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Draft: Haechan
hi! sorry for bothering you but for haechan good person album name, it is also called "good person (2022)" not ply friends ost. you can look up on melon, genie or any major korea music platforms. thank you! :) Mr lee donghyuck (talk) 22:21, 20 March 2022 (UTC)
 * @Mr lee donghyuck After checking Melon and other platforms I think you're right on this matter but please stop adding information related to NCT U, which should not be on a page covering only Haechan's solo activities, and stop re-submitting the article when it has just been rejected a few days ago. Poirot09 (talk) 22:26, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

lol Mr lee donghyuck (talk) 23:50, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

Please do not copy-and-paste articles, even if you started them and were the main contributor
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Jaehyun page
Just wondering why you undid my revision. I think that was a huge thing in the NCTzen fandom and 79 million views is more than some of NCT’s music videos (e.g Punch). 127squadfam (talk) 13:32, 8 May 2022 (UTC)


 * @127squadfam per WP:RS. Youtube is not considered a reliable published source and the video itself is a primary source. And also views are not relevant to an artist career. Poirot09 (talk) 13:50, 8 May 2022 (UTC)

Ok then. 127squadfam (talk) 13:51, 8 May 2022 (UTC)

Haechan Draft
Hello, I wanted to ask why ALL of my edits were reverted? Even the following: I included his unofficial website, childhood activities concerning dance (which contribute to his extensive knowledge on dance to this day) with citation, as well as his official positions in NCT units? While I understand why some edits weren't constructive, these definitely were (in my opinion).

Thanks, HAETAN06 (talk) 06:14, 14 May 2022 (UTC).


 * @HAETAN06 Regarding the childhood activities and external links added, we prefer secondary reliable sources, while the video is primary. Also, there were some unsourced statements. Fan websites are not allowed per WP:NOBLOGS. The positions are considered fancruft, as they are not important outside of K-pop. Might I also suggest you do not resubmit the article, as Haechan doesn't have any relevant work as a solo artist for now. It will be rejected. Poirot09 (talk) 09:35, 14 May 2022 (UTC)

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Accio Quote Philosopher's Stone
You marked Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone as done in the list of ELNEVER policy violations in Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Novels, but the maintenance template I put in earlier is still there. In case you don't know, Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone is one of those articles that requires editors to review and approve changes before they can be published. If you already knew that, your change was either never reviewed or I'm jumping the gun and the change is still being reviewed. Or you forgot to make the change to begin with, but I highly doubt that. 100.7.36.213 (talk) 21:58, 28 June 2022 (UTC)


 * Thanks for letting me know, I forgot to save the changes. Now it's done. Poirot09 (talk) 11:33, 29 June 2022 (UTC)

Tangled characters edits
What do you mean "unsourced"? Dan Fogelman is the screenwriter for the film, as you can read on the article and various other sources. And based on what I've researched, credit for creating a character normally goes to the writer(s) of the original source material. So by that logic, should the "created by", or rather "adapted by" credit (since the movie "Tangled" is based on the fairy tale "Rapunzel") for the characters go to Dan Fogelman, since he's the only credited writer for the film? Brian K. Tyler (talk) 03:42, 10 June 2022 (UTC)


 * @Brian K. Tyler There's no reference on any of the characters' articles that says Fogelman is the creator, if you find a reliable ref you can add him alongside the creators that are already sourced. There's no rule that says the screenwriter is automatically the creator. Poirot09 (talk) 09:57, 10 June 2022 (UTC)

Well, consider this. When making a feature film, the directors usually come in after the script is written and submitted. The writers are the ones who make or remake a story (where fictional characters come from) and the directors are the ones who lead the cast and crew to making the story appear on screen, whether the director(s) wrote the script his/herself or not. And films that have been adapted from previous source material have a “based on” credit that very often goes to the writer(s) of said source material. Which is why credit or creating or adapting a character from a movie can and usually does go to the screenwriter(s) by default. Just look at IMDb or the Writers Guild of America website for more information. Brian K. Tyler (talk) 03:20, 26 June 2022 (UTC)


