User talk:PoetsLabyrinth

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Speedy deletion of Tiffany Apan
A tag has been placed on Tiffany Apan requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A7 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article appears to be about a person or group of people, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is important or significant: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, such articles may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable, as well as our subject-specific notability guideline for biographies.

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April 2009
Welcome to Wikipedia. Although everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia, your addition of one or more external links to the page Tiffany Apan has been reverted.

Your edit here was reverted by an automated bot that attempts to remove unwanted links and spam from Wikipedia. The external link you added or changed is on my list of links to remove and probably shouldn't be included in Wikipedia. The external links I reverted were matching the following regex rule(s): \byoutube\.com (links: http://www.youtube.com/tiffanyapan). If the external link you inserted or changed was to a media file (e.g. an image file) on an external server, then note that linking to such files may be subject to Wikipedia's copyright policy and therefore probably should not be linked to. Please consider using our upload facility to upload a suitable media file.

If you were trying to insert an external link that does comply with our policies and guidelines, then please accept my creator's apologies and feel free to undo the bot's revert. However, if the link does not comply with our policies and guidelines, but your edit included other changes to the article, feel free to make those changes again without re-adding the link. Please read Wikipedia's external links guideline for more information, and consult my list of frequently-reverted sites. For more information about me, see my FAQ page. Thanks! --XLinkBot (talk) 03:14, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

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Your edit here was reverted by an automated bot that attempts to remove unwanted links and spam from Wikipedia. The external link you added or changed is on my list of links to remove and probably shouldn't be included in Wikipedia. The external links I reverted were matching the following regex rule(s): \bmyspace\.com (links: http://www.myspace.com/tiffanyapanmusic). If the external link you inserted or changed was to a media file (e.g. an image file) on an external server, then note that linking to such files may be subject to Wikipedia's copyright policy and therefore probably should not be linked to. Please consider using our upload facility to upload a suitable media file.

If you were trying to insert an external link that does comply with our policies and guidelines, then please accept my creator's apologies and feel free to undo the bot's revert. However, if the link does not comply with our policies and guidelines, but your edit included other changes to the article, feel free to make those changes again without re-adding the link. Please read Wikipedia's external links guideline for more information, and consult my list of frequently-reverted sites. For more information about me, see my FAQ page. Thanks! --XLinkBot (talk) 04:23, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Tiffany Apan
I have nominated Tiffany Apan, an article that you created, for deletion. I do not think that this article satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and have explained why at Articles for deletion/Tiffany Apan. Your opinions on the matter are welcome at that same discussion page; also, you are welcome to edit the article to address these concerns. Thank you for your time.Please contact me if you're unsure why you received this message. Bongo matic  13:28, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
 * You seem to be adding a laundry list of links to Tiffany Apan. It might be useful for you to review Wikipedia's notability guidelines in order to focus your efforts on providing sources that would demonstrate the subject meets them. That would mean identifying significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject. Regards, Bongo  matic  06:12, 6 May 2009 (UTC) Should you wish to reply, please do so here. I will watch this page for a few days, so no talkback or other comment on my talk page is required.

Attacks?
Hi PoetsLabyrinth

On Articles for deletion/Tiffany Apan you have accused me of "attacking" you. My only edits to your talk page are the addition of a notification template and a polite comment on the quality of external links and references you were adding to the Tiffany Apan article.

I have reviewed my comments at the AfD as well and cannot find anything that could possibly be considered to be a personal attack, nor do I see any other comments which can be considered uncivil. The points raised at the AfD are not for your eyes only (otherwise, I would leave such comments here) and are intended to provide context for other editors opining in the deletion discussion and the closing administrator. The facts that I pointed out are presented neutrally and without animus or sarcastic (compare to "Eufonia Radio APPEARS to be a blog? Well it either is or it isn't.").

If you care to review my edit record, you will see a long history of improving the encyclopedia, including both additions (content and, importantly, referencing) and subtractions (speedy, prod, and AfD nominations and discussions). If you see any evidence of bad faith in my treatment of you or this subject, please bring it to the appropriate forum for consideration. Otherwise, please refactor your comments at the AfD discussion.

