User talk:Pollinosisss/Archive 2

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 * Demography - is one that the death project is about a 1/3 i think - I think the other two are geography and sociology - what do you think? (if we are trying to fit with currently existing wikipedia projects that seem to make sense that is) SatuSuro 02:19, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure what you have in mind by demographics of death. Things related to life expectancies? Pollinosisss (talk) 02:21, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh dear - when i saw you blnk the death tag at the demography category page - I was considering the category is shareable with sociology and geography and death project tags for the one category. Demography as a subject includes death rates and death as a statistical certainty - also it creeps into epidemiology as well - where patterns of death exist - what I was trying to open was a consideration of some of the issues of where issues of death affects categories that are not entirely focused on death - I think I will try to think this through and take it to the project talk page - sorry for cluttering your talk page like this - cheers SatuSuro 02:27, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
 * No problem. I think I have a better understanding of what you mean now. I'll be sure to comment on a more centralized post on this issue. Pollinosisss (talk) 02:31, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
 * My problem really - I am trying to think through the stuff aloud - maybe I should start my own sub page and rant at it rather than take others time up having to read my thoughts about the issues of tagging...sigh SatuSuro 02:45, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
 * wow - impressive.SatuSuro 03:11, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

BTW I have been rather rude at one of your tags from last year http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category_talk%3ARoman_Catholic_teaching_orders&action=history - the catholic project has been sort of in operation for a while - and although John Carter in all his great wisdom? has been tagging christianity with the RC subtag - I tend to be biased and tag specifically with the roman catholic tag - no offence intended - I made the comment and then found you had tagged - I do hope sufficient grovelling and apologies will get me off just this once (I'll check the history first next time I let loose) SatuSuro 14:19, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
 * No offence taken. It's not a problem. I actually agree with you. I'm not sure what I was thinking. -Pollinosisss (talk) 21:14, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
 * My problem is when I was being given quite salient advice by one of the handlers of the medicine project categories (they are quite particular over there) I was indicated that a particular tag is better than another for their bot - ie the shortcut tag was what their bot used - I have a horrible feeling that somebody has not tweaked the catholic template sufficiently - and that we might have up to 3 diff tags usable - that is wikiproject catholicism, and projectcatholicism are the two i remember off hand - the thing is like the history project - it looks like no one is likely to run a bot in the near future (although they should) - so if we get a message from someone we have nver known about telling us we are using the wrong tag - hey at least we know that bots can interchange one tag for another quicker than we can :) SatuSuro 00:52, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh dear - I now have ventured into the greek underworld where I think you might be far more adept at knowing the correct 'other projects' to add to the tags apart from death - apologies - again SatuSuro 06:02, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Also we now have a portal to do Portal:Death SatuSuro 07:29, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I repeat myself here a bit - Wow - impressive - thank you! SatuSuro 11:42, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you -Pollinosisss (talk) 11:54, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Do we need something like the category tree /topics/ list in the right column perhaps? SatuSuro 11:48, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I had accidentally commented-out the category list. It should be back now.-Pollinosisss (talk) 11:54, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
 * When ever you are ready ( i have heaps of questions re the portal and its management - you are most welcome to ignore me for the moment (as I pollute your talk page so regularly) but just say when and I will start - SatuSuro 14:00, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm ready. Ask away. -Pollinosisss (talk) 14:15, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
 * You're kind - thanks - apologies for the length of this - there is no rush


 * 1 - do you think the colour of the text in right column - could be whiter?
 * Do you have in mind the blue text? I don't think the link colour can be changed.


 * 2 - the category of portal - any thoughts or checks - culture/society/person/biology mic/crossover? i am finding the more i look the more confused
 * - as a project death can be multidisciplinary - but I dont think we can place death portal in biology and society
 * Society would seem to be the better fit, but it's by no means perfect. Death touches everything eh?
 * Which is frustrating about the way portals are categorised - maybe we need a part of the portal page showing that we can see a fit with biology and with society


 * 3 - like the lower part of biology portal - death on all the other wikis?
 * - do you think its worth reverse engineering this section and plugging it in? - http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Portal:Biology/Wikimedia&action=edit
 * It's been added.
 * Great - but we gotta do something about colours :(


 * 4 - bibliography - I have been accessing 2x encycs of death from my old uni - do we have a spot i could mention them?
 * 5 do we have enough arts to fill the rotate for feature arts
 * 6 do we have enough piccies for the rotate? ( i have many piccies of graveyards/gravestones after my recent world tour but dont want to download too many yet)
 * The intro box has 2 pics right now, and the "selected picture" box has 2 as well. Is it a good idea to have a rotating picture in the intro? I wasn't sure. I wouldn't mind seeing more pics added to the "selected pictures". A total of 5 or so would make a good start. Should we add pics to any of the other boxes?
 * My understanding for low maintenance problems it is best to have a 5 or 7 number of photos that can cycle through - I might be wrong but
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ars.moriendi.pride.a.jpg looks like another - and the Kelso, scotland gravestone on my user page perhaps :)


 * 7 - tibetan and egyptian book of the dead as part of the rotate arts
 * 8 - greek and roman arts and or piccies?
 * A dying warrior perhaps? or maybe Laocoön and his sons getting killed by snakes.
 * Ohh yes please :)


 * 9 - non western mortuuary/ritual piccies - indian, chinese, japanese - any ideas?
 * 10 - possible links to the biology and culture/society/person portals in some way
 * 11 - forgot - we need a plug for the project!!!

thats a few - apologies for lack of coherency - hope its a few odd items :( SatuSuro 14:24, 9 January 2010 (UTC) Please tell me to go away if its too much !!! - I can always move some of these over to the project talk page rather than harass you good person like this SatuSuro 14:53, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

Colour change
Looks really great - who cares about black - that is much more readable! so impressed by what you have done - thanks !!! SatuSuro 15:51, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

Page format
the blank below the main number one under categories - maybe about related projects - biology, biography, ...? and the bottom right hand corne r and next to it -  maybe about the project and help required? SatuSuro 16:05, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, I managed to put something together. What do you think? -Pollinosisss (talk) 16:52, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Depends on your position - blessings shower you (charistmatic catholic) - karmic debt annulled (tibetan kagyu possible) - may your descendants be as many as the stars (ot as translated by protestant americans) - have a shout on me (alcoholic londoners) - cool and wicked (secular consumers aka my teenagers) - really amazing like wow (aging australian ex hippies) - dahling you did such a nice jobbb (gay sydneysiders) - uckinoath (northern territory truck drivers) - alhumdilullah (syrian taxi drivers) - you can take your pick (mexican assasins) - it could go on and on - sorry i dont know the classic latin version - thanks SatuSuro 03:30, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

