User talk:Point-set topologist/Archive 1

Your recent edits
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Ring (mathematics)
Hi, I noticed you've made some edits to this page, and that you've set the talk page to indicate that it's a "featured article." I suggest you revert that change to the talk page for now and read Featured article candidates on the procedure to be followed to make something a featured article. Joeldl (talk) 19:56, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Hi again, I put that template there so people would know the article was being revamped, not to suggest the deletion of the article. I've modified Template:Underconstruction, so it may be more to your liking now. The reason the language about a deletion tag is there is that the template is sometimes used when an article is just starting out, and there may not be enough material to convince people that the article is worth keeping. In this case, I thought it would be useful, because if people saw that things were out of place in the article somehow, they'd know the situation was temporary. Joeldl (talk) 19:22, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Your recent edits
Hi there. In case you didn't know, when you add content to talk pages and Wikipedia pages that have open discussion, you should sign your posts by typing four tildes ( &#126;&#126;&#126;&#126; ) at the end of your comment. If you can't type the tilde character, you should click on the signature button located above the edit window. This will automatically insert a signature with your name and the time you posted the comment. This information is useful because other editors will be able to tell who said what, and when. Thank you! --SineBot (talk) 20:04, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, but you have already told me this. Could you please stop? I am unable to sign my posts because I can't type "tilda" on my keyboard. PST —Preceding unsigned comment added by Point-set topologist (talk • contribs)


 * Howdy. There is at least one way around having to type tilde.  As SineBot indicated, above the edit window (at least in a graphical browser) there is a row of buttons, including one that looks like a signature: [[Image:Signature_icon.png]].  If you click that button, it produces the string --~, so you can use it to sign your messages.   If you just want to avoid SineBot's automatic messages, you can opt out of them. Michael Slone (talk) 22:40, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

A lurker's perspective on ring (mathematics)
Just to start off- I don't have much of an opinion about whose version of this article is better.

May I politely suggest, PST, that you chill out and assume good faith? To suggest that Taku is simply wasting his time and others' is fairly ridiculous. To ask him to stop contributing to this article and discussion is also inappropriate. You may want to check out WP:OWN. I realize (and appreciate) that you've put a lot of work into your version, but that alone doesn't make it worth preserving. You having "kept your cool" is good, I suppose, but I see absolutely nothing that anybody's done here which should cause you to lose your cool in the first place. People changing around and deleting your text is not rude-- it is exactly what happens on Wikipedia all the time. Attacking Taku repeatedly for advocating his version (exactly what you are doing for your version) is unlikely to win you any allies. (I'll watch here if you want to reply, but I'm not really interested in being drawn into an argument- consider this my (unsolicited) two cents.) Staecker (talk) 16:40, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

I will chill out. I did get a bit upset but the fact is that I explain what is wrong with his version, he does not respond to this, and again says his version is good. This takes up a lot of time for me. I am sorry for getting upset and I guess this was unnecessary. People changing around and deleting my text is of course what I want: I want people to improve the article. I was upset with Taku because he deleted half the article without discussion and then re-wrote it in his own words. I will continue to keep my cool and once again I am sorry about getting angry (perhaps you might have felt the same way if you were in my position).

P.S The other thing that you have to remember is that I am a new user...

Thanks!

PST

Clarification of relevance of WP:OUTING
I followed your suggestion to seek administrative clarification on this policy decision. (We are simply not interpreting the text in the same way, so a purely factual answer is sought.) My natural instinct was to bring up the issue on WP:WPM, but if your interpretation of the policy is correct, then doing so is itself a form of outing. So instead I picked a member of our project who is also an administrator -- Charles Matthews -- and brought up the concern on his talk page. It might be a good idea for you also to select and contact an administrator on this matter: otherwise, because of the holidays we might wait a while before getting an answer. Plclark (talk) 20:47, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Please do not harass other editors
Please see this. In effect, my edits were not considered to be harassment by the users involved.

Do not edit the user pages of users with whom you have had a recent dispute. Certainly do not introduce grammatical mistakes into their user pages. JackSchmidt (talk) 21:19, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I replied on your talk page: Taku did not consider my edits to be vandalizm. This reply is just to note that the matter has been resolved.

