User talk:Piotrus/Archive 12

Holes
I agree that Ghirla's comment was a definite ethnic slur, and I would recommend taking it to ANI. --Elonka 17:17, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Jeszcze raz
Witam tu znow Tymek 17:23, 26 July 2006 (UTC) Pisac to ja moge - nie ma problemu ale problem jest w tym ze nie moge wiecej doklejac tekstu i nie wiem co z tym zrobic

A co do zrodel to dodam jak juz skoncze artykul opisy obrazkow uznalem ze nie sa potrzebne to sam sa same herby klubow plus dwa plakaty olimpijskie pozdro

Rzeczpospolita article
Hello. From your comment to Rzeczpospolita article on Polish Portal: ...and seems to misunderstand the role of administrators (who according to article verify and approve articles). Perhaps the following passage from the Polish Wiki could be interesting to you ''Administratorzy w MediaWiki (oprogramowaniu, na bazie którego działa Wikipedia) w Ostatnich zmianach widzą, które z edycji nie zostały jeszcze zatwierdzone przez któregokolwiek z administratorów. Zapewnia to, że każda zmiana zostanie skontrolowana nie tylko przez wielu zwykłych użytkowników, ale również przynajmniej przez jednego administratora.'' I think it does suggest something you criticized. Surprisingly enough I can not find a similar statement neither in English, nor in French version. Maybe a good occasion to edit this article? --Beaumont 00:10, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Crash space
Unfortunately as much as I would like to help, I will already be back home in NYC on that date! :(  Páll  (Die pienk olifant) 04:02, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Move by Balcer
Please tell me you don't support Balcer's latest action. This is the kinda thing which destroys trust on wikipedia. Surely this name doesn't mean so much to you that you'd condone such an action. Calgacus (ΚΑΛΓΑΚΟΣ) 16:42, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

New barnstar proposal
Hi there! I see that you previously supported a barnstar proposal for stub sorting. There's a new one I'm trying to drum up support for. If you like, you can see it at The Stub Sorting Barnstar. Thanks for considering it. Cheers, &hearts; Her Pegship &hearts; 17:42, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Your new green signature
Your new signature is more than three lines in my window without the datestamp, uses some shockingly obtrusive colors, uses smaller text than the standard, and has its own span class.

Could you please use something a little lower-key? - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 18:20, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I was inspired by the sig of User:(aeropagitica). I wanted something that would be easily visible, but not to obtrusive, and I think I might have overdone it a little. I thought about making it smaller with but you say that small text is bad, too...I am open to suggestions, see some of the ideas I played at User:Piotrus/Sandbox.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus talk 18:36, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Why not use your old sig, which was just fine? - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 18:40, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Because I saw (aeropagitica) sig and I liked it. It is easier for me (and others) to find my own posts in discussions, keeping WP:SIG in mind I'd suggest everyone had some 'striking' element in their sig. But yes, I agree, I may have went to far. If you have any suggestions how to shorten my sig and make it somewhat less obtrusive, do tell.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus talk 18:43, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Why not ditch the span classes and borders and backgrounds and just use colored text? - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 18:52, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
 * What do you think of 6b? It loses the span line, shortening it by about 25%, result is:  Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus talk . Yes, it is even smaller, but I think smaller makes it less obtrusive...? Compare to: -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus talk 18:53, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Piotrus, I have to admit, the current color kind of hurts my eyes, too. It's distracting, and makes it difficult to quickly scan a talk page.  I mean granted, it does make your comments easy to identify. :) But it's a bit on the unpleasant side, and when I'm just scanning "recent diffs", the amount of code can make some comments very difficult to parse.  My recommendation is that you try something else.  Of those at your testing page, I like #1 and #6a the best.  :) --Elonka 18:55, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree that 6a shows most promise, let me see what I can tweak with that (6a) Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus While on the subject of sigs, Elonka, have you considered addinga link to your talk page? It is very handy for others.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus talk 18:57, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

For now I am changing to 6d, it is much less obtrusive but keeps colorful talk link which should be enough for my primary purpose of making the sig easy to spot. Tnx for the comments, and any further suggestions are appreciated. If you think 6d has still to much code, I guess I could lose the span and go with 6i.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus talk 19:03, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

New signature (6d) test: -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 19:04, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

That's still three lines of code, and it's still really small. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 19:15, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
 * According to WP:SIG three lines is acceptable, but I will work on that. As for smallness, well, as I said, it can be either small or obtrusive, right? Although if you prefer I remove the small or sup tags, we can try those variants (but it will be more obtrusive then, I am afraid). See variants k,l and m.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 19:29, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
 * The obtrusiveness is due to the bright green background, not the size. It can be both illegible from being too small and obtrusive from being a brightgreen block. I still suggest ditching the backgrounds and span classes. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 19:32, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I see. Well, the bright green background is gone, so I hope we dealth with obtrusivness. Small size I don't believe is a problem: people don't really have to read anything but talk, after all we have our share of users with completly illegible sigs (for example using non-Latin characters). Remaining small background servers to make the sig visible on cluttered pages and I would prefer it remain. Border is not necessary, but I think it is a nice touch.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 19:35, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

If I remove the small tag (version 6l) my sig is only a half a line longer then yours, and safely withing the 'two or three lines' lenght requirement of WP:SIG:
 * Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 19:35, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
 * vs
 * A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops)

-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 19:38, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Honesty
Piotrus, I was very surprised to see the recent post of yours at AN/I, where you said, I am not currently involved with any content dispute with user Ghirlandajo, and so Irpen suggestion that I try to gain something by this block is a sad example of bad faith on the part of an otherwise reasonable contributor. Huh? You absolutely are involved in a dispute, and a major one, about the naming of the Jogaila article. How can you justify your statement? --Elonka 03:36, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

I would like to stop useless personal attacks against me.
Saying things like "as you both seem to think that WP:CIV is a useless policy. May I recommend AfD it first? If you suceed I promise never again to bring the issue of your incivility up." are blatant personal attacks, and I would rather prefer you avoiding them. If this was an attempt to try and make me using insults or things like that, well I'm not Ghirla and never use those.

Admit, Piotrus, that the war between you and Ghirla is no longer a matter of content or opinions, as, like you said, you never edit the same pages. It is just a useless personal war. -- Grafikm  (AutoGRAF)  15:57, 28 July 2006 (UTC)


 * What's this, building a phony case against one of the few editors who had the guts to stand up to Ghirlandajo's harassment? Pathetic. I would suggest you look into Ghirnadajo's edit history (inluding his most recent announcement) for loads of actual "blatant" personal attacks. More newspeak and turning the tables around hoping to turn attention away from the actual problem on our hands, i.e. Ghirlandajo's incivility towards other users. Pathetic. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.5.247.158 (talk • contribs)


 * I suggest you create an account and stop harassing everyone. And incidentally, Piotrus advised you to create an account to... :) -- Grafikm  (AutoGRAF)  16:24, 28 July 2006 (UTC)


 * I replied on your talk page, Im sure you will understand that it is Ghirlandajo who needs to review his behaviour. Full (reconciliatory) reply there. 83.5.247.158 16:42, 28 July 2006 (UTC) PS Forgive me Piotrus, I have been labelled a troll by some, which might be used against you, just wanted to let you know that you shouldnt cave in under the pressure of the unjust comments of a few. 83.5.247.158 16:42, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, and when you take off your mask and register, maybe people will consider you to be a person, instead of the troll that you object being referred to as. For an anonymous user you sure do seem to know the ropes and the ins and outs of WK. I've personally stated that I doubt that you are user:Molobo, since you seem to be a lot more intelligent than he was. Dr. Dan 17:24, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Piotrus knows as well as I do that I warned Ghirla several times about his incivility.
 * P.S.: Piotrus, what's up with your talk page layout. Comments don't seem to indent? -- Grafikm  (AutoGRAF)  16:43, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I apologize Grafikm for the confusion, the remark was not adressed to you, as you are a very civil editor, it was adressed to Calgacus, who is not. As for the indent problem, I've noticed it lately, but have not figured out how to fix it yet. Will try to do so soon.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 16:51, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Stop the slander please
Piotrus, do you want to ease it down with the slander. I was only trying to defend Ghirla. Attacking the character of everyone who speaks up for him hardly looks good, especially considering you are supposed to be behaving like an admin. I'm only on wikipedia to write articles and keep things NPOV and help maintain fairness. Calgacus (ΚΑΛΓΑΚΟΣ) 17:03, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't remove comments from my talk page, as some other editors do, but your accusation of slander is just another violation of WP:PA in your record.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 18:44, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
 * seeing that in your very last edit before this one, you very maturely called for a return to content creation, you do not look very good here. It's ok to have an ego, Piotrus, but if you hysterically jump at anyone criticising you, people will stop listening to you, much like to the boy who cried wolf. Now try to follow your own advice and forget this all happened.  dab (&#5839;) 19:28, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Do tell were I am "hysterically jump[ing] at anyone criticising [me]". Do you mean my reply to Calgacus? I am sorry, but when somebody accuses me of slander, I feel I should reply. If you would be accused of slander, would you not reply? I am sorry, but for me lack of reply equals silent agreement, and I don't agree with Calgacus I am slandering him (of course he never provides any evidence for his accusations). Unless you think I should consider this a WP:DFTT case and remove the comment from my talk?--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 19:38, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Actually, I often see lack of reply as "Maturity enough to refrain from kneejerk reactions to uncivil statements." There is great wisdom in the saying, "The person to listen to, is the person who speaks the least."  ;) --Elonka 19:51, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I will take this into consideration. :) Hopefully those are the last aftershocks of this incident...--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 19:53, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

