User talk:Ponyo/Archives/October/2011

Pierre Viette
I can't understand why you removed the dates I put for Pierre Viette. I have already made many pages on entomology, you can believe me, please next time ask me first before removing what I write. If you need references see: Nouvelle Revue d'Entomologie, Nouvelle série, Tome 27, fascicule 1, p. 69; also: Henri-Pierre Aberlenc, In Memoriam Pierre Viette (29 juin 1921 – 30 avril 2011), L'Entomologiste, Tome 67, numéro 3, pages 153-155.Jacqueshb (talk) 07:06, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the references, I have added one of the them to the article and restored the date of death. --Jezebel's Ponyo bons mots 14:11, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

Kellie 45
This user has requested unblock in compliance with the terms suggested by BJwilkins, and says they will only use that account. Are you comfortable with an unblock? Daniel Case (talk) 17:43, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Absolutely, as long as they commit to adhere to COI guidelines. Thank you for checking. Cheers, --Jezebel's Ponyo bons mots 17:47, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

Thanks :)
That's for checking my edit to Alekos_Alexandrakis - it turns out that I'd misunderstood the wikipedia policy on citing imbd - always happy to learn :)

Failedwizard (talk) 15:38, 7 October 2011 (UTC)
 * No worries, that's why I left a clear edit summary; I wanted to ensure you knew I wasn't simply reverting you offhand. Cheers, --Jezebel's Ponyo bons mots 15:41, 7 October 2011 (UTC)

Little David & Little Tuesday

 * If you recall our brief foray into child preacher "Little David", you might be intrigued to learn about Little Tuesday (userspace draft), who I stumbled across - briefly famous child actor of the 1890s. Sadly I can't find an obituary, her trail runs cold around 1930.--Milowent • talkblp-r  20:31, 7 October 2011 (UTC)
 * How could I forget the ANGRY FIST OF GOD? I'll see if I can dig up any additional info on our Little Tuesday...--Jezebel's Ponyo bons mots 00:32, 8 October 2011 (UTC)

Vladan Vujic
Remember this one? You deleted and indeffed, the creator, before working the same magic on  and. Well now we have, created by , and edited by his meat/sock puppets , and  (who were all active on the previous incarnations if I remember correctly). What course of action could we take - SPI? GiantSnowman 10:45, 9 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Looks like WilliamH pretty much cleaned up the whole mess. If anything else pops up, let me know. Cheers, --Jezebel's Ponyo <sup style="color:Navy;">bons mots 17:51, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

Invitation to Vancouver meetup
Hello,

Wikipedian British Columbians are planning a meetup at the Vancouver Public Library, Central Branch, on Sunday, October 16th, as part of the Wikipedia Loves Libraries events. If you wish to attend, please see Meetup/Vancouver and add your signature to the list.

Thank you! Inverse Hypercube 03:18, 14 October 2011 (UTC)

Kevin Rose
Hello.

I saw your recent revert on the Kevin Rose article. Someone seems to be adding promotional info to the page every so often. Do you think semi-protection is called for? They tend to be edits from IP editors.

Thanks NCSS (talk) 20:37, 14 October 2011 (UTC)
 * At this time the promotional additions are not frequent enough or egregious enough to warrant protection; however I am watching the article and can temporarily protect it if it gets out of hand. --<b style="color:Navy;">Jezebel's</b> Ponyo <sup style="color:Navy;">bons mots 20:43, 14 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Sounds good, thanks! NCSS (talk) 17:13, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

Do disruptive editors ever fade away?
Hello P. I hope that you are having an nice fall. After a couple of months away has popped up again and has gone right back to adding unsourced info to bio articles and their infoboxes. I have started the warning process but I thought I would let you know so that you can help keep an eye on things. MarnetteD | Talk 20:28, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Ugh, enough is enough; I've blocked the account indefinitely for disruptive editing. I pulled together all the good faith I could muster and I still cannot believe that this is not a sock account. We will see these same edits via another account soon enough, my guess is that we have the majority of their targets on our watchlists by now that it should be fairly obvious. Enjoy the rest of your Sunday! --<b style="color:Navy;">Jezebel's</b> Ponyo <sup style="color:Navy;">bons mots 21:46, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't know where my manners went. So please accept these belated thanks for your actions in this situation. As you say our eyes are peeled for the return of this editor. Cheers MarnetteD | Talk 14:33, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
 * No worries; have you considered jumping through a ring of fire? Then you could smite the BLP-violating IP-hoppers and socks too! --<b style="color:Navy;">Jezebel's</b> Ponyo <sup style="color:Navy;">bons mots 14:37, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I did about a year after I had started editing but the more I watched what admins have to put up with - cries of "involved" "bullying" "desysop them" and on and on - I decided that I am better suited to the work of an aging, grizzled wikignome :-) I have seen good admins leave in disgust and I can only admire those like yourself who hang in there and do all you can to keep things moving forward. Many thanks for the thought and cheers! MarnetteD | Talk 14:54, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Feel free to ping me any time if you think I can help. --<b style="color:Navy;">Jezebel's</b> Ponyo <sup style="color:Navy;">bons mots 14:57, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