Cripes it is getting embarrassing here - I do hope you archive soon :) - and the great work is still happening! Thanks SatuSuro 07:57, 10 January 2010 (UTC)  Thanks I hope that is more comfortable for you too - the project page possibly needs some reverse engineering from other projects on the main page - any thoughts? SatuSuro 08:10, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I had a similar thought. Do you have any suggestions for possible reverse-engineering candidates? -Pollinosisss (talk) 08:18, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Hang on - it may take a few minutes SatuSuro 08:19, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
 * WP:Biography main page looks soul-less and unimaginative; ironically considering its role in death WP:Milhist looks better - I suppose the whole thing of creating the sub pages and creating a structure for follow on users - to make it usable and easy to understand - as we are with death at the moment - small number etc - if we had a project page look as good as the portal - it might just get some interesteed - but to look like the biog page - hmmm SatuSuro 08:26, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah there seems a valid category of jewish cemetary - I am just thinking to myself about starting a category and then possibly an article about chinese cemetaries - where i did my post grad fieldwork they were a severe political issue - odd that wp doesnt have anything about them at all - still thinking though ... I also started the death project assessmnet page but hell its gonna need a lot of work - I think the Australian or Indonesian project might have some good basic model top work from SatuSuro 09:00, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

I've been looking at other project pages. I'm starting to get some ideas. -Pollinosisss (talk) 09:04, 10 January 2010 (UTC) Well considering how well you guard your identity (and I dont blame you) - I am not sure what to say after my last outburst - so I'll just say - its looking great! - I am very impressed we are up there with the best - just wish I had more material to feed it -so to speakSatuSuro 13:33, 10 January 2010 (UTC) User:Pollinosisss/WikiProject Death/Participants - wow I think the indonesian, arabic, russian and bar-room expressions were going to come out for that one - Ill stay with invented italian - brilliantissimo! :) SatuSuro 13:38, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Many thanks for the thanks. :)
 * Should I go ahead and replace our project page with the one I've been working on then? -Pollinosisss (talk) 13:40, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes SatuSuro 13:40, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Hell hope my tagging the pages didnt stuff anything up SatuSuro 13:54, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Looks like everything moved over ok. -Pollinosisss (talk) 13:56, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
 * On main page we need to have a sort of bleeding obvious 'want to help' para or box - leading them to participants - and we might need to have an extra 'to-do' or 'how can you help' page or (box on the front main page again) just so its not like a closed shop :) SatuSuro 13:58, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
 * My talk page for yet another issue - cheers SatuSuro 14:12, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Maybe - my concern was for it be in the box with the others at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:21st-century_executions - if we can get it into the project template as well - whoopee! SatuSuro 14:38, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I was trying to remember where I had seen the little boxes before. Category pages totally slipped my mind. -Pollinosisss (talk) 14:39, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Hehe - with what youve done for the project we'll have to create a death project barnstar just for you - you dont have to remember anything :) SatuSuro 14:43, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
 * A death star? I have to say, that sounds really cool. -Pollinosisss (talk) 14:45, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
 * OMG - barnstars were awards for users who earned respect from fellow wikipedians for their hardwork - not so many around these days - but death star - i like too - must investigate further SatuSuro 14:49, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

Sample only from satusuros archive :(
So I have met him :( = but these templates are very modifiable - maybe you can make a death project star? SatuSuro 14:55, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Perhaps someone at WikiProject Wikipedia Awards can help? -Pollinosisss (talk) 15:01, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Awards_by_WikiProject - down the 'D's - I suppose SatuSuro 15:06, 10 January 2010 (UTC)


 * BTW - templates page - needs headers as separators and more explanation imho - just imagine those who know nothing SatuSuro 15:19, 10 January 2010 (UTC) (UTC)
 * You're absolutely right. Pollinosisss (talk) 15:17, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

On project talk page
I think after all this (ok youve done all the work) I need to do a birth portal to balance my karma on all of this :( SatuSuro 09:26, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
 * You could go and plant some trees maybe? -Pollinosisss (talk) 09:34, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Hahah or exercise my jack russell terrors - yes - but hey having repeated myself endlessly - you have done an amazing job - I reckon we are moving close to feature portal and project status before we have even really started - I mean there are so many sub pages we could add (well maybe not as many as milhist) - and the idea I had about a year ago after seeing GO creating a myriad of death categories - and I could not believe that wikipedia did not have a project or portal on it (ok monty python and the beatles maybe - but no death?) - so we need a very big ✅ - even we could go on endlessly from this point in tweaking. Thanks SatuSuro 09:40, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Seriously though, if all this death stuff is bugging you right now, by all means work on some other things. -Pollinosisss (talk) 09:37, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Nah we have hardly started :) SatuSuro 09:40, 11 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Please feel free to modify my attempt at complicating the issue SatuSuro 07:45, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
 * We'll need an archive page at the project talk page too :) SatuSuro 07:47, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I'll set up automated archival in a moment.
 * Well, I think it's been set up properly. We should know within a day or so.

