User talk:Plange/Archive4

WikiProject Biography/Article requests
What on earth is that page, Plange, and why does a supposedly new page have stale requests going back to 2004?!

It looks to me like that page should be blanked and started afresh or, better still, deleted. Thoughts? --kingboyk 18:21, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
 * The only old thing is the cleanup part -- it's a transclude and I'm waiting on a bot to update the new one I made and they haven't run it yet... Let me bug the bot operator again... --plange 15:53, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

Cite
Wow. I just looked at the talk page table of contents, and I think I'll put this off 'til the morning, when I can give it a fresh read :-) Thanks for the heads up!  Sandy 00:41, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
 * ah, heck, I went ahead and weighed in, but the whole thing still seems to be driven by three or four people who don't want to cite. If you want to know what I thik is an appropriate level of citations, you can find it at Tourette syndrome.  bah ... I should have taken time to formulate my arguments better, but I have no use for nonsense.  Sandy 01:51, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I reverted the main page, but they've made such a mess of it that I'm not certain I reverted to a good version . I think Kirill summed it up, and it's much ado about nothing.  They aren't going to change WP:V, and we can still ask for a cite any time on anything we want.  Math and physics aren't above medicine, and medical articles in journals use multiple inline cites for just about every line.  Keep me informed, if you don't mind:  I'm around all week.  I hope I reverted to a good version :-) Sandy 02:08, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I dropped a note to LuciferMorgan: other citers are Yomangani and Yannismarou.  I can send more notes if it becomes necessary.  Sandy 02:16, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
 * How about if I notify Yomangani (I know him fairly well), and you notify Yannismarou (I haven't interacted with him that often)? Sandy 02:25, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Is it hopeless?
They're clearly not trolls and so it is not a matter of "do not feed the trolls" but I'm beginning to wonder the futility of it all. I really don't want to cease having Science articles on GA but it seems like this one single category of editors are harden against in-line cites. It seems like the only way to get peace is to agree to disagree and part ways. Agne 22:53, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm starting to think the same thing. I asked Kirill, Walkerma, Yannismarou and Sandy to join in, and they helped clarify things and I'd hoped we wouldn't keep going in circles after that, as it seemed pretty clear to me. How many times (as you pointed out) do we have to point out that they can resolve these things at GA/R if they think we've gone overboard? Maybe being physicists they're looking for an exact formula of # of cites so they can know ahead of time before submitting something to GA so it won't end up in GA/R?? I'm getting frustrated too, as it looks like they've gone back to arguing in circles again.... Sigh. The funny thing is, that if they do only do their own grading (using A-class or GTA), once they try to take it to FA level, they'll have the same fight again as there's no way it will get through FAC without adequate refs... --plange 22:58, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
 * No, don't give in; they are an extreme minority, and giving in on inline cites will be to the extreme detriment of Wikipedia, which is already problematic in the amount of misinformation in the encyclopedia.  The whole thing is absurd.  Stick to it.  You should see the end result, in the crap we have to clean up on FAR.  When facts aren't cited, there is most often a reason, and they are most often wrong.  These few are not representative of all of Wiki. Sandy 23:06, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I do think there is merit to development of a GTA but you are right about it hampering them in FA. The benefit of a GA review is that being "laypersons" we can give them a better view at how a layperson reader would encounter the article. (Much like the readership of the front page FAs). But they can't seem to realize that to make these articles accessible to non-specialist we need a bridge between the information and the source-rather then just "hope" that one of the mammoth books at the bottom of the page verify the information. I think Kirill, Walkerma, Yannismarou and Sandy have made several very sensible attempts at consensus but it has fallen on deaf ears. I, personally, would not go about de-listing the current science articles because I don't want to see this brew-ha continue. However, I am concern about what will happen the next time a science article is nominated. Agne 23:09, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Wait til I delist attention deficit hyperactivity disorder, and list all the reasons. Now I understand why Bravada wanted me to bring it to Review, so the case can be made.  Problem is, the guy who reviewed it is a nice and helpful editor, new, trying to do his best, and I don't want to clobber him :-) Sandy 23:18, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I understand and you could probably do it in a gentle way that the reviewer will learn from it. I'm sure every reviewer has made some reviewing mistakes in their time. Agne 23:21, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
 * OK, before we get too far down the road of thinking that only lunatics oppose mandatory inline citations in GAs, tell me what happens in this scenario:
 * Brilliant written article from 2004, with references but no inline citations, gets FA
 * Article is defeatured because no inline citations
 * Article can't even get GA now
 * Overnight it falls from FA class to B.
 * Furthermore, as I've said so many times, GA should not be too tough. People are coming in now who had nothing to do with the conception of GA and want to turn it from a little badge of recognition for half-way-decent-articles into a one-reviewer FA. It's called good articles. FA is what we aspire to, GA is merely a stepping stone along the way. --kingboyk 23:33, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
 * As you've seen, that scenario happens every day, and it doesn't trouble me. The articles that get defeatured have no editor watching and tending them; hence, probably have much bigger problems than inline citations, and shouldn't be featured if we can't be sure their two-year old info is still accurate.  I wouldn't be so concerned about being tougher on GAs if someone over there would warn new GAs that they are nowhere near ready for FA:  they typically go straight from GA to FAC, which is sad and embarrassing.  Sandy 23:41, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