Wally Buono Award
Andrew Harris and Chris Ciezki

Question: Where did the award come from? Thin air? Just got established overnight? Happened to show up one day and poof it was there? Way out of bounds on this one but you do what you want. Not going to say anymore on the topic as I am an unrelated party practicing my edit skills on something I know about as in Canadian football at university level in Quebec.

Save the response for the next guy. Spam? Really? So much for detail and fact.

Carl. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cmerlino3 (talk • contribs) 20:01, 19 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Spam and promotion have different connotations here then elsewhere - an account who's only edits have been to add information regarding a specific product, company, charity etc. across multiple articles gives the appearance of being promotional. Many editors who run afoul of Wikipedia's policy and guidelines regarding promotion do so completely without realizing they are doing so. In this specific case, the history of the award is completely irrelevant for the individuals who received the award and the information does not belong in their biographies. This is why I left the relevant info in and formatted your reference instead of reverting the edits altogether. If you believe the award is notable enough for its own entry, then you are free to create such an article, that is where the history of the award belongs. <b style="color:Navy;">Jezebel's</b> Ponyo <sup style="color:Navy;">bons mots 20:17, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

I disagree. I am not interested in writing about the award as the foundation is in Switzerland and my interest is football in Quebec at a university and junior football level. I am writing on what I know. I do not know Bellemare or Saint-Marche or Wally Buono personally. I write on them because they are from Quebec and that is my home town although I am in Southern Ontario now. I write on this to practice my English and structure as English is not my mother tongue. I also write on this because they re small articles and I can handle them as a novice. So what we are saying here is we can discuss a Ferrari model, say a BB 512, and never mentioned Enzo Ferrari designed it and gave "birth" tot his model. We don't need the founder of the company even though it was his or her idea? That's your position? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cmerlino3 (talk • contribs) 20:24, 19 October 2011 (UTC)


 * First, note that this is not my position, these are Wikipedia policies and guidelines that have been developed through consensus over several years. You admit that you are a new editor - I have been editing for over four and half years and have tens of thousands of edits. This does not make me infallible by any means, but I do have a rather extensive history and knowledge of how Wikipedia works. There is an overwhelming amount of information that is thrown at you when you begin editing, what I am trying to do is explain why your edits are being reverted (or in this case partially reverted) and point to the policies and guidelines the reverts are based upon. Your analogy is not a valid one - a more accurate example would be adding the fact that a an individual (say Brad Pitt for example) purchased a special edition Ferrari, and then launch into the history of the Ferrari within the Brad Pitt article. It is WP:UNDUE and not directly relevant. <b style="color:Navy;">Jezebel's</b> Ponyo <sup style="color:Navy;">bons mots 20:42, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

I will not re-edit the entries as per your request. You do as you wish. I have stated my case with merit. I will get my account closed in the next couple of days as I see Wikipedia is not for someone trying to learn. There is no room for someone trying to tach themselves the system on a limited topic. Sends a great message to the world.

Cmerlino3 (talk) 20:31, 19 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Cmerlino3, the entire point is that you do not need to teach yourself the system, there are many editors here who will help guide you through the process. Nobody gets everything right the first time, but in a collaborative environment such as this you need to be able to be willing to take good faith advice and make an effort to read and understand policies and guidelines when they are explained to you. Editing Wikipedia can be frustrating in the beginning, but in the long run it can be very rewarding. <b style="color:Navy;">Jezebel's</b> Ponyo <sup style="color:Navy;">bons mots  20:47, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

There you go. I learnt something Cmerlino3 (talk) 20:31, 19 October 2011 (UTC) Cmerlino3 (talk) 20:31, 19 October 2011 (UTC) Cmerlino3 (talk) 20:31, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

