User talk:Pkeaton

Hugo Chavez
Pkeaton -- While I appreciate your efforts to improve the article Hugo Chavez, you need to read WP:RS and WP:NPOV. We must present things in a neutral manner, and back our statements with reliable sources. I hope you will continue to work to improve the article -- it needs a lot. But none of your edits are going to stick unless you have understood core Wikipedia policies such as WP:RS and WP:NPOV. Thanks, -- Jrtayloriv (talk) 14:46, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I have responded to your post on my talk page. From now on, try to respond to people's messages on your own talk page, though. I had it on my watchlist and would have seen it. -- Jrtayloriv (talk) 16:41, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

I agree that most of her edits right now were invalid. Please go through and deal with them individually, rather than mass-reverting them without an explanation. Especially problematic is her excessive use of tagging to prevent people from reading or working on the article. I would deal with that first, by either fixing the concerns (if she actually mentioned a concern), or removing it after explaining that she gave no reason for it. What I would not do, is what you just did, which is revert with an inaccurate edit summary everything she did. If you were concerned about the removal of content, you should have re-added it, not undone all of her tagging along with it. -- Jrtayloriv (talk) 16:46, 13 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Forgive my bluntness, but that is kind of ironic coming from you, who just mass-reverted all of my edits, many of which were grammatical in nature. I'll leave it to you to sort it out.
 * I removed yours, because they were going to be removed anyway, and you made no effort to do them in accordance with Wikipedia policy, which requires that you assume SandyGeorgia doesn't know exactly what she's doing, and that you waste your time going through and explaining to her why she can't add tags for no reason, and removing reliably sourced content. It's unfortunate, but you have to do it. You can't just revert them all without explanation. -- Jrtayloriv (talk) 16:59, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I understand you have the best of intentions, but explain to me this: In this edit, I combined the seven paragraphs of the introduction to four paragraphs, since Wiki guidelines recommend a minimal number of paragraphs in the introduction. You reverted it. I'm not saying that SandyGeorgia's edits definitely need to be reverted - but what grounds do you have in reverting my edit, saying that it is not "in accordance with Wikipedia policy", while allowing her to add irrelevant tags, remove sentences she deem "inappropriate", and dispute sources that she does not agree with?
 * I'm willing to let this rest and sort out the difficulties with the article. Pkeaton (talk) 17:05, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
 * You made an extremely minor change, following a large scale inappropriate edit. Reverting manually would have been a waste of my time. By all means, consolidate the lead if you wish. -- Jrtayloriv (talk) 21:23, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

''Posted before I saw your response: I urge you to look again at the content of SandyGeorgia's edits. I'm familiar with people who cherry-pick sources to back up their point of view, but that's simply not what she did, this time at least. She removed two complete paragraphs with reliable sources (saying that they're out-of-date or so) and added several other tags that are unnecessary in context. I don't think her edits would be justifiable in any way; certainly, they're less justifiable than mine - I did not remove any reliable sources. But I'll let you make the call. Responding at my talk page would not be a problem (though some users seem to prefer otherwise.''Pkeaton (talk) 16:53, 13 August 2010 (UTC))
 * Pk, please take care with edit summaries, as there was no removal of content. I re-arranged and combined existing text for better flow and paragraphs.  It may be helpful for you to learn how to step back through the diffs of each edit-- I tend to work deliberately in small edits so that other editors can see exactly what I've done and why.  I did not remove paragraphs or sentences-- I moved them to combine stubby sections and like topics.  Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 16:56, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Help:Diff may be helpful. Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 17:14, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

Citation Debate
You are invited to join a discussion on the citation style to be used for the Hugo Chavez page. I know its kind of trivial, but a unified style can make the page look classy. As you are an active editor your input is greatly appreciated. To have your voice heard please go to WT:VEN under the heading titled Citation StyleThanks!--Schwindtd (talk) 23:44, 16 August 2010 (UTC)