User talk:Polaritytherapie

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Speedy deletion nomination of Randolph Stone


A tag has been placed on Randolph Stone, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G4 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page appears to be a repost of material that was previously deleted following a deletion debate,. Under the specified criteria, where a page has substantially identical content to that of a page deleted after debate, and any changes in the content do not address the reasons for which the material was previously deleted, it may be deleted at any time.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be removed without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. If the page is deleted, and you wish to retrieve the deleted material for future reference or improvement, then please contact the deleting administrator, or if you have already done so, you can place a request here. McGeddon (talk) 12:35, 9 March 2016 (UTC)

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Nomination of Randolph Stone for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Randolph Stone is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Articles for deletion/Randolph Stone& until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. McGeddon (talk) 13:44, 9 March 2016 (UTC)


 * You asked for the deletion to be "held" in an edit summary, but this isn't how the process works. If you can show that reliable secondary sources exist, you should simply mention this in the deletion discussion at Articles for deletion/Randolph Stone (2nd nomination). --McGeddon (talk) 14:15, 9 March 2016 (UTC)

Randolph Stone
You need to show that Stone has "received significant coverage in multiple published secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject" for the article to meet WP:BASIC. I'm not seeing any such sources in the current version of the article. --McGeddon (talk) 12:07, 10 March 2016 (UTC)
 * To help clarify the above, you need to present direct coverage of Randolph Stone in neutral sources, for example published scholarly journals, newspapers, magazines, books (not written by Stone), and similar sources. Kindzmarauli (talk) 15:56, 10 March 2016 (UTC)


 * You are welcome. I suspect he's a notable enough person, the trick is just in establishing it. Is he an important figure in India? Indian-language sources are also acceptable, provided they satisfy WP:RS. Kindzmarauli (talk) 20:55, 10 March 2016 (UTC)

Username violation
Your username is the same as that of a website you added to an article in this dif.

Welcome to Wikipedia. I noticed that your username, "Polaritytherapie", may not comply with our username policy. Please note that you may not use a username that represents the name of a company, group, organization, product, or website. Examples of usernames that are not allowed include "XYZ Company", "MyWidgetsUSA.com", and "Foobar Museum of Art". However, you are invited to use a username that contains such a name if it identifies you personally, such as "Jack Smith at XYZ Company", "Mark at WidgetsUSA", or "FoobarFan87".

Please also note that Wikipedia does not allow accounts to be shared by multiple people, and that you may not advocate for or promote any company, group, organization, product, or website, regardless of your username. Moreover, I recommend that you read our conflict of interest guideline. If you are a single individual and are willing to contribute to Wikipedia in an unbiased manner, please create a new account or request a change of username, by completing this form, that complies with our username policy. If you believe that your username does not violate our policy, please leave a note here explaining why. Thank you. Jytdog (talk) 16:10, 11 March 2016 (UTC)


 * If you need help with this, please let me know. You must fix your username.  if you need help just leave a note here, just below this. Jytdog (talk) 16:30, 11 March 2016 (UTC)

Conflict of interest in Wikipedia
Hi Polaritytherapie I work on conflict of interest issues here in Wikipedia. Your edits to date are all about polarity therapy and topics related to that. I'm giving you notice of our Conflict of Interest guideline and Terms of Use, and will have some comments and requests for you below.

Hello, Polaritytherapie. We welcome your contributions, but if you have an external relationship with the people, places or things you have written about on Wikipedia, you may have a conflict of interest (COI). Editors with a COI may be unduly influenced by their connection to the topic. See the conflict of interest guideline and FAQ for organizations for more information. In particular, please:


 * avoid editing or creating articles related to you and your circle, your organization, its competitors, projects or products;
 * instead propose changes on the talk pages of affected articles (see the request edit template);
 * when discussing affected articles, disclose your COI (see WP:DISCLOSE);
 * avoid linking to the Wikipedia article or website of your organization in other articles (see WP:SPAM);
 * exercise great caution so that you do not violate Wikipedia's content policies.

