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Arthrops make up 80% of all known species
Hi Plumbago. Maybe we would could state that arthropos make up 80% of all known animal species, as I believe this to be a less misleading number. I belive that this quote may originate from biologists who are working on animals and is meant for an audience in the same field This source (http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/journal/119036844/abstract?CRETRY=1&SRETRY=0) estimates between 5-10 million species of arthropods, but I think the number of known species is around the one million mark. The total number of all species on the earth is likely to be well over 100 million. Let me know what you think. Regards 122.148.123.76 (talk) 12:52, 8 January 2010 (UTC)


 * I think "known species" is a good way to describe things – it's also the most accurate. Since most extant species are as yet undescribed, it would be technically incorrect to describe the situation otherwise.  Thanks for pointing this out.  Are you OK to make the relevant changes to the article?  Cheers, --P LUMBAGO  14:41, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

OA article
Hey Plumbago, just a heads up that an editor has been making very strange edits to the OA article, adding a lot of material on acid rain (specifically sulfur dioxide) being the major contributor to changes in ocean carbon chemistry. This seems like total nonsense to me, and I reverted his edits. You are more of an expert on this subject though, so a. I wanted to give you a heads up; and b. on the off chance that there is any merit in some of his claims (I suspect that the role of SO2 would be marginal at best), you are better qualified than I to address them. Cheers, Arjuna (talk) 21:50, 31 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Hi Arjuna. Thanks for the heads-up, and for tidying up the article.  You're right to do so - OA is primarily a CO2-related phenomena.  I'd expect SO2 to have some minor role, but I can't think of any paper that evaluates this relative to CO2.  Anyway, I've dropped the editor a message on their talkpage, and that'll hopefully clear things up (or inflame them - it's difficult to judge which!).  Cheers, --P LUMBAGO  09:11, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

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 * Thanks for giving me the chance to reply to it, but it looks like this has been declined already. However, hopefully the input from editors there has helped clarify things for you.  --P LUMBAGO  08:53, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

LACK OF NEUTRALITY
there are parts of this Evolution article that state opinions as facts, that are really actually things in dispute. The wording is biased and not neutral in certain areas. But stated dogmatically. It seems that there is much bias going on here. And slanting. The phrase in one part of the article was simply an opinion but was stated as fact. No real objectivity. "However, these ideas contradict Darwin's own views," is really a matter of interpretation and it's actually just an OPINION. And it shows bias and lack of fair objectivity. Many believe that the views of Social Darwinism DON'T "contradict" many of Darwin's own views.

So I made the statement MORE OBJECTIVE....saying that "however, the consensus among most evolutionists today is that these ideas contradict Darwin's own views".

Or "the majority of scientists and philosophers". Where is the "Creationism" smuggled in with that? What was stated is simply a neutral fact. The MAJORITY is true. But there ARE some scientists and philosophers who view Social Darwinism as simply a logical outgrowth of Darwinism in general. Ever read "The Descent of Man" where Darwin spoke of "Savage Races being eliminated by ADVANCED RACES"? Darwin's own words. And Darwin's view that "Caucasians were advanced over Asians and Africans." I'm sorry that those things irk you, but they happen to EXIST.

But I do NOT want blatant Creationism smuggled in anywhere. And to say that that's what I did is NONSENSE. I simply added "majority" cuz that's what it is, and makes it more neutral and honest. Phrasing it THAT way is no longer an opinion, but an objective fact. But saying dogmatically and assertively "these ideas contradict Darwin's views" and giving the impression that EVERY SINGLE SCIENTIST believes that is MORE OF AN OPINION THAN AN ACTUAL NEUTRAL STATEMENT OF FACT. There was NO good reason to arrogantly "revert" that. What did I put in that was technically not true? You're gonna say that ALL "scientists and philosophers" feel this way? Every single one, everywhere? Ever? If you think that, you're simply objectively provably mistaken. So you simply REVERTED A FACTUAL STATEMENT. It's the "majority". Get over it. So?

the fact that you and other editors throw a fit when a more rounded-out honest thing is inserted somewhere speaks volumes. It speaks volumes about just how bad this Evolution article actually is in its biased tone, and the suppressive neurotic editors wanting to squash anything that smells of honest objectivity. Sweetpoet (talk) 12:21, 22 February 2010 (UTC)


 * I removed your addition of "majority of" because it gives WP:UNDUE weight to that tiny minority of scientists who dispute evolution. I'd add that not only is this a vanishingly small minority (who are addressed elsewhere in this article, and extensively in other articles), they do not publish their dissenting "ideas" in conventional scientific journals.  So, for proper coverage of this scientific and technical topic I judge your edit to violate WP:UNDUE.  You may wish to consult the talkpage archives, as this issue has come up before.  Repeatedly.


