User talk:Popeyeatucb

December 2010
Please refrain from making unconstructive edits to Wikipedia, as you did at Yamato period. Your edits have been reverted or removed. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. Thank you. (diff) ―― Phoenix7777 (talk) 09:44, 27 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Hi, and welcome to Wikipedia! I saw the exchange over at User:Phoenix7777's talk page (I have a tendency to watch the talk pages of people I've interacted with before).  I took a look at the edit referenced above, and I agree with User:Magog the Ogre that your edit was not vandalism, and Phoenix7777 should not have put the above message.  Nonetheless, your edit wasn't quite appropriate per Wikipedia's policies, either, and I thought I'd help you out with some discussion of how our policies work for your future reference.  In this case, the relevant policy is WP:NPOV, which states that all Wikipedia articles must be neutral.  In many cases, as in Yamato period, there are a variety of different opinions in the real world about the information, which is fine, and our articles should certainly reflect the diversity of opinions.  It's important, though, that when something is the opinion of a single person or group of people, that we are sure to attribute that opinion to the proper place.  In the case of the info you added, the claim that present-day Japan was founded by Koreans in the 4th century is a legitimate academic claim that some historians take seriously.  It is not, however, a claim that all historians agree with.  As such, we have to be sure attribute those controversial claims to the right group of people.  In this instance, it seemed to me that the best way to attribute it was to "some historians, such as Stephen Turnbull" (or whatever exact phrase I used), since then we know specifically who it is that is making that claim.  Details on this can be found in the section of NPOV called WP:ATTRIBUTEPOV.  If you had an article that was an academic review of a large number of historical analyses of the period, and that review article said that many different studies had found this and it was the widely accepted theory, then we could be more confident in stating that the claim is one that is "true".  But, for right now, all we have is a single historian making the claim, and, as such, we need to be careful not to state it as if it were a "fact".  If you have any questions about this, feel free to ask me here or on my talk page.  I've also added Yamato period to my watchlist, so if you make comments on that article's talk page, I'll see them there, too.  Finally, I'm going to add an automated message below that gives you links to a variety of starter info that you may find helpful as a new editor.  Again, welcome! 23:10, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

Welcome!

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Your edit to Yamato period
Popeyeatucb, as you already noticed, I posted a discussion regarding your edit to Yamato period. If you cannot provide corresponding page numbers and direct quotes, you are considered to admit your references are hoax. So please provide a requested information if you are not guilty of such an accusation. Otherwise I will bring this case to WP:ANI and your will be blocked from editing. Thank you.

P.S. You can discard your user name and create a new account. However if you are identified as a sockpuppet of Popeyeatucb, you may be banned from editing for an indefinite period of time. ―― Phoenix7777 (talk) 13:04, 31 December 2010 (UTC)