Ponyo, I am not questioning your ability. Someone, say, Pininfarina (http://www.pininfarina.it/index.html) would have had to made the design for Ferrari as they do for the majority of all Ferraris. Special designed Ferrari? Ok, lets stick with that? Who designed it for Pitt? How did it come about? Who drew the pictures? Was Pitt involved? I would not give the entire history of Pininfarina but it lends itself to a sentence or two and that is what I am being denied here. Where did this award, this national award, come from? Where did Pitts Ferrari come from as in who designed it? Same question, same answer. Besides these two small accounts are a couple of sentences each. Not like there is not room. You have your position and I have mine. You call it promotional and spam and I call it a fact that someone or some organization did this for Wally Buono. Wally Buono didn't have this done for himself. I attended one of these events in Montreal years ago and he spoke of the award and how it came about. You do what you have to do I guess. I already wrote to Wiki to close the account. Who needs this? To argue over one sentence of who founded an award that some player won? No, I am not interested in that. I am just trying to learn so i can contribute more but the headaches are more than one needs. I should have looked more at the non-wiki blogs closer. I have an entry on Wally Buono's wiki which lists all the players who won the award. I hope that can stay in place but I leave that to you. Some of wiki's editors, not you, are over the top with power and that is sad. Lots of people don't want the hassle of this so I have read and one has to wonder how much "good stuff" is lost because of it. Thank you, and I really do mean it, for your interaction. I'm still right (laughing) and you realize it (one line please! I have seen way worse) but you are the first guy to take the time to explain things. I appreciate it. Carl. I mean Cmerlino3 (talk) 20:58, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

Ponyo, since you are from BC and a major BC Lions fan can you edit this ? Lets try to keep as much, if not all, of it eh? Many thanks signed respectfully as I fall on my wiki sword (this whole signature thing is so cool!)  Cmerlino3 (talk) 21:04, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

The Wally Buono Award (http://www.slillegard.com/buono/) was established in 2003 by The Saint Bernard Pass Charitable Foundation for the purpose of recognizing Canada's top junior football player. The award is a national award. Recipients must prove their athletic and leadership ability on the field as well as a high level of leadership within their community. The Saint Bernard Pass Charitable Foundation is the Swiss based foundation of Christina Saint Marche. The winners of the award are as follows: 2010 — DL Kleevens Jean-Louis, Châteauguay Raiders (QJFL) (http://monteregieweb.com/popUp+fr+01_300+Raiders__JeanLouis_wins_Wally_Buono_award.html?Print=1&ArticleID=673068) 2009 — RB Andrew Harris, Vancouver Island Raiders (BCFC/CJFL) (http://www2.canada.com/nanaimodailynews/news/sports/story.html?id=3f2dd140-bbe0-4af3-95fa-bb92a3a17af3) 2008 — WR Cassidy Doneff, Calgary Colts (PFC/CJFL) (http://www.bclions.com/article/wally-buono-award-winner-announced) 2007 — RB Tristan Jones, Edmonton Wildcats (PFC/CJFL) (http://www.13thman.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=32045) 2006 — QB Nate Friesen, Winnipeg Rifles (PFC/CJFL) (http://www.universitysport.ca/e/story_detail0605.cfm?id=7439) 2005 — RB Jeff Halvorson, Posthumous, Okanagan Sun (BCFC/CJFL) (http://www.marketwire.com/press-release/wally-buono-marv-levy-vince-lombardi-jr-visit-montreal-the-late-jeff-halvorson-be-honoured-538918.htm) 2004 — RB Chris Ciezki, Edmonton Huskies (PFC/CJFL) (http://www.sherwoodparknews.com/ArticleDisplay.aspx?archive=true&e=1876062) 2003 — RB Alan Giacalone, Calgary Colts (PFC/CJFL) (http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Football/CFL/Calgary/2006/06/08/1620687-sun.html)


 * The additional award information does have more relevance in relation to the Wally Buono article, which is why I left it there in its entirety. A single sentence noting that the award was given, the year the player received it, and what the award is for is more than sufficient for the remainder of the bios. Trust me on this. If you do not feel confident starting an article on the award, but feel that it is notable enough to merit inclusion, you may want to consider suggesting that the article be created at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Canadian football. That particular group of editors is specialized in creating and editing CFL articles and may be able to assist you further. <b style="color:Navy;">Jezebel's</b> Ponyo <sup style="color:Navy;">bons mots 21:26, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!
OK, I trust you on this. Thank you. I think I'll leave wiki while I am ahead or rather have my head. Cmerlino3 (talk) 21:34, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