 * @Brian K. Tyler Again, find a reliable source or a Wikipedia guideline saying that and you can add it. Poirot09 (talk) 11:36, 29 June 2022 (UTC)

Grammar and WP:PROSELINE
are you sure that i'm the one who edit that? all i did was putting a ref name and changing some contexts to songwriting credit section :) Jaeklmn (talk) 18:18, 12 August 2022 (UTC)


 * @Jaeklmn What do you mean? I just restored the last good version (yours) before the wrong edits, I didn't say it was you. The tool I use automatically mentions whose version I'm restoring, you might have gotten confused from that. Poirot09 (talk) 18:31, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

ohh. yeah. you're right. i misunderstood. but, thank you for clarifications tho. Jaeklmn (talk) 18:58, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

Johnny page
Hi, You may not be aware but I am the owner of the draft for the Johnny page. I created it and I do not appreciate you removing some of the edits I made with some fellow Wikipedians. If you would like to remove or change things, ask me first. 127squadfam (talk) 01:18, 14 August 2022 (UTC)


 * @127squadfam You can't "own" articles on Wikipedia per WP:OWN, please check policies before making any claims. Poirot09 (talk) 10:40, 14 August 2022 (UTC)

I was not stating I own it, but I would appreciate if you reversed it. I simply just created the draft and I want to work on it with the people that are helping me. I understand people can edit them and add what they want whenever they want and have the right to do so, I just would like if you would remove your changes to already existing edits and the image you added in replacement of the one somebody already had put. 127squadfam (talk) 23:17, 27 August 2022 (UTC)

To add, if you want to remove my edits that I have made, that is fine but please give me or other people that have made edits a reason to why. 127squadfam (talk) 23:20, 27 August 2022 (UTC)

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Jung So-min on English Wikipedia
Hi, I'm Phatonfire98. I've just made many edits to Jung So-min page, but you undo all my contribution. Could you explain in detail? Phatonfire98 (talk) 10:14, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
 * @Phatonfire98 I already explained in my edit summary, but the issues were: common words (like Koreans and actor) should not be linked per WP:OVERLINKING, the channel should not be included (per this discussion), italics should be used for films and tv series per MOS:ITALICS. Also the Korean titles should only be included if there is no wikipedia article for the series or film. Poirot09 (talk) 10:31, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
 * If so, you can remove hyperlinks, and the Korean texts and some format problems. But how about the information I just added on Filmography, Discography, TV shows, Audio Books. They were not available before my edits. So I think I'll be glad if you can help me correct above problems, and keep my info updates. Phatonfire98 (talk) 10:37, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
 * If the Korean titles make you uncomfortable, I already put them in brackets; moreover, the English titles are always available there... Don't know why you didn't accept my edits. And the channel information is very OK, every drama has its own distributor. It's important to show this info. Phatonfire98 (talk) 10:30, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
 * @Phatonfire98 It doesn't make me "uncomfortable", it's just Wikipedia policy and guidelines. Poirot09 (talk) 10:34, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
 * OK, my apologies. Could you keep my info updates instead of removing all my contributions? Phatonfire98 (talk) 10:39, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
 * @Phatonfire98 If you find proper reliable secondary sources, sure. Youtube, Apple Music, etc are primary, we try not to use them. I'll restore some of the good edits, like the addition to career section, and remove the unsourced ones. Poirot09 (talk) 10:45, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
 * You like to use secondary source instead of the primary ones? Is it Wiki guidelines? I really don't understand this choice. Phatonfire98 (talk) 10:50, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
 * @Phatonfire98 Yeah, Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, so we summarize what is important, not everything, and to understand what is notable and what is not, we use secondary sources. Everyone can publish their own stuff on the internet, but if it's reported by a reliable newspaper, journal, etc, it probably deserves to be here. I see you have a Welcome message on your talk page, you should check that out if you want to know more. Poirot09 (talk) 10:58, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Anyway I will do it myself. After considering your explanations, I will make edits according to Wiki guidelines. If sth is still incorrect, you can inbox to me on this topic, and I'll do it. Phatonfire98 (talk) 10:58, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
 * @Phatonfire98 Sure go ahead, and happy editing! Poirot09 (talk) 11:02, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