Bongo matic 05:18, 19 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Hi Bongomatic,
 * I'm sorry but I do feel attacked. I'm new here to Wikipedia and you don't seem to be taking that into consideration at all.  I'm trying to make my time here enjoyable and learn how to write and edit a good article.  I'm not here to argue with anyone and I hate that we even are having this discussion (both here and on the AfD page) since there are other things I would rather be doing with my time.  I do feel a need to stick up for myself, unfortunatly.  I did feel an attack since I stated that I was new to Wikipedia, still learning, and politely asked for time and a chance as I learned from my mistakes and searched in other articles I was interested in for areas I can add to, and you just came in with what seemed like accusations indicating that you were unwilling to even give me chance to prove myself here (please remember, my account is only a little over a month old.) You accused me of being here for only advertisement purposes.  Looking at it from your perspective, I guess I can understand why it may appear that way but it is a false accusation.  My comment was merely a reaction to that.  As I said, maybe starting out with this article was not the wisest move but an unwise move does not mean that I'm not here in good faith.  I will remove the attacking comment if it was out of line.
 * PoetsLabyrinth
 * P.S.-As for the Eufonia Radio comment, I was not being sarcastic or animus. I was merely stating that it either is or it isn't a blog.  If you are going to call an article unreliable, I think there should be concrete evidence as opposed to a mere assumption.  I'm also a little confused at the fact that in your first message to me, you said that I was welcome to edit my article in an attempt to bring it up to standards which is what I did.  But just now, you appeared to ridicule that and accuse me of only being here for advertising.  You also seemed to twist my words making them appear to mean something that they did not.  I chose to use the name PoetsLabyrinth because I did want to be honest about who I was which should indicate at least some good faith.  Like I said, I'm sorry we are even having this discussion but I did feel the need to defend myself and my reasons for being here.
 * I would not describe my comments on the quality of references and external links as "ridicule" (and I never intended to imply lack of good faith, just a WP:COI problem, which is not disputed; your transparency is commendable), but if you interpreted them that way, apologies for my wording. I intended to convey my belief that you had not provided anything that meets the threshold of WP:RS (a threshold that differs for sourcing assertions and demonstrating notability&mdash;with the latter being the higher one). By using the phrase "laundry list" I meant to suggest that instead of adding every possible citation, it would be more helpful to find one or two references that&mdash;by their reliability or reputation&mdash;demonstrate notability as defined here. I stand by that position and advice.
 * I can understand how you feel about your start here, and I agree that everyone should be encouraged to make Wikipedia a better encyclopedia. My view is that with so many potential articles and incomplete / inadequately referenced articles on uncontroversially notable topics, those are the best places to focus one's energy. Of course, Wikipedia thrives because editors have disparate interests, so topics will be all over the map&mdash;but other than edit disputes over points of view (something that can easily be avoided), if you stick to the stuff with significant coverage in reliable sources in, your articles will not be nominated for deletion.
 * You mentioned that there are lots of articles with similar quality of references to the Tiffany Apan article. That is true, and in my view regrettable&mdash;that is not the objective here. There are a wide range of articles here that make Wikipedia a valuable resource, including even well-referenced stub articles that provide readers a starting point for understanding a topic, and ranging all the way to Wikipedia's featured articles. In my view, the common thread of the meritorious articles here is the quality of the references&mdash;both to the facts asserted and evidencing the suitability for inclusion of the topic.
 * Editing Wikipedia should be fun&mdash;nobody (or at least not most!) is paid to do it. But that doesn't make it a video game or something else lacking real-world consequences. Bongo  matic  06:54, 19 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Well, I appreciate the explanation and apology and I apologize if I came across as abrasive as well. I decided that I'm going to back the article up to my computer and save it for future once the artist has been covered more, won an award or two (as the artist is up for a couple) and there isn't a question or need to dispute; this is just due to the fact that I really don't want to spend anymore time or energy on this than I already have.  I could argue about their signifigance in the independant world, but like I said this is just becoming too much of a headache.  I may actually just erase all the content myself and the admins can do the rest.

Thanks-PoetsLabyrinth —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.239.202.136 (talk) 19:55, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

Your username
We appreciate the effort you put forth on Tiffany Apan to bring that article in line with Wikipedia standards. However, your username is the same as her current record label, and this would make it difficult for other users to assume good faith and implies a role account. While our username policy doesn't explicitly prohibit such usernames, it strongly discourages them. Perhaps you should consider changing it. Daniel Case (talk) 16:03, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Nomination of Tiffany Apan for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Tiffany Apan is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Articles for deletion/Tiffany Apan (2nd nomination) until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion template from the top of the article. Bongo  matic  03:49, 6 May 2012 (UTC)