 * In passing, I did not "throw a fit". That would probably involve me posting a long and randomly capitalised comment on your talkpage.  Cheers, --P LUMBAGO  12:33, 22 February 2010 (UTC)


 * it says clearly in WP:UNDUE "articles should not give minority views as much or as detailed a description as more widely held views;" it says "not as much"...but what's actually going on here (lol) is "NOT AT ALL".      And it's very snide and convenient of you to dismiss the "tiny minority".    (And they're NOT "vanishing", by the way......the list grows all the time.....so we're not talking about what you biasedly WANT to be true, or those you consider "not reputable" simply cuz they doubt Darwinism with its inconsistencies, holes, and problems. (double face-palm).     By the way, the thing said also "philosophers".     Trust me.....there are MANY MORE "philosophers" that know about Social Darwinism.      The point is that the line in the article gives the impression that it's every single "scientist" or "philosopher" that (conveniently) thinks that Darwin's "views" have no bearing on what Stalin or Hitler did, with Eugenics, and "Social Darwinism."     But I did not even put any of that in there.   I hardly put anything there.    And what I put in IS TECHNICALLY NOT INACCURATE.    I mean, GOODNESS....you're acting as if I threw in something so blatant and horrendous in there.    I WOULD BE AGAINST THAT TOO.


 * If I saw some Creationist or Young Earther inserting garbage on this article, I would be the first to remove it.     It's called neutrality.      and not suppressing in toto the "minority" view.     But this is not even a "minority view".    It's just a SIMPLE FACT that it's the "majority" of scientists (meaning the "general consensus") that think and maintain that Darwin's views do not and should not lead to malicious "Social Darwinism" or harmful practices.    I was NOT trying to inject blatant (sighs) "Creationism" into an EVOLUTION ENCYCLOPEDIC ARTICLE.       I'm NOT like that.      peace out.....Sweetpoet (talk) 12:44, 22 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Hmmm. Looks like I owe you an apology.  Sorry - I mistook the direction of your edits.  I clearly had my "creationist blinkers" on.  However, I still don't see that we need to qualify as you suggest, but I can be persuaded otherwise.  What sort of sources did you have in mind?  Do any modern writers actually say (in a reliable source) that evolution justifies "social inequality, sexism, racism, and imperialism"?  If it's only one or two people, I still think WP:UNDUE applies — one can always find someone out there with some anachronistic view or other.  In passing, the portion that you mention above about Darwin's views comes before your insertion and makes a separate point.  Anyway, apologies for my earlier misunderstanding.  --P LUMBAGO  13:12, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

Your input on upcoming ANI posting regarding Talk:Genesis creation myth would be appriciated
I've been working on this ANI posting to try and put an end to the round and round discussion of "Creation Myth" and it's usage. I plan on posting it later today. If you have anything to add or any comments please feel free to add them at the above link. Nefariousski (talk) 19:53, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Regarding your table, I tried the same thing on JSTOR. There were 2152 hits for "creation myth" verses 1592 hits for "creation story". Combined with a small survey of works that are in the same class as Wikipedia (reference works I guess) to see how they refer to the creation myth in Genesis, well, I have yet to find one that uses the term story as the primary identifier so I'm yet to be convinced that story belongs in the article title instead of myth. For instance, I trawled Oxford's reference works and Encyclopedia Britannica and posted the results on the article's talk page. Ben (talk) 11:42, 26 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Nice one. I didn't think of JSTOR (what kind of researcher am I?!?).  I think the numbers your trawl comes up with, being larger, are likely to be much more representative than those I found.  That said, I think having a range of such objective assessments of the academic literature is the best (only?) way to allay the concerns of editors who don't like "myth".  I wonder if such a compilation of information could be prepared as a resource for the next time this myth/story/narrative/account/etc. issue raises its head?  Cheers, --P LUMBAGO  12:10, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Hmm, the only place I can think of putting such a resource would be in FAQ's. Not that there is anything wrong with that, it just means that space will be a little limited for something that has the potential to get huge. Although, there is the whole Talk:0.999... "arguments page" precedent. I would just hate to have to monitor it. Cheers, Ben (talk) 12:34, 26 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Fair point. In which case, I'm all out of ideas!  :-)  Pointing people to policy and archived discussions, and repeatedly arguing with them doesn't seem to cut much ice however.  Never-ending war seems a likely outcome.  Great.  --P LUMBAGO  13:41, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Richard Lindzen
Thank you for your contributions to the encyclopedia! In case you are not already aware, an article to which you have recently contributed is on article probation. -- TS 17:33, 2 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Oh, OK. Not really sure what this means for me, but I'll probably just steer clear of Richard Lindzen for the time being.  Cheers, --P LUMBAGO  17:58, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
 * No, don't worry about it. The notification is a requirement of the probation, and if you don't do anything crazy there's nothing to worry about. --TS 18:39, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