Assesments
Are you leaving the bottom part untagged for any particular reason? If you dont mind me asking? SatuSuro 09:49, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I find it hard to assess the importance at times. I've been more or less ignoring it for now...... -Pollinosisss (talk) 09:55, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Thats fine - I think we need an assesment sub page and a very careful distinction between articles that are purely death arts - and those shared with other projects SatuSuro 12:05, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

Decision time
It is constructed - I had put it in the self and society part of one list - but we need to put a category at the base of the main portal page - any ideas? It is beyond 'under-cnstructin' almost ready for nominating for featured portal SatuSuro 13:45, 12 January 2010 (UTC) To be honest I am really dissapointed with the inconsistent mess at the bottom of Biography portal and Mind and Brain in the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Contents/Portals#People_and_self - I would have hoped for some better example.. anyways we probably need some quiet reading - what better than: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:What_is_a_featured_portal%3F - cheers SatuSuro 13:51, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Are we allowed to put it in more than one category? If we have to pick one, I still say Society, but that really doesn't cover the health aspects. -Pollinosisss (talk) 14:03, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
 * If the multidisciplinary project thing carried over into portal terriory things would be so sweet - but some very dumb bunny obviously who has neither experience as a librarian/cataloguer/ or thinker created some very linear discrete sections - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Portal/Categorizing is close to useless - I honestly am at odds with the portal system in parts - but I think the best bet is to put it in ''People and Society' at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Portal/Directory - adn then work out the processes after that SatuSuro 14:13, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I agree with you. -Pollinosisss (talk) 14:14, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

✅ but needs a ce edit fixed SatuSuro 14:21, 12 January 2010 (UTC) Congrats btw - 5 edits away from 16,000 - well done - considering how many have gone to help the Death project and Portal - amazing stuff! SatuSuro 15:00, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks :) -Pollinosisss (talk) 15:45, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Hey thank you - never thought it could be done so quick - SatuSuro 15:54, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I think after all this (ok still going for quite a bit yet) we might have the temerity to call ourselves thanatologists of sorts SatuSuro 16:03, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Indeed! - Pollinosisss (talk) 00:21, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?namespace=&target=Wikipedia%3AWikiProject+Death&tagfilter=&title=Special%3ARecentChangesLinked - you may already be aware of this way of checking - but I have it on my user page for the Indonesian project - and there is a good idea that  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:AlexNewArtBot  this bot get signed up to as well - but hey all in good time SatuSuro 23:51, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
 * AlexNewArtBot should prove to be quite useful in the long-run once properly set up. -Pollinosisss (talk) 00:21, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Watching your contributions history - I do hope you get to sleep, eat, etc - its beginning to look a bit of a heavy one there - take care! SatuSuro 09:45, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I've had a lot on my mind recently, it's been keeping me up at odd hours. -Pollinosisss (talk) 10:43, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Sleep deprivation is ok at the keyboard, but in some real life situations it can be v dangerous - take care! SatuSuro 12:05, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
 * 12 hours and you havent been on - trust all is ok SatuSuro 12:43, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
 * All is well. I probably wont be on for the next few days though. -Pollinosisss (talk) 17:57, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Good - please to hear that - I must apologise - I spoke for you at the Death Talk page re image for the template - saying youd be off for a few days SatuSuro 02:24, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
 * That's ok. -Pollinosisss (talk) 06:08, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

Just FYI
See here Template talk:WikiProject Death ..Love the new Portal..add a ridge and a Wikiproject link box!!..Buzzzsherman (talk) 18:50, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks -Pollinosisss (talk) 06:08, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

Requested moves
Should be at Cfd -shall we put em up there as a joint proposal - usually not the talk page of an article - but actually at cfd....SatuSuro 06:45, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I was following the instructions on Requested_moves. -Pollinosisss (talk) 06:53, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Hey looks good - I usually seem to end up at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion - lets hope it works within reasonable time SatuSuro 07:09, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
 * BTW - do you realise your 'on x' arts are challengable on the basis of the lack of WP:RS?  it would be a pity to see somebody go and challenge them - you need to fix the problem - online or written sources to verify for WP:N and WP:V issues if anyone should challenge - cheers SatuSuro 03:12, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I hadn't really thought about it.... The articles are certainly notable. I'll have to add some sources at some point. -Pollinosisss (talk) 03:24, 21 January 2010 (UTC)


 * The move has happened - just now - assassinations are now consistent - SatuSuro 15:14, 27 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Oh wow. I had begun to think it wasn't going to happen. -Pollinosisss (talk) 15:44, 27 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Same here - so there is consistency in one small corner of the project :| - we have been followed by a non talking australian editor on the new sub lists of cemeteries - the examples of what the ed has done - might be a good example - adding the 'lists' sub cats... there are some dodgy marginal categories in some country lists - where I have started and am not sure - pity you dont have email enabled - if you create a gmail account with your wikipedia name - you dont have to identify yourself in any way if you dont want, there are a few death project issues I would prefer - but as geniac more or less insisted on wiki only discussion - I figure there must be a big number about off wiki talks. But hey no big deal if you would prefer not to... I will just have to be a bit more circumspect and allusive perhaps - if I wasnt already SatuSuro 15:51, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Anyways In western australia its time to hit the sack - catch you later - you are most welcome to email me via the user draw down column on my talk page - e-mail user - but if you have any hesitation I have no problem with that at all SatuSuro 16:04, 27 January 2010 (UTC)


 * My email is enabled (Special:EmailUser/Pollinosisss) -Pollinosisss (talk) 16:02, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Roger, over and out SatuSuro 16:07, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh well the sleep of the innocent has passed - will try a diatribe now SatuSuro 23:45, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Hard to know whats happening I thought I sent havent had a reply SatuSuro 01:07, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
 * You should have gotten a reply now. -Pollinosisss (talk) 01:13, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
 * ✅ catch you later SatuSuro 01:18, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

Cemeteries article and list of cemeteries
Hi now I have tasmanian trains partially out of my system for a while I was considering tackling the two above mentioned in the next couple of days depending on real life - I think the cemeteries are almost (dread I think of the term) taskforce of the death project to get up to scratch - the huge see also section is the cemeteries article is not alphabetical, etc etc - good to see the steady plod - cheers SatuSuro 00:28, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I'd be more than willing to help you deal with the articles in question. I may be a little distracted for the next week or two though. -Pollinosisss (talk) 18:09, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah real life might do the same for me - I think it might (the big list) splitting up into country lists - might be the only way to go SatuSuro 23:43, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

The really big problem is protocol - going to each country project (if it exists) and stating that now there is a death project - at the death project page that we have considered it too big and unmamangaeable and wait for comment (or maybe we just go ahead seing that it passes the duck text so easily (ie looks like a duck quacks like a duck etc) ie too long too big and problematic as is.