DYK
Many thanks for the nomination. I thought it was a brilliant choice for a topic on an article, and hope that it benefits from the exposure of the main page. Thanks -- Samir   धर्म  20:53, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Category:Proceedings by edit status
Hi Piotrus. I think your questions should be answered by the Guidelines for contributors. Submissions will be advanced through the edit statuses by the editors. --ⁿɡ͡b Nick Boalch \ talk 00:20, 29 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Well, the reason for that is that only one person has sent us the text of their presentation yet (well, actually the image -- it's a poster). We should be sending out an email to all the contributors shortly encouraging you all to send in your texts, and then things will start moving up through the categories.
 * The Guidelines are linked prominently from Proceedings:Introduction, which is the page that the 'This page is part of the Proceedings of Wikimania 2006' header at the top of every page in the proceedings links to.
 * You can contact the Editors either through our talk pages or by using wikimania-program at wikimedia.org.
 * --ⁿɡ͡b Nick Boalch \ talk 00:34, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Template translation
Can you please update this to be in English? Or is there some reason that it should stay in Polish? Subdivision term polish --Elonka 00:56, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Max Weber at WP:FAR
Featured article review/Max Weber. Do you think that you could remember which source the different facts came from? Jkelly 04:29, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Rewriting the marxism article
Hi, I was hoping you could look at User:JenLouise/Marxism proposed and give me your ideas. I think you'll see from the outline that I've created, that I have really big plans for creating a Marxism article that is structured and comprehensive and deals with everything that Marxism implies. It's a big task, and I need as much help as I can get! Cheers JenLouise 23:15, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Lodging
I already have someone staying with me, although I'm not quite sure when she's leaving. I'll see if I can find out her travel plans in more detail. moink 01:54, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

John I Albert of Poland
Wouldn't you prefer John I Albert, rather than having the "of Poland" form? The "of Poland" format doesn't seem to be popular, we might be better deciding now to just go for name and nickname, and have a big vote in the future about the use of the "of Poland" format for all Polish monarchs. Regards, --Calgacus (ΚΑΛΓΑΚΟΣ) 23:14, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Question about Polish phrase
What does the phrase Prawo ulicy mean? It is the Polish title of the U.S. TV series The Wire. I ask because I want to add the information to the English article. Thanks. Andrew Levine 09:52, 1 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks again for the quick answer. Andrew Levine 15:22, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Piotr Blass
This article Piotr Blass is a clear vanity article. It author can be easily found by tracing his ip address. This is a clear violation of WP policies. Please help me to deal with this as I am unable to fight him alone. Thank you. Mhym 13:03, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Signature
I know it isn't my place to ask, but could perhaps alter your signature slightly, since it's causing text problems on T:TDYK. Feel free to ignore this, but it seems to be overlapping text at present. Apologies, H ig hway Return to Oz...  17:53, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Wojciech Bobowski
I noticed you had included a link to Wojciech Bobowski while it did not exist yet. I just created this article a couple of days ago. Would you be so nice to take a look at it? Perhaps you can find some Polish-language information about the man, whom I find very interesting. I hope to be able to include more information in the near future, and translate it in a couple of languages, hoping to attract other contributors. Best regards, Benne ['bɛnə] (talk) 20:37, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Serdecznie dziękuję! You did a great job. I was surprised to find no article about the man, he truly deserved one. Would it be appropriate to include the lyrics of (one of) his psalms? --Benne ['bɛnə] (talk) 16:34, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

DYK
When I was updating the template the suggestion was getting too old, we're not short on suggestions. You have at least 2 or 3 articles on the template each week anyway.--Peta 23:56, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Abu Mansur Daqiqi
I'm afraid I can't be of much help to you when it comes to this article. --Benne ['bɛnə] (talk) 00:10, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Favor?
Piotrus, hope you don't mind me asking, but can you move Bishop Roger de Beaumont to Roger de Beaumont (bishop). I opened the article with this name because I couldn't think of another, then another user did a cut and paste move to the better title, which had to be reverted, thus preventing a non-admin move. Regards, Calgacus (ΚΑΛΓΑΚΟΣ) 00:56, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

crash space
hi Piotrus, i apologize for not getting back to you sooner. unfortunately i listed my name under the 'crash space available' list several months ago when i thought id be living elsewhere, so sadly i am unable to shelter you. sorry and good luck finding crash space!--gozar 03:28, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Extra Edit Buttons
Following suggestions from yourself and Ingoolemo I have updated the dev version of XEB. The new version includes:


 * 1) The ability to change the order of the buttons as requested by yourself
 * 2) The ability to hide buttons or show 'non-default' buttons.
 * 3) An optional set of buttons for adding references. These buttons are copies of those current in Ingoolemo's XEB script. These extra buttons are optional and only appear if requested by the user.

This new development version is in the form I would like to go live with and should include the main changes that were originally requested. The only thing missing is the other buttons requested by you (eg. Disambig)- these can be added later.

Details (including how to make the extra refernce buttons appear) can be found on the XEB page. I invite your comments before I move the code to the live version. -- Mark S  (talk) 20:23, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Edits on SU
Upon reviewing the diff, it appears I reverted your edits on SU by accident. Sorry about that, and sorry about my late reply. As you can probably tell, I haven't been too productive on Wiki for the past few days. Still, I'm sure my activity will increase again someday. 172 | Talk 01:36, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Nicknames
Piotrus, why? I don't care what the Polish WP does about nicknames for the kings of Poland (-Lithuania); but the style is archaic in English, and WP has good reason (being able to type in Casimir I without checking) to avoid them where possible. What virtue am I missing here? Septentrionalis 21:18, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
 * English appears to be different, even with Polish kings. Numbers alone seem to be more commonly used, and to disambiguate adequately. Septentrionalis 21:44, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

List of Poles
Czy jesteś pewny, że wolno Ci udostępniać spis treści PSB na licencji GFDL? PSB jest dziełem zbiorowym: czy może Marek Jerzy Minakowski dokonał wyboru sam? I aby nie ma podpisanej jakiejś umowy z wydawnictwem i może swobodnie dysponować swoim dziełem??? Ułożyć listę najbardziej znaczacych Polaków to nie w kij dmuchał, na pewno nikt nie będzie miał do tego zastrzeżeń? A.J. 15:47, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

W Polsce ustawa jest taka:
 * Art. 3.
 * Zbiory, antologie, wybory, bazy danych spełniające cechy utworu są przedmiotem prawa autorskiego, nawet jeżeli zawierają nie chronione materiały, o ile przyjęty w nich dobór, układ lub zestawienie ma twórczy charakter, bez uszczerbku dla praw do wykorzystanych utworów.

