User talk:Pol9

Please read WP:V where it clearly states that the threshold for inclusion into an encyclopedia is "verifiability, not truth."  Radio Kirk   talk to me  16:50, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

Avril Lavigne
The pdf is a copyvio copy of something, so I've reverted you (the website itself wouldn't be a reliable source for this either). If you can find the original and it very very definitely meets WP:RS use that, but it really does have to be a good source or it would violate WP:BLP. Dougweller (talk) 21:42, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

I'll try to find it... Pol9 (talk) 22:32, 14 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Please remember thatn in a BLP, you cannot publish any assumptions, even if based off a reliable source. The magazine source you provited only states that Avril stopped using Ritalin and resumed at the age of 15.  For all we know, she stopped taking them at the age of 16.  The source does not elaborate on that and so neither can we.  The source only says she continued to take them in her teenage years (15), and so that is all we can use here.  ~ [  Scott M. Howard  ] ~ [  Talk  ]:[  Contribs  ] ~  23:32, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

The source does not say anything that implies that she has stopped. The age of 15 is the age she had when she left school. Saying "in her teenage years" would imply that it's exclusively in her teenage years, which is not stated at all. We'd rather leave it blank than say this. Pol9 (talk) 23:35, 14 January 2013 (UTC)
 * The source does not say she left school completely at 15, nor does it specifically say she continued the medication. The source only says she resumed her medication at age 15 after being kicked out of three schools.  The article does not say she did not continue schooling, nor does it say she stopped or continued her medication.  There cannot be any assumptions based on sources in a BLP, only print exactly what it says, not what it implies.  ~ [  Scott M. Howard  ] ~ [  Talk  ]:[  Contribs  ] ~  23:40, 14 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Avril did leave school at 15, though. I wrote the age instead of "during her teenage years".Pol9 (talk) 23:43, 14 January 2013 (UTC)
 * What reliable source do you have that says she left school at 15? For all we, or the everyday wiki visitor, "kicked out of school 3 times" could simply mean suspended, not expelled.  ~ [  Scott M. Howard  ] ~ [  Talk  ]:[  Contribs  ] ~  23:44, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

Is the way I just wrote it better? — Preceding unsigned comment added by pol9 (talk • contribs) 23:50, January 14, 2013‎
 * Yes, I can live with that, except the present tense used in a past-tense sentence (and paragraph). I've changed the wording to say "was" instead of the quibble over "had been" and "has been".  Just remember in the future that during a dispute, you should propose a change within the current discussion.  Making changes to an article during an "argument" might continue an editwar.  ~ [  Scott M. Howard  ] ~ [  Talk  ]:[  Contribs  ] ~  23:54, 14 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Just FYI, Avril dropped out when she was 15 : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqUayZ78j-U . Pol9 (talk) 23:57, 14 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Great, and that is a source you can use if you want to make a separate reference to dropping out of school, which is what you could not do with the previous source we were discussing. I was never debating the truth of whether or not she dropped out or not, I was debating on the fact that the source provided said nothing of the kind.  Now that you have found a source, you are able to use that somewhere.  My only point in all of this is that you have to "stick to the source".  Don't do any "original research" or "connect the dots", especially in a Biography of a Living Person. ;)  ~ [  Scott M. Howard  ] ~ [  Talk  ]:[  Contribs  ] ~  00:04, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

Talkback
Dougweller (talk) 12:06, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

BLP violations - only warning
A number of your recent edits appear to be violations of WP:BLP. You absolutely cannot claim a living person has a mental disorder without ironclad sourcing. Comments about hyperactivity has a child does not mean a person has ADHD. Any claims of mental illness should be claims made by the person themselves.  Eve rgr een Fir  (talk) Please &#123;&#123;re&#125;&#125; 07:19, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Alright, sorry. Was just reverting a number of edits from an IP.  Most of the claims weren't from me.  Dont rush conclusions.  Thank you. Pol9 (talk) 09:26, 4 March 2016 (UTC)