I do hope no one wants to go for afd - as it still has use - but simply as a redirect to specific country lists... the more i think about it the more it feels like a lot of very hard slogging work to do each country list etc etc... SatuSuro 00:55, 21 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I suppose this whole thing is a bit of a longterm project. -Pollinosisss (talk) 01:01, 21 January 2010 (UTC)


 * I am thinking a country a day sort of thing - (1) technically checking country for whether they already have a list (wow if they did that would make some thing very much easier) (2) going to project if it exists) explaining what is happening (3) making a new list if necessary by copying over  (4) inevitable idiosyncratic issue tidy up  (5) cleaning main list and putting embedded no-wiki message - 'please do not add cemeteries here'  (6) keeping a tab of what is cleaned up at a new death project sub page - cemetery inventory (7) returning activity to philosophy/tasmanian trains to keep a sane perspectivve on it all :( SatuSuro 01:10, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

Bosnian War
I have a question for you. Have you added the wikiproject to 2010 Haiti earthquake? All of the articles on recent murders? I don't think you should because this is not appropriate. It is also not appropriate to add it to recent events in the Bosnian War. Maybe if there was an article entitled deaths in the Bosnian War or similar then this would be approriate, but not to every event where people lost loved ones. The wikiproject death banner design also makes it inappropriate for these articles. Polargeo (talk) 06:25, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Hello Polargeo, I have not been tagging natural disasters or articles about wars since these are beyond the scope of the Death project. I have been tagging articles about massacres though. Is this what you are referring to? -Pollinosisss (talk) 16:56, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

I disagree with polargeo completely - he has reverted 16 or so massacre articles which had death tags - the point is the death project deals where there has been death - the editor has a stated interest in the Bosnian war and by what is written above seems to have POV as to whether death project tags are appropriate - that hardly seems a way to clarify the scope of the death project - or whether there was something about Bosnian massacres different from similar events in history. I would think a third party preferably an admin should look at this as reverting tags on the basis of WP:IDONTLIKETHIS is not a good sign for death tagging SatuSuro 23:30, 21 January 2010 (UTC)


 * I would be supportive if you had only tagged an article on death or mass graves. However, many of these are only classed as massacres because someone on wikipedia has decided they are massacres, backed up by a couple of news stories. The nomenclature of most of these articles his highly political and people are still very bitter about these incidents. There is absolutely no reason to tag these articles and not articles that have a vast amount more deaths such as natural disasters, you give no reasonable explanation other than that is what a fairly small wikiproject (Death) has decided, if you can decide that you can decide not to tag these. The Bosnian War was very recent. There are many many relatives still around who will see these articles. This is not a massacre of thousands in the second world war. Many of these are just a few people being killed in small towns and villages during the course of a horrible war. Please do not point the silly POV tag at me. My only POV is that the ridiculous skull motif should not appear on the talkpages of these sensitive artilces. If you look I removed it from all Bosnian War articles not just for massacres of any individual ethnicity. If you would like to see my connection then maybe have a look at my photograph I have seen mass graves excavated, this is not a game. Polargeo (talk) 06:20, 23 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Helpful suggestion. If you still wish to list these articles in wikiproject death could you possibly do it without the project banner on the talkpages. Polargeo (talk) 06:37, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I have started a subpage on this User talk:Polargeo/death Polargeo (talk) 07:08, 23 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Please see my response at the project talk page where all of this should be - an editor simply editing within the scope of a project, or an editor objecting have basically the simplest remedy - take it to the project page - any other page is unlikely to give the issue adequate coverage for those who need to see or be involved with the matter. Project tagging or the editor who did so - is not something that should be taken at a personal level - it is the scope of the project that is being questioned - and that is where it should be conducted SatuSuro 07:22, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

All of this may be resolved by using bannershells - as I have taken issue with poleargo over so many issues and been so heavily involved trying to point out issues that arise from the misuse of personal talk pages, to the death project to basically wikipedia itself - I am not touching the 16 articles in any way - cheers SatuSuro 13:30, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

Portal
Looks like sections 4 and 10 are somewhat duplicating material a bit - what do you think? SatuSuro 08:56, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Just to make sure, which ones are section 4 and 10? -Pollinosisss (talk) 09:01, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Categories - 4 and Selected Topics is 10 (which I still think needs a thorough re-do - it was on the project page as something to fix up ages ago and nothing has happened - they are next to each other on the page and almost look like the classic too much information thing - but maybe not - Id appreciate your opinion SatuSuro 09:07, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't think it's necessarily a bad thing to have both of them, but the 'categories' section takes a lot more room than it should.
 * The category hierarchy itself needs some work. I don't like they way it's organized.
 * -Pollinosisss (talk) 09:20, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Well thats one area I seem to get a lot of people upset when I undo their parent/child cat mixups - is there a part of the tree that you can identify that needs re-adjusting? or is it an overll thing? Big problem is having to go through the hoops at CFD for big changes that are beyond speedy.  waiting around for the absent others to comment and in the end the cfd army are the only ones who get to look and they dont really know anyways, ...sigh SatuSuro 09:32, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I suppose it's more of an overall thing. There are a lot of things that don't quite make sense about the current setup. 'Ancient Egyptian funerary texts' and 'Death in Greek mythology' shouldn't be top level categories for example. -Pollinosisss (talk) 09:43, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Agree - there is a very odd structure to it - and along with the topics list - and list of cemeteries - a lot to struggle with...

BTW I now have my copy of Howarth and Leaman (Encyc of Death and Dying) next to my computer - but it is going take forever to get good stuff outta there :( - Oh the quote for today?  negative patient outcome - the UK Times once reported that the term was used to describe deathSatuSuro 09:51, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
 * That's one way to put it :) -Pollinosisss (talk) 09:58, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah Id like to take the death and murder section out of Euphemism and make it a separate article - as I am sure it could get bigger and more elaborate away from the structure it is sitting in SatuSuro 10:01, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
 * That's a great idea. -Pollinosisss (talk) 10:03, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
 * You or me? - we'd need to put a see also hatnote and a leave linking paragraph so that we are not gutting the section completely - SatuSuro 10:06, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
 * yeah -Pollinosisss (talk) 16:04, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

Good catch
Like it, I think my cemetery article to do list has that as a good example to follow (when ever i ever get around to it) SatuSuro 12:00, 25 January 2010 (UTC) BTW thank you very much for starting the cemeteries list work - real life and a few things have sort of taken the time - and really I keep finding huge amounts of Tasmanian and Indonesian to do lists - but I do have every intention of doing some of that as well soon SatuSuro 13:42, 25 January 2010 (UTC) Hi just got on (here in western australia its 8.40) I still havent guessed where you are on the planet :) - but reckon the lists need their own category SatuSuro 00:40, 26 January 2010 (UTC)