Twórczy charakter listy nazwisk z PSB z pewnością dałby się obronić w sądzie... A.J. 07:55, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Aha, w razie czego tłumaczenie, że serwery są w USA nic nie daje: prawo naruszasz Ty, jeśli mieszkasz w Polsce, lub pan profesor, kiedy udostępniał Ci listę na GFDL bez zgody pozostałych twórców listy lub wydawnictwa, jeśli nabyło z góry prawa do wyników ich prac. A.J. 07:59, 10 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Jestem lekkim paranoikiem, ale wystarczy mi jeśli spełnisz moją prośbę i porozmawiasz o tym z prof. Minakowskim. Możesz też zwalić to na mnie i dać mi do niego namiary (email, telefon, cokolwiek). Pozdrawiam! A.J. 09:57, 11 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Oczywiście jestem za, najchętniej zawartość wszystkich bibliotek na świecie widziałbym na Wikipedii, Wikiźródłach lub Wikibooks :) Znalazłem gdszieś email do profesora, ale wypróbuję go dopiero w przyszłym tygodniu. Na razie! A.J. 13:19, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Unspecified source for Image:Cover of book The Protestant Ethic and the Spirit of Capitalism.jpg
Thanks for uploading Image:Cover of book The Protestant Ethic and the Spirit of Capitalism.jpg. I notice the file's description page currently doesn't specify who created the content, so the copyright status is unclear. If you have not created this file yourself, then there needs to be a justification explaining why we have the right to use it on Wikipedia (see copyright tagging below). If you did not create the file yourself, then you need to specify where it was found, i.e., in most cases link to the website where it was taken from, and the terms of use for content from that page.

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talk:polish september campaign
I am here to ask you to provide your opinion on mine and Halibutt's "discussion" on the talk page of polish september campaign article. it has gotten out of hand, and I want this finished, I do not know why, when he states that "both names are equally acceptable" that he removes the one from everywhere on wikipedia except the actual article.

--Jadger 03:20, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Extra Edit Buttons - Dev Version
Thanks for being willing to look at the new version. I am only making very minor changes to the development version at the moment (e.g. replacing a couple of the images) so you can run the development code directly in place of the live code. At the bottom of your monobook.js you are including the live code using:

// Script from User:MarkS/extraeditbuttons.js document.write(' ');

If you replace that with:

// Script from User:MarkS/extraeditbuttons.js XEBOrder="A,B,C,D,E,F,G,H,I,J,K,L,M,N,O,P,Q,R,S,T1,T2,T3,U,V,W,X,Y,Z,1,2,3"; document.write('<script type="text/javascript" src="'             + 'http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:MarkS/Extra edit buttons/dev.js'              + '&action=raw&ctype=text/javascript&dontcountme=s"> ');

then you the development code will run instead of the live code. If you have any problems just put the original piece of code back (or revert it). Things to note:
 * 1) The XEBOrder variable controls which buttons get displayed and the order they get display. Move the letters round to change the order of the buttons or remove one of the letters to remove the button.
 * 2) If you don't define XEBOrder in your monobook.js then a default set of buttons is displayed.
 * 3) The buttons T1,T2 and T3 (see XEBOrder in the code above) are the new buttons for building footnote references, I think this is one of the things you asked for.
 * 4) The extra edit buttons shouldn't crash if you put a button in XEBOrder that doesn't exist.
 * 5) You will need to force the cache of your browser to refresh when you first use the development script.

Let me know if you have any questions. -- Mark S  (talk) 21:02, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Tłumaczenie miesiąca na WP-PL
Witaj,

nie wiem czy wiesz ale Konstytucja 3 Maja jest aktualnie tłumaczeniem miesiąca na WP-PL?

Czy nie masz jakiś gotowych fragmentów po polsku, które być może tłumaczyłeś na angielski ? Byłoby to a little ironic gdybyśmy teraz z powrotem tłumaczyli na polski. Pozdrowienia, Kpjas 09:13, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Thx
I'm watching those pages... but usually I do not have much to write there. I also usually don't start naw articles on en:wiki (my English is "2" but much better as passive ability, than active ;)). On the other hand I can help "Poland related" community with graphics on commons (if there would be some problem), because I'm one of sysops of Polish language. Radomil talk 14:35, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Wojciech Bobowski: copyright problem
Hi there,

There's a copyright problem with part of the following edit of yours:. The sentences about Ufki's Psalter are literally identical to a paragraph in the booklet accompanying the Sacred Bridges CD. I have therefore removed those sentences. Hope to add more information about the Ottoman Psalms later. Best regards, Benne ['bɛnə] (talk) 15:43, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Survey etc.
Take a look on your discussion page on Wikipedia-pl or give me your e-mail address (polimerek at gmail com).

Polimerek 22:54, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Template or category
Interwiki reports should be aggregated into some easy to access tool, like the Wikipedia Signpost/Series/Wikimania 2006 template.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 19:13, 11 August 2006 (UTC)


 * I don't think so. Wikimania and the ArbCom stopped; the interwiki would never stop; because were going to go on and on. The publisher, Ral315 also agrees with me. C  a  rm  el  apple  01:01, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Piotrus, could you please check Commons:User talk:Piotrus for a deletion warning. Cnyborg 23:33, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Central European military history taskforce
Seems like I brought our lead coordinator lots of trouble with my proposal on your discussion page. Well, we are two natives, I am really keen on an opinion and you have some reputation. Wandalstouring 00:11, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

Good morning. Look for more detail on the Polish military history taskforce talk page and the German military history talk page. Greetings Wandalstouring 09:51, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

Accountability
I've changed my User:Lar/Accountability page.. you may not want to transclude directly but rather take a copy. Or maybe you agree and are fine with it. Or maybe I should parameterise it? Happy to work with you as needed... ++Lar: t/c 00:30, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

Wikiproject
Cześć. Chciałbym Cię zaprosić do nowego Wikiprojektu - WikiProject Upper Silesian Industry Area zrobionego na wzór najszybciej rozwijanego Wikiprojektu na polskiej Wikipedii - pl:Wikipedia:WikiProjekt Górnośląski Okręg Przemysłowy. Część tekstu w projekcie trzeba przetłumaczyć, mam nadzieję że zrobisz to w jakieś wolnej chwili. Projekt ten ma na celu stworzenie bazy do poprawiania, rozszerzania oraz tworzenia nowych artykułów dotyczących GOP-u, w tym Górnośląskiego Związku Metropolitalnego i samych Katowic. Pozdrawiam. LUCPOL 22:38, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

Discussion about Ukraine hist stub
Piotrus, I read your earlier comment regarding the UA hist stub:

I'd be happy to use this stub and vote 'keep' if I am appraised of any similar vote.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 01:30, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

Per your request, I wanted to notify you about the renewed discussion HERE. Thank you for your support. Regards, --Riurik 05:23, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Your images on Commons
Please read here. --Ptr ru 09:47, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

DYK
They were both on the template.--Peta 22:31, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I notified the original creator of the cursed soldiers article, and added the talk page template (which has the date on it). Since the template itself is not archived in anyway there is really no way to keep track of what appeared when - except the talk page templates.--Peta 01:23, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Mikka's original research on vodka
Hi Piotrus, I think I mentioned this before, but please take a look at Vodka; User:Mikkalai has outdone himself in a paragraph of nonsense about "the second half of the 1970s witnessed two massive attacks on the priority and rights of the Soviet Union to market liquors named "vodka"." I've removed this a couple of times already, but as usual he simply reverts with a near-personal attack and refuses to engage on the talk page, where I laid out my reasons for rejecting the passage, which seemed to gather support from other users. However, as this passage was in the article for two months without anyone removing it until I did, I fear it will return unless others are vigilant. Regards,  Pr oh ib it O ni o n s   (T) 21:55, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Update: He's repeatedly been inserting this anti-Polish nonsense into Vodka without any serious attempt to discuss it on the talk page. Please have a look. Pr oh ib it O ni o n s  (T) 07:26, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Using wikipedia as a teaching tool
Hi there. It is great to find people working on the same ideas. I posted this proposal a couple of weeks ago in a blog hosted by the Chronicle of Higher Education. Since then I have received some interesting feedback, and the idea is developing rather fast. please, let me know how we can team up...

thanks!

From Conventional Classrooms to Online Workshops

My name is Adrian Lopez Denis and I am a PhD candidate in Latin American history at UCLA. In the last two years I have been looking for ways to incorporate the open source model to collective forms of historical production. From the beginning, encouraging professional historians to contribute to the development of the wikipedia project emerged as the most obvious approach. Most professional historians are both researchers and educators. Besides conducting their own specialized studies, they are often expected to provide hundreds of undergraduate students with a relatively wider understanding of the past. Completing a history course usually requires writing research papers, journal entries, annotated bibliographies, or book reviews. Students are expected to produce a certain amount of pages that educators are supposed to read and grade. There is a great deal of redundancy and waste involved in this practice. Usually several students answer the same questions or write separately on the same topic, and the valuable time of the professionals that read these essays is wasted on a rather repetitive task.

