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Hi PointsofNoReturn, I wanted to let you know that I have taken the liberty of refactoring your comments in the "Comments and questions" section of the RfC here. I created a new subsection for discussion of the "Length and structure of the note." My reasoning was based on two considerations: 1) Your question was similar to subsequent comments about the note, and b) the heading you used wasn't necessary. If you have any concerns about what I've done, please let me know. Sunray (talk) 15:26, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Fine with me. Thanks for helping out. PointsofNoReturn (talk) 00:31, 31 July 2015 (UTC)

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I-87 GAN
I removed the GA nomination from I-87. If you'll look, one of the footnotes is citing Yahoo Maps. That site has been shut down, and so the link is dead. You should have switched that footnote over to another online mapping service before nominating. That issue is more minor compared to the other one. There are two roadgeek websites in use. They are both self-published sources. As such they fail to meet the requirement as "reliable sources", in the Wikipedia sense. That means the article fails the GA criteria. They absolutely must be replaced as sources before the article could be passed. Some less-experienced reviewers may or may not pick up on the SPS tags, and it may take you longer than the default 7-day holding period to find replacement citations. It is better to fix those issues before nominating than to hold up a review for a long time or have the review fail.  Imzadi 1979  →   17:43, 3 August 2015 (UTC)
 * And would replacing yahoo maps with google maps make any difference? PointsofNoReturn (talk) 17:45, 3 August 2015 (UTC)
 * That's a good way to resolve that issue, assuming the replacement link supports the same information the old link is supposed to reference. Yahoo shut down their mapping site very quickly, so all of the links are useless already. That's still the more minor concern compared to finding replacements for roadgeek websites. Since those sites are most commonly used to cite historical data, and that's the hardest information to research in a highway article, they can be quite hard to replace. If you have access to the right sources, it could be easy to find old maps or old newspaper articles to support the information. It might take you a few minutes or a few months to resolve. The Yahoo issue should only take a few minutes to fix, but the other...  Imzadi 1979  →   17:56, 3 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Ah, that makes sense. Could you tell me which sites are the roadgeek ones? Given this road is a major interstate, I suspect I should be able to find something to replace them. PointsofNoReturn (talk) 18:00, 3 August 2015 (UTC)
 * The SPSs were tagged with self-published source already. They're the NYCRoads website and AARoads. I think I saw that you replaced one, but not the other. Also, since it's an American highway, you should really use MDY date formats, so "August 3, 3015" instead of "3 August 2015"". You may have to edit the date to clean up after a script if that's what you're using to insert citations. As for map citations, most of them aren't complete and should be completed at some point. (This isn't a GA-level issue, but it is if you took the article to ACR or FAC.) After the updates to cite map earlier this year, a complete map citation should have an author (could be, and usually is, the same as the publishing company), a date or year of publication, a title, the scale, a location of publication, the publisher, and any applicable page/inset/section information to locate the part of the map being cited. If the scale is not printed on the map, Scale not given is an appropriate notation. If the map is online with a variable scale, just omit this parameter. The cartography parameter is basically deprecated as the person or entity that did the cartography should be listed as an author. (There are cases though where it should be separated from regular authorship, like the map Chris Bessert drew for the CVB that's used as a source on M-185.) Check http://www.worldcat.org and search for the map to see what they list on it. You may locate an ISBN or OCLC number, and a scale. Sometimes they have a scale that's not printed on the map, so you can list it in brackets like [c. 1:75,000].  Imzadi 1979  →   03:58, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I found a second source to replace the other self-published source. By the way, the self-published source does not seem to even prove the fact it claims to site. The new source does, although I am not certain if it is reliable. It seems to be a local website for Albany, and the article has an author listed. Do you think this is a reliable source? PointsofNoReturn (talk) 01:28, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

That source looks it should be ok. The "about" page lists different names from the author of the article as editors, so we can tell that they review content before (or after) publication. There's also a media company listed as the publisher, which is a good sign. If you pull up the other stuff written for the site by that author, it looks like the variety of stuff a local reporter at a local newspaper might handle. I'm inclined to say that it's reliable for our purposes, like any local newspaper would be. So to save you some time, here's a citation (including a pre-emptive archive link):