 * I'm somewhere in the northern hemisphere ;)
 * I hadn't thought of creating a categoy for them. It's a good idea. I just added some lists to it -Pollinosisss (talk) 00:45, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

Figured that - actually the Budapest and main Vienna graveyards are the most amazing for any enterprising thanatologist you could imagine - the Budapest one even has its own museum - interesting historical things - the Vienna one has the most amazing central building that might be a church but might not be a church - recently refurbished - must get around to loading all the piccies one day SatuSuro 00:50, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
 * These places sound very interesting. -Pollinosisss (talk) 01:05, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

Oops just a bit quick - I hadnt made the US one - take care! we got one for that now... so... SatuSuro 00:52, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

Apologies I should have warned you i was going to make it - now I am confused - must make sure the parent cat is not repeated with the child cat - and there are some potential conundrums here somewhere.... SatuSuro 00:59, 26 January 2010 (UTC)


 * I'm not exactly sure of what's going on, but I hope I didn't make too big of a mess..... -Pollinosisss (talk) 01:01, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I'll let you do your thing. Too many cooks ruin stew and all that. -Pollinosisss (talk) 01:03, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

Nah no big deal - please help - you are so good at it - just my bad - - created lists of cemeteries. Then was about to make 2 or 3 cub categories - one being the US one - and the others for the longest lists from inside of the old list of cemeteries - but I didnt warn you - sorry - not a big deal just quick hotcat change from list to the US one - no big deal... SatuSuro 01:05, 26 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Ok :) no harm done then -Pollinosisss (talk) 01:07, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

OH hell but we have a damned parallel universe to deal with (yuk)(yeuchhh) Cemeteries_in_the_United_States_by_state - which means we gotta tread careffully when we deal with lists - SatuSuro 01:10, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

Not as straight forward as i thought - 'cemeteries in x state' already exist - so list of cemeteries in x city is a list in the cemeteries in x state, and also in the lists in the us - so technically there can be lists in x state, and in x city - which gets the caat for lists in the us - yes damned parallel universe... hmm even the damned ghosts would get confused where they were... SatuSuro 01:21, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
 * complicated -Pollinosisss (talk) 01:25, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

Nah not really - the structure already exists state by state - we are - for the death project - are identifying those parts that have been identified as lists - rather than articles - a good thing for the project in the long run to see the different weightings for the assessment stats as at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Death/Assessment (which is just wow! did we start thaat??) - and as a consequence it is looking like splitting hairs, but is nothing short of brilliant project management that will be really good foundation for things as they progress... SatuSuro 01:31, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

Oh - and one thing - as a matter of courtesy to some projects like you just raced through Z - like that, is that I try to find the acceptable country project tag and add it when I go into the country death array - I some times might have got the wrong coding - but if the country wikiproject tag shows up - it seeems only fair to add that at the same time - no need to go back ovver Z - but it does slow things down a minute or two -to find the correct tag letters (some countries have really odd ones - usualy found at the main country article) - but at least we help build up credibility if we can put both tags in.... imho :) SatuSuro 01:36, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the reminder. I've been trying to do that more as of late, but I guess I'm still not quite used it. -Pollinosisss (talk) 01:39, 26 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Hey some 100,000 + edit admins still question me about why do i tag (?) they havent seemed to cotton onto the assessment schemes :)

the good thing about finding the correct country tag - is that some have some really quirky ones - New Zealand WPNZ, the singapore one is brilliantly short (which I always forget) - but when in doubt WikiProject works for most country templates - but it is worth the check.. some country project tags are so colourful i get distracted and do their assesment pages for them :( (no-one seems much interested in making sure their category pages are tagged - we must be associated with one of the few projects here that has more cats tagged than articles - it is usually the other way around) - oh well off for a coffee - thanks for what you have been doing so far! SatuSuro 01:45, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

Oh hell that is another really twisted quirk of things - when I was taagging haiti cats last week - discovered the parent project has the nested haiti project under its wings - as john carter who was the only participant of the haiti project hasnt edited since christmas (he tld me his laptop had been stolen - god knows what else is happening in his life) - but some projects have sneaky arrangements which are not always damned obvious - always worth checking that if there is sign of dual project with one as the main - and africa is a place to find out... now, that coffee SatuSuro 01:53, 26 January 2010(UTC)

Which is why I wanted to most of this stuff by email :( SatuSuro 00:35, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

Commonwealth_War_Graves_Commission_cemeteries_
These ones bug me - and I was faltering at the turkish ones - MILHIST might be a good tag - as the commonwealth mix of deaths makes it near impossible and pointless to add the relevant nationalities - at least Milhist seems to be a better idea SatuSuro 00:57, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, they should probably be tagged with MILHIST. Belgium has a ton of them. -Pollinosisss (talk) 01:03, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Turkey ones still need doing and I think there are some middle east ones that need checking as well SatuSuro 01:06, 28 January 2010 (UTC) The  mother category is probably the point to work from SatuSuro 01:18, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

Portal link inside template
Ok aging brain - I cannot remember what the outcome of the template and the portal link inside - do we need to bother geniac or someone to get into the template to put a portal symbol inside the template? I cannot remember and too much tagging is slowly driving me.. im off to watch some tv - cheers SatuSuro 13:44, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
 * It looks like we have to place Template:Editprotected along with a request on the template discussion page. An admin would then make the change for us. -Pollinosisss (talk) 13:59, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

Long time no speak
Still plodding erratically through various massacres/death topics trying to get the right tags for the other projects - the real world has been taking its toll of recentSatuSuro 14:48, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I cannot believe how many categories and articles we have tagged - amazing - good to see! Despite other interests - it is always interesting to come back and do another country so to speak. So far no great challenges that require extra help - which is a relief SatuSuro 00:06, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Indeed -Pollinosisss (talk) 00:07, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Heheh - I think that the lists list has been pruned enough (magnificent job - we might still need to cleanup a bit but) - what do you think? SatuSuro 00:10, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I was thinking of continuing until the only things left were list links. The page could then be renamed to 'Lists of cemeteries'. Eventually, we would could start fixing up the newly created lists. If we leave the page only partially pruned, people will start adding junk to it again right? -Pollinosisss (talk) 00:16, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Very good thinking - the cleaner and sprucier it is the easier to encourage removing the random fly by dropped in for a red link drink style edit - yes agree SatuSuro 00:19, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
 * wowie zowie - then this drops out of the ether - reminds me we have to have a bit of a chat about assessment sometime - I have sort of been avoiding this stage for a while :) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Version_1.0_Editorial_Team/Death_articles_by_quality_log SatuSuro 00:43, 5 February 2010 (UTC)