I think across Wikipedia there has been a drive for higher quality in our articles (to paraphrase Jimbo, "we have the quantity, now let's up the quality"). The tighten in criteria for FA (and subsequently GA) is simply part of improving the overall quality of the project. Agne 00:20, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Yep. Don't let a minority push through something detrimental, and don't let them think they can do it because they've rallied their forces to a straw poll :-) *Very* few people are even aware of this debate.  Sandy 00:32, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I can see your point. I was kinda disturb that they would so actively change/add/and delete the original poll. Really did make it useless. I think we agree that "token consensus" on a major guideline is not true consensus and as it states, this minority view is not enough to change the guideline. Agne 00:40, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
 * It kept changing while I had multiple edit conflicts, trying to record my vote. Nope, better to just keep standing up to this proposal, which will harm Wiki.  They should spend some time at WP:FAR, where we have to deal with the uncited articles that are still around.  I didn't know some people were so attached to those GA stars - I got one that I didn't ask for and wasn't ready for, because some other editor thought he could FAC my article before it was thoroughly referenced and still needing a copyedit :-)  Sandy 00:46, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Whoah! Girl goes to dinner and comes back to a new whole round at WP:CITE! Diving in.... --plange 02:57, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Food? Dinner?  What's that?  Sandy 03:02, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
 * LOL! Yep, I know, I felt like a strange animal let out of the zoo :-) Friend of mine's birthday dinner at a nice restaurant - wine, food, chocolate, mmm.... --plange 03:20, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Fun with citations
I wonder what all the people complaining about inline citations will say when they see my new article! ;-) Kirill Lokshin 03:51, 4 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Sure thing, if you have the time; the more comments, the better the article will (hopefully) wind up being. Thanks! Kirill Lokshin 04:00, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Alexander "Sasha" Spivak
I noticed you tagged the article with. I was about to do so, but I did a little Google testing, and the artist does seem somewhat notable, or at least something salvageable. As such, I've gone in and done a little cleaning, hopefully to make a case for either a full AfD or to keep it. I know it seems very un-notable, and I know how easy it is to just tag things assuming that it's vanity. Anyway, I'm not sure if I should put a tag yet, but if you're okay with it, I might do so and try to keep the article up. Thanks! — K e  akealani  05:01, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Uhm, never mind, it was already deleted. Oh well. Thanks anyway. XD — K e  akealani  05:04, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
 * (edit conflict) That's cool-- perhaps we should do an AfD instead -- when I Googled I couldn't find any reviews of his work-- just websites of their own or listing where he was showing. Lots of artists fall in this category. Person needs to show they will have an enduring legacy to meet notability, but perhaps all this can be worked out at AfD. (after conflict) oops, oh well, sorry! If they're notable though, someone else will add them back --plange 05:05, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Very true. Sorry to bother you and conflict and all that XD thanks for your reply! — K e  akealani  05:07, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
 * No worries - I'm just getting the hang of this, so totally open to feedback on if I'm doing things right or not -- in that vein, what would you do with Condefinism that just got posted? Looks like OR, but I guess that doesn't qualify for a speedy right? --plange 05:09, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Never mind-- someone just gave it a prod. I'll keep that in mind :-) --plange 05:12, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

New Zealand Dictionary of Biography
Hi Plange, First, thank you for welcoming me to Wikipedia - that is much appreciated. Second, am I right in thinking that the goal with the NZ Dictionary of Biography page on Wikipedia is to get articles on Wikipedia for all the mentioned people? There is no explanation of the point of the page on the page and nothing on the 'talk' page. Or is the goal of the page to write something about the New Zealand Dictionary of Biography? (Sub-text: I am well placed to write about some of the entries and it sounds like fun.) (Anarchia 19:52, 4 October 2006 (UTC))
 * Hi Anarchia! Sorry it wasn't clear, I've modified the language to hopefully clear that up :-) But, yep, it's a link to articles that are in the NZ Dictionary but that we don't have and need to create, so that would be awesome if you want to help stubbing those out! --plange 20:30, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

PlangeBot and AWB
PlangeBot has been approved to use AWB. (By me) Alphachimp 02:38, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks Alphachimp! --plange 02:43, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Any chance of marking those bot edits as minor? Check the menus at the top. Thanks, Alphachimp 03:09, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Oops, thanks for catching that-- done! --plange 03:14, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Please lower your bot's edit rate to 1 edit every 15-20 secs in the time being since it is approved but NOT YET flagged (as of this post), or else it would clog up recent changes. Once it is flagged you are more than welcomed to edit back as normal. Many thanks. --WinHunter (talk) 14:49, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Oops, again! Sorry, didn't know about the flagging procedure, just thought approval meant full steam ahead. Will do --15:22, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Invasion of the bots!


Tagging... check!

Assessment... check!

All we need now is a bot to actually write the articles for us, and we'll be done! ;-) Kirill Lokshin 05:22, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Cool!!! Thank you! My first award from MILHIST! :-) --plange 05:24, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Music bios
(What a cool award!) Plange, I just left two music bio FARs on the Bio To Do list - not sure if those should be added? I always check "What links here"; since one of them linked to the Bio Project, I thought I should go ahead and notify, since they are living people. Let me know? WikiProject Biography/to do Sandy 17:55, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Yep, that's cool, unfortunately we're now doing musical groups since we pulled in WikiProject Musicians as a work group :-) --plange 18:02, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
 * OK, thanks. Sandy 18:07, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Post
I responded to your post at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Films. Cbrown1023 20:00, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

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Johnston
I'm getting through a copyedit, but the wine is almost gone, so some editing may have to wait until tomorrow. Your changes to the lead do help in terms of avoiding confusion but there is still excess language. A small example: watch your "howevers". The word is very rarely needed. I hope my edits are helpful and make sense.

Kudos on the article. A very interesting read. Marskell 21:23, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks Marskell, I really appreciate the help!! I'll give it another read through too and keep an eye our for the 'howevers' --plange 23:04, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

About the Firefly project
Dear Angela, Just a quick note to let you know that I think you did an awesome job in organizing and implementing the Firefly project. I was cruising different project so see how the assessments are summarized and coded to link up with the front pages of each project and I liked yours the best--it is really elegant and effective. I'm hoping to be able to put something similar together for project Sweden, so I temporarily converted your design as a test in my sandbox to demonstrate how it works to the project participants. See the talk page for the Sweden project. Hope you don't mind. Also: If we have problems making our version work, once it's been redesigned and given its own look, I'm hoping it's OK if I stick my head in here to bother you again. :) Best wishes, --Pia 04:57, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks! No problem in using whatever you need and let me know how I can help! --plange 23:05, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
 * You are so kind! Thank you Plange. (I'm sorry I used the wrong pronoun on the Swedish project talk page. I didn't see your "About me" page the first time I visited your user page and then I forgot to correct it. It's done now.) Congratulations to the star! Well deserved. Best, Pia 23:54, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

My RfA

 * You're welcome! --plange 23:05, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

Put the star!
Come on, plange! Trigg desperately wants his star. Don't let him wait! Just put it! Congratulations!--Yannismarou 19:50, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Oh cool!! I just signed in after being away for more than a day and my first inkling it'd passed was this note! I'm so excited as this is my first FA! Thank you so much for your help too!! Adding the star now :-) --plange 23:06, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Congrats! The first of many I'm sure.
 * When I got my first I was surprised that the FA director didn't put the star on himself. I had to go to his talk and check "have you promoted it?" :) --kingboyk 18:24, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Tagging
Hi Plange. There's a new version of the plugin available; changes included the 2 buttons you asked for on the comments form (and 1 button I asked for :)). Haven't looked at the edit summary issue yet.

