User talk:Pointsmyth

Anarchism template
Please reconsider the anarchism template. Spontanious order is a matter of freedom, or letting free. Anarchism is more letting free in the sense of social freedom, libertarianism is more letting free in the sense of capital. Or in other words anarchism is left freedom, libertarianism is right freedom. See folowing link for more detail http://www.politicalcompass.org/analysis2 So according to anarchist theory there can be spontanious order in society (not ruling and letting society come to spontanious order). According to libertarian theory there can be spontanious orther in economic markets(not restricting markets with rules or governement sanctions). Also Anarcho-capitalism is the same as economic libertarianism (see both templates there). And last but not least the first to work out a theory in present times are Proudhon (an anarchist) and Hayek (a libertarian) Teardrop onthefire 10:10, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Proudhon and Hayek both have the same basic idea, which is that liberty is the mother of order. There are not a separate "anarchist" and "libertarian" spontaneous order concepts. Proudhon said "business transactions alone will produce the social order." It's the same thing. Proudhon was a libertarian too. A libertarian in this context is just someone who believes in human freedom. My point was that only Proudhon and individualists are entertain this concept. Anarcho-communists and such never discuss such a thing or seem to be aware of the concept. Pointsmyth 16:27, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Another famous quote was his "dialogue with a Philistine" in What is Property?:

"Why, how can you ask such a question? You are a republican." "A republican! Yes; but that word specifies nothing. Res publica; that is, the public thing. Now, whoever is interested in public affairs -- no matter under what form of government -- may call himself a republican. Even kings are republicans." "Well! You are a democrat?" "No." "What! "you would have a monarchy?"   "No."    " A Constitutionalist?"    "God forbid."    "Then you are an aristocrat?"    "Not at all!"    "You want a mixed form of government?"    "Even less."    "Then what are you?"    "I am an anarchist."    "Oh! I understand you; you speak satirically. This is a hit at the government."   "By no means. I have just given you my serious and well-considered profession of faith. Although a firm friend of order, I am (in the full force of the term) an anarchist. Listen to me."

Teardrop onthefire 07:47, 23 May 2007 (UTC)