In the process of essay writing, students use an array of resources, from the overpriced textbooks and readers they are expected to purchase to more readily available online tools like wikipedia. Some of us would perhaps push for deeper levels of inquiry involving books on reserve, open library searches, or even the occasional dive into local repositories of primary sources. In most cases, however, the entire process will be a mockery of actual research. As long as essay writing remains purely an academic exercise, or an evaluation tool, students would be learning a deep lesson in intellectual futility along with whatever other information the course itself is trying to convey. Assuming that each student is writing 10 pages for a given class, and each class has an average of 50 students, every course is in fact generating 500 pages of written material that would eventually find its way to the campus trashcans. In the meantime, the price of college textbooks is raising four times faster that the general inflation rate.

The solution to this conundrum is rather simple. Small teams of students should be the main producers of course material and every class should operate as a workshop for the collective assemblage of copyright-free instructional tools. Because each team would be working on a different problem, single copies of library materials placed on reserve could become the main source of raw information. Each assignment would generate a handful of multimedia modular units that could be used as building blocks to assemble larger teaching resources. Under this principle, each cohort of students would inherit some course material from their predecessors and contribute to it by adding new units or perfecting what is already there. Courses could evolve, expand, or even branch out. Although centered on the modular production of textbooks and anthologies, this concept could be extended to the creation of syllabi, handouts, slideshows, quizzes, webcasts, and much more. Educators would be involved in helping students to improve their writing rather than simply using the essays to gauge their individual performance. Students would be encouraged to collaborate rather than to compete, and could learn valuable lessons regarding the real nature and ultimate purpose of academic writing and scholarly research.

Online collaboration and electronic publishing of course materials would multiply the potential impact of this approach. Users outside the class, the country, or the continent could benefit from the work of the students. Course projects could be run on relatively closed websites associated to traditional scholarly institutions. The output from these sites could be periodically uploaded into larger repositories based on a more open model of intellectual collaboration along the lines of the wikipedia project. An even bolder move would be to base entire courses on the creation of actual wikipedia entries. Under this principle, the interaction between classmates and larger online communities could be immediate and continuous. Students could run a wikiportal, write a wikibook, or even be fully integrated in an electronic course within the wikiversity. Discussing the advantages, disadvantages, and larger implications of the wikimedia model of collective intellectual production could be a valuable educational experience in and on itself.

Changing our approach to in-class writing assignments could be rather significant. We could produce a huge repertoire of dynamically evolving instructional materials, created by students and for students, professionally edited and collectively reviewed, free and copylefted. It could be very difficult to convince many of our colleagues about the practicality of dumping the results of their promotion-giving, sabbatical-swallowing, and ultimately unwelcome original research into such an anarchic pool of information as wikipedia is today. It would be easier to alter our current approach to essay writing in the history class, recycling an otherwise dull operation into a socially productive and intellectually stimulating practice. Aldenis 21:50, 22 August 2006 (UTC)aldenis

Podwójny identyfikator
Witam serdecznie. Mam problem, jestem dwa razy zarejestrowany na wikipedii angielskiej a chcialbym te dwa konta ze soba polaczyc. Po prostu zawsze loguje sie jako noychoH (z duzym H na koncu) a rejestrujac sie do wikipedii Angielskiej nie zauwazylem, ze zarejestrowalem sie z malym ha, po jakims czasie chcoac znow cos zredagowac nie moglem sie zalogowac, wiec - zamiast sprawdzic na haslach redagowanych wczesniej - zarejestrowalem sie. Teraz stwierdzilem,z e mam dwa loginy. Czy da sie polaczyc je w jeden z zachowaniem historii redakcji etc??? Pozdrawiam noychoH 08:46, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Wiem, ze mozna laczyc IP z zarejestrowanym, wiec chyba tak. Ale nie jetem pewien jak: spytaj sie na Village Pump (technical) albo na WP:ANI (a najlepiej i tu, i tu).--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 10:02, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

John Sack
thousands of Jewish Holocaust survivors ran more than 1,200 concentration camps, where they tortured and killed mostly German but also Polish civilians, including women and children.

Bzdura. Xx236 14:12, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Czy zechciałbyś poprawić swój tekst? Nie mam tej książki pod ręką, więc nie będę jej referował, ale obecna wersja jest antysemicka i podważa Twoją wiarygodność. Xx236 10:56, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Różne
Cześć. Mam dwie sprawy:
 * 1) Musisz zapamiętać jedną ważną rzecz - GZM nie jest metropolitan area. Nie chodzi tu już o niemiecką wikipedię, ale o twój tekst. Może dla osoby mieszkającej w Niemczech nie ma to kompletnie większego znaczenia, ale musisz pisać prawdę na Wikipedii. Dla twojej wiadomości: GZM nie obejmuje nawet wszystkich miast min. Lędzin, Bierunia, Tarnowskich Gór, Radzionkowa itd, itd. Aby napisać, że GZM jest metropolitan area trzeba mieć albo wyjątkowo bujną wyobraźnię, albo kompletną niewiedzę na temat i samego GZM-u jak i geografii. Oczywiście przez myśl mi nie przyszło aby ciebie czymś obrazić, ale obecnie powielasz te samo błędne myślenie co na de.Wiki, więc ci to jeszcze raz wytłumaczyłem.
 * 2) Druga sprawa dotyczy nie GZM-u, ale Śląska. Otóż potworzyłem na de.Wiki odpowiednie kategorie dotyczące Śląska - UWAGA: zgodnie z pl i en Wikipedią!!! A wikipedysta AZH kolejny raz zaczął revertować niektóre moje edycje, a dokładniej zdjął moje kategorie dotyczące zamków/pałaców na Śląsku z artykułów (przykład 1, 2. Z tego co zrozumiałem z niemieckiego to zrobił to, bo w artykułach tych jest już kategoria "Polskie zamki". Nie znam niemieckiego (jak wiesz) i trzeba temu wikipedyście wytłumaczyć, że Śląsk nie jest podkategorią Polski. To na pl.Wikipedii przerabiało się już dawno (zawsze możesz sobie sam zobaczyć kategorie lub popytać innych jeśli mi nie wierzysz). I na pl i na en Wikipedii kategoria Śląsk ma własne podkategorie nie związane z żadnym krajem tzn. np. artykuł Teatr Śląski będzie miał dwie niezależne od siebie kategorie: Teatry na Śląsku oraz Teatry w Polsce. Kategoria Teatry na Śląsku oczywiście nie jest podkategorią Teatrów w Polsce (rzecz jasna). W końcu nie mogło by tak być bo w wielu śląskich kategoriach są artykuły ze Śląska czeskiego a nawet słowackiego i niemieckiego. Śląsk kategoryzuje się niezależnie. Proszę, wytłumacz w najszybszym dostępnym terminie na dyskusji tego wikipedysty co jest grane. Możesz napisać mu, że to moja odpowiedź po niemiecku (po twojej translacji). Sprawa jest wbrew pozorom bardzo ważna, i nie można jej zostawić ot'tak. Sprawy takie jak ta trzeba poprostu wyjaśniać i już. Jeśli masz jakiekolwiek pytania do mnie to pisz śmiało, do innych wikipedystów (tych zajmujących się tematyką Śląska) również możesz pisać, potwierdzą to co ja. Proszę jeszcze abyś napisał temu wikipedyście "aby nie revertował sam moich edycji bo ja wiem co robię, a jeśli ma jakieś wątpliwości i chęć użycia przycisku "revert" niech zgłosi się najpierw do Ciebie aby sprawę mogliśmy wyjaśnić". Bo jak narazie jego głupota mnie boli, a nie mam możliwości wyjaśnienia pewnych spraw bo nie umiem niemieckiego i dlatego niech się trzyma odemnie i moich edycji z daleka. Proszę o napisanie mu tego o tych kategoriach oraz tego w cudzysłowiu (dwa zdania powyżej) w najbliższym możliwym czasie. Pozdrawiam. LUCPOL 21:24, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Weber and German politics
I made a bold move with the Max Weber article. Please let your thoughts be known here: Articles for deletion/Weber and German politics. Maintain 05:44, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

DYK
Nice article Piotrus. I enjoyed reading it (had never heard of Dukaj before this). Cheers -- Samir  धर्म 06:48, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

New User
Hi!