In addition, you must disclose your employer, client, and affiliation with respect to any contribution for which you receive, or expect to receive, compensation (see WP:PAID).

Please familiarize yourself with relevant policies and guidelines, especially those pertaining to neutral point of view, sourcing and autobiographies. Thank you.

Comments and requests
Wikipedia is a widely-used reference work and managing conflict of interest is essential for ensuring the integrity of Wikipedia and retaining the public's trust in it. As in academia, COI is managed here in two steps - disclosure and a form of peer review. Please note that there is no bar to being part of the Wikipedia community if you want to be involved in articles where you have a conflict of interest;; there are just some things we ask you to do (and if you are paid, some things you need to do).

Disclosure is the most important, and first, step. While I am not asking you to disclose your identity (anonymity is strictly protecting by our WP:OUTING policy) would you please disclose if you have some connection with people or organizations that administer or promote polarity therapy? You can answer how ever you wish (giving personally identifying information or not), but if there is a connection, please disclose it. After you respond (and you can just reply below), perhaps we can talk a bit about editing Wikipedia, to give you some more orientation to how this place works. Please reply here - I am watching this page. Thanks! Jytdog (talk) 16:29, 11 March 2016 (UTC)

Notice of Conflict of interest noticeboard discussion
This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion at Conflict of interest/Noticeboard regarding a possible conflict of interest incident in which you may be involved. Thank you. Jytdog (talk) 17:43, 11 March 2016 (UTC)

Disclosure
Yes, as my nickname suggests I have some understanding on Polarity and Stone. And no, I don't receive any money whatsoever or other benefits to do this nor does anyone else I know personally for all I know. The deletion of the article on Randolph Stone would be no personal loss to me apart from the time I put in. It seems I have to accept any outcome as Wikipedia's version of objectivity since I've got the ball rolling. This is all very new (I joined Wikipedia only a few days ago) and interesting to me. Polaritytherapie (talk) 19:58, 11 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks for replying. That is not really an answer, though.  What is your connection to the field or professional organizations, or the people who run the polaritytherapy.org website?   You do not have to disclose your name but we do need to understand your external relationships, to have a meaningful discussion. This for example was a beautiful example of disclosure - that person also chose to disclose their name, but they could have just said "I am an executive with Polarity Association Switzerland" and that would have been sufficient.  Would you please disclose your external relationships?  Thanks.  If you have just received the therapy and found it useful or are otherwise just interested in it and have no relationship with the field, please just say so.   Jytdog (talk) 20:11, 11 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Saying he/she doesn't have to disclose their name and then passive-aggressively linking to someone else who did is dishonest. Polaritytherapie, I leave it to you to determine what about yourself you'd care to share (frankly, I found the response to be perfectly acceptable), but I do not under ANY circumstances recommend telling the people at this website your real name. Anyone suggesting you do otherwise, either directly or indirectly, does not have your best interests at heart. Kindzmarauli (talk) 22:58, 11 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Polaritytherapie, I look forward to your response. Thanks. I am absolutely not asking you to reveal your real name. Kindzmarauli is absolutely distorting what I have asked you. Please see above if you need any clarification about what I am asking, and where I specifically said that I am not asking you to reveal your name - only connections, as I did just above here.   Jytdog (talk) 23:01, 11 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Polaritytherapie, I do look forward to your response. Thanks. Jytdog (talk) 00:50, 14 March 2016 (UTC)