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Garrett Hardin
Thanks for adding the source. --JanDeFietser (talk) 16:53, 24 May 2010 (UTC)


 * No problem. Cheers, --P LUMBAGO  17:01, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

Acidification
I just noticed the article on Ocean acidification and was curious about something. Would it be true to say that what applies to the acidification of saltwater would also be true for freshwater. There is currently no article on Freshwater acidification. Enter CBW, waits for audience applause, not a sausage. 08:38, 31 May 2010 (UTC)


 * An excellent point. Off the top of my head, I'd expect things to be quite different because of the ambient pH of freshwater bodies, though I'd struggle to say how much different and in what ways.  A quick check of ISI WoK turns up a few papers on the subject ...


 * Weber, Anna K.; Pirow, Ralph (2009). Physiological responses of Daphnia pulex to acid stress.  BMC Physiol. 9, doi:10.1186/1472-6793-9-9.
 * Petrin, Z.; Englund, G.; Malmqvist, B. (2008). Contrasting effects of anthropogenic and natural acidity in streams: a meta-analysis.  Proc. Roy. Soc. B 275, 1143-1148.


 * However, most of the freshwater literature on acidification deals with the issue of acidification via anthropogenic sulphate aerosols rather than by anthropogenic CO2. Nonetheless, there are probably others concerning CO2 that I missed.  I can have a look when I've time next, but if you can spare a few minutes, a Google trawl might be worth the effort.  Anyway, thanks for pointing this out.  Cheers, --P LUMBAGO  09:18, 31 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks. I don't really know much about ocean acidification nor where to start on freshwater. I suppose I was more curious than anything else. It came about because Arctic char are vulnerable to Acidification, which was a redirect to Ocean acidification, but they are also lake dwelling fish. Acidification is now a redirect because there is also Soil acidification. Enter CBW, waits for audience applause, not a sausage. 11:05, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

Monkeys in space
Thank you for editing the Monkeys in Space page. I am new here and have not gotten used to checking on my edits and reverting maliciously edited pages back. I was wondering if you could tell me a little about the (+##) or (-##) I get next to my edits. For example, this edit has a (-285) number on my page. Is this reflective of anything I need to be doing? I have looked for a talk page for this but cannot find it. Can you point me to a right direction?

Nzohoury (talk) 23:04, 16 June 2010 (UTC)


 * If I've understood you correctly, the numbers that you're referring to are the number of characters added, "(+X)", or removed, "(-X)", by an edit. It's a rough and ready guide to the nature of a change made by an editor.  Of course, if you move words around to change grammar or fix spelling errors X can take on a value of 0.  It doesn't mean zero change, just that the net effect of an edit has not changed the total number of characters in an article.  Since vandals both add and remove material, it's not as straightforward as using this number to spot them.  From my own experience, vandals are typically (but not exclusively) IP users (i.e. not logged in users) and typically do not leave an edit summary.  Anyway, I hope that this information help.  Cheers, --P LUMBAGO  09:09, 17 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Thank you for your response. You have answered my questions perfectly. --Nzohoury (talk) 19:46, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

