User talk:Pluggedcharged

November 2020
Welcome to Wikipedia. Although everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia, your addition of one or more external links to the page Ellen Rothenberg has been reverted. Your edit here to Ellen Rothenberg was reverted by an automated bot that attempts to remove links which are discouraged per our external links guideline. The external link(s) you added or changed (https://futureforcegeospeculators.wordpress.com/) is/are on my list of links to remove and probably shouldn't be included in Wikipedia. If you were trying to insert an external link that does comply with our policies and guidelines, then please accept my creator's apologies and feel free to undo the bot's revert. However, if the link does not comply with our policies and guidelines, but your edit included other, constructive, changes to the article, feel free to make those changes again without re-adding the link. Please read Wikipedia's external links guideline for more information, and consult my list of frequently-reverted sites. For more information about me, see my FAQ page. Thanks! --XLinkBot (talk) 20:19, 22 November 2020 (UTC)

December
I'm very new to this and am trying to get into editing pages. I've run into a problem editing Ellen Rothenberg's career section. Specifically adding and reorganizing her installations, public projects, and performances. All of which follows her CV on her website. All of my revisions were redacted by a bot, I assume due to an improper external link. My question is if I re-insert all that I did but took out the links, would that change be permanent or will my work get taken down again. Pluggedcharged (talk) 23:06, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
 * It would likely get removed again. We're not after an exhaustive list of a subject's accomplishments, just the most notable/significant ones. —A little blue Bori  v^_^v  Takes a strong man to deny... 23:18, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I agree with the above; we don't need to list every installation, project, or performance by the subject; ideally, only those that are the most important (which will generally have multiple reliable sources to indicate that). If you want more help, change the help me-helped back into a help me, stop by the Teahouse, or Wikipedia's live help channel, or the help desk to ask someone for assistance. Primefac (talk) 03:03, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
 * You might find User:Nick Moyes/Easier Referencing for Beginners helpful. When you add content to an article (especially a biography), you need to cite reliable sources. Schazjmd   (talk)  22:19, 5 December 2020 (UTC)


 * hello, I wanted to reach out to let you know I undid your recent edit which added a substantial quantity of unsourced material, and that removed text and citations in reliable sources. Just curious, do you have a connection to the artist Ellen Rothenberg? Only asking because of the addition of so much uncited material. Thank you. Netherzone (talk) 22:22, 5 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Hi, I just left a message on your board and just saw this one. Yes, I have a connection with the artist but I want to do this accurate and am very new to all of this. Would these sources (Installations, Public Projects, Performances) suffice as reliable sources to update projects into their accurate categories? Pluggedcharged (talk) 22:31, 5 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Hello, I don't see a message from you on my talk page. This is probably a better place to communicate about this article anyways. I don't see any citations or links in your message above, perhaps you could try linking them again. Could you please elaborate on your connection to/with Ellen Rothenberg please? Thank you. Netherzone (talk) 22:59, 5 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Sorry about that. Installations, Public Projects, Performances. I'm Ellen Rothenberg's studio assistant, I'm updating her Wiki since we recently overhauled her website, adding new projects as of this year as well as reorganized project categories. Pluggedcharged (talk) 23:06, 5 December 2020 (UTC)
 * since you have a clear employment connection to the subject, this is paid editing. You also have a conflict of interest. All this means that you need to stop editing until you have made the proper disclosures, and after that you should not edit the Rothenberg page directly, but rather request change via the talk page. COI and undisclosed paid editing are quite serious on Wikipedia, and not complying with the WP:PAID rules usually leads to a quick block of your account. I'll leave the information below so that you can avoid that situation! Possibly (talk) 23:39, 5 December 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Thanks for your quick reply, - there are a couple of things to be aware of here. First, you are a connected contributor (as her studio assistant) and have what is called a conflict of interest. Please read the information on this link: WP:COI. As such, you will have to disclose your coi on your user page, and use the edit request feature see this section: WP:DCOI, and if you are paid by the artist, please see this section: WP:COIPAYDISCLOSE. For information on the way the Edit Request feature works see this link: WP:ER. The experienced editor provides good information above and below.

Secondly, the links you mention above are primary sources, so no, they are not appropriate here. Wikipedia considers secondary sources as reliable sources (if they are published in a credible news source), since we present non-promotional, neutral information. See these two guidelines: WP:RS and WP:NPOV. So the links you are suggesting go directly to Ellen Rothenberg's website which is a primary source, not a secondary nor tertiary source. As a COI/UPE editor, you can propose edits you would like to make on the article talk page, and a neutral, non-connected editor will decide if they can be added to the article. It's not a big deal, but just the way things work here. Please consider that Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a website like an artists website. And please do not hesitate to ask if you have further questions! Best regards, Netherzone (talk) 23:41, 5 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the help. When requesting edits to Ellen Rothenberg's page, I should provide sources with my request so that those who take on my request can are able to say what is and isn't credible? Pluggedcharged (talk) 16:16, 6 December 2020 (UTC)
 * , yes, you need to use the request edit feature, and provide as much information as possible. It is courteous to provide links and the exact wording requested, as you are asking volunteer editors to spend the time to do this work for you and your employer. It can take some time for an editor to respond, and there is a back-log. Please understand that Wikipedia is an encyclopedia and not an extension of an artist's website, nor a vehicle for promotion. Netherzone (talk) 17:56, 6 December 2020 (UTC)

December 2020
Hello Pluggedcharged. The nature of your edits gives the impression you have an undisclosed financial stake in promoting a topic, but you have not complied with Wikipedia's mandatory paid editing disclosure requirements. Paid advocacy is a category of conflict of interest (COI) editing that involves being compensated by a person, group, company or organization to use Wikipedia to promote their interests. Undisclosed paid advocacy is prohibited by our policies on neutral point of view and what Wikipedia is not, and is an especially serious type of COI; the Wikimedia Foundation regards it as a "black hat" practice akin to black-hat search-engine optimization.

Paid advocates are very strongly discouraged from direct article editing, and should instead propose changes on the talk page of the article in question if an article exists. If the article does not exist, paid advocates are extremely strongly discouraged from attempting to write an article at all. At best, any proposed article creation should be submitted through the articles for creation process, rather than directly.

Regardless, if you are receiving or expect to receive compensation for your edits, broadly construed, you are  required by the Wikimedia Terms of Use to disclose your employer, client and affiliation. You can post such a mandatory disclosure to your user page at User:Pluggedcharged. The template Paid can be used for this purpose – e.g. in the form:. If I am mistaken – you are not being directly or indirectly compensated for your edits – please state that in response to this message. Otherwise, please provide the required disclosure. In either case, do not edit further until you answer this message. Possibly (talk) 23:40, 5 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Hi, thank you for all this info. I updated my user page with the example you provided. Yes, I will be compensated for these edits but no longer anymore. I can still request others to make edits for me even though I'm being compensated? Pluggedcharged (talk) 16:10, 6 December 2020 (UTC)