Adding personnel to 5SOS5
Hi Poirot. There were several issues with your addition of the personnel on 5SOS5. Firstly, personnel goes after the track listing per the order of sections at MOS:ALBUM. No decent article puts them before the album track listing. Also, the track listing and the personnel do not need to be sourced. Linking to websites like Apple Music and Tidal is an issue per WP:AFFILIATE anyway, but MOS:ALBUM states it's expected that the liner notes (including digital liner notes, like those available on Tidal) are the source and so they does not need "explicit citation in most cases". Finally, per MOS:SMALL, making the tracks somebody's role applies to small is arguably not "fine print" so should not be made small, and this was a significant overuse of the template anyway. I don't see a particular benefit to using the spaced en dash template either. Thanks. Also, I'm not sure why you removed producers from the infobox. The parameter exists for a reason—producers should be listed there. We don't remove them just because we also have a personnel section where they are credited. If you do this elsewhere, then please cease this practice. Producers should always be listed in the infobox if the information is available.  Ss  112   04:33, 19 September 2022 (UTC)


 * @Ss112 Hi, thanks for the corrections. I based some of my edits on some FA or GA (namely Rumours, Tragic Kingdom and "TV"). For the producers, I wasn't sure if I should have added all the producers, including additional etc, and that seemed like an pretty long list for an infobox. I guess I'll check out MOS:ALBUM first next time. Poirot09 (talk) 10:04, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

Thematic critique- Harry Potter page
Hello @Poirot09, I noticed you removed a source as you said it was written by a "contributor": I wanted to ask what did you mean by that? Wanting to clear up so I can avoid using an unreliable source in the future Jaguarnik (talk) 02:02, 3 October 2022 (UTC)


 * @Jaguarnik Hi, check out WP:Forbes. It is generally considered unreliable. Poirot09 (talk) 06:07, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

L'Odissea 1911
What's your problem with this film? It's just one of the other movies about Homer's Odyssey. Okapi Coinvolto (talk) 20:24, 30 October 2022 (UTC)


 * @Okapi Coinvolto If you bothered to read your talk page, you would already know. On Wikipedia you need to add a reliable source to your edits. The problem has been solved since I searched a bit and found a decent source. However, next time please check your talk page before blindly continuing to add unsourced things that have been reverted. Poirot09 (talk) 20:41, 30 October 2022 (UTC)

Inspector Lestrade edit
Hi there, I saw you removed my edit on the page about Inspector Lestrade on the grounds that it was "unreliable". I was wondering why you considered it to be unreliable. Burakalp34 (talk) 15:38, 12 November 2022 (UTC)


 * @Burakalp34 Hi, on Wikipedia we use reliable sources, and wikis are not generally considered reliable, as they are user-generated. Poirot09 (talk) 20:01, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Well you can't really provide a more reliable source for video games Burakalp34 (talk) 20:02, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
 * @Burakalp34 If you can't find a source then it shouldn't be on Wikipedia. Poirot09 (talk) 20:13, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

HBP
Please explain your recent revert of the HP and the Half Blood Prince article. Are you reverting because you did not agree with the edit summary? 73.120.200.173 (talk) 20:38, 29 January 2023 (UTC)


 * I have already explained in my edit summary. We do not avoid spoilers on Wikipedia. Poirot09 (talk) 20:48, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
 * And the new edit did not have spoilers apparently? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:249:8700:7790:0:0:0:88A (talk) 22:22, 29 January 2023 (UTC)