Can you please give me some advice?

Dukakis 00:11, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Pittsburgh
Hey! I hear you're a grad student at the University of Pittsburgh. I'm a freshman, in the business school. I think it's a strange coincidence that there would be two admins at the same university... RyanG e rbil10 (Kick 'em in the dishpan!) 19:13, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

False Dmitriy I
Any thoughts on where to move this article? Take a look at the discussion. Balcer 13:15, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Move follow-up
Regarding the September Campaign - please remember to fix links on the talk page for FAC, PR and such, after move.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 13:01, 31 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Ah... collateral damage. I fixed some of the most used double-redirects, tried to tidy up the intro in Invasion of Poland (1939), and altered the link on the WP:FA page, but I suppose I overlooked those affected items on the talk page. Sorry about that; I have fixed them now. --  tariq abjotu  19:29, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

log-normal distribution
Why did you add a "technical" tag to this? It looks like the kind of subject that no one could possibly understand anything about unless they can understand the introductory paragraph as it is written now. Michael Hardy 22:28, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Islamic Wikiproject Award
Would you be so kind as to go to the discussion about the Islamic Wikiproject Award? This has been a proposal that has lingered for donkey's yonks. I think the image is acceptable as a WP:PUA, but don't think the image is in line with most of the images at Wikiproject awards. The design is not well supported, and right before I was going to archive the debate for lack of support, someone else moved it to the Wikiproject awards page.

The current discussion is going on here: Barnstar_and_award_proposals/New_Proposals. Your input is appreciated. --evrik 03:13, 18 August 2006 (UTC) Would you please comment?


 * Islamic Wikiproject Award Archive
 * Renewed call for a Braintrust
 * --evrik 15:18, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Piotr!
Hey, I just wanted to leave you a quickie to let you know that this is Jeff, from Sunday D&D. I saw your t-shirt, and knew you were on here somewhere, and I was browsing something or other and your name popped up. An admin? Awesome man, you are hardcore. -- Boot 'N Rally | talk 03:10, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

History of the telephone
I like your disambiguation page History of the telephone but I think it would be a mistake to turn it into a full sized article because that would result in a call for a merger in a few weeks. Better to keep it small with a sentence or two for each reference saying: If you want recent history go here, if you want the early history of the Bell companies and their conflicts with rival companies go here, if you want the early history of telephone technology go here, etc. Greensburger 19:48, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Only to say hello Valdoria.
Hi Piotrus I just return of holidays & I´ve seen your greeting. I have to a present for you, please see: Image:Chopin, Statue in Warsaw. 2005.jpg

Ok. I hope to talk you soon. --Valdoria 11:05, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

History of communication
Very fine article Piotrus! I suspect that it will improve even more from the main page exposure. I tweeked the tagline a bit; hope it's ok. Cheers -- Samir धर्म 18:20, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Arbitration
Hi, there. This is just a note to inform you that there is an arbitration case concerning Ghirlandajo at WP:RFAR and you are an involved party. Thank you. Cowman109 Talk 16:51, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Image:Warsaw siege1.jpg
If you have concerns about the deletion of this image, please bring them to WP:DRV. Do not blindly revert deletions made per policy. Thank you.  howch e  ng   {chat} 20:40, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Actually, that's not entirely correct. Without knowing the real source of the photo, you cannot claim fair use. And even if the true source were known, to use the photo under fair use, you would have to discuss the photo itself; as it was being used, it was purely decorative (thus violating WP:FUC #8). All you can see in the image are Luftwaffe planes dropping bombs -- that could be anywhere. If you have any doubts about my interpretation, please feel free to bring them up at Wikipedia talk:Fair use, but you'll find that my reading of policy is the same as others'.  howch e  ng   {chat} 03:27, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Signal was where the image was originally published. Per German law, copyright is retained by the photographer, even in a work-for-hire situation. Regardless, the image itself isn't being discussed in the text. For example, Image:WW2 Iwo Jima flag raising.jpg -- there's an entire article about the photograph itself. This bombing picture doesn't depict anything that can't be described adequately by the text. I don't need to see a picture of planes dropping bombs on some city which could be anywhere in the world to get a picture of that in my mind. Unless there's some aspect of the photo that's specifically being discussed, it's decorative and can't be used. Regards,  howch e  ng   {chat} 16:09, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

History of communication
In my experience, a troll is defined as someone who remains civil, but encourages people to flame, normally in a non-constructive situation (see 1.D). I personally seperate editing and discussion, with trolling being an act of statement different to repeated insertion of material (edit comments, however, can be a problem). Whilst it was an interesting discussion of sorts, it really wasn't going anywhere useful to the article. LinaMishima 16:08, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

Respect
You take the whole burden of restoring NPOV to Poland-related articles lately. Instead of a barnstar, take these words as a sign of gratitude for truly improving the project. Truthseeker 85.5 21:22, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

That Thing We Discussed
Hey Piotr, the article I'd like someone to take a look at is at Friday_Nite_Improvs. There's a bunch of stuff that should be addressed in the talk section, and if you think it doesn't pass notability guidelines, please put it up for deletion with a good argument. -- Boot 'N Rally | talk 01:47, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

MedCab case
Hi, I am going to be the mediator for the Armia Krajowa MedCab case and the discussion is going to start on the talk page. Thanks, Addhoc 12:02, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

User:Piotrus/Wikipedia interwiki and specialized knowledge test
Hmm, ciekawy pomysł. Sam też coś zaczałem kombinowć w tym kierunku (az losowaniem stron), ale teraz zobacz: pl:Wikipedia:Statystyki :) Powoli się coś zaczyna ruszać. Przykuta 20:02, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Royal Castle in Poznań
I expanded it but I'm not good writer in English so It's for sure that it needs clean up. Radomil talk 20:51, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Yes, I am from Poznań :) Radomil talk 21:19, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

DYK
18:00, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Request
Hi, can you do me a favor? &mdash; Khoikhoi 18:00, 16 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Ah, I see. :) Can you please protect the Transnistria and Union of Moldavians in Pridnestrovie articles? An edit war broke out on both of these pages, and I think protection is needed. Thanks. &mdash; Khoikhoi 18:03, 16 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I know about that page. I just contacted you becuase I thought it could be done faster. Thanks anyways. &mdash; Khoikhoi 18:15, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

prośba
Witam,

jestem jednym z adminów pl.wiki. Robiłem ostatnio małe sprzątanie w szablonach do babelek. Między innymi chciałem uporządkować kody języków. Między innymi ruszyłem szablony języka (dialektu/gwary) śląskiej. Były oznaczone kodem si co wg ISO639 oznacza język Sinhala. Wg tego ISO język śląski nie posiada kodu jako niezdefiniowany (patrz pl:Język śląski). Po przeszukaniu pl.wiki, meta (głosowanie w sprawie śląskiej wiki), oraz przejżeniu całego ISO639 znalazłem różne kody przypisywane śląskiemu (si, sil, sli). Kody te oznaczają odpowiednio: Sinhala, Sisaala, niemiecki dolnośląski. W kilku miejscach pojawiał się też pl-sl - co wskazywało na dialekt języka polskiego. Po tej zmianie LUCPOL zaźądał przywrócenia błędnego kodu si ew, sil. Po dalszej dyskusji i wskazaniu źródeł (określenie języka dla kodu sil) LUCPOL bezczelnie dodał dodał w en.wiki ten kod do listy kodów ISO639, dodał wywołania szablonów na stronach kilku użytkowników oraz dodał kilka szblonów i kategorii na en.wiki:
 * Template:User sil
 * Template:User sil-1
 * Template:User sil-2
 * Template:User sil-3
 * Template:User sil-4
 * Category:User sil
 * Category:User sil-1
 * Category:User sil-2
 * Category:User sil-3
 * Category:User sil-4
 * Category:User sil-N

To co mogłem cofnąłem. Pozostały te kategorie oraz szablony, które trzeba całkowicie usunąć bo mają błędny kod. Na pl.wiki jak znajdziemy jakieś kompromisowe rozwiązanie i je przegłosujemy (prawie na pewno będzie to pl-s...) zmenimy aktualny stan rzeczy na prawidłowy. Nie chę jednak aby błędne wpisy LUCPOL'a na en.wiki służy za argumenty dla błędnego rozwiązania. LUCPOL cierpi na jakąś silną wersję Katowicecentryzmu i właśnie przerabiamy problem nieistniejącego tworu GZM opisanego na 15 wikipediach jako istniejący.