Also here's the politicians list. I removed a load of false positives by hand but it would nonetheless be worth having a sweep through it in Notepad to check for others. --kingboyk 18:22, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Re: WPBiography
You only added it to the code bit. I added it to the actual example for you and you can see what it looks like (seems I made a mistake with the table part... oh...) Ashi b aka tock 01:33, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Returned
Hiyas Plange, I've returned to get into trouble. Before I just start randomly looking for something at the Virginia project, is there anything I can specifically address? P.S. Congrats on the FA! ~ (The Rebel At) ~ 01:47, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Welcome back!! I went ahead and started the portal, but it desparately needs more content-- I only did a few in the attractions but it could definitely have more... The only other thing I can think of is crafting this month's newsletter? --plange 17:25, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I saw the portal and thought it looked great! Better than the rag tag thing I was trying to roughly assemble in my sandbox. Oi.  I can definitely work on the content for it.  As for the newsletter, I'd be happy to assist, but course, I've been out of the loop somewhat. ;)   ~ (The Rebel At) ~  19:00, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

User talk:209.32.71.18
Hope you don't mind, but I knocked your warning to the above user to a test4, he's gonna continue, and it'll bring the block about sooner. It's his 4th warning this evening. Cheers Khukri ( talk  .  contribs ) 18:06, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Leads
(Comments from Plange)..See if you can expand the lead per WP:LEAD...

What's the point of doing a good and/or comprehensive lead on an article when these "choppers" come along and cut the life out of it.

Example:

from this...

Michael Oliver, (born October 10, 1981, in Los Angeles, California, USA), is an American film and TV actor and child star of the 1990s.

Oliver's motion picture debut at 8, in the comedy Problem Child (1990), was not the typical performance American movie-goers were used to seeing from red-haired, freckle-faced child actors (Eddie Hodges, Ron Howard, Billy Mumy, Johnny Whitaker). It was the "demon seed" role of "Junior", an orphan child no one could control and no one wanted.

The next year he reprised the character in the sequel, Problem Child 2 (1991), and this was followed by several TV appearances, before dropping out from the public view.

Junior quickly became Oliver's signature role, a role that follows him to this day.

Oliver, rather than fostering projects he participated in before the age of 10, remains a private person today more comfortable working behind the scenes out of the public eye.

to this...

Michael Oliver, (born October 10, 1981, in Los Angeles, California, USA), is an American film and TV actor and child star of the 1990s. He is best known for his role as "Junior" in two Problem Child movies.

trezjr 11:19, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Don't despair -- I've reverted it with an edit summary pointing to guideline and collapsed the paragraphs a bit. I'm assuming (as it's been awhile since I read it) that the assessments of his acting have sources in the article itself... --plange 17:03, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Hi...and thanks
Thanks so much; I don't disagree that an edit was probably necessary, but jeez, leave something! It was even flagged for a further edit!

trezjr 21:04, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

RFA?
Thank you for doing a great job with Portal:Biography. I have been entirely impressed with all your contributions to WikiProject Biography and all around contributions. I also noticed you have been doing vandal fighting, and think you would be much more effective if you had the rollback button and ability to block, as well as the other admin tools. I was just drafting up a RFA nom for you, had to go away from my computer for an hour, came back and found that User:Kingboyk also wants to nominate you. I have posted what I wrote up as a co-nomination. I have full confidence that you will get great support from the community in a RFA nom. Hope you will accept. Your RFA from me is here. --Aude (talk) 17:04, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Please see User_talk:Kingboyk before you accept. If you only want the nom from Kingboyk and "another named party to nominate", that's fine. --Aude (talk) 17:16, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, I put my nom up without ever having even heard of AudeVivere before; it's no conspiracy just a very strange coincidence :) I'd offer to nom Plange some time ago, which she wanted but she wanted to ask another editor too.... Anyrode: Contact interested parties offline would probably be best. --kingboyk 19:57, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Wow, thanks everyone-- Let me check with the other co-nom to see if he's still interested...I'd love to have you as a co-nom AudeVivere! Thanks for thinking of me :-) --plange 03:46, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Oh, was wondering why you guys were talking about timing, etc., just found this page Requests for adminship/Plange, that is funny timing! --plange 03:54, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, regardless of who co-nominates your RfA, I look forward to supporting it. :-) EVula 05:33, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

 kingboyk would like to nominate you to be an administrator. Please visit Requests for adminship to see what this process entails, and then contact kingboyk to accept or decline the nomination. A page has been created for your nomination at Requests for adminship/. If you accept the nomination, you must formally state your acceptance and answer the questions on that page. Once you have answered the questions, you may post your nomination for discussion, or request that your nominator do so.


 * All up to you, now! ;-) Kirill Lokshin 11:44, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes indeed. Let's get this show on the road! --kingboyk 11:59, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm sure you will pass with all around strong support. It will be very helpful for you to have ability to edit protected templates, to be able to follow through with blocks when warning vandals, and help in other ways. --Aude (talk) 17:16, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

It's going great so hopefully by this time tommorow you'll have some extra buttons. Oh and you now have more supports than I got ;) (Not difficult mind, I only just topped 50). --kingboyk 22:19, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Bio WikiProject
Thanks for the welcome.