NCT DREAM: The Dream Show 2 Tour Page
Hello! We are NCTzens, can you make a wikipedia page about NCT DREAM: The Dream Show 2 Tour? They are currently doing a World Tour and it's so nice to see it with their own Wikipedia Page for their tour. I saw it's in Glitch Mode Page but I think it's better if it has their own page. Thank you so much from NCTzens~ ♡ 112.204.219.167 (talk) 08:19, 7 February 2023 (UTC)


 * Sure, I already planned to make one after I finish a project I have going on, but it might take some time. Poirot09 (talk) 14:12, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

Sanderson Bibliography
Hey while the effort on attempting to rewrite the bibliography section for the author Brandon Sanderson is commendable, I’d recommend not doing that if you’re only going to make it more annoying and/or difficult to read. You do not seem to understand how well the last system worked so take this as a suggestion to revert it. 132.147.145.51 (talk) 18:44, 8 February 2023 (UTC)


 * @132.147.145.51 I'm sorry but I literally can't imagine how the last system worked better. It was basically wholly unsourced, had mini sections and violated a bunch of MOS and WP guidelines. If you're just going to criticize without suggesting any improvements do not even bother coming here. You should also check how Wikipedia works, we do not write articles based on personal taste here. Poirot09 (talk) 19:35, 8 February 2023 (UTC)
 * I am not the same person as above. Just want to make it clear that your attempt to rewrite the entire bibliography page is not a great one. The way you have written it now, it is totally unreadable and it is basically just a long list. The fandom has reacted negatively to your rewrite, and we want it back the way it was. If the sources are important to you, can you add them to the version that actually was good? The sections was what made the wiki page readable. Jeksonofnone (talk) 19:31, 12 February 2023 (UTC)
 * @Jeksonofnone Do you just prefer the sub-sections? If that's the issue, sure I think most of them can be restored, just be clear next time. Poirot09 (talk) 19:38, 12 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes, I would want it back the way it was. At least the general format. It worked really well the way it was. I woul also want to keep the upcoming schedule and announced projects. It is not speculative, it is an overview of what he has said he will write. This link shows part of the frustration in the fandom https://www.reddit.com/r/brandonsanderson/comments/10wkhtm/brandon_sanderson_bibliography_wikipedia_change/ Jeksonofnone (talk) 20:53, 12 February 2023 (UTC)
 * @Jeksonofnone I don't really care about fandom matters TBH, but I will say that I did not implement the adult/ya format, it was already there. The categorization could be removed in my opinion. See WP:CRYSTALBALL for the upcoming projects ("Individual scheduled or expected future events should be included only if the event is notable and almost certain to take place") so things like Defiant and novels already set for release should be kept on the bibliography page, while vague projects should be kept on fandom spaces or, if discussed in depth, on the series' Wikipedia page. Poirot09 (talk) 21:13, 12 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Ok, thanks for dividing up the sections again. But who are you then, if not a fan yourself? Why do you edit the Sanderson Bibliography?
 * The crystal ball guideline does not seem to forbid a section of announced projects/plans? I cannot see that the crystal ball section fits that well either? It seems to regulate completely fair things like future theoretical developments, upcoming events we cannot know will happen or not. IMO it is encyclopaedic knowledge (and of general interest) what projects BS has announced. It also gives the everyday man a good overview of the worlds/plans. Jeksonofnone (talk) 22:12, 13 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Also can you remove the separation into adult fiction and YA. I understand you did not do it originally, and I agree it would probably be better to remove it completely. As is, it is a bit random. Dark one should be it’s own sub-section, and Rithmatist can/should go under “other works”. The “other works” should probably come last on the page. Jeksonofnone (talk) 22:36, 13 February 2023 (UTC)
 * @Jeksonofnone I am a fan, I just don't like to interact with fandom. I don't think the "upcoming" projects should be added since none of the projects Sanderson has announced are currently in the works or have a set date of release. Some are just ideas and he might even decide to scrap some of them, as he said in this year's state of sanderson. However, I think that Stormlight's planned future books and Mistborn's upcoming Era Three could be included in prose in the Cosmere section, since that seems pretty much set in stone. Dark One atm doesn't need its own subsection with just two entries, when Sanderson publishes more books it could be split. Poirot09 (talk) 17:31, 14 February 2023 (UTC)