W razie pytań proszę o kontakt na mojej polskiej dyskusji. Malarz pl 19:52, 16 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Napisałem Templates for deletion/Log/2006 September 17. Kategorie umieściłem razem z szablonami bo tworzą całość. Głosowanie usunięcia kategorii oddzielnie wg mnie nie ma sensu. Nie wiem czy to dobrze wytłumaczyłem na ww stronie. Od razu dziękuję za poprawki językowe. Malarz pl 06:39, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Tu jest nasza dyskusja:. Malarz przesadził z krytykowaniem moich edycji, a sprawę GZM-u (nie związaną z językiem śląskim) już przecież znasz. Obecnie nazwę na de.wiki zostawiłem w spokoju, a wersja angielska jest poprawiona (dzięki wikipedyście Mareklug, znającego język angielski i polski). Wracając do tematu języka: przeczytaj sobie krok w krok naszą dyskusję i sam zobacz jak to było naprawdę. Pozdrawiam. LUCPOL 16:04, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Sibiraks
Man, explain me, please. Does "Sibiryak" in Polish mean namely one who has been in exile in Siberia? In Russian it means any inhabitant of the land. --Ъыь (mailbox) 20:30, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

need your admin duties done
Balcer has removed my edits on the talk:Erika Steinbach please warn/punish his for this. also, please start warning people for WP:NPA, as it has extremely gotten out of hand, PP accusing others of sockpuppetry to defame them, Balcer and Stettiner both attacking other users. This is of course overly simplified as you can see the talk page for yourself

--Jadger 05:19, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

sorry, forgot to add the link []

--Jadger 05:21, 17 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Alex took care of it. See User talk:Alex Bakharev. Balcer 05:49, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Please look into the matter on the Jagna Marczulajtis talk page, where Halibutt deleted my September 17th entry, and replaced it with his own. Thanks. Dr. Dan 16:00, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Your response on my talk page is incorrect, please re-read my issue above. It refers to the talk page. Both Halibutt and I editted it on 9-17-06, and he deleted my edit. In the meanwhile, Balcer has straigthened it out. Dr. Dan 13:30, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

what are you talking about?
what are you talking about? it is a reference to the cookie monster, a loveable puppet who loves to eat cookies, just as Balcer loves to delete my edits (as I have shown by the link). So I guess we are to look over all of Balcer's personal attacks on talk:Erika Steinbach but not a jocular reference to a much beloved children's character. please, although it is wise to pick your battles, it is not wise to be so partisan with your admin powers.

Also,monster is not inherently an attack as you claim, for instance, a motocross rider will say he got "monster air". Monster means in a relatively large quantity, not that it is an evil troll sitting under a bridge waiting to gobble up the billy goats gruff.

--Jadger 02:31, 18 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Piotrus, I have not found there Jadger is calling Balcer a monster or a cookie monster. From the general point of view calling a fellow editor a cookie monster per se obviously does not have enough venom in it to warrant a block or other administrative actions. On the other hand, the argument over the talk:Erika Steinbach sometimes becomes heated and I do not see any harm in reminding participants of our important policy. abakharev 03:10, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

nationalism
Piotrus, I think it would be best to continue this discussion on your talk page, and not on the RfArb. I wrote there are a lot of nationalistic feelings in both Poland and Russia (and also in the Baltic countries, for that matter). Do you agree with this? If so, you really should realize that trends in society are duplicated on Wikipedia. It would be very strange if this were not the case, and no, I'm not paranoid (in the sense of WP:CABAL). I also would like to draw attention to the fact that I wrote about Russian nationalism, which I implied is also present on Wikipedia, and should be acted against.

But what worries me the most in your responses, is that you never for a moment assumed good faith, and stopped to consider that I might have legitimate concerns. You never asked me about tangible concerns, but immediately threatened with ArbCom against me, and asked others to speak out against me. As an administrator, you really should know better than that and you should set an example.

As for the vote on moving PSC to IoP (39), check out what Balcer did with the vote of Irpen. And it is striking that the suggestion by Irpen was thrown out of the window by you amongst others, where the argument is first that "invasion" is not a negative term (as Balcer said), but that it should not be used for a liberating campaign (interpretation of your statements). Somehow this strikes me as ambivalent; it should either be one or the other.

Oh, perhaps a last comment: I am not Russian, nor do I have any Russian ancestors. I simply am interested in Russian culture, but I am looking at it from an outsiders point of view. Errabee 10:53, 18 September 2006 (UTC)


 * It took me some time to respond to your message, as I was quite upset by your statement that it doesn't change the fact that your post was uncivil and inflammatory. I certainly don't see it that way, and my intentions were certainly not to be uncivil and inflammatory. I am sorry you interpret it this way, but I won't apologize that I've said it, and I still think it is correct and needed to be said. And for the record, I didn't mean to imply that you belong to the group that try to push nationalist POV, but those groups (of Polish, Lithuanian, Ukranian, Russian and other origin) are present, and fighting nationalist POV (as Ghirla does/did) can be very tiresome.


 * In fact, I consider this RfArb to be uncivil and inflammatory. If any wrong doing is being committed, it is being committed by Cowman109 and Tony Sidaway, who both seem to be on a crusade. And some food for thought: I still think your first response is uncivil towards me, and if Ghirla would have said it to a Polish editor, he would have been blocked immediately (and for a better reason than his latest block by Tony Sidaway) Errabee 02:49, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

"Na pewno PD" a kasowanie
Może i warto w takich przypadkach rozluźnić politykę, ale w takim razie: zaproponuj jakiś rodzaj szablonu, którym można by oznaczać grafiki nie posiadające informacji o autorze i czasie powstania, do uzupełnienia. Ja się tutaj zjawiam z takim problemem gdy przywieje mnie z Commons, więc raczej nie ma obaw, że zlikwiduję za dużo :) Z drugiej strony: takie obrazy chciałoby się tam przenieść, a nie można: bo zaraz kasują... A.J. 18:28, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Polish troll
Speaking about dealing with trolls internally, maybe you should consider blocking the IPs of some anon who repeatedly disrupts UPA article. See this. --Irpen 06:06, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Nieszczesny Radziwiłł
Ech... tamto "źródło" mogło równie dobrze być skopiowane z Wikipedii... Podobnie ktoś mi na Commons podał źródło www.answers.com -- myślałem że się samo przez się rozumie, że nie tyle chodzi o jakiś URL co o ustalenie czasu powstania i ewentualnie autora malowidła... A.J. 10:45, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

DYK
18:00, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Orel
Just out of curiosity, how would Orel / Orẽl / Oryol be named under the current naming proposal? (My wife's mom is from there.) Dziékuje.

Sca 14:31, 20 September 2006 (UTC)


 * I'm referring to the city (pop. 330,000) on the Oka River 200 mi. south of Moscow. My old Times Atlas spells it Orël, which apparently is a derivative of Орёл in Russian. Generally in English I've seen it as Orel with a normal 'e' — however, on Wiki it's "Oryol," evidently a transliteration into English of the Russian Cyrillic characters.