I am currently expanding the Cheng Yen page and have worked on expanding some Chinese historical stubs, such as Zhu Wen. I will be working on more in the coming weeks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ludahai (talk • contribs)
 * Glad to have you aboard and also glad to have someone working on Chinese historical biographies! --plange 04:54, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Question
Have a question about BLP. I've been editing the Sean Hannity page and I've no interest in getting into editing wars but it seems there are alot of criticisms where someone criticized Hannity for saying "X" but there is no citation to him saying "X." I've read WP:BLP and it seems that you should lean to the side of caution. There are two editors on there who hold opposing views on the subject of the article: Kuzaar-T-C- and Getaway. I've been warned about Getaway by Kuzaar-T-C- :) and I've been having a discussion with Kuzarr on my talk page about sources but am a little confused. I'm really asking what the best view is to take on verifiable sources.  There are quite a few Media Matters criticisms on the Hannity page and I thought they were politically opposed. --PTR 19:59, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm not the strongest one to ask about BLPs but I'll try and answer your questions. If it continues to be a problem, you should bring it up with Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard, but only if you're at an impasse or there's a flagrant violation of BLP. Sources that have an opposing view are fine, as long as they meet WP:RS and WP:V and are balanced with ones that present the other side of the issue (and also meet RS and V). However, no sources is not good, and if they are negative they should be removed. What you can do is remove them to the talk page to give the other editors a chance to find the source. If they can't, or it doesn't meet RS and V, then it can't go in the article. The core of NPOV is to present both sides and let the reader decide on their own. I'd also suggest asking at WP:BLP about Media Matters and whether it meets RS in relation to BLP as I know there's a special case if the source is considered to be promoting an agenda and the article is about a living person. User:Jossi is a good one to go to about BLP issues. And you're right, we should err on the side of caution. And kudos to you for being brave and diving into such a highly controversial article! I did notice some things, one of which was this statement stuck in by an anon that struck me as odd "He was known as a man who loved Jesus and Reagan" Known by whom, and is this important enough to include? --plange 04:03, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. I didn't want to make anything formal but thought it would be nice to have another (more experienced) pair of eyes on it and I noticed you seem to be nice to newbies. I'll check with the user name you left on my talk page. --PTR 16:06, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I just asked on the BLP talk page about the Criticism section specifically in relation to this, but I didn't name articles to avoid possible bias. One person has replied so far... Am keeping an eye on the article and your progress :-) --plange 16:10, 16 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks again. Your help has made a big difference already. --PTR 20:18, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Peer review
Hi Plange. I've always been impressed by your detailled reviews on the GA project. If/when you have time, there are two articles that is under peer review and I would appreciate your input. First one Joseph W. Tkach you might have seen when it was on the Biography review. This one is written by me. The other is Finnish Civil War where I helped out the original authors. Thanks. RelHistBuff 21:57, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I will! Esp. the last one since I used to live in Finland :-) --plange 00:25, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the Welcome
Hi Plange, Thanks for the welcome, glad to be a part of the project. AppleRaven 22:09, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Can You Investigate...
Hi Plange...can you spare just a few minutes to check on the edits this person is making... 69.209.105.235 ...or refer the matter to someone that might have the time?

If you check their history, there seems to be some very radical "chopping" going on instead of listing entries for debate on the Discussion pages.

I would appreciate it very much.

Thanks!!!

trezjr 23:09, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Careful, I'm not an admin :-) (I noticed you said I was in the edit summary), though I am currently up for one (see above). I see they reverted the lead for Michael Oliver (actor) -- You do need to be careful about WP:OR though and make sure any claims are backed up by sources. For an article of this size, 2 paragraphs would be sufficient (see WP:LEAD). Importance of the person has nothing to do with size of lead, I don't think, but article size does. Also, it should not contain anything that isn't repeated later in the article. I looked at some of their other edits, which were more minor and dealt with wrestling (which I have no expertise on) so I can't judge if the edits were valid, but they appear ok. I'll keep an eye on your article to see if he/she comes back. Hopefully you guys will be able to work it out on the Talk page... --plange 00:22, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

Reply...
Sorry about that (the administrator title) I realized it after it was too late.

The reason the lead is now out of shape is because this person cut the article ( a work in progress) in half, without any use of the Discussion page. I opted not for a full reversal of the article and will now obviosuly have to rework the lead (or the article).

Please watch or ask someone to...as regardless of area expertise, if you search his history, you see full paragraphs and more just being chopped out, without any use of the Discussion.

If not a breach of policy, I would think it is at least rude-worthy enough for some type of contact (I'm not too good at that).

Thanks...again!!!

trezjr 00:41, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
 * hmm, didn't know he'd chopped your article -- will look into it! --plange 00:47, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I looked at his/her edits and I actually thought they were fine. Blogs do not meet the criteria of WP:RS and he/she did edit out any lingering WP:OR and WP:PEACOCK terms. I see that the lead was again reverted, but in reading the whole article, it's the correct thing to do now, since the POV stuff in the lead is not supported by anything later in the article (and so to a source). We have to be careful of using WP:PEACOCK terms if they are not attributable to a reliable source, otherwise it's WP:OR. I don't agree with part of his/her edit summary that low importance articles shouldn't have leads, though. I would work on finding a source for the WP:OR stuff in the second paragraph of the original lead and then you'll be on firmer ground.... --plange 04:22, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

How to alert vandalism, esp. on The Lake House (film)
I posted my message to User talk:68.255.30.106, and I don't know how to make any other kinds of warning about vandal. That IP address was responsible for a certain vandal (see the history page of that link from title). I was hoping you are one of my chances to warn that IP address about getting banned or something like that. Reply me. --Gh87 09:38, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Johnston (2)
The review has been up there for something like six weeks, I notice. Think you'll be able to take care of those last couple of things? Marskell 12:55, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Yep, sorry! Was caught up with my RfA Friday and was out all day yesterday-- Hoping to take care of them today.... --plange 14:49, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Portal:Biography
I've noticed you're the only one maintaining the portal (or at least the only one listed there). I'm willing to help, so if you need anything just leave me a message. Nat91 19:33, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Semi-protect Ben Savage
The Ben Savage bio has been assaulted with no less than 7 vandalism incidents in the last 2 days. Is this enough to request semi-protection again; or is this a non-solution?