You removed my correction without any consultation
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brividi

You use number 2 on the tip for charts list https://dutchcharts.nl/weekchart.asp?cat=st&date=20220521&year=2022

You see the song did not hit the real charts https://dutchcharts.nl/showitem.asp?interpret=Mahmood+%26+Blanco&titel=Brividi&cat=s Johnvandeput (talk) 21:33, 25 February 2023 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Half a Soul
Hello! Your submission of Half a Soul at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) at your nomination's entry and respond there at your earliest convenience. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know!  Naruto love hinata 5 (talk · contributions) 04:02, 12 March 2023 (UTC)

Hello, are you still planning to pursue this nomination?  Naruto love hinata 5 (talk · contributions) 13:17, 16 March 2023 (UTC)


 * @Narutolovehinata5 Hi, yes, I've been busy IRL but I'll fix it in the next few days. Poirot09 (talk) 13:53, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

NewJeans 'Get Up' US Album Sales
Hi, I was just curious, for Get Up's US album sales you put 101,500 sales which accounts only for pure sales. I am relatively new to this and I noticed that other discographies put full sales ( pure + SEA/TEA ) instead of only pure. Is there any reason why you put only pure sales instead of all sales combined? Z7ph.yr (talk) 21:28, 2 August 2023 (UTC)


 * @Z7ph.yr Hi! Not sure what discographies you've seen, but from what I remember most discographies I've seen only count pure sales (ex. BTS and Blackpink), though I might be wrong since I don't often edit discographies. Poirot09 (talk) 21:39, 2 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Oh, that's a bit funny because I checked Blackpink's discography before asking and it was sales combined. . Anyways, it's okay, I'm sure it doesn't matter much. Z7ph.yr (talk) 22:27, 2 August 2023 (UTC)


 * @Z7ph.yr Blackpink's articles is not sales combined though? It included only pure sales before your edit, which was reverted.

NewJeans Code
The spelling is simply a typo by SBS, same like on the Coca Cola web page for them. If you look at Amazon, Viki, AppleTV or Kocowa, it is always "NewJeans Code in Busan". And Kocowa is a joint venture SBS is part of. Christian140 (talk) 05:27, 7 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I re-checked other streaming sites after and reverted the edit. Poirot09 (talk) 08:25, 7 August 2023 (UTC)

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Business Proposal
Hi!

I hope you are well.

I was just reading the Business Proposal page that you have previously edited and I thought that there was opportunity to expand on the section 'critical response.' While most of the negative section mentions plot, we think this could be expanded on by mentioning people acting out of character.(source: https://readysteadycut.com/2022/03/29/business-proposal-season-1-episode-10-recap-quite-a-predicament/) We think this could bring more information and value to the page while adding an extra resource.

Many thanks 2.98.32.49 (talk) 15:44, 22 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi! Unfortunately, I don't think Ready Steady Cut is a reliable source. See WP:Perennial sources and WikiProject Korea/Reliable sources for other sources you could use to expand the section. Poirot09 (talk) 11:29, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

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Peter Davis (musician)
The rare video footage external link you removed from the Peter Davis (musician) page was of deceased historical figures. Please explain.

Rudypoo Rudypoo (talk) 02:10, 1 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi @Rudypoo, see WP:ELNEVER. Copyrighted content should not be linked unless it is made available by the owner. Poirot09 (talk) 19:40, 4 November 2023 (UTC)