 * One issue is that the lists of - was often referred to as list of 'famous' cemeteries - and a notability issue crept in - which also haunts every single cemetery article on wikipedia - the damned 'notable' or 'famous' burial number - I personally find such a notion problematic- how do you discern or evaluate who is or not - so damned POV - anyways we gonna find famous crop up everywhere the more we go into the articles about cemeteries - and also the horrible slant of weight of WP:UNDUE in the vast pantheon of USA lists with no text or content or context but simple lists of external links and no refs or anything is daunting... SatuSuro 00:43, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I agree with you about the USA list. It's a mess
 * There's a bit over a hundred pages linking to "List of famous cemeteries" right now. -Pollinosisss (talk) 00:48, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh hell so un wikipedia to have that specific title - oh dear oh dear - wont be much on over the next 4 or 5 (maybe note sure) days but I can see with my disparate interests there are never any shortening of to do lists :( SatuSuro 00:54, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

Hmmm
We got one - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Cemeteries - we might need to look very carefully at this as a possible sub page of the death project methinks... SatuSuro 05:29, 5 February 2010 (UTC) And a possible resurrection of the following - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability_%28cemeteries%29 we might need to give it a resucscitate SatuSuro 05:31, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Interesting. I hadn't seen those before. -Pollinosisss (talk) 05:36, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

Hope youre ok - your edit time is outta wack! SatuSuro 05:33, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Things are ok.-Pollinosisss (talk) 05:36, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Thats good - I reckon we appropriate those two mentioned ones above and absorb them into the Death project as sub pages of the project :) SatuSuro 05:38, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
 * OR - develop them with eye to linking them to the project SatuSuro 05:41, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
 * egad the reference section to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cemeteries_in_the_United_States says it all - yuk -   A guide to unusual, historic, and otherwise notable cemeteries - why cannot they just be cemeteries? SatuSuro 05:51, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Actually after the balkan incident - I have decided to banner shell the american categories as a pre emptive defence :( I might even stay with banners for most of the time unless i get checked on it SatuSuro 15:42, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

Brilliant
With the star we should make a death project banner SatuSuro 08:25, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Banner? I'm not exactly sure what you mean. -Pollinosisss (talk) 05:33, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

Many thanks
Many thanks for the information on the "Deaths" project - it looks interesting! ACEOREVIVED (talk) 21:25, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

Puerto Rico
Pollinosisss, some 2 weeks ago, in this edit, http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Lists_of_cemeteries_by_country&action=historysubmit&diff=339967160&oldid=339966444 you remove Puerto Rico from the list w/o making a note. I looked for it under US (which is something commonly done in various categories) but couldn't find it there either. Am I missing something? If this was an error, or if I don't hear back, I intend to put it back shortly. Regards, Mercy11 (talk) 02:42, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
 * The list of cemeteries has been split-up into a number of smaller lists. I did not create a list for Puerto Rico because, as far as I can tell, it only has three cemetery articles(Cementerio Catolico San Vicente de Paul, Puerto Rico National Cemetery, Santa Maria Magdalena de Pazzis Cemetery). A three item list seems rather short. I hadn't thought of adding it to the List of cemeteries in the United States. If you think this is a good idea, please add the Puerto Rican cemeteries to the US list. -Pollinosisss (talk) 03:02, 10 February 2010 (UTC)


 * There are far more than 3 cemeteries in Puerto Rico, of course. These 3 are just the 3 most prominent, historical, famous, notable, etc, one. For example it includes cemetery listed in the national register of historic places, and etc for the others.
 * As I recall this list used to be called List of Famous Cemeteries (but I might be wrong!) or some similar name. Is this correct? It would had been on that basis, that I had claened up the PR list some time back (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Lists_of_cemeteries_by_country&action=historysubmit&diff=313604119&oldid=313001504). Was this list moved from List of famous cemeteries to just List of cemeteries by country??? Appreciate your clarification as I could not find anything in the move log. Regards, Mercy11 (talk) 03:13, 10 February 2010 (UTC)


 * You are correct, the page was once called "List of famous cemeteries". It was then changed to "List of cemeteries" at some point. I changed it to "Lists of cemeteries by country" not long ago. -Pollinosisss (talk) 03:18, 10 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Famous and notable are notoriously POV ascriptions and were removed as the new death project is trying hard to remove such labels and ascriptions to cemeteries that really in the end are just cemeteries - tourist promotion style is not what lists should have - this is meant to be an online encyclopedia - not a tourist site. SatuSuro 05:15, 10 February 2010 (UTC)


 * I don't think the other editor was promoting the words you object to, I certainly wasn't. Relax, we were just stating some fatcs. As far as I was concerned this discussion had ended with Pollinosisss's last statement. Regards, Mercy11 (talk) 12:40, 10 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Thats fine - I have no problems with resolved issues - but there is a real need in the death project to make sure that the over-emphasis of those particular terms is clearly balanced out at every opportunity - even if i did misread the above comments - we are very lucky most of the project related articles and categories have a more evenly spread emphasis SatuSuro 13:34, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

Camperdown Cemetery
I notice that you just tagged it as part of the Death Project. While you are at it, it also requires upgrading from a "Start Class" (which it obviously isn't) to a B Class, at the least. If you were to review it, you'd probably find it's an A. I can't review it, as I wrote it and I'm not part of the Death Project team. I was a trustee of this cemetery for many years. Amandajm (talk) 05:07, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
 * The article has been reassessed (It is now a B). I'll take a closer look at it later. It looks like a very good article. -Pollinosisss (talk) 05:13, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

Egad
Youve been tagging on my home territory this morning (my time) - I have a major diversion in the shipwreck territory - might need some project page help at some stage, please SatuSuro 05:48, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Sure. I'd be happy to help. -Pollinosisss (talk) 07:38, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I am going to send an email just now SatuSuro 07:54, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

