User talk:Ponyo/Archives/July/2009

Supposed controversial material
Please point out to me the controversial material I was supposed to have written to the article about Larry Campbell. Since all of the information I wrote comes directly from the gentleman's official webpage I have to wonder what on earth you are talking about. I notice you said it "appeared" to be unsourced so I have to assume that you did not check first to find out before jumping on me with both feet. Jammies4phun (talk) 03:54, 4 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Hello Jammies4phun, I understand that it must be frustrating to have your edits reverted, however there were many issues with the changes that you made that required the article to be returned to its previous version. The most glaring issue was that you replaced a large amount of content with unsourced material (you did not quote the source you were using). Above you mention that you were using his "official website" for the information. This does not meet the criteria required to add information to biographies of living people articles. From the BLP page I linked to:


 * "Remove any unsourced material to which a good faith editor objects; or which is a conjectural interpretation of a source (see Wikipedia:No original research); or that relies upon self-published sources (unless written by the subject of the BLP; see below) or sources that otherwise fail to meet standards specified in Wikipedia:Verifiability."


 * There are a couple of additional policy issues with the changes you made to the page. Comments like "We certainly can't argue with that" do not adhere to a neutral point of view, which needs to be followed on all wikipedia articles. In addition, if you are pulling information off of the 'official website', there may be copyright issues. I'm not able to double check this as you have not provided a link to the website you were using.


 * Finally, the changes that you made broke several wikilinks and changed the layout of the page. Wikipedia's manual of style has tons of good information and links to follow that outline how to present information into article space.


 * Once again, I'm sorry that you feel that you were "jumped on" as this was not my intention. I hope that you read the information I provided here, as well as the "Getting Started" links in the welcome message I left on your talk page. Best, --ponyo (talk) 15:30, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

Alex Kurzem
I have added Mark Kurzem's book, as well as his 2002 documentary, as references for my corrections and embellishments. Whoever wrote the original entry had clearly never read or seen either, and was basing his facts on a simplified 10 minute CBS piece which can be seen on YouTube. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Laurenticwave (talk • contribs) 20:33, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Morganton, North Carolina
Thanks for your good work there. Funny, I just happened to have stopped there for coffee + gas and was curious about the town. --Omarcheeseboro (talk) 15:25, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I assume you didn't have to wade through any KKK parades in order to get to the coffee shop? Although the contention that it is a "hotbed" of activity may be true, there's no way that the info should be there without an ironclad reliable source. There are a number of eyes on the article now, so the burden of keeping it NPOV won't all be on you. Cheers, ponyo (talk) 15:37, 20 July 2009 (UTC)


 * There was a little traffic for the big festival. I was wondering what it was, and then came here and it was spammed in the lead for Morganton. Wikipedia has the answer to everything! --Omarcheeseboro (talk) 16:53, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

José Carlos Tabares
Hello. Three sources are included in the article (as external links). There are no in-line citations, and that is why the BLP sources tag is appropriate. Best regards. Jogurney (talk) 16:38, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the reply. I was unaware that the "references" section could contain general references which were not inline citations. In the case of this article, all of the "external links" are actually general references that do back up the content of the article. Based on my experience, external links often if not always contain general references, so it seems like those should be moved to the references section. Best regards. Jogurney (talk) 17:45, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

user:17717171j
You recently posted this user at WP:AIV. Could I ask you to provide diffs on the edits which you feel are vandalism, because I cannot see any. --Anthony.bradbury"talk" 19:29, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Hi Anthony - Looking through the edits I think a better description would have been "disruptive editing". I only gave the account a first level warning; it was three additional editors who escalated it to a final warning, all of whom described the edits as vandalism. After the final warning, the editor in question created an article that was speedily deleted as patent nonsense. This is when I filed the AIV report. Regardless, the issue appears moot now as user:17717171j has stopped editing. ponyo (talk) 19:39, 22 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Fair comment on the deleted article, and what that was about I know not. But it is true to say that there were no vandalisms at all up to the final warning; I rather suspect that we have done no more here than scare away a perfectly genuine new user, who responded to the undeserved final warning in an over-reactive way. --Anthony.bradbury"talk" 19:45, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I'll take a piece of the blame on that, there was a lack of AGF demonstrated. It's unfortunate, and to be honest I simply saw the warnings multiply on my watch list and headed to AIV when the article was created and ultimately speedied after Alansohn's final warning. Question though, if the editor hadn't stopped adding commentary into article space, what would have been the outcome? They didn't appear to be interested in the welcome message and sandbox links I provided... ponyo (talk) 19:58, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Your note about Bob Marley
I've looked over the situation, and I agree that it seems very odd. Your best bet would probably be to take this up at the reliable sources noticeboard, with regards to the sourcing being used. I'll put the page on my watchlist, and see what develops. Unitanode 19:47, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Verner Panton
When I added the "photo needed" parameter to the Verner Panton talk page, I did it because the article is lacking a picture of the person Verner Panton. I think the WPBiography template is designed to be used on biographies, and therefore, if you use the photoneeded parameter, the article will get categorized as a biography needing a picture. People will interpret this as the need of a portrait photo or something like that. I think we should put the parameter back. (btw if you reply please notify me at my talk page :D) --Ysangkok (talk) 21:03, 30 July 2009 (UTC)