Final Statement
I am taking the opportunity of recapping my perception of what happened so far around the article on Randolph Stone and of making my final statement. I am a learning by doing person and there certainly are many others on Wikipedia as well. I have studied existing Wikipedia articles and read in the suggestions for new Authors/Editors (but not memorized it to the last letter) before less than a week ago I posted my first article. I have not read and studied the complete system of rules previously. How many of you have done so? Having a basic understanding on what was required I had a go trusting on the support and help of more experienced users (and have experienced some of it) - just as I’m used to grant when I can. In good faith I chose my nickname Polaritytherapie, believing this was revealing enough about my knowledge about Polarity / Stone in combination with my obvious activities on here. I have learnt otherwise in the meantime. But before anyone started inquiring about my person there was a Speedy deletion nomination of Randolph Stone in no time because in 2012 apparently an article on Stone by a different editor had been deleted. That I learned by the Speedy deletion nomination (McGeddon) itself. It was averted just to be renewed by McGeddon. I found his remarks very helpful however in improving the article while my editing apparently soon became suspicious in itself. Now I had to read more thoroughly these regulations, which took some time. While this kind of thinking is not very familiar to me, it does make sense. I learned how Wikipedia sees bias and COI and restrain myself to one citation from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Conflict_of_interest#Declaring_an_interest “A COI can exist in the absence of bias, and bias regularly exists in the absence of a COI.” Jytdog wants connections, connections, connections. For this you have been looking forward, then: I am a scientist and had no special inclination towards Energy medicine for most of my life. But at a time I had serious health issues and academic medicine had little help to offer. I was open and desperate enough to give Energy medicine a try and experienced healing. At this point no one is in need of scientific evidence. As a scientist I know that science including scientific medicine are subject to paradigms that change over time. They are as little eternal as are the Wikipedia rules. I am still a supporter of academic medicine and science, I just know merits and limitations of them and of Energy medicine as well. I am in favor of combining their respective assets when it makes sense. No one in the discussion has given the possibility a single thought, that persons who have nothing to lose (and those who do for that matter) may profit from Energy medicine by means of pain relief, consolation and/or improved health including healing. When I put on the article on Randolph Stone I intended not to bias anyone with such statements; whatever that means or doesn’t mean in terms of the local policy here. That’s the last bit of information you get from me as your further proceedings or what you make of it are meaningless to me. Now is the last time I’m logged on Wikipedia, then I will destroy the password (I don’t remember it). Soon my informative though short stay here will be nothing more than a memory of one of the most Kafkaesque episodes in my life. Your hunches, Jytdog, of my taking money for Wikipedia work, of a connection to the American Polarity Association - what else did you bring up - are wrong. The money-accusation was even objectively insulting. I hope your personality structure allows you not to answer me on my final statement; apart from that act as you need to act, as long as it complies to your local rules. I would find it nice to see an article on Stone to survive on Wikipedia in any more or less meaningful way, it needn’t be mine, Voceditenore and The Master have made suggestions acceptable to me, Kindzmarauli anyway. If the article dies or is reverted into its opposite, nothing is lost. You are in control of your own little world here, but not of the future. I thank for every single constructive contribution to the article about Randolph Stone and there have been quite a few. Best wishes, good health to everyone with and without Energy medicine and I hope the atmosphere on Wikipedia will improve again in the future. Polaritytherapie (talk) 14:23, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
 * My apologies for jumping the gun and assuming that you actually had a COI.  That was an error and I apologize for this.  When people edit as you did, there are generally two reasons.  They either narrowly have an actual COI, or they are an advocate.  (COI is just a subclass of advocacy).  If I had gone slower, what would have unfolded, is that I would have given you the opportunity to respond.  You would have explained that you were treated with this and found that it had an amazing effect for you.   And it would have been clear that you are here to advocate for polarity therapy, and I would have advised you to read our essay on WP:ADVOCACY, the WP:SOAPBOX policy, the WP:NPOV policy, our sourcing guidelines WP:RS and WP:MEDRS, and to be careful to use independent sourcing and really strive to be neutral, and that would have been when where we left it.  Again, I apologize and will strike the claims about COI in various places.   Best of luck to you. Jytdog (talk) 20:42, 14 March 2016 (UTC)