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AfD nomination of Pierre Picault
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Repost of Fernand Goux
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AfD nomination of Fernand Goux
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Maria Pogonowska
Was in an Israeli newspaper, so that counts as "world media." Ryoung 122 06:09, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

Longevity claims article
Greetings,

I think you might be missing the point of "longevity claims": the point is NOT to have a list of true cases. The point is to show that longevity claims are near-universal (coming from any region without good recordkeeping). Thus, attempts to "clean" the list by getting rid of less-reliable cases misses the point. Ryoung 122 16:42, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Comment about WOP
I just wondering what your problem is with using a WOP reference. So you have to register? It's free. Also, the information there is often more reliable than what is in the media. For example,

http://www.suedwest-aktiv.de/landundwelt/topthemen/4007814/artikel.php

This says that Alwine Werner is "111" but that is making the simplistic/lazy error of 2009-1898=111. Her birthday is not until November, she is nowhere near 111 yet.

Ryoung 122 02:58, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

High-Income Economy
Comment: I don't think we should use the "high-income economy" standard...what about Saudi Arabia? That could be a mess. Just a thought. Ryoung 122 23:55, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Manchester United F.C. season 2008–09
Actually, Man Utd beat Chelsea 3–0 at Old Trafford in January, not the other way around. The most Chelsea have beaten United by in recent years was a 3–0 in December 2001, but the Liverpool defeat can be said to be bigger as United conceded more goals. – PeeJay 01:04, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

José Luís Ladeira (Miranda do Corvo), fal. 2003 (107 anos)
Hi Pistachio. Where is written the exact date that José Ladeira died in the citation above? This one is the only reference to José Ladeira's name I could find, and I looked well.Japf (talk) 23:09, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

Good work
Pistachio - I just thought I'd say kudos on the good work you've been doing with our longevity related articles. Raul654 (talk) 01:59, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

Thanks very much. Also, I reverted your Wally Baker edit because although she has died, she does remain the state recordholder. It wasn't a slight on you, it was just easier that way. Pistachio disguisey (talk) 02:04, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
 * No problem -- after I saw your revert, I figured what I had done wrong. Raul654 (talk) 02:13, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

Tom Heaton's squad number
Heaton has not been given a squad number at Man Utd this season. The #99 that you see on the squad page on the Man Utd website is merely a placeholder number. Fabio and Rafael were similarly listed as #98 and #99 during pre-season, but those were never official squad numbers. – PeeJay 19:45, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Marie Coulon vs. Marie Audy
Did you realize that April 4 1898 and March 29 1899 are different years, months, and days? I find it highly unlikel that this is the same person. Ryoung 122 01:32, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Language please
No need for this:. Thanks. Drmies (talk) 19:59, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
 * After looking through the history, I understand your frustration. Have you thought about asking for semi-protection? Drmies (talk) 20:12, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Sorry, I hadn't seen the protection starting and stopping. Good luck keeping that page clean. Drmies (talk) 20:21, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

French Algeria
Greetings,

I do not think it is appropriate to link French Algerians to an Algerian nationalist/Islamic flag. French Algerians were born in a French colony, to French parents, with French names, spoke French, and under French administration. Many moved to France proper after Algerian independence in 1962. Linking someone from French Algeria is not quite as offensive as putting a Nazi flag on a Jewish person from Germany, but please let's have some cultural sensitivity here: colonization or no, these people could not help what their parents did, where they were born, etc. After 200,000 deaths, I wouldn't want to be associated with the other side, would you? Ryoung 122 04:07, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

Unverified Supercentenarian claims
Please allow TWO years for unverified claims to be updated before moving to limbo. The purpose of the "unverified" list is, in my opinion, to offer a list of "footnote" cases that could be out there. As such, I think it is better to give a little leeway. Ryoung 122 15:33, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Mildrid JaMais
I refer to your revert after I added Mildrid JaMais to the list of verified supercentenarians who died in 2010, in which you said she is not verified after all. I'm a bit confused by this, because Mildrid Clements JaMais appears right above the late Theresia Staffler on Calment8 at GRG's website. (yes, they DID make a new page) Brendanology (talk) 13:40, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh, I see! Thank you for clearing things up. But then again, Table E didn't remove Maggie Renfro one day after her death... Brendanology (talk) 12:07, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I see. Thank you for your assistance. I hope we can continue to keep in touch.Brendanology (talk) 12:16, 26 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Greetings,

