, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks, that will work. Would you mind if I changed "32 [NOTE: THIS MAY BECOME 33, PENDING THE RESULT OF A DISCUSSION]" to "32 or 33 (pending the result of a discussion)"? With that change I'd like to include your whole update in the FC report for this week. --<span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#008C3A 0.1em 0.1em 1.5em,#01796F -0.1em -0.1em 1.5em;"><b style="color:#01796F;">Pine</b><sup style="color:#01796F;">✉ 20:13, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Yeah, sorry, that was a note for you. I suppose "fewer than 35" may work, as the particular discussion is certainly way outside scope of this article. I'll update it if something is decided before/shortly after the issue goes out. J Milburn (talk) 23:27, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
 * OK, I'll do a copypaste of your text and use "fewer than 35". You can update the FC report directly if you get more info. I'm crediting you for writing that section of the report. --<span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#008C3A 0.1em 0.1em 1.5em,#01796F -0.1em -0.1em 1.5em;"><b style="color:#01796F;">Pine</b><sup style="color:#01796F;">✉ 23:33, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

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Assistance
Greetings Pine I'm again running an science image project for my AP Biology students. Any help or suggestions of life science images that need made are appreciated if you have some spare time. You can find this year's project here. The students start topic selection and image generation Tuesday. Thanks, Earthdirt (talk) 14:51, 11 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi, I've posted some suggestions on the project talk page. I'm glad to see this project return for another year! Please encourage students to nominate any especially informative diagrams in SVG format for Featured status at Featured picture candidates. --<span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#008C3A 0.1em 0.1em 1.5em,#01796F -0.1em -0.1em 1.5em;"><b style="color:#01796F;">Pine</b><sup style="color:#01796F;">✉ 17:55, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

The Wikipedia Adventure: Text Mockup (feedback welcome!)
Hi TWA folks!

It's been a long time since we worked on The Wikipedia Adventure together, but this spring I proposed the game for an Individual Engagement Grant and it was accepted :)

I spent the last two months refining the script and getting ready to build the game using Guided tours. I am working with an amazing designer and getting expert curation tips from the Grant program leader.

Here is the full 7-mission text version of the game: http://jatspan.org/twa2.html#29

I'd love to have your feedback on it, before I get started with the build. I would love it if you would leave any thoughts, tips, comments, recommendations, suggestions, ideas, or concerns, at WP:TWA/Feedback.

Hope you're doing great,

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Signpost
Hi Pine, I don't think I've ever thanked you for the excellent work you've been doing with "Featured content", so ... thank you! I've also asked Armburst to help finish this week's report per Hahc's request, as he's working on a story about the Spanish Wikipedia's one millionth article for NAN. :-) Thanks again! Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 00:55, 22 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the note! --<span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#008C3A 0.1em 0.1em 1.5em,#01796F -0.1em -0.1em 1.5em;"><b style="color:#01796F;">Pine</b><sup style="color:#01796F;">✉ 02:33, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

Featured picture candidates/Common Pierrot butterfly (1)

 * Thanks; again. J Kadavoor J e e 05:44, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

POTD notification
Hi Pine,

Just to let you know that the Featured Picture File:Mezcala Bridge - Mexico edit1.jpg is due to make an appearance as Picture of the Day on June 22, 2013. If you get a chance, you can check and improve the caption at Template:POTD/2013-06-22. Thank you for all of your contributions! — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:19, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

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Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Novels
I see your edit at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Novels. Will that list this article in the same places as RFC with that parameter from the beginning?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 03:22, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
 * I think it should. I think there's a bot that will go through and add the RfC to the templates and tech category. --<span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#008C3A 0.1em 0.1em 1.5em,#01796F -0.1em -0.1em 1.5em;"><b style="color:#01796F;">Pine</b><sup style="color:#01796F;">✉

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Kahaani interview
Hi! I have been traveling extensively for two weeks, with extremely intermittent Internet connection. Although I would have liked to get interviewed, I guess the deadline is over, right? May be another time :)--Dwaipayan (talk) 05:00, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Sorry that we've already published this issue. Yes, maybe another time! --<span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#008C3A 0.1em 0.1em 1.5em,#01796F -0.1em -0.1em 1.5em;"><b style="color:#01796F;">Pine</b><sup style="color:#01796F;">✉ 06:26, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

Featured picture candidates/Peter Sellers

 * Could you close this? I've voted, and Armbrust seems to have disappeared. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:49, 22 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Armbrust has now closed it. --<span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#008C3A 0.1em 0.1em 1.5em,#01796F -0.1em -0.1em 1.5em;"><b style="color:#01796F;">Pine</b><sup style="color:#01796F;">✉ 06:12, 25 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Yeah, saw that. Thanks anyways. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:13, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

Hedge fund question
Hello, Pine! It's been awhile, and I hope all is well. I wonder if you'd be willing to look at a discussion that's been ongoing a few weeks on the Hedge fund Talk page? Back in May, I'd suggested some changes to the Systemic risk section, and discussed some revisions with User:Wildfowl. While he is supportive of the changes generally, we haven't been able to agree on how to handle a sentence that reads:


 * The large sums of money involved – globally, well over a trillion US dollars, and amplified by leverage – add to all these risks.

I'd prefer to add more context (for which I've offered suggested language) or remove it. Wildfowl doesn't think so, and would prefer to leave it. Alas, we've had trouble finding another viewpoint. Let me know if you think you can! Cheers, WWB Too (Talk &middot; COI) 14:17, 24 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Responded on the talk page. Please ping me in a week if I haven't returned to that page and there's still no consensus. --<span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#008C3A 0.1em 0.1em 1.5em,#01796F -0.1em -0.1em 1.5em;"><b style="color:#01796F;">Pine</b><sup style="color:#01796F;">✉ 06:23, 25 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Cool, it's very appreciated. I've also reached out to a few other editors who have been involved with the page before, although they haven't responded yet. I'll either ping you in a week or let you know what happened! WWB Too (Talk &middot; COI) 13:15, 25 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Hello, again! Well, I'm afraid there still hasn't been any follow-up discussion on the page since you last commented. You mentioned you had some concerns with the wording yourself; I'd certainly be interested to hear your specifici thoughts. If you can find the time soon, that would be awesome. I'll keep a watch there. Cheers, WWB Too (Talk &middot; COI) 19:42, 2 July 2013 (UTC)


 * OK, I'll follow up later this week. --<span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#008C3A 0.1em 0.1em 1.5em,#01796F -0.1em -0.1em 1.5em;"><b style="color:#01796F;">Pine</b><sup style="color:#01796F;">✉ 06:03, 3 July 2013 (UTC)


 * I'm guessing with the July 4 holiday weekend (I assume you're in the U.S. just because of the photo of Nevada on your user page...) you were otherwise occupied this last week; if you still can share your views on the Hedge fund article, that would be swell. However, if you don't manage, I'm probably going to go 3O with it before the end of the week. Best, WWB Too (Talk &middot; COI) 21:27, 8 July 2013 (UTC)


 * It's more that I'm swamped with things to do right now and people keep piling on more work. Please go to 3O. Sorry. --<span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#008C3A 0.1em 0.1em 1.5em,#01796F -0.1em -0.1em 1.5em;"><b style="color:#01796F;">Pine</b><sup style="color:#01796F;">✉ 06:48, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

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