I think based on what I said above that the principle of "editorial control" applies to that website, so that means we can consider it a reliable source. (Editorial control is the process where an editor reviews content to be published and has the ability to kill it before publication. It also means that that editor can issue a retraction or correction of an article previously published.)  Imzadi 1979  →   05:36, 5 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the help with this article. I replaced the other self-published source. Would this be enough to renominate for GA? Or should I complete the other references first? PointsofNoReturn (talk) 21:32, 5 August 2015 (UTC)
 * GAN doesn't care about consistent or complete references. WP:WIAGA is what you should look through first. Those criteria are satisfied if someone can use the references to find a copy of the sources used, even if you used APA for note 1, MLA for note 3, CMOS for note 3 and our templates for note 4, or if you left half of the expected citation details out but left enough in to allow the reviewer judge the reliability of a source. That's why I said before that they "should be completed at some point". If you think the rest of the article meets the criteria, and you have the ability to respond to any issues the reviewer finds, then nominate it. Unless the article has been through an edit war, it should be stable enough. (Minor changes to prep something for nomination, and even the addition of regular content through normal editing aren't enough to make an article unstable.) Then it's a matter of prose quality, reliable references, complying with the OR policy, hitting the major details without going into too much detail, and proper licenses on the graphics/photos used in the article.
 * Someday, since this is a 2dI we're discussing, someone will probably want to take the article to ACR or FAC. It's a lot easier to fill in a complete citation when it is added than for someone else to come back later and dig for the missing information. To prep Interstate 96 for ACR or FAC, I had to to go a university library to find copies of a journal article from the 1960s that someone else had added years previously without all of the details. For books or maps that can be located in http://www.worldcat.org or another library catalog, it isn't so bad, but for newspaper or journal articles, it can mean traveling to a library to retrieve missing citation details.  Imzadi 1979  →   01:54, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
 * P.S. You might want to look into archiving your talk page. It's getting quite long, and if you follow the instructions, a bot can automate the process for you and put older talk page sections into neat archives. Long talk pages can be problematic for people using mobile devices to access Wikipedia.  Imzadi 1979  →   01:57, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the input. I think I will renominate the article for GA. Also, I was planning on archiving a lot of my talk page, but was feeling a little lazy. I will do that now. Thank you for the heads up. I will also try to complete as many references as possible along the way. PointsofNoReturn (talk) 01:59, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

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Charlotte All Stars
The page definetly needs a lot of work, but they are a legitimate and notable establishment. It's worthy of keeping. --Willthacheerleader18 (talk) 05:39, 14 August 2015 (UTC)
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If you have time could you review the Second Avenue Subway article that another editor I work with nominated to be a good article? Thanks. --Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 21:03, 29 February 2016 (UTC)
 * I am not certain if I will have much time for the next few weeks, due to schoolwork and other commitments. I am also working on the article on the Hudson River. I will look into doing the review on the 2nd Ave Subway in the next few days, though most likely any substantial work would occur outside of a week and a half (after two exams I have). PointsofNoReturn (talk) 05:00, 7 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the response, and thanks for considering it. Good luck on your exams!--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 20:27, 7 March 2016 (UTC)
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Alternative account?
Hi, is this an alternative account for ? Thanks. Jytdog (talk) 02:15, 1 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Hi Jytdog, I watch this page. This user is someone I met at a Wikipedia event who has volunteered to independently review (and when satisfied, publish) a few drafts I wrote while under a conflict of interest, following best practices. Users Bluerasberry, Pharos, and Jeremyb are among those that will attest that we are not the same individual, and that PointsofNoReturn is not under any conflicts of interest. I can skype or email you better if you want more details. Thanks, ɱ  (talk) · vbm  · coi) 03:26, 1 May 2017 (UTC)
 * This is not an alternative account. I have over 3000 independent edits on a variety of articles and pages. With relation to the article specifically, I subjected it to a rigorous review, delaying the publishing of the article for 6 months or so. I made an effort to remove any biased points in the article. If you think I missed anything important, feel free to change it. PointsofNoReturn (talk) 03:36, 1 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks for clarifying and for your tolerance of the question. I looked at contribs and there were some strange edits by this account to Ɱ's userpage and sandbox; otherwise i would not have asked.  The two of you did a nice job on the article btw.  Thanks for that work! Jytdog (talk) 04:20, 1 May 2017 (UTC)
 * I can see why the recent edits would make you think that. No hard feelings at all. Also, thanks for noticing our work! I'm glad the article came out the way it did. PointsofNoReturn (talk) 04:32, 1 May 2017 (UTC)

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