Fakes
Are people on Wiki allowed to impersonate real people? I'm referring to user Edward.erickson. He's only editing the page of Edward J. Erickson and he's making major grammar and syntax mistakes. I've talked to Erickson through e-mails in the past and read his work. I know that he wouldn't make English mistakes in an edit of his own page. Is it possible to check his IP address to see if it's the same as any other user? Thanks. TheDarkLordSeth (talk) 20:06, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
 * If you have a strong suspicion that the editor is impersonating Mr. Erickson, then the best way forward would be to post a report at Usernames for administrator attention explaining your concerns. I don't do a lot of admin work with regard to usernames and the admins there are much more adept at analyzing and responding to these types of situations. <b style="color:Navy;">Jezebel's</b> Ponyo <sup style="color:Navy;">bons mots 20:15, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
 * He haven't done much yet. I think it's more about someone creating an alt to make a specific edit rather than someone impersonating Erickson. I'll know that if he ever decides to use the talk page. Thanks for pointing me at the right direction. TheDarkLordSeth (talk) 20:55, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I have my eye on the article and the editor's talk page as well. If the COI editing continues without any attempt at discussion then I'll take a closer look. --<b style="color:Navy;">Jezebel's</b> Ponyo <sup style="color:Navy;">bons mots 20:58, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

erickson article editing
Sent to info-en-q@wiki ---

Dear Wiki, Please refer to the dispute over my editing changes to Edward J. Erickson - VIEWS. See link below. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Edward.erickson&redirect=no Some clown calling himself Darklordseth claims that he knows me personally. He does not. He keeps deleting the following phrase from the VIEWS part of the article: ", however, as a matter of fact his writing is limited to the Armenian rebellion and nowhere does Erickson address the genocide issue." This is a factual phrase. I wrote it and it accurately describes my work. As a matter of accuracy regarding my "views", I would like the phrase included and I would like it to remain unaltered. Can you assist me by verifiying my identity and then blocking anyone from changing the phrase? Thank you in advance. Sincerely, Edward J. Erickson [redact] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Edward.erickson (talk • contribs) 00:03, 22 October 2011 (UTC)

I am Erickson himself. Have you ever read any of my work? The changes regarding my views by "DarkLordSeth" are flat wrong. It's just that simple. The citations listed do not justify his edits. I ought to know as I wrote the books! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Edward.erickson (talk • contribs) 00:02, 21 October 2011 (UTC)
 * As this is a content dispute, the article talk page is the correct venue for noting inconsistencies or perceived errors with regard to articles on yourself or subjects with which your are affiliated. The changes you would like to make can be discussed openly amongst interested editors and the article updated according to the output from the talk page discussion. Please also read WP:AUTO in order to review the guidelines for editing an article wherein you are the subject. If, after discussing the issue on the talk page, an agreement cannot be reached as how best to represent information in the article, there are additional steps for dispute resolution that can be taken. --<b style="color:Navy;">Jezebel's</b> Ponyo <sup style="color:Navy;">bons mots 14:17, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

Removal of valid, valuable content. Please review and reconsider...
Ponyo, I hope this finds you well.

My name is Dr. Noah Arthur Bardach. I am an art-historian specializing in post-Revolutionary Mexican political graphics, with a special emphasis on works by leftist political graphics collectives, including the Taller de Gráfica Popular (TGP). In addition to my doctoral work, I served as an Expert in the Prints and Photographs Division of the Library of Congress and have consulted with many major institutions on their collections of works by the TGP.

I maintain a free, non-commercial, academic website (Gráfica Mexicana), which provides access to the most comprehensive catalog available of works by the TGP. This catalog of more than 4200 entries is database-driven and also includes nearly 150 images of works by members of the TGP. The catalog is an invaluable resource for scholars of Mexican political graphics, providing a central point of reference for the examination of both individual artists and the group as a whole.

You recently removed a number of pointers to this site from the Extrenal Links section of articles about the Taller de Gráfica Popular and its individual members. These links referenced Gráfica Mexicana and cited the number of cataloged works from the specific artist that can be viewed there. I believe these are valid, non-pomotional pointers (again, the site is academic in nature and free of charge, nor does it support adveristing of any kind) that are viable and valuable information.

