User talk:Pitchorthie

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Hello, Pitchorthie, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Unfortunately, your edit to Scottish Conservatives does not conform to Wikipedia's Neutral Point of View policy (NPOV). Wikipedia articles should refer only to facts and interpretations that have been stated in print or on reputable websites or other forms of media.

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I put lots of time into the edit to ensure it was not party political. The points I raised were from open news sources that linked their stance on Brexit to their parties votes. Now there is no mention of their anti eu stance, which was not the case during the EU referendum and how that change has moved their fortunes or how they side on the unionist side of the argument in Indyref Pitchorthie (talk) 12:04, 24 July 2020 (UTC)
 * It's not just about being party political, it's about presenting subjective judgements as assertions of fact in Wikipedia's voice. The thing that I had most trouble with was this bit: along with the clear management by Nicola Sturgeon compared to the lack of management of the Covid crisis of Boris Johnson, has lead to a sustained majority for independence. You are saying that Sturgeon has displayed clear management, whereas Johnson has displayed a lack of management - however true that might be, it's a value judgement, which we don't write without attribution. So, for example, you could say something along the lines of John Smith, writing in the Guardian, contrasted Nicola Sturgeon's "clear management" of the Covid crisis, with that of Boris Johnson, whom he criticises for his "lack of management"; note however that if there are significant contrasting viewpoints, they need to be covered too. WP:DUE discusses this, but please do read the links about about the Neutral Point of View policy. Cheers Girth Summit  (blether)  12:33, 24 July 2020 (UTC)

Yes that line on reflection seems fair under that guise. Did the rest need to be deleted along with it or can that be re-added as is? Can you do that or do I need to type that out again with references? Pitchorthie (talk) 14:27, 24 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi there. I took a look at the other content, and I've still got some concerns I'm afraid. Look at this statement:
 * The party has struggled in Scotland since David Cameron stepped down in June 2016


 * Looking at the source, it supports the assertion that David Cameron stepped down from office in 2016, but I can't see how it supports the earlier assertion about the party struggling in Scotland since that point; indeed, none of the sources you added talk about the party struggling, or connect their difficulties with Cameron's departure in the way that you do in that edit. Remember that our goal is not to write what we know or believe to be true, and try to find sources to support it; our goal is to gather the best sources about a subject, and then summarise what they say for our readers - even if we feel they give an incomplete picture of something. Your content needs to be based on what is in the sources that you use - you might want to take a read of this policy on original research next. Cheers Girth Summit  (blether)  15:53, 24 July 2020 (UTC)