Please use the text-only lists on the GRG for the "deaths in year X" citations. Inclusion in the photo galleries doesn't mean the case is completed. It does, however, mean we believe that it is likely that she was 110. Right now we are waiting on the release of official documents. Ryoung 122 08:33, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

AfD nomination of List of serial killers by country
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I hope this will enhance your editing, and allow you to edit successfully and without disruption. JohnCD (talk) 16:55, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

Thank you. Pistachio disguisey (talk) 23:21, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

Anthony Sowell
I would call that a highly controversial page move, so please get consensus before you do that again. Şłџğģő 20:23, 29 May 2010 (UTC)


 * I have reverted your most recent BLP breaching move. PLEASE STOP and gain consensus on talk page before making such moves. – ukexpat (talk) 15:50, 1 June 2010 (UTC)


 * ukexpat is right. Whatever your feelings on the pending case, redirecting the article without gaining consensus is a breach of good faith.THD3 (talk) 16:12, 1 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Of course, PD moved it for the third time with consensus still not reached, and it was rewritten, leaving the article largely incoherent and not focusing on the subject most people are looking for, Sowell. I just moved it back and undid the rewrite. Even though we're on PD's page, it's pretty clear PD is not part of this conversation, so I think I should flag down an admin. Şłџğģő  22:00, 1 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Rewritten at the request of Ukexpat. It was not largely incoherent at all, just focused on the murders rather than the suspect, which is exactly what Ukexpat and THD3 were concerned about. Your argument is entirely different so don't try to enlist them to help you. And I don't know what 'flag down an admin' means, but I assume it's what you do when someone disagrees with you. Do it. Because it's the exact same debate that's already taking place, and my argument is winning, not yours. So unless sockpuppets are involved, it'll be the same result. Pistachio disguisey (talk) 23:12, 1 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Your rewrite was an attempt to solve a problem you don't believe exists, since you saw no issue with moving this page, content unchanged, to "Imperial Avenue Murders." The page is now indefinitely move-protected, and per the blocking administrator's request, I'm informing you that you're not going to be able to move this page from its present location to either of your other destinations until after you've gained consensus on Anthony Sowell specifically. That involves more than claiming consensus on Sowell was formed at an AfD on an unrelated article. Start a thread on Sowell's talk page asking for the move because as you can see, the "move" tab from the article page is gone. Şłџğģő  23:29, 1 June 2010 (UTC)


 * My rewrite was an attempt to solve a problem I HADN'T CONSIDERED. But obviously you never make mistakes. Your quite the Gary Kasparov. I start a thread whilst you get all of your admin friends to vote me down. Yes, I know how Wikipedia works. Pistachio disguisey (talk) 23:36, 1 June 2010 (UTC)


 * If you want to take stuff personally, that's fine. I didn't mean anything personally. I behaved like I did because I saw problems with the content and the person I felt was causing the problems wasn't bothering to discuss until it was too late. You still have a chance to get your page move. Şłџğģő  23:49, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

John Floyd Thomas, Jr.
I have undone your move of this article, per WP:BLP and Wikipedia's naming conventions. Please stop making such moves without discussion. – ukexpat (talk) 15:31, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

BLP
You cannot just move the article without completely rewriting them to focus on the murders rather than on the suspect. Just moving the article and leaving the text unchanged is an even bigger BLP issue because you are implying that he is the killer rather than just a suspect. So rewrite the text first, then move. – ukexpat (talk) 16:01, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

The end
Stephen Griffiths is a suspected British serial killer, so he gets a nickname. Anthony Sowell is a suspected American serial killer, so he doesn't. I don't know why, but it seems like the British are far more likely to nickname their psychopaths than Americans. I would argue our most infamous serial killers are Jeffrey Dahmer, Ed Gein, Ted Bundy, David Berkowitz, and John Wayne Gacy, and all but the Son of Sam (whose article is called David Berkowitz) have no widely-used nickname. Sowell will, and I can't stress this enough, never be known as the "Ohio Butcher" or the "Imperial Avenue Madman" or anything like that, because he's American and we don't nickname our serial killers.