How can I get in touch with you?
Hello! I'm trying hard to make nice matlab maps of the world ocean atlas data, and I'm really stuck. Yours are magnificent, so I was hoping for some communication with you. Sincerely Norwegian biologist Lars Polkaprikk (talk) 12:49, 18 June 2010 (UTC)


 * To the left of the main article space there's an area labelled as the "toolbox". Inside this there's an option to "e-mail this user".  If you use this, you'll be able to reach me directly.  Drop me a line!  Cheers, --P LUMBAGO  13:29, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

Luboš Motl
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Genesis creation narrative
Hi plumbago. I read his talk page comments before removing. He mentions the title, and there is already a tag up for the title. In fact that tag covers the title and/or the entry content already as well. I wonder if Cush actually read the current tag before dramatically adding another one to the entry. Cheers.Griswaldo (talk) 11:55, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

Featured picture candidates/The Face on Mars

 * For your crop. Makeemlighter (talk) 23:35, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

Hugh Ross
You reverted an edit I made concerning critics of Hugh Ross. I made that edit after pointing out on the discussion page that the support reference for Eugenie Scott did not mention Hugh Ross at all. Therefore, it should not be considered evidence of her being critical of Ross.


 * Sorry, I hadn't spotted anything on the talk page. It's always a good idea to use an edit summary, especially when you're removing sources.  If you don't, as in this case, overzealous editors, such as me, are liable to suspect vandalism.  Anyway, apologies again.  --P LUMBAGO  21:13, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Over categorization
Diatom is a subcategory of Algae. If you click on the category link for the category diatom, you will see that it is in the Categories: Heterokonts and Algae. You don't make everything part of every category, just the most specific category, then the broader categories it belongs to are included up the chain.

The algae are a mess, and part of the difficulty of sorting the mess is locating it amongst the mess that includes everything being in multiple levels of categories. Diatoms is a subcategory of algae, already; it doesn't require being categorized in its category and its category's category, the first takes care of the latter.

Please undo your reversions. You can read about categorization here: Categorization_FAQ and here: Categorization

--184.99.172.218 (talk) 04:57, 5 October 2010 (UTC)


 * My bad. Thanks for putting me right.  I've reverted my reversions.  Cheers, --P LUMBAGO  07:54, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure that all of my current uncats are appropriate, so, it wouldn't hurt for you to monitor them and think about them a bit, especially with the high level categories.
 * Any chance you feel such high levels of remorse for your, um, bad act, that you would be willing to help with the clean-up? --184.99.172.218 (talk) 17:36, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

pH 10 = [H+] *10-10; pH 5 = [H+] * 10-5.
Having read your comments back to -say- 2006, please see my addition to ocean acidification - talk - and see what might transpire... ~ Betaclamp (talk) 06:48, 26 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Hi Betaclamp. I've replied over at the talkpage.  Cheers, --P LUMBAGO  08:32, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

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Michael Fasham
Re - why not English? He was born in England; the article implies he spent most of his time in England; and I see nothing to suggest Scots/Welsh/Irish descent. -- Red rose64 (talk) 21:38, 28 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Why not British? He was born in Britain.  :-)  It's largely just a unionist (small "u") preference that I have.  Unless someone is positively identified with a particular UK region (e.g. a nationalist; or pre-union) I prefer descriptions as "British" (not least so that the separate country categories actually serve a purpose).  Partly, I guess, because though I'm actually Scottish, I self-describe as British.  Anyway, I'm not especially wedded to it.  Cheers, --P LUMBAGO  08:16, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

Copyright problems on William Boyd (writer)
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CHON, CHNOPS, etc.
Hi Plumbago. You may want to take a look at CHON, an article the redirect for CHNOPS you created goes to. I have added a citation for CHNOPS, and made a comment on the Talk page. More editor input would be appreciated. Cheers. N2e (talk) 18:35, 9 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the pointers. I'm only dropping into Wikipedia sporadically at present, so probably won't be able to help much, but I'll try to help if I can.  Cheers, --P LUMBAGO  12:59, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

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Hi Plumbago, I've posted an RfC at Talk:Roger Scruton—see here—to ask whether the neutrality tag should remain on the article. There are a number of issues in dispute; if you could comment even on just one of them, or your overall impression of the article's balance, that would be very helpful. I'm leaving this note because you've edited the article or talk page, but if you have no interest in commenting, please feel free to ignore the request. Cheers, SlimVirgin  TALK |  CONTRIBS 20:59, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