Thanks!

trezjr 03:26, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
 * You'll need to talk to an admin, as I won't be able to do that. Here's a list of admins that are a member of the bio project: WikiProject_Biography/Members --plange 03:28, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks...again
Thank you.

trezjr 03:30, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the referral
Hi, Plange- I appreciate you letting us know where we should go to talk about the reliability of sources in politically charged articles. I was just wishing, as luck would have it, for some kind of authority to tell us whether or not some of the sources used in the article were kosher to draw assertions from. Anyway, you've been a help. Thank you. --Kuzaar-T-C- 16:31, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Optional questions
Not sure if you noticed the optional questions? --Aude (talk) 17:20, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I have, but am at work so am only able to dive in during mini-breaks-- will answer them tonight :-) --plange 17:26, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Sounds good. The RFA is looking great. --Aude (talk) 17:28, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Just here to ask the same. They've been tough with the q's.


 * WP:WONK has been userfied (where it belongs). It was one of JzG's amusing essays but quite irrelevant to 99.9% of Wikipedians. I advise skipping that question, it's a redlink now anyway. --kingboyk 22:15, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Can you take a look at Peter Dupas?
You brought up some valid concerns in the review and the editors have attempted to answer them in the 17 days since it was placed on hold. I'm a little iffy on its GA status but I want to respect your original review. I know you are bit busy with the RfA (Way to go with the snowballing! :D ) but can you take a look and see if it passes? Thanks! Agne 21:23, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
 * sure thing! I'm still at work but will take a look at it tonight :-) --plange 21:33, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Sorry, ran out of time tonight-- will tackle tomorrow nite --plange 03:24, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for the welcome. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Reddyrov (talk • contribs)

I know you're busy
(too many hats!) but could you look at WPBio's template talk some time? All my technical energy is going into plugin development at the minute (see WikiProject Biography/Automation/Logs). --kingboyk 19:46, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Question on historical senators biographies
I'm currently working on John W. Johnston, a senator from Virginia in the 1800s, and wanted to find out what you thought a good TOC structure should be? I found this that you guys worked on User:PaulHanson/Style_guide but wanted to see what you guys felt was proper for content, etc? Namely, is it encyclopedic to mention any bill introduced by the said senator? Should details be divided up by which session of Congress it occurred in? Greatly appreciate any guidance you can give. --plange 03:06, 16 October 2006 (UTC)


 * You ask a good question. I think the answer depends on the length of the article. I always have an intro paragraph, an "Early life and family," a "Career, and a "Death and legacy." (if dead) In longer articles I like to break up the career into multiple sections like "professional career" and "political career." As the length grows, the later can be further subdivided into various offices held, like "governor" and "senator," but I've never had enough to say to further subdivide it into terms. On some I have broken out committee assignment and significant military service into another section though. It would seem like too many TOC items defeats the purpose of the TOC, but that is very subjective. The content should certainly include bills introduced/supported if noteworthy. Enjoy yourself, there's lots of work to be done in this area. stilltim 20:39, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Plugin picture


--kingboyk 12:38, 18 October 2006 (UTC) Auto-upload feature almost finished.

Did you grab the politicians zip file from my FTP and can I delete it now?

I'm just about to upload an alpha version of plugin 0.9, a major upgrade. --kingboyk 16:14, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
 * got the politicians, thanks! What's the new upgrade going to do? I wasn't sure what I was looking at on the pic, but it looks cool! --plange 16:23, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
 * That's a visual representation of some of the objects inside the plugin code. It's a screenshot of Visual Studio basically. The DLL is bigger than AWB's WikiFunctions DLL now!


 * The new version can upload logs. It's pretty cool - see User:Kingbotk/Logs, WikiProject Biography/Automation/Logs, WikiProject Military history/Automation/Logs. --kingboyk 18:36, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
 * whoah!! that's amazing! so it's basically going to rewrite that page with what people have done? Can a guy get two Davinci barnstars??? --plange 18:56, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I dunno can he? :) lol


 * Yes, it will upload the logs and add an entry to your personal log page. If you've been tagging for WPBio or WPMILHIST it will add entries to the logs at the automation departments too. It doesn't use AWB to upload the logs, it uses and extends a simple wiki editor from wikifunctions.dll: so, that means a seperate login process. I get the username and password from the user and store it encrypted in the registry (it never gets saved to XML). The advantage I've found to this is that I do the uploading under my own username, getting the log files onto my watchlist :) I've done several runs now, so the feature works, but as I say on the download there's a few things to finish up and test. --kingboyk 19:07, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

User:PlangeBot/Logs/191006_Australian_military_stubs_1 entry #22 Talk:Arthur Reginald Evans is a redlink with nothing in the Wikipedia page log. Any idea what happened there? Looks like a valid article, looks like the plugin dealt with it correctly, so maybe an AWB glitch? (BTW, don't forget to tag on behalf of WP Aus too :)). --kingboyk 11:43, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Award
Thanks so much for the reviewer's award, Plange. I'm going to immodestly put it on my User page now. Congrats on the FAC and good work tracking down things to address my concerns. Cheers, Marskell 12:50, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Jackie McLean
I thought I could get your attention if I just was obnoxious enough. Thanks for the prompt reply. I'd still appreciate it if you could answer my question of long ago about what the benefits of biography are supposed to be. If you want to send me an e-mail I can demonstrate (online) that I have a serious interest in this topic. You might well be interested in some of the points I have raised.

And no, I have no idea how many articles there are in your project. One of the things I tell my clients is that new projects should start small. I can't say they always listen, though. John FitzGerald 19:15, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Combatting Cult Mind Control

 * NOTE: to Wikipedia Administrators: I am NOT "recruiting" I am thanking User:Plange for the edit to my newly created article. Thank you.


 * User:Plange, thank you for the edits on the new article I created on Steven Hassan's best-selling book, Combatting Cult Mind Control. Let me know what you think of the article, or feel free to chip in.  Yours, Smeelgova 21:13, 19 October 2006 (UTC).