Read WP:BATTLEGROUND and keep in mind, it's just a website. It's not worth a heart attack. Şłџğģő 05:53, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

List of surviving veterans of World War I
Welcome to Wikipedia. Everyone is welcome to contribute to the encyclopedia, but when you add or change content, as you did to the article List of surviving veterans of World War I, please cite a reliable source for the content of your edit. This is particularly important when adding or changing any facts or figures and helps maintain our policy of verifiability. Take a look at Citing sources for information about how to cite sources and the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. Your edit, which corrected the spelling of the unit for Frank Buckles, can be seen here. &mdash; MrDolomite &bull; Talk 15:37, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I didn't read the entire history of the article, I only saw your emphatic edit summary. The best way to inform other editors from making a similar edit thinking that "casual" was a simple typo for "casualty" is to use a citation.  It's not about "justifying" (your word, not mine), it is about improving the content and preventing future errors. &mdash; MrDolomite &bull; Talk 17:06, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

Ivan Milat
Please see Talk:Ivan Milat (serial killer). The editorial consensus was to keep Backpacker Murders as the article title. Thanks, WWGB (talk) 01:38, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't have strong feelings about the name of the article, but since there was an earlier discussion and an article title decided, I think it proper to have a page move discussion rather than a unilateral decision. Also, if the page move is agreed, then the existing page Ivan Milat (serial killer) should be used rather than the cumbersome Ivan Robert Marko Milat. Thanks, WWGB (talk) 02:21, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

Moving of serial killer articles
I've reverted all of these moves as the revert part of the WP:BRD. A fuller discussion of my reasoning can be found at Talk:Skin Hunters. Even when you named the article after everyone involved the other points I make still hold. Additionally when naming an article after two people I feel we have additional problems, e.g. who to put first. For this reason I think none of the moves are uncontroversial and so think all require a requested move if they are to be moved. Dpmuk (talk) 10:01, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I notice above that you have been asked not to make controversial moves without discussing please. Please make greater use of requested moves or your actions may begin to be seen as disruptive. Dpmuk (talk) 10:05, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Mary McKinney
See oldest people for more information. Ryoung 122 00:33, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

Mineno Yamamoto
You edited oldest people in a way that implied the death of Mineno Yamamoto. I am unable to find any online news substantiating this. Could you provide a link? Normally, of course, this would be referenced in her article, but surprisingly she doesn't have one. Matchups 02:07, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

Grim Sleeper
Feel free to drop me a line if you get much of this type of problem, and I'll liberally apply some semi-protection. -- zzuuzz (talk) 16:47, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

My edit summary was cut
Hey, let's try and not get into an edit war =D The edit summary of this edit was cut off. It should read: "'I'm sorry but even if BLP is not an issue in one case, it can be in others. Feel free to take this to the talk page, but it's a very big change to make without discussion. Thanks.'"

Thanks. — Half  Price  18:55, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

Ryan Giggs
The sentence you want to use, " On 24 April 2010, Giggs scored the first ever league penalties of his career in his 900th game for club and country, netting two penalties in a 3–1 home win over Tottenham Hotspur. ", has several problems. First of all it says that the match was on 24 April but there is no way to tell how many games he had played at that point. According to the Ryan Giggs at the end of the 2009-2010 season he had played 838 games for his club. 24 April was the 35 game of the season leaving three games to play, so if that was his 836 game then he didn't play in one of the last games. The main problem is that both the article and the source say that it is for Premier League games only so you can't include the games played in the FA Cup, League Cup, Europe, Other and Wales. There just isn't any sources. CambridgeBayWeather (talk) 13:03, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

I know it was his 836th game, because I originally made this edit a few days after the game. Use the edit history if you want to see for yourself. Then someone inexplicably removed "for club and country" rendering it inaccurate for months (no-one reverted on that occasion I note), and the remainder was recently removed. Yet another instance of Wikipedia gone mad. Pistachio disguisey (talk) 17:37, 27 February 2012 (UTC)