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I no longer attempt to work through Wikipedia talk pages or Wikipedia in general regarding the malicious and defamatory material which left-wing Wikipedia editors, acting out of ideological bias and their own personal agendas, have repeatedly inserted into my Wikipedia entry. I attempted to use the Wikipedia mediation and arbitration procedures, as prescribed, and to date I have not received one single reply from anyone in authority at Wikipedia. Every attempt I have made to use Wikipedia's formal complaints procedure has been simply ignored and my comments taken off line (as this comment probably will be.) FIVE YEARS of discussion was blown away in this manner, I presume because I was making my case against the entry in too persuasive a manner and the Wiki-kooks were becoming embarrassed.

I use multiple accounts, yes, because Wikipedia has responded to my repeated attempts to get them to remove malicious and defamatory material from my entry with silence and with censorship. They say that the greatest compliment one man can pay to another is to attempt to silence him by force. I could do with fewer such compliments from Wikipedia.

These days I carry on my efforts to counter the false, malicious and defamatory material from my entry in a forum which (so far) Wikipedia and the rest of the left has failed to silence. Check out

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ESS editing
Plumbago, on Talk:Earth system science Robert McClenon requested that we refrain from "controversial" editing of the ESS article until the dispute resolution is resolved. After the dispute resolution was filed, but before he posted this request, I had been making some edits to the lead section of the article, but staying away from the disputed section. Then, when Robert posted his request, I refrained from further editing (thought I made one of no consequence by accident, which I reverted). I see that you are now making some substantial edits. Perhaps these are an attempt at compromise? I'm not sure, but I don't know how the edits will be received, given that the dispute has not been officially resolved. So, I say these things in an attempt to be helpful. You can, of course, do what you want. Thank you, Isambard Kingdom (talk) 11:41, 6 October 2015 (UTC)


 * Fair point. I should probably stay away. I just didn't want to leave something I'd started dangling. Especially as Terradactyl drew attention to my halfway edits. I'll steer clear for a bit until the dispute resolution is complete. I must admit, though I've been here a long time, I've not really been involved in disputes before, so wasn't quite sure of the protocol. Still, I could have done what I keep telling Terradactyl to do and read stuff! Thanks for pulling me up on this. Cheers, --P LUMBAGO 11:45, 6 October 2015 (UTC)

Creating a DRAFT for the RfC mentioned on the recent DR/N case
I am creating a page on my userspace's sandbox to discuss the creation of an RfC and its wording to settle the dispute filed at the DR/N here, since there seemed to be 3 out 4 (5?) editors that agreed to using an RfC to settle the contested changes. The draft page can be found at User:Drcrazy102/sandbox/Draft_RfC_for_Earth_System_Science. Please do not comment on the RfC on this talkpage, comment on the Discussion section on the Sandbox page. Cheers, Drcrazy102 (talk) 03:37, 11 October 2015 (UTC)

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James Lovelock
Why do you think that link to 'Lovelock' song is spam? Popular culture reference is not important? Please, do not hesitate to delete it from polish Wikipedia as well: https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Lovelock — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.156.123.199 (talk) 13:57, 5 February 2016 (UTC) BTW: of course I didn't put it there :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.156.123.199 (talk) 13:59, 5 February 2016 (UTC)


 * Actually, I have completly no interest in any of it (e.g. wasting time convincing someone I don't know), but what do you think about this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%22In_popular_culture%22_content ? That it shouldn't be part of any article? Go ahead, there's plenty to fix, start with https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Einstein#In_popular_culture — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.156.123.199 (talk) 15:36, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

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Flood myth
Hi Plumbago, thanks, you're right to revert the recent edit at this article while there is a discussion going on about it. However, you will also see from that discussion that the Biblical text is not cut and dried and IMHO is a therefore a bad example to use. --Bermicourt (talk) 09:18, 3 May 2016 (UTC)