 * Sca 22:50, 20 September 2006 (UTC)


 * "Orzeł" in Polish. :-) --Lysytalk 00:07, 21 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Re "if you care about this" — it's not a burning issue for me. I was just curious because I'd looked up Orel on Wiki and was redirected to "Oryol." Personally, I think that for English speakers it would be best to make it Orel, as that's what we're used to, then explain the other forms in the article. Just as Moscow should be Moscow, not Moskva, for English readers. (BTW, there's a Moscow in Idaho; my daughter lives there.) Sca 01:39, 21 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Don't worry, I didn't think you were being derogatory. Sca 02:35, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Commons heeeelp
My dear Prokonsul Piotrus, Do you have any pull on the Commons? Better still, are you an admin there yet? The reason I asked, This guy has launched a one man [http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&offset=20060920112308&limit=50&target=Ejdzej jihad] against most all my contribs there. I don't think his English is very good and his stern attitude certainly isnt. Any assistance you can provide would be appreciated. Thanks my friend--R.D.H. (Ghost In The Machine) 18:14, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Mom
Thanks for the heads-up, that's very interesting! I'm on the road right now, but will take a closer look when I'm back. I'll be sure to re-read WP:AUTO a few times before I go in and do any editing though! --Elonka 03:48, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Europe
Thanks for the pic!--SylwiaS | talk 20:26, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Please read licenses
I can understand the need to remove unsourced licenses, but when WP:ACP causes more work for us it's always NOT appreciated. Re: read the licence. Thank you.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 23:37, 24 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Sorry, my mistake. I actually meant no source, but used no license. But it's no longer needed because the commons version of the image has the full source information. Thanks for the note. --Abu Badali 23:47, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Sejm
A może to wynika z tego, że tekst zezwolenia występuje tylko po polsku? Po polski mamy: Zezwala się na używanie, kopiowanie oraz wykorzystanie materiałów znajdujących się w Serwisie Informacyjnym Sejmu w sieci Internet, z zaznaczeniem źródła ich pochodzenia - tutaj większym problemem wydaje mi się dodatek "w sieci Internet". Tak czy owak, przekażę to Stowarzyszeniu, magia tytułów lepiej zadziała z sejmową biurokrację, zwykłego wikipedystę pewnie oleją. 09:02, 25 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Załatwione, ja też się trochę pogubiłem w semantyce zdania, bo chodziło o lokalizację Serwisu informacyjnego, a nie zakres używania zdjęć, żadna interwencja u sejmowego webmastera nie jest konieczna, po polsku jest licencja jasna i klarowna. A.J. 10:05, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Jednak ten user jest uparty: zajrzyj na dyskusję Template talk:Sejm. A.J. 08:47, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Please help
Hi! I got your username from the Association Inclusionist Wikipedians. I'm trying to work against a band of linkocrites (see en:User:cochese8). You look as if you're a valuable editor and I could really use some help [preserving] a great link. I would ask you to review the discussion and vote keep if you agree with the link's value. By the way, you're welcome to ask for my vote to keep any information on this website. Thanks for your help! Cochese8 17:43, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

WikiProject: Historical information
WikiProject: Historical information is better organized than when you saw it last (as Historical information). Would you care to join it?&mdash;msh210 &#x2120; 22:00, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Template
OK, I'll check it out. By the way, you had asked me about Offices in the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth a while back. Does that still need to be addressed? Appleseed (Talk) 00:28, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

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Dariusz Baliszewski
I have removed "Professor at University of Warsaw," - Uniwersity Home Page doesn't support the story. Xx236 08:33, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Polish-Soviet War
Hi Piotrus,

I just thought it would be a good idea to remind you that your way of editing that article today bordered on edit warring. I count at least 4 (and more probably like 6) partial reverts in less than 24 hours. Only by the end of the day (UTC-wise) when Errabee intervened, did you accept to talk. Because I prefer to believe into fundamental goodness of all people (including economists :) I won't make a showcase of it. However, I still found that way of editing unhelpful and rather disruptive, especially when coming from a sysop whose behaviour should be beyond such things. -- Grafikm  <sup style="color:red;">(AutoGRAF)  00:48, 28 September 2006 (UTC)


 * I would like to commend Grafikm on this comment. There has yet to be a day when Piotrus or some of his wikifriends try to compile a report representing my editing the article as a combination of partial reverts and that would definetely be a Nuclear option and I have no desire to invoke it either while Piotrus twice tried to have his opponents blocked that way (Ghirla and Fisenko). Anyway, we all know enough not to revert war and I was particularly upset to see my content/ref adding edits being simply reverted, undoing hours of my work. Please do not do it regardless of your knowing that I have no intention to report you. --Irpen 00:54, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

Dzieki
Dzieki za powitanie! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pawel bielsko (talk • contribs) User:Pawel bielsko 00:39, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

DYK
User:Petaholmes 00:39, 27 September 2006 (UTC)]]

DYK
User:Petaholmes 00:39, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

Socjologia
A tak ci wkleję pl:Wikipedia:WikiProjekt Socjologia. Wywiad z kpjasem widziałeś? (polskie Wikinews) Przykuta 18:21, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Historia Sejmu
Mam składy przedwojenne. Zainteresowany? Picus viridis 18:55, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Wczoraj kupiłem w sejmowej xięgarni taką przeglądówkę. W poniedziałek zeskanuję; Twego maila chyba jeszcze mam. Tyle, że tam są tylko % udziały poszczególnych ugrupowań (spojrzałem, co prawda, tylko na Sejm Ustawodawczy). Picus viridis 18:58, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I będą mapki wyborcze; od 1990 w górę; dogadałem się (prawie) w sprawie 49 województw - ja daję dane, MesserWoland maluje. Poza tym znam syna Padowicza (You know, who he were), no i jednego prawie prof. nadzw., więc i może przedwojenne się znajdą. Picus viridis 19:14, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Renata Beger
Piotrze, I know the topic seems quite unusual, but I would like to ask you as one of the most reliable admins to take care of this article for a moment. Being lazy as I am, I tried to stuff the description of current events in the article, as I saw nobody did that, even though this would have been better done in a separate article. This attracted seasoned edit warrior, Paweł z Niepołomic, who succeeded at defeating me - this isn't anything I would like to fight about, and I currently have my hand injured, so I am totally unfit to fight any wars.

That said, after Paweł's edits, the article reads POV. Could you, as an impartial user and respected admin, attempt to restore it to a POV form and perhaps protect it for the time being, until emotions cool off? Thanks, Bravada, talk - 11:07, 29 September 2006 (UTC)


 * What I was trying to say is that I do not want to engage in any further debate with him, and I thought a neutral party with proper authority could help mend the article, but I understand you are not interested in dealing with this article either. Thanks anyway! Bravada, talk - 21:39, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

DYK
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Thanks for the beer!
It was good. Have a piece of the birthday cake.abakharev 00:39, 3 October 2006 (UTC)]]

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Holowko
I take this as a hostile act. You know full well that I am unable to find the original Polish name of the newspaper whose name I found in Ukrainian. Instead of helping me with figuing out what's much easier for you, as a native Polish speaker, you try to take an advantage of my ignorance of the Polish language to get the article your way. Please consider finding out the name of this Polish-Jewish newspaper instead of trying to remove from the article the referenced info that characterizes the Polish politician unfavorably. --Irpen 02:25, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

re:refs
Hi. In your version, last sections of each line floats over the first version of each other (making the left side of my screen look like a mess). I can picture others having the same problem. Dahn 20:57, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Not in the examles you cite, but it continues to do it every time I open your version of "Polish-Romanian Alliance", and I've seen this happen in some other articles where the system was used. This either means that the system has a bug, or that your version had a script error in it. Dahn 06:05, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Image:Kilinski.jpg
Załadowałem, proszę o wybranie odpowiedniej wersji "fair use". W przyszłośći postaram się przenosić na en: grafiki na "fair use", jeśli wykryję że zostały użyte. Pozdrawiam! A.J. 09:08, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Wyniki wyborow
Czy Twój mail z zeszłego roku (ten na post.pl) jeszcze jest aktualny? Picus viridis 20:13, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Polish-Romanian Alliance
Hi. I was about to add new stuff based on the sources provided by Andrei on the talk page. Let me know when you are done, please. Dahn 21:24, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I'll add the stuff in several takes (as I am reading the texts portion by portion). I'll let you know when I finish, and you may change the references if you will (perhaps try and see what the problem with themm in this article is - a script error, perhaps?). Thanks. Dahn 21:30, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
 * All done. Dziękuję. Dahn 23:09, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Show/hide
Piotrus, have you come across a "side" template that uses the show/hide feature so I can copy the code into the HoP template? I've only seen it used in the "bottom" templates. Appleseed (Talk) 23:50, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

Tony Judt
Hi... I wanted to let you know I reverted your recent edit to Tony Judt and to explain why. The external source (a blog!) you cited did not contain any statement from the ADL accusing Judt of anti-Semitism. The link is to a blog entry that contains an unsourced quote claiming to be from Tony Judt expressing dismay that a talk he was to give has been moved and rescheduled. The only reference to Judt's putative anti-Semitism came from Judt himself: he quotes 20/20 Network purportedly quoting the Polish Consulate purportedly quoting the ADL accusing Judt of anti-Semitism. Even the linked New York Sun article does not contain any reference to such an accusation by the ADL or anyone else. What is does contain is denials from both the ADL and the Polish Consulate that ADL objections played any role in the cancellation. Were you aware the external link you cited a source contained no such claim by the ADL? --Rrburke 22:04, 6 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Followup:
 * Quoting Piotrus:
 * TJ wrote "anti-Israeli anti-Semites (= me)" where me equals him, thus according to his own words he was accused of being anti-Semite.
 * Yes, but you offered the link to cite an accusation by the ADL, not Tony Judt's claim of such an accusation. For that matter, he doesn't even claim the ADL or Foxman or indeed anybody "accused" him of anti-Semitism: he implies that the ADL regards him as an "anti-Israeli Anti-Semite."  In neither case does that add up to Judt's being "accused of anti-Semitism by Anti-Defamation League," clear evidence of which a reader should expect to find after clicking your external link.  The most one might say is that "Tony Judt recently claimed his upcoming speech on Israel had to be rescheduled after the venue was withdrawn by the Polish Consulate in New York, under pressure from the ADL, according to Judt and Patricia Huntington, President of Network 20/20, the group sponsoring the talk."