Your recent edits
Hi there. In case you didn't know, when you add content to talk pages and Wikipedia pages that have open discussion, you should sign your posts by typing four tildes ( &#126;&#126;&#126;&#126; ) at the end of your comment. If you can't type the tilde character, you should click on the signature button located above the edit window. This will automatically insert a signature with your name and the time you posted the comment. This information is useful because other editors will be able to tell who said what, and when. Thank you! --SineBot (talk) 12:59, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

your recent edits
Hi,

I'd like to point out some things to you that come to my mind when following your recent edits. First, posts at article talk pages (such as Talk:Vector space or Wikipedia talk:Wikiproject Mathematics etc) are to be signed. See one of the numerous reminders in your user talk. Please do take that moment, it is for the comfort of everybody to know who is posting. Secondly, and more importantly, following (not very closely, though) your edits at manifold (mathematics) I have to say that you might want to edit a bit more carefully, in particular when good articles are concerned. I'd like to encourage you to think twice before you remove material from fairly good articles as the manifold one. Jakob.scholbach (talk) 21:43, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Hi Jakob,


 * I explained at WikiProject mathematics. I didn't actually delete that section; I merged it into another section and then deleted (by the way, Taku did the same to ring (mathematics) on a much larger scale; not that this excuses me from doing it but I am just saying that I know a bit on the subject and the previous version was certainly below par in my point of view). --Point-set topologist (talk) 21:48, 12 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Also note that quite a few editors edited after that so none of them thought that my edits were bad. --Point-set topologist (talk) 21:51, 12 January 2009 (UTC)


 * I'm too tired now to check it one by one, or explain one by one. However, shows, for example, that (probably, or somebody else in the meantime) you rewrote one lead section as "In a one-dimensional manifold (or one-manifold), every point has a neighborhood that looks like a segment of a line. Examples of one-manifolds include a line (trivial), a circle (any arc in the circle looks like a (curved) line), and two separate circles.  In a two-manifold, every point has a neighborhood that looks like a disk. Examples include a plane (trivial), the surface of a sphere (similar to a circle, any curved disk on the circle looks like a disk), and the surface of a torus. The trivial example of an n-manifold is the n-dimensional Euclidean space.". To me, that is a clear deterioration. Mentioning every time what is "trivial" is not only repetetive, but also bad style. What you know is not what others know. Removing "Not every manifold can be written as a product of other manifolds." is worse than replacing it by "Not every manifold can be written as a nontrivial product of other manifolds." Main templates are used to link to bigger topics (e.g. representation theory or differentiable manifold or so, but it's not necessary to use it for small articles like Klein bottle etc. That said, not all of your edits were "bad", but I felt a revert of all of them would bring back the article to a better state. Therefore I reverted. Note that other editors are not obliged to clean up your traces or sort out what edit is good and what is not so good. Jakob.scholbach (talk) 22:09, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

Your policy works
Maybe I am optimistic, but it seems that after your removing proposals people down at the math ref desk got scared of posting silly questions and try to do it in a more presentable way. They look a bit more acceptable now, ya? ;) --PMajer (talk) 21:28, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
 * My work there is done. :) -- PS T  12:11, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

Signature
Hi,

I thought you might like to know that you can customize your signature in the my preferences tab on your browser. If you enter in the "Signature:" field
 * PS T

then the result is the (clickable) signature
 * PS T

which will appear automatically on talk pages when you type three '~'s, and a date is appended if you type four '~'s. Anyway, I have noticed that some other editors are aggravated when you don't "properly sign" (with four '~'s), sometimes to the point of signing for you. This, at least, would seem to be a way to satisfy their demands while still preserving the look of a signature whose font matches with the rest of the post. Cheers, siℓℓy rabbit  (  talk  ) 02:16, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
 * There's a bot that should go around signing if you can't be bothered to do things properly but sometime it doesn't work or takes a long time noticing. Please just sign with the four tildas and I don't appreciate irrelevant comments in the refdesk about you approving or not approving questions. Dmcq (talk) 10:19, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

Ref desk
I accepted that my behaviour there was not appropriate and I would just answer questions at the ref. desk-- PS T  12:25, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

Please see Wikipedia_talk:Reference_desk. Thanks. --Tango (talk) 18:14, 16 January 2009 (UTC)