 * NOTE: to Wikipedia Administrators: I am NOT "spamming". I am not placing this message on any other editor's page.  I am merely thanking User:Plange for the contribution.  Thank you for noticing.  Yours, Smeelgova 21:36, 19 October 2006 (UTC).
 * no problem! I did the same thing you did too, until someone let me know I could combine them :-) Good luck with the article! --plange 22:15, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Al Franken
Hi there, I appreciated your objective and sensible comments on the Hannity talk page, and wanted to pursue the conversation on the Franken controversy section. This article seems, IMHO, to be in worse shape than the Hannity page was, as the majority of the "controversies" mentioned seem to be rather silly (such as "The takedown"), and sometimes just Franken's humor being misconstrued or, at most, taken too far (such as the "Ashcroft apology"). I would like to dive into this thing, but was wondering what your thoughts were, and if you planned on really getting involved. Thanks.--Jackbirdsong 08:29, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I completely agree-- I was in a rush last night so didn't read the whole article but got to the part about the criticism with them thinking he wasn't being satiricial with the Ashcroft thing and I was like, come on! I then skipped to the bottom and saw that there were refs to blogs for some of the criticisms... To tell you the truth, I'm kind of a scaredey-cat and also oddly find it easier to defend WP:BLP policies with conservatives because I'm not one and so I know I can't be accused of bias, whereas I'm afraid of diving in to fix the BLP issues with Franken because I'm afraid I would be biased (I love the guy!). I'm also leaving to go out of town for the weekend so won't be around. I think it's needed, though, and I'll try to screw up my courage. Another ally in WP:BLP is User:Jossi who helped craft the BLP policy and so knows it inside and out and is objective. He's the one I referred the guys who were working on the Hannity article on... --plange 14:52, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Congratulations
Congratulations on your successful RFA! --Aude (talk) 19:14, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Congrats!
Congratulations on your shiny new mop! EVula 19:12, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Congratulations!
You're now an admin. Use the new tools conservatively and see if you can instead figure out a way to de-escalate the situation whenever possible. But there are plenty of backlogs to work on, so as you get familiar with the tools, dig in and help clear them out. Have fun and again, congrats. - Taxman Talk 19:13, 20 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Congratulations! (Not that I had any doubts your RFA would pass, of course! ;-)
 * Here's some champagne to celebrate the occasion. Kirill Lokshin 20:22, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Congrats from me too! Excellent news. --kingboyk 21:20, 20 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Use your new shiny mop well! (=for the MILHIST project of course :P) -- Grafikm  (AutoGRAF)  19:32, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes. I hope you don't get too distracted by adminship duties. My advice is have a play with the new toys but come back to where you're needed most - working with the WikiProjects and writing good articles! You'll find plenty of uses for the new tools without changing your on-wiki regime too much. --kingboyk 16:00, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Congratulations, Plange! Have fun with the new toolset. If you have any admin-related questions, feel free to contact me. =) Nish kid  64  21:57, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Congratulations on a well-deserved promotion! Errabee 01:32, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Indeed. ++Lar: t/c 16:04, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Congratulations on an impressive RfA! Take care -- Samir धर्म  23:12, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Word. You rock!UberCryxic 23:22, 22 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Congratulations, you deserve the mop. T REX speak 00:35, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Impressive display of restraint too - she hasn't even deleted anything yet! I had a backlog of my own mess to clear up when I passed RFA! :) --kingboyk 10:56, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
 * LOL! my restraint (and delay in thanking everyone) is because I'm in Mobile, Al visiting my grandmother :-) Though I can't think of anything of mine that needed to be deleted, I did want to dive in a little more than I've been able to... It was weird timing as I was on the road when I was promoted and wasn't able to check until the next day :-( so I missed out on the feeling of immediacy in it all.... --plange 15:52, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

My pleasure, and congratulations! Jayjg (talk) 15:41, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I'll be sure to wave at the interstate in the relatively unlikely event that you drive through Nashville on your way home. ;-) EVula 17:54, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Congratulations, Plange! -- Nat91 17:44, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Add mine to the long deserved list of thanks and congrats (and new responsibilities...) Best! BusterD 21:12, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Congratulations on your promotion, and you're very welcome! --Merovingian ※ Talk 04:29, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Techno wizard...
Hi Plange...

...not sure who the techno wizards are, but there seems to be a code problem on Jack Palance.

1. REDIRECT Template:Infobox Actor

This line is appearing at the top of the page.

There's nothing showing on the edit page and reverts don't do a thing.

Thanks and congrats!

trezjr 11:17, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Fixed. It was a double redirect in the infobox template. --kingboyk 11:32, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks everyone!
For all of the congrats!! I'm actually at my grandmother's this weekend so will be checking in only occassionally :-( Thanks everyone for your support! --plange 15:53, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
 * May I install some excellent scripts in your monobook.js? Makes admin life less tedious... Let me know. ≈ jossi ≈ t &bull; @ 01:24, 25 October 2006 (UTC)


 * You may have missed this. Let me know if you want to try these. If you don't like them (which I doubt you would) they are easy to remove. ≈ jossi ≈ t &bull; @ 22:17, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I did miss the first post, thanks! That would be great! --plange 22:37, 25 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Added scripts to User:Plange/monobook.js. To see the changes. Mozilla/Safari: hold down Shift while clicking Reload (or press Ctrl-Shift-R), IE: press Ctrl-F5, Opera/Konqueror: press F5. If you see no changes, quit your browser and then reload. There are many tools, and many are context sensitive, so you will see different tabs and buttons when editing pages, editing user talk pages, closing AfDs, etc. Enjoy exploring these! ≈ jossi ≈ t &bull; @ 23:28, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

You helped choose Mark Twain as this week's WP:AID winner
→ A z a  Toth 00:29, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

GA Nomination on hold
You placed the Good Article candidate Peter Dupas on hold almost a month ago. Good Article candidates may be placed on hold for maximum of seven days. Please review any outstanding concerns and pass or fail the article as you see fit. Thanks! /Blaxthos 06:20, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Courtesy notification
Your name was mentioned here: I didn't read your responses the same way this editor did, but perhaps I was mistaken. Sandy (Talk) 13:10, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Congratulations
I saw your successful RfA. I'm sorry I did not notice your candidacy to cast my vote! In any case congratulations and a barnstar for you tireless devotion to Wikipedia. And donot forget the peer-review section!!! For the next days I won't be able to be very active there.

By the way, congratulatios for your second FA.--Yannismarou 18:14, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks Yannismarou!!! I'll definitely stop by the PR area-- thanks again for all the hard work you do there! --plange 21:10, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Congratulations on the RfA! Let me know if you ahve any questions about the admin tools or procedures. See ya around :) Kaldari 18:57, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks, will do! Am taking baby steps and it's good to know some admins to turn to before I start taking larger ones :-) --plange 21:10, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Congrats!