Damn I need an opinion - I seem to have some errors in the pages of the shipwreck project pages (would appreciate a review from soneone else looking through and checking - ie could you see errors on the project pages? ) - and also I have been tagging murderers for the UK and after the fluster with the ships stuff I have a blank on murderers/vs murdered - we are including them yes? SatuSuro 06:26, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
 * We have been skipping killers but including articles which focus on the deaths of their victims. No one ever really said anything about categories though.
 * WikiProject_Shipwrecks looks ok for me. Are there other pages? -Pollinosisss (talk) 06:43, 12 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Good example - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Low-importance_Shipwreck_articles at least 3 mistakes - the colour bar looks as though it is short of thingoes, the red link at the category bar, and there was something else... - I have to get off for a bit - there was also the inablity of the main page called shipwrecks to have a self referencing category (so its the participants - cannot think of the correct parent cats for the page) - sorry to bother... cheers off for a bit SatuSuro 06:50, 12 February 2010 (UTC)


 * you might want to revert my murderer pages of the deaht project also - or I can do it - damned shipwrecks SatuSuro 06:52, 12 February 2010 (UTC) Nah Ill fix it when I get around to it - there is a real subtlety as to where the mix of crime/death/country tags work in some situations - and where the perpetrators possibly should be in the biography project rather then death or crime - SatuSuro 08:07, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

Tagging
Great to see your philosophy developments - I still go in for random death tagging - and still heaps to go - and also constantly finding under-tagged projects the oddest one to date the french project - still interested in a portal or 2 - but not at the moment - hope I can ask for help on them in a few weeks or so - cheers - trust all is well SatuSuro 02:40, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I still want to tag more of the cemetery articles and add more quotes to the death portal but I've been feeling like working on other things lately. I started Portal:Shipwrecks by the way. I also broke up Underworld earlier today. It was in really bad shape. -Pollinosisss (talk) 02:57, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

Wow I can think of some other portal topics Ill email the ideas some time - but i really need practice putting em all together - as for messes - the worst are the lists of death tolls in disaster series - that is a zone of really bad bad lists with such chaos - I think I need to wait for a dark winters night for them - its still bloody hot and summer here at the moment - I dont want to sit in here when I can be in the pool :) SatuSuro 03:00, 20 February 2010 (UTC)


 * It's easy to forget that it isn't winter everywhere :) -Pollinosisss (talk) 03:16, 20 February 2010 (UTC)


 * To think the places i was walking last year in new york, london and toronto I'd need more than I am wearing now for sure SatuSuro 04:06, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

Good call
That looks like a very good call you made in the Pantheism article, changing Neoplatonism to Middle platonism. I noted that you didn't leave an edit summary and would very much appreciate it if you would do so in your future edits. Doing so helps everyone to understand the intention of your edit. It is also helpful to users reading the edit history of the page. So please provide the edit summary before saving your edits. Thank you very much! &mdash; Paine ( Ellsworth's   Climax )  10:34, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

Now
That we have a page for the death project that identifies hits/watches/looks - I am going to slowly go down that list making importance ratings (I tend to be conservative with them) rather than add categories for a while - trust all is well - cheers SatuSuro 13:54, 1 March 2010 (UTC)


 * really odd - the list says importance ??? and i check and its there already - oh well SatuSuro 12:36, 2 March 2010 (UTC)


 * I've seen that happen before. It has to do with when the data was collected I think.
 * The data should be more accurate next month when the table is updated again. -Pollinosisss (talk) 13:30, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

ahh like waiting for my first pay cheque - hmmm - the month wait :) SatuSuro 13:34, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

whoops....
Sorry about that, I mistakenly hit the rollback link on Poutine. I have corrected my mistake, and hope you accept my apology. Dbrodbeck (talk) 19:28, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Not a problem :) -Pollinosisss (talk) 21:45, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

Don't know why
Don't know why you removed the Philosophy category from the entry on "Aesthetic Realism" but I have reinstated it because it is appropriate. I've been one of the editors working on this for the past month or so. Trouver (talk) 20:27, 15 March 2010 (UTC)


 * The main philosophy category should be pretty much empty. Pages should be moved down to more appropriate subcategories.


 * Categorization tells us that:
 * Pages are not placed directly into every possible category, only into the most specific one in any branch. This means that if a page belongs to a subcategory of C (or a subcategory of a subcategory of C, and so on) then it is not normally placed directly into C. -Pollinosisss (talk) 20:42, 15 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Big problem is clever smart cat users adding every cat into the bottom of article space - parent child cat combos is a constant issue SatuSuro 23:01, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
 * It certainly is. -Pollinosisss (talk) 23:18, 15 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Sorry, I'm not trying to be a "clever smart cat user"--I really did not understand the categories and sub-categories. I'm fairly new to WP and there is a great deal I don't understand. Thanks for explaining. There is a lock on the page now, but as soon as it is lifted I will remove the Philosophy category from the bottom of the page and place it in the appropriate sub-category. Sorry for the inconvenience.Trouver (talk) 01:35, 16 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Apologies - its not you specifically - I have come across some intractable must have em all category makers who include parent grandparent and child cats with some level of insistence, who dont seem to understand or learn even after being alerted to the issue - hey good stuff if you can work it out - and hope you enjoy your stay on wikipedia! SatuSuro 01:40, 16 March 2010 (UTC)


 * I also meant no offence. Thanks for being understanding. -Pollinosisss (talk) 02:39, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the DAB Project notice
Thanks for putting the DAB WikiProject box on the talk page for Valea Babei River (disambiguation). One day I'll start remembering to do that myself when I create dab pages! --Auntof6 (talk) 02:50, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
 * No problem :) -Pollinosisss (talk) 02:51, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

Authority
I would like to know why you are going through the philosophy articles and giving them assessments of "low importance." Do you consider yourself specially qualified for this activity?Lestrade (talk) 20:32, 26 March 2010 (UTC)Lestrade
 * According to the Philosophy projects' assessment page, articles which are not required for "a broad understanding of philosophy" are to be assessed at low importance. This is what I've been doing. I have no special qualifications, but I do have a broad understanding of philosophy. In other words, my decisions to rate articles as "low" are definitely informed.