 * The uncertain provenance of the message quoted by the blogger is another matter. First, I doubt blogs meet the threshold for reliable sources.  I know an uncorroborated citation by a single blogger of a communication (an email, a press release, a letter to the editor? -- the blogger doesn't tell us) purportedly from Tony Judt certainly does not meet that threshold.  Every reference I can find to this message from Judt tracks back to the original blog, and I can't find any other coverage of Judt's message.  You're an experienced Wikipedian, so I needn't remind you of Wp:rs and Wp:rs.


 * Quoting Piotrus:
 * Also, from NYS article: "Judt have claimed that debate on the U.S.-Israel relationship is squelched by false accusations of anti-Semitism"
 * Again, this does not say that the ADL accused Judt of anti-Semitism, which is what your edit asserted. It doesn't say who is levelling these accusations, and it doesn't mention such accusations being levelled against Judt.


 * Quoting Piotrus:
 * I wonder if you could look at Talk:Tadeusz Hołówko where we were recently discussing the claims backed by sources citing sources citing sources being translated in each step
 * Gladly. But I'm not sure they'd be germane to our present case.  Does your discussion mention cases in which A says that B told him that C told him that D pressured him not to do something, but where C & D deny such pressure was ever exerted?  Judt says that Huntington told him that the Polish Consulate told her that they withdrew the venue under pressure from the ADL, but the ADL and the Polish Consulate deny any such pressure was applied.  That doesn't mean such pressure wasn't applied -- people lie -- only that the claim that it was applied isn't verifiable and so shouldn't be included in the article as established fact, but rather -- if at all -- as something alleged by Tony Judt and Patricia Huntington but denied by the ADL and the Polish Consulate.


 * Besides, even if that were all true, it doesn't add up to Tony Judy being "accused of anti-Semitism by Anti-Defamation League," which is what the text you added claimed.

--Rrburke 01:59, 7 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Much of the story is confirmed in a Washington Post article. The Polish consul appears to to have backtracked and now admits to pressure having being applied.  The article now includes this information.  --Rrburke 16:14, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

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Working Man's Barnstar and Barnstar of Diligence
Hi! evrik suggested I contact you since you're associated with WikiProject Awards. After some discussion about changing the name of the "Working Man's Barnstar" to something gender inclusive, we realized that there is not much distinction between "Working Man's Barnstar" and the "Barnstar of Diligence". In order to avoid an overly-PC rename of "Working Man's", and given that there's not much difference between the two anyway, I thought it'd be best to conflate the two awards and have only "The Barnstar of Diligence." Your opinion on the matter would be much appreciated! The discussion can be found here. Cheers! -- Merope Talk 17:44, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Invasion of Poland
Hey piotrus, I'm awaiting your response concerning our debate on the Poland figure. I'm in favor of its remove based on the grounds I have argued. Have a nice day!--72.94.90.144 03:01, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Image:Rtm witold pilecki-aus.jpg
Hi, I'm an Wikipedian from the Hebrew Wikipedia and I wanted to ask, is it possible to upload this image to the Hebrew wikipedia according to the permission that you had recived? if not, are there any other images that I can take for the article in Hebrew wikipedia?
 * I think the permission applies to all Wikipedias. Perhaps we can upload the images to Commons?--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 16:23, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

Languages
Hello. I use them, they are at User:Darwinek/UB. Pozdrawiam. A tak na marginesie, nie rozumiem ataków Ruskich na artykuł dotyczący Solidarności. To jasne, że Solidarność pomogła załatwić komunizm, cały świat o tym się uczy. - Darwinek 15:07, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
 * No tak, zmieszali go z błotem. Głównie ghirlowi pomogłoby, gdyby gdzieś emigrował na zachód, między bardziej liberalnych ludzi. W każdym bądź razie byłbym niezmiernie wdzięczny gdybym zawsze jakoś dowiedział się od ciebie kiedy będzie jakieś głosowanie dotyczące "polskich" artykułów. Musimy się bronić, musimy się organizować. Zaolzie także wspiera sprawy polskie na Wikipedii :). - Darwinek 21:53, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Renata Beger
Hi, it's me again. I know you're probably not a fan of either the article or the subject, but as I have been convinced that this project is not a place for me, I would like you to keep an eye on it (I mean the article, not the subject ;D ). Paweł stroke again (see last edit), inserting content that is questionable on many accounts (I believe he is building up a POV theory by manipulating actual facts), so I guess some monitoring would be advisable. Thanks again in advance and have fun here! Bravada, talk - 18:17, 15 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Well, the "dark side" in this case is one of the, apparently, most revered and influential admins, and he is, apparently, with some vengeance, exercising what has just become the official policy, so it made me realize Wikipedia's goals are very much different from what I expected, and therefore my efforts would be counterproductive for the entire project. I am just very disappointed that all my efforts proved so misguided. I would be grateful if you could bring back our lovely Renia back to NPOV. Cheers, Bravada, talk - 01:45, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
 * PS. Seems like I am not the only person who is browsing the Internet at 3:42 AM CET :D


 * I guess mediating between myself and a WP policy, and more importantly, adopted principles, would not be very effective :D To cut a long story short, my aim was to help build an online encyclopedia that would provide the best possible user experience, while it seems that the primary aim of this project is to create a free content repository or source or something.
 * Oh, and I absolutely do know you are one of the most experienced and revered admins around here - I think I have expressed that before. As concerns the US timezone, last I checked there was more than one :D, but that explains quite a lot and makes me even more of a freak... Bravada, talk - 02:31, 16 October 2006 (UTC)


 * It did not occur to me to log out, so I get those orange boxes whenever I come to WP, and as a result my activity in WP has not diminished significantly... :D Responding to what you said and trying to help you get the big picture while cutting the long story short - I treat my "creations" in WP as a whole, or our common creations for that matter. So, an article is complete for me with all the illustrations, tables and other gizmos that make reading it more rewarding, not to mention the fact that a picture tells a thousand words.
 * The WP policy seems to be "if that's not absolutely and beyond doubt free, delete", while for the sake of enhancing user experience I believe it should be "anything we don't get sued for goes". Those views are quite opposing, and even if I could either discuss the reconsideration of some policies, or defend each individual case, this is not anything I would like to do. I have spent the past weeks predominantaly discussing policy issues, and the simple matter of retaliating the pressure to allow more "liberal" addition of links to people's favorite fan sites etc. consumed most of the time I had for WP. Rather than having fan editing WP, it became a toil and a cause of stress for me to have to push against the wall, just as if I didn't have enough of that in real life.
 * I guess you have much more important things to do than reading that. Thanks a lot for your concern - I really appreciate that! Have a good week! Bravada, talk - 12:26, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Bereishit FAC
Could I ask you to reply please? If your objection has not yet been addressed, I'd like to deal with it. Dev920 (check out this proposal) 17:42, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Template
Hi Piotrus, what do you think about creating a template for your Poland contributions welcome banner? Appleseed (Talk) 19:43, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Soviet-Georgian War
Hello Pan Piotrus, please join the topic here User:Kober/Georgian-Soviet War and add if you have any additional info before Kober will publish it. Thanks. Ldingley 20:04, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Gucewicz
Looking at Talk:Laurynas Gucevičius every once in a while I wonder whether I should laugh or cry... As in our public life, accusations in wikipedia fly high, yet asking to provide any backup is considered a bad thing. Eh...  // Halibutt 11:32, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Are you Piko..?
Cześć, czy min. twoim pseudonimem jest Piko i masz joggera, czy to tylko zbieżność? :) -- Kangel 13:41, 17 October 2006 (UTC)