 * I'm not concerned as to if you'll be a good admin or not as 60 other people agree.I recommend though that you may want to help with the backlogs here and there.Again, Congratulations SOADLuver 06:33, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

WP:AIV
I don't mean to come off as angry here, but if they haven't edited scince test4, remove them. Leaving them there and commenting just causes major backlog. Thanks. =) -- Koji Dude  (Contributions) 01:01, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
 * ok, thanks-- I'm a new admin, so was just trying to help out. Thought someone had said on Talk page to leave a comment on these kind so that admins could check back and see if they did it later... --plange 01:03, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
 * You should just place the comment in your edit summary when you remove them; that way you won't overfill the list and your comment is embedded permanently in the page history.-- Koji Dude  (Contributions) 01:07, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
 * ok, thanks for the tip! --plange 01:08, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
 * To be fair to Plange that was indeed the advice given; I however would remove anything more than half an hour old and just leave a descriptive edit summary. If it's only 5 mins since the last test4 and you have a hunch they'll be back it's OK to leave it. Generally though the object is to get the page cleared. --kingboyk 09:30, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Bio project
Hello Plange. I have created WikiProject_Biography/Peer_review/Prem_Rawat. Would appreciate your comments on how to improve that article. Thanks in advance. ≈ jossi ≈ t &bull; @ 01:18, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

(Belated congrats on your adminship... I may have missed your nomination!) ≈ jossi ≈ t &bull; @ 01:20, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
 * LOL! I had clicked on that to start assessing and saw I had a message and it was this one-- good timing! --plange 01:44, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the fixes and the rating. Look forward to the review. ≈ jossi ≈ t &bull; @ 03:03, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Very useful information. ≈ jossi ≈ t &bull; @ 19:03, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Finns
Yes, I'm Finnish and living at a 30 km distance from Kerava. In fact, my daughter is engaged with a very nice fellow from Kerava. So nice, that you have been in Finland :). Yes, the Civil War of 1918 has been a trauma for the nation for more than 80 years and we do not talk much about it, especially with foreigners. Since 1990's the war has become more like "plain history"  with less emotions involved than before. Thus now we can present a more realistic and balanced view of the turmoil. I'm not a professional historian, but history is my beloved hobby. My own "tribe" and family was strongly involved with the war of 1918. As I had to find out what really happened at that time, I decided to try to share what I learned from the true historians, with other people. --Ilummeen 17:17, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I loved Finland! Unfortunately it's so expensive to fly there that I haven't been back, but I aim to some day. That's cool about your future son-in-law being from Kerava-- Don't know if he knows my host families? I stayed with Ilkka Puukka and his family and then with Kari and Marjaleena Harno, and then with another family whose last name I've forgotten (yikes!) -- well it has been over 20 years! The mother was a dentist and they were related to a circus family. I was there from August 1984 to June of 1985. The experience was invaluable and one I'll never forget. I've almost completely lost my Finnish though :-( I was speaking it tolerably well enough to carry on a conversation, etc... I've always thought that Finland would be where I'd emigrate to if things got too bad here politically.
 * re: the Civil War -- I can imagine that would be very traumatic - civil wars are awful by their very nature. The only experience I have is so remote it's not even comparable-- my family is Southern and fought on the losing side of the American Civil War, but that's gone, as you say, into plain history, though even today (140 some odd years later) tempers can flare about it... Good job on the article and I hope to see it reach FA soon! Go Finland!! --plange 17:35, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

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repost
HI. Simply recreate the page using deletedpage, and then use the protect button to lock it. Eg, see Sarah Hanson-Young. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 04:21, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Franken and more
Hey, congrats on the whole admin thing. Last we left off we were discussing how the Franken page needed a bit of work, so maybe you'll be glad to know that I managed to move info out of the unnecessary 'controversy' section and into the main article, and deleted all of the blog-ref'd statements, and all multilaterally and without any problems/conflicts. However, I'd still like for you to look at it and see if there are any further suggestions you may have for improvement there, if you have time. I also have another, unrelated question for you: should a non-constructive POV rant such as this be removed from an article's talk page by anybody other than the author, even if he has since been blocked? Thanks.--Jackbirdsong 03:36, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
 * It's borderline-- It's just a rant, it'll eventually go into archives. However, if it violated WP:BLP, then you would definitely need to remove it. I added the header to make sure people stay on topic. I haven't had much experience yet on when things like this should be removed, so a more experienced admin might be better to consult with on it, because I could very well be wrong and it should be removed?... re: Franken-- Cool, will take a look this weekend! --plange 03:49, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Question
Hello, Plange. I'm back from my 1-week Wikibreak, and am now feeling much less stressed than before. I am pleased to see that you have been made an Administrator; Congratulations on this achievement and the community trust that it entails.