 * "I originally made this edit" is unencyclopaedic and bordering on WP:OR so I am removing this part of the text, which looks just fine without it. By the way the comment in the edit history seems to suggest that your wording implies it was his 900th game for both club and country, hence playing for them at the same time. Anyway, I'm not interested. It's not sourced, you've admitted it's original research, and that's enough to remove it. Cloudz 679 22:29, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

Don't put words in my mouth. It is not original research. It is addition. Following the game in question, the article itself already stated that Giggs had played 836 games for Manchester United and 64 games for Wales. The source for the 836 was Andrew Endlar's Stretford End.co.uk, the same source which is now showing 900. An edit shouldn't be disallowed simply because of the passage of time. The source for 64 has since been changed. Again, that is not my fault, but 64 is still sourced. And arithmetic is not original research. The text may look fine without it, but the same could be said of the vast majority of the article, and it featured in the article for many months, with no-one taking exception to it. And "for club and country" is a commonly used phrase in football. Pistachio disguisey (talk) 22:51, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

As Cloudz679 points out "for club and country" is confusing in that it appears at first glance he was playing for Wales and United at the same time. It also introduces the ambiguity that he may have never scored a penalty in any match before the 24 April one. Even if it was the 900th game that factoid it just trivia otherwise the BBC report would have mentioned it. Anyway the 900 needs a current source. CambridgeBayWeather (talk) 13:02, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

1. When you say "it appears at first glance" you suggest that the article should pander to people who can't be bothered to read it properly. This isn't the Simple English Wikipedia. As I pointed out, "for club and country" is a commonly used phrase in football.

2. There is no ambiguity for those who read the sentence properly. That's why it reads "first LEAGUE penalties" and "900th game FOR CLUB AND COUNTRY". Capitals here for emphasis, not incivility.

3. "Even if it was the 900th game". Why are you assuming bad faith? I've asked you to check the edit history and see that it was his 836th club game. You clearly haven't done so.

4. The source was current at the time the edit was made in April 2010. Use the edit history to see for yourself. It has of course since been updated to reflect Giggs' current total. An edit shouldn't be disallowed because of the passage of time.

I'm begging you, if you're so determined that this piece of information not appear in the article, can you at least look into what I've said here. Points 1 - 4 above have all been repeated from my previous two posts, which makes me feel like you've not read them. The following is the chain of events which has taken place:

1. I add a fully sourced sentence to article. Remains that way for some time. Source is naturally updated in the intervening period.

2. Editor X removes part of sentence for no reason, rendering it inaccurate. Remains inaccurate for some time.

3. Editor Y removes remainder of sentence as it is inaccurate.

4. I re-add sentence.

5. Editor Z removes sentence saying that it needs a source.

So Editor X, the person who actually made the mistake of removing part of the sentence, thus rendering it inaccurate, is the one who has held sway here. Isn't that ridiculous? Would it have made a difference if I hadn't waited so long to right this? Or even if only seconds had passed, would you still have said it needed to be sourced? Doesn't that give carte blanche to any disruptive editors who want to delete information? Sources such as those detailing sports appearances are regularly updated. Stretford End.co.uk was used as the source in April 2010, and is used now, so surely you can accept that the 836 figure was taken from there verbatim. Pistachio disguisey (talk) 19:59, 29 February 2012 (UTC)


 * I transferred this discussion to the talk page at Ryan Giggs, which is where this discussion should be continued if necessary, although it appears there is a clear consensus already. Thank you. Cloudz 679 18:23, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

Original Night Stalker
Fair enough.--FourthLineGoon (talk) 02:51, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

Susan Nelles listed at Redirects for discussion
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List of serial killers in the United States
I have reverted your addition of Kermit Gosnell to this list as he does not fit the technical definition of a serial killer, viz: a person who has killed three or more people  over a period of more than a month, with down time (a "cooling off period") between the murders, and whose motivation for killing is usually based on psychological gratification. (my emphasis).--ukexpat (talk) 15:47, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

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