Could you please explain the rationale behind your action? If, perhaps, you misjudged the nature of these links, please replace my edits at your soonest convenience.

I look forward to hearing from you. [redact]

Thank you, Dr. Bardach — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nbardach (talk • contribs) 19:28, 22 October 2011 (UTC)
 * When an account or an IP editor's only edits are to place the same link across multiple articles it gives the appearance of promotion and/or spam. There are many guidelines that are used to help determine which external links should be used in an article - they can be found here. The specific guideline that resulted in the removal of the links is #13 in this list. In addition, there is a direct conflict of interest when you add a link to a website or organization with which you are affiliated. If, after reading through the information and links I've provided above, you still believe the links should be added to the various articles, please request feed back at External links/Noticeboard (you can use the same information you provided me above if you'd like, but please do not include the personal contact information). The editors there have experience in evaluating external links and determining which should be included in articles.<b style="color:Navy;">Jezebel's</b> Ponyo <sup style="color:Navy;">bons mots 20:00, 22 October 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for your prompt and informative reply. I think I understand, now, why the links where removed. I will rewrite them with the guidelines in mind, using deep links to specific content wherever possible (as per #13). With regard to COI, I have no personal, commercial or financial interest in driving traffic to Gráfica Mexicana. Rather, my goal is to improve the information on Wikipedia and to make available information about the subjects therein to scholars and those interested in the subject. I believe this is in compliance with the COI guidelines you pointed me to. Once again, thanks for your attetion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nbardach (talk • contribs) 21:04, 22 October 2011 (UTC)

Just added an External Link to the article for Arturo García Bustos. I would love your opinion/feedback. Please advise. Thanks! Noah — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.110.49.131 (talk) 22:20, 23 October 2011 (UTC)

audio interviews
Hi there! I just joined Wikipedia recently and today I have been adding some audio interviews to some articles from a site that I found really enlightening. I realize that Wikipedia doesn't want spam or advertising, but I also know that there have been many other interviews on Wiki as well under external links, so I don't understand why what I added has been removed. These conversations with the people I added to have been very interesting and I thought pretty helpful in seeing new and upcoming information regarding popular fictions. Is there a way to correct this? I really think that these audio interviews are just as informative or exciting as other written interviews that have been posted under external links. Thanks, and have a great rest of the day. Best, Keelymacd (talk) 22:12, 29 October 2011 (UTC)Keelymacd
 * Hello Keelymacd. Another editor had the same query as you elsewhere on my talk page, so I will repeat the response as it applies to your links as well. When an account or an IP editor's only edits are to place the same link across multiple articles it gives the appearance of promotion and/or spam. There are many guidelines that are used to help determine which external links should be used in an article - they can be found here. The specific guideline that resulted in the removal of the links is #13 in this list. In addition, there is a direct conflict of interest when you add a link to a website or organization with which you are affiliated. If, after reading through the information and links I've provided above, you still believe the links should be added to the various articles, please request feed back at External links/Noticeboard (you can use the same information you provided me above if you'd like, but please do not include the personal contact information). The editors there have experience in evaluating external links and determining which should be included in articles. --<b style="color:Navy;">Jezebel's</b> Ponyo <sup style="color:Navy;">bons mots 15:02, 30 October 2011 (UTC)

Trick or treat!
Thank you for that - there's no better way to start the day than on a sugar high! --<b style="color:Navy;">Jezebel's</b> Ponyo <sup style="color:Navy;">bons mots 14:09, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

Joseph Brodsky
Hi Ponyo. Happy Halloween. I wonder if you could swing by Brodsky talk page. We are trying to determine the poet's nationality via WP:OPENPARA, tussling with ethnicity/citizenship/nationality question and not getting too far. Brodsky left the Soviet Union and settled in the States, taking up citizenship there and never going back east. A third opinion on the Openpara would be useful, if you have a moment. Thanks very much. Span (talk) 16:47, 31 October 2011 (UTC)
 * It appears that some sort of rough consensus as to how to proceed has been reached in the discussion. Although MOSBIO exists as a guideline to how biographies should be written, there will always be special circumstances wherein it makes sense to diverge from the general style. It appears that there is consensus that this is one of those cases. --<b style="color:Navy;">Jezebel's</b> Ponyo <sup style="color:Navy;">bons mots 14:13, 1 November 2011 (UTC)