As much as it pains me to go bugging people as soon as I return from my break, when I was patrolling new users' contributions, I inadvertently stumbled into a problem editor making edits with sockpuppets regarding Soybean nutrition and proteins. On talking to the editor the (apparent) sockpuppeter was in conflict with, it seems he has opened a sockpuppet case and tried to attract the attention of an administrator to no avail. As a favor for him I figured I would contact you and let you know, since you have been a professional and helpful figure in the admittedly brief time in which I've talked to you. For reference, the two users are User:Yankees76 and User:Messenger2010. The open sockpuppet page is at Suspected sock puppets/Messenger2010. I'm going to myself comment on the page, since this seems to be a pretty clear-cut case of sockpuppetry and evasion of the 3RR, but if you could speak up or give Yankees76 an opinion, I'd appreciate it a bunch. Thank you. --Kuzaar-T-C- 15:57, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
 * oh boy-- I've had no experience with sock puppet investigations and don't know anyone to refer you to. Let me see if I can find someone I know that can help --plange 23:31, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Best to place these incidents at the WP:ANI. ≈ jossi ≈ t &bull; @ 23:39, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
 * It appears an admin (Mike Rosoft) noticed the case and took care of it. Dunno if you had something to do with it, but looks like it's sorted now. Thank you. :) --Kuzaar-T-C- 17:02, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Could you look at Al Gore III
One user is pushing POV pretty strongly and continues to ignore WP:BLP guides about birthdays and minor offenses on non-public figs. Consensus has been established and one user (a political POV pusher from his contribs) keeps making this less than productive. BusterD 17:38, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Vandalism to Biography Portal
The Borges article of the portal has clearly been vandalized. I unfortunately can't figure out how to correct it. Hope you can. Badbilltucker 17:57, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Template:ComicsCollab article
Just picked up on the fact that you created this for us. Many thanks, but we already have a similar template, Collab-comics which does the same thing. Still, not to worry, I'll work through the links and see which one of them is easiest to kill. :) Steve block Talk 22:53, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Okay, I merged our one with yours to preserve the history and keep your name, since I knew where our one was transcluded from so it was easier to alter to yours. Steve block Talk 23:11, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Cool, sorry about that! I tried to look to see if one existed, but I must have missed it :-) --plange 23:23, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Bot
Why do the PlangeBot edits still show when I try to hide bot edits on my watchlist? john k 01:03, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Not sure-- I think it's still awaiting a bot flag? I left a message with someone about this but haven't heard back... --plange 01:17, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Re: Your Bot
This is little odd, it usually won't take this long. I left a note on WT:BRFA to see what's going on. --WinHunter (talk) 01:28, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Mitt Romney Biography review
I understand completely that you would not desire to participate in WikiProject_Biography/Peer_review/Mitt_Romney. I am surprised how hostile the comments of the other editor were. I greatly appreciate the thoughtful response of Yannismarou, which I expressed directly last night before the hostile comments came today. I will definitely take with me a greater understanding of what is desirable, for an article such as this, and I appreciate that Yannismarou and you are participating in a review project like this. Thank you! (And I may consider some level of reviewing in the future, as practice for my own editing.) Yellowdesk 01:55, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
 * No problem! I had to come to the defense of Yannismarou because he's such a dedicated reviewer and had done an even more detailed review than normal because of your detailed request, so I didn't want him to feel discouraged/slighted/hurt! :-) Definitely submit any other articles of your own in the future, I look forward to helping out! Sorry this one got spoiled for you :-( --plange 02:02, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Sanford Ransdell
Hello, I noticed that you added some tags on the Sandford Ransdell Talk page. Someone feels that the article should be deleted. I thought you might be interested in evaluating it and see if you concur. I began the article and may be slightly biased in my feelings that Sanford Ransdell is of some historical significance. Anyway, your imput one way or the other would be greatly appreciated. Dwain 18:36, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

bio noticeboard
Dear plange,

yes--there is something you are missing, but I am hoping that it can just be kept off wikipedia as much as possible. please read, including link to discussion at samuel blanning. right now, the "anon" seems to have been effectively discouraged by the block from william m connelly, and hopefully admin intervention has solved the whole problem. unless the anon resumes disruption, let's let this die, ok?

thanks, Cindery 21:10, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Sanford Ransdell
I have nominated this article for deletion via AFD. --Brianyoumans 23:14, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Background colors a la bio infoboxes
Plange...I'm afraid my ignorance is showing here, but I've been told there is significance as to what background color is used in the bio infoboxes. I can't seem to locate this "color code" anywhere.

trezjr 02:12, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

anyone?
trezjr 12:01, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
 * The place to ask that would be Template talk:Infobox actor :-) --plange 16:26, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

separate comments, please
Hi plange. I was aware of the special relativity debate with Stevecrum and have been monitoring it every so often. I've come across people like Stevecrum before, and have spent so much time arguing with the unarguable, that I end up spending most of my WP time not writing articles. Therefore, I have given up trying to constantly defend a mainstream point to 'non-mainstremers'. I think that enough has been said in the special relativity debate with Stevecrum that I feel I cannot add anything more useful. Thanks for letting me know anyway. MP  (talk) 12:29, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Firefly spin-off
May I ask why Into the Black is not an official spin-off? What does constitute an official spin-off? -- Ubergenius 17:32, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Official means that it's either produced or endorsed by the copyright holders of the franchise. --plange 17:36, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
 * If it does not constitute an official spin-off, but IS based on the Firefly universe, how should it be mentioned in the article, if at all? -- Ubergenius 17:38, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't know that it can. You might have better luck incorporating it into the Browncoat article perhaps, but others might not agree. --plange 17:42, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

PlangeBot's flag
Hi. After a little delay (sorry about that), and per Tawker's final approval, I've granted your bot a flag. Cheers, Redux 17:46, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks Redux! --plange 17:49, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Peer review bottification
Hi - I'm just waiting for approval at WP:BRFA now :) M a rtinp23 23:33, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Admin help
Hi Plange. I didn't think I would be asking for your help so soon, but an anonymous editor has removed text (citations) from the article Joseph W. Tkach. I have reverted several times with edit summaries, I left a message on his talk page, and we are even discussing on the article's talk page. But he insists on removing the citations (more than 3RR). I am at my limit of 3RR. Could you help out in bringing back the original and arbitrating? Thanks. RelHistBuff 14:10, 31 October 2006 (UTC)


 * In the meantime, if you can come in on the discussion on the talk page, I am disengaging for a couple of days as recommended by WP:DR even though I am currently shepherding this article through Peer Review. RelHistBuff 14:24, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Nice to meet a fellow GITS:SAC fan
Hi there, nice to meet you. I enjoy the show a lot, though I did prefer the first season over the second one. I've never seen the movies. How do you like the show? -- Kyok o  17:15, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I guess I liked the first season better because I found it a little easier to figure out than the second season. I love the artwork and the music in the show. -- Kyok o  23:38, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Obama missing as FA on project page
You seem to be one to know, and implement...shouldn't Barak Obama's article be listed as a Featured Article on the WikiProject_Biography/Politics_and_government page? Yellowdesk 19:39, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Definitely! It's hard for me to keep up with all of them project-wide, so if you know of any recent promotions, be bold and add them, that would be great! Thanks! --plange 20:00, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Hannity
There is some dicussion on the Hannity talk page about using an editorial for a statement. Could you come by and give your opinion. It's in the last section on the discussion page. Thanks. --PTR 20:10, 31 October 2006 (UTC)