Balance of nature
Have you seen this article? I'm no biologist, but I wonder if it has the right balance. Isambard Kingdom (talk) 03:11, 21 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Giving it a quick once-over, yes, it is a bit odd. Referring to the "balance of nature" as a theory, for instance, seems rather perverse. I'll try to have a go at editing it when I have time. Cheers, --P LUMBAGO 07:49, 24 May 2016 (UTC)
 * I would have thought that, depending on the circumstances, a balance "theory" might be appropriate, but in others, one out of equilibrium, or, as the article indicates, chaotic, might be appropriate. So, my concern would be the tendency in the article to paint everything with one broad brush. Isambard Kingdom (talk) 12:44, 25 May 2016 (UTC)


 * My concerns about the article's take on the subject are that: 1. it presents the "balance of nature" as a scientific theory rather a scientific / popular concept about what nature "does" (the latter is obviously my conception of the term); 2. it is ambiguous about what should be understood about "equilibrium"; 3. it is pretty poorly sourced; 4. it implies that chaos is oppositional to a "balance of nature", completely overlooking the fact that a state of chaos can itself be an equilibrium. On which point, the nature of biological diversity and foodweb connectivity means that simple cycles of species balance are broadly excluded, but that does not mean that nature (whatever that is!) is - at large - out of "balance". In part, this is a question of time and space scales that are also completely overlooked in the article (e.g. averaged over an area of a particular size for a particular period of time, a dynamic balance is "attained"). Finally, the article seems to set the concept up as something that's been "disproved" but this feels like a strawman argument. Anyway, I've argued myself into not knowing where to start with it! --P LUMBAGO 13:01, 25 May 2016 (UTC)

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Life at Earth.
In my opinion, the Earth article gives very little attention to life on Earth. Mostly what is discussed are the physical aspects of our planet. Do you have an opinion on this? Isambard Kingdom (talk) 13:52, 13 September 2016 (UTC)


 * Arguably, there could be a biogeochemistry subsection in the "Physical characteristics" section. In part to draw the reader's attention to the role that the Earth's biota plays in the dynamics of the hydrosphere, atmosphere and surface (i.e. since the biota significantly distinguishes the Earth's physical state from that of other Sol system planets). The atmosphere subsection already contains a brief acknowledgement of this. I guess this could include stuff around biogeochemical cycles of carbon, nitrogen, oxygen, etc., plus examples of where the Earth's physical state has been significantly modified by the biota. For instance, the atmospheric composition, land erosion and soil formation, seafloor sediments, etc. As these would be large-scale, geological time type things, there would be no need to get into the details of living systems, and everything could be ascribed to the non-descript "biota". But perhaps this isn't what you have in mind. --P LUMBAGO 08:06, 16 September 2016 (UTC)

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Virginia Heffernan
Hi there, old friend! I'd like to re-open the discussion surrounding the "Creationism" section on Virginia Heffernan's Wiki page. It's my strong opinion (as a devotee and follower of her work) that that one piece hardly defines her career, but it eats up about a third of her page. Can you talk through this with me? I'd be so grateful. bsnyd 15:36, 8 February 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Briannasnyder83 (talk • contribs)


 * Hi again. Yes, a third is a lot. However, it is one of the more remarkable aspects of her, and certainly garnered a lot of attention (without which I would never have come across her). And what she says on the subject is interesting too - she appears not to be a traditional science-denying creationist, for instance. So I'm still of the view that it needs to be retained, but I'm open to trimming. Cheers, --P LUMBAGO 18:05, 8 February 2017 (UTC)


 * How would you feel about changing the header, then, to "Criticism," if not "Controversy"? I think her own definition of that term is much more complex than the way most people understand it. You're right she's not a science-denying creationist and is a vocal anti-Trump (and anti-Devos) denouncer. In her book (which I just finished, which is why I'm back on here :) ), she devotes a long chapter to the experience of suffering the blowback from that column and she talks at length about her philosophy studies at Harvard and UVa and how they informed her relationship to religion and God. There's more clarity there than could or should ever try to be conveyed in a Wiki page, but I'd just like to advocate on her behalf -- I know you discovered her based on this controversy, but if you look at her whole body of work I think you'd understand this column is not quite so remarkable. However, THAT SAID, I hear your points and understand them. So would you be amenable to shortening this section to just one graph (the first one that ends with Carl Zimmer), which acknowledges the controversy and links to the column, and then adding a sentence pointing to more elaborate criticism, citing Moynihan and the Guardian response only in footnotes? Forgive this long text. Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Briannasnyder83 (talk • contribs) 02:18, 9 February 2017 (UTC)

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