 * I've taken it upon myself to assess the large number of unassessed philosophy articles because no one else seems particularly interested in the task, and, although time consuming, it is easy to do. As such, I'm not particularly attached to any of my assessments. If you strongly believe that I've made a mistake, please correct it. -Pollinosisss (talk) 21:13, 26 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Yes Pollinosisss is qualified. Any member of the project can give an assessment. All changes are published to a log. Furthermore, Pollinosisss is a well known and prolific contributor in the Philosophy department. Greg Bard 21:34, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

What if my personal opinion is different from Pollinosisss's personal opinion? Who will decide which is correct?Lestrade (talk) 23:41, 26 March 2010 (UTC)Lestrade
 * If your disagree with a few of my choices, feel free to bring them up here. I'd be happy to discuss them with you.
 * If you disagree with many of my choices, please bring it up on the Philosophy project's main talk page and we can see what others think. -Pollinosisss (talk) 23:46, 26 March 2010 (UTC)


 * The truth is that the assessment ratings are not a big deal. The matter can be discussed on the talk page of the article, or at WT:PHILO. You will find that people do not tenaciously fight for any particular rating, but rather are easy-going about it. Please do join in the assessment! Be well, Greg Bard 01:38, 27 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I will check on the woman philosopher, because I have some knowledge oin this domain, and a devotion to the topic of gender differences. There are, in any case, very very few women that have reached a significant status, this is rare, and if they have reached it, this means that they are probably more important then the general reader knows (the general reader in the sense of a reader not interested or not specialized in women or gender studies). I will proceed to look at this to the best of my capacity and revise the rating if necessary in my view. Artethical (talk) 12:36, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

National-Anarchism
Thank you for undoing User:Paki.tv's revision since I can't anymore otherwise I will be violating 3RR. --Loremaster (talk) 21:12, 28 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Glad to help. I really don't like what he's trying to do to the article. -Pollinosisss (talk) 12:47, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

Apologies
I do hope there might be a possibility of resurrecting it - if not - please let me know - cheers SatuSuro 03:21, 3 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I saved a copy of the page on my local hard drive; I can take up from where I left off at some point in the future. I don't think I'll be able to get to it any time soon though. -Pollinosisss (talk) 04:24, 3 April 2010 (UTC)
 * OK i am in no rush viz the comment I made at Alans talk page - it is a sort of lost cause - but whenever - if you have a batch of time in the future sometime - let me know and I would like to get some portal construction practice :) SatuSuro 04:38, 3 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Do you want to tag it with db-author? Might save a bit of admin overhead. Cheers. -- Alan Liefting (talk) - 06:10, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

Note
There is a thread here that may be of interest to you. Thanks, – xeno talk 13:16, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

Some proposals for WP:PHILO
Greetings P,

I made a list of possible future directions for WP:PHILO. I wonder if there are any you didn't like or about which had some ideas. User:Gregbard/todoBe well, Greg Bard 23:21, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
 * You've written some very interesting suggestions. I've placed my thoughts below. -Pollinosisss (talk) 20:43, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

Response to Proposals for WP:PHILO
Out of your "Possible categories", I would love to see these two I could easily start populating a "scholars of ancient philosophy" category. I'm not sure about this one What kind of people would go in here? Most medieval scholars were involved in appropriating and adapting Greek philosophy. I'm all for these. As for possible new task forces, I think some discussion is definitely worth having. These would be nice to have I think. Do we have enough articles to justify these two? The cats seem pretty empty What do you think of these ideas? and Splitting "Eastern Philosophy Task Force" into
 * I like your "Major goals" and "Build infrastructure" sections.
 * The Philbot sounds very interesting. How difficult would it be to create something like this? I don't really have any experience with bots.
 * ''Category:Contemporary scholars of ancient philosophy
 * ''Category:Contemporary scholars of medieval philosophy
 * ''Category:Medieval scholars of ancient philosophy
 * ''Split Anarchism and Marxism task forces out of WP:PHILO.
 * ''Merge Socialism and Marxism task force.
 * ''Jurisprudence task force.
 * ''Humanism task force.
 * ''Empiricism task force.
 * ''Rationalism task force.
 * Category:Empiricism
 * Category:Rationalism
 * Changing "Ancient Philosophy Task Force" to "Ancient Greek Philosophy Task Force"
 * Changing "Medieval Philosophy Task Force" to "Scholastic Philosophy Task Force"
 * "Islamic Philosophy Task Force"
 * "Indian Philosophy Task Force"
 * "East-Asian Philosophy Task Force"

I don't really find the current "Eastern Philosophy Task Force" particularly helpful. It's sorta just a dumping ground for anything "non-western" right now. -Pollinosisss (talk) 20:43, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

Chinese room
I was surprised you rated this article as with "C" (that is, missing relevant material, containing irrelevant material or missing citations). The article isn't perfect, of course, but I'm not sure I agree it has these particular problems. I wonder if you could make your criticism more specific on the talk page? CharlesGillingham (talk) 05:24, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I usually rate articles with obvious shortcomings C or lower. I gave this particular article a C because I felt that the lead section was not an adequate overview of the article. I don't really have any criticism other than that. -Pollinosisss (talk) 05:58, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

Ahh death...
I think we will be tagging and assessing for a very long time - thanks as always for your hard work at the start - I flutter in every week or so for a small few - still no closer to doing anything about portals in strange areas SatuSuro 11:12, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
 * wow old factory even came and asked us a question- hmmm - and there are even 3 responses - thats more than some other parts of the place get at times SatuSuro 15:52, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

List of ... related articles
Based on your comments at: Talk:Index of Catholic Church articles you may be interested in the following discussion: Articles for deletion/List of Carpenter named articles. Jrcrin001 (talk) 20:52, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

Adriana Cavarero
I am trying to give Adriana Cavarero a better rate, but don't know how to do this. I think that she merits a B category. If you agree, can you to this (I know only how to undo a category, but once there are new posts, the "undo" doesn't work). Thank you Artethical (talk) 20:33, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

You are now a Reviewer
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Merge discussion at Underworld
There is a current discussion at Talk:Underworld regarding merger or deletion of the page. I notice that you split content from the page earlier this year. Could you please comment in the merger discussion? Thanks, Cnilep (talk) 17:18, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

Upgrade
I upgraded the Bahshamiyya page to reflect a Grade of C.

--Jimharlow99 (talk) 00:46, 15 December 2010 (UTC)