User talk:Post-Grungefan

I like editing things on Wikipedia. I like to check things and edited on them. If they are fake I will not put that. For example is they say this band is a genre that is not I will change that. Changing things are good because then you could check yourself and see if things are right. I like Wikipedia and I wanted to make it more true than a False Source.

December 2012
Welcome to Wikipedia. I have noticed that some of your recent genre changes, such as the one you made to Home (Daughtry song), have conflicted with our neutral point of view and verifiability policies. While we invite all users to contribute constructively to Wikipedia, we urge all editors to provide reliable sources for edits made. When others disagree, we recommend you to seek consensus for certain edits. Thank you. Aspects (talk) 23:24, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

Pointers about talk page use and removing sourced information

 * 1) For future reference, you want to make sure that, when you message other users, you write on their "talk page", not their "User page". So, for example, with me, you would write me a message at User Talk:Sergecross73, not at User: Sergecross73.
 * 2) Regarding the topic at hand - the genre of Nickelback - one of the main principles of Wikipedia is that information should be based off of what can be verified by reliable sources. As such, a reliable source would typically trump  your personal opinion. In situations where you don't agree with the source, rather than removing it without any real discussion, you should start a discussion on the article's talk page, especially if someone has challenged (re-added) your change (that's what I've done). So, in this case, you should start a discussion at Talk:Nickelback, and only remove the information if there is discussion that leads to the consensus (agreement) that it should be removed. Please follow this. Let me know if you have any questions, or if you want me to start a discussion for you. Thanks.  Sergecross73   msg me   04:32, 13 December 2012 (UTC)

I have been blocked
I been blocked but there is still want thing I want to change. The Nickelback wikipedia and genre saying Pop Rock. A genre that they are not. Just because people hate them it does not mean they are Pop Rock. Goodbye Wikipedia. Oh and Kww stop blocking me each time unless you have a specific reason instead of saying I am a sockpuppets of a person that I am not. Thank You.
 * I wouldn't keep blocking if you didn't keep coming back after you'd been blocked.&mdash;Kww(talk) 01:05, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

I don't really know. Kww just doesn't want me to edit pages. Is there any other way I could edit pages. I have to start new and fresh.
 * There is a process known as a clean start. It involves abandoning all the behaviour that causes problems so that no one can recognize you as the same source of problems that you were before. Your real problem is that you cause trouble. That's what draws my eye. I keep an eye on over 12,000 pages. Think of that: 12,000 pages to keep track of. Your edits are a really tiny little part. Yet, I notice the trouble you cause, look over your edits, and say "Hey ... it's that guy again", and block you. It's the trouble that draws my eye, not some desire to revert edits in articles about Nickelback (to be honest, I don't know if I've ever heard a Nickelback song). In your case, the thing you do is keep trying to delete sourced information about Nickelback because you disagree with it. Strangely enough, you seem to be the only person that disagrees with it, so when you take it out, I can easily recognize you. As long as you keep editing Nickelback articles this way, I will always recognize you. If you want to make a clean start, the key is to stop editing Nickelback articles and stop removing sourced information.&mdash;Kww(talk) 03:29, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

I would really want to change the Pop Rock genre. I do disagree with that. Also I want to start new. How do I abandon all of the behaviors. The Nickelback page has to be changed for the better. I did alot of mistakes in the past. I just want to edit to put some real source.
 * Can't have both, I'm afraid. There's no license to remove sourced information from all over the Nickelback articles that anyone could give you. That's why I blocked your first account (Drecool1, I think), and if you want to keep doing it, the blocks will just keep happening.&mdash;Kww(talk) 03:48, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

Music genre notes
Beyond the many many issues that Kww and I have already raised, above all, you should realize some things about music genre/classifications. Sorry, with a band like this, there's going to be endless sources calling them pop rock, and reliable sources are going to trump baseless, "I think that" type personal opinions every time. Save that for messageboards or your facebook or something. Your personal opinions don't belong here on Wikipedia. Sergecross73  msg me   19:04, 14 December 2012 (UTC)
 * It's very common, regardless of how "heavy" or "soft" a rock band may be, for a band that crosses into the mainstream and sells millions of albums, to be labeled "pop rock"
 * It's very common for bands, when they get their ballads/slow songs on Adult Contemporary and Pop music stations, like Far Away (Nickelback song), Photograph (Nickelback song), for them to be considered "pop rock".
 * Whenever a band sticks to extremely standardized song structures (Verse, chorus verse chorus etc) (ie, when songs are this alike.) they're likely to be called "pop rock".

Alot of Rock bands get massive play on other radio stations. Bands like creed, 3 doors down, staind and many more make songs that get massive play on the aldult contomporary. You do not see people putting those bands into the Pop Rock category. Nickelback does not belong there. A song like Photograph is considered Post-grunge and Alternative Rock because of influences. Pop Rock are artists like Maroon 5 or Avril Lavinge.Pop Rock is like dance music. Nickelback has never been that. Do they sound like dancing music to you? Nope just a Post-grunge band with influences. If you want to check more about music go to the Pop Rock wikipedia. Please reply back and always thank your time.
 * Those artists don't have the "Pop rock" label, no, but I bet a number of them, especially with some of the softer singles that band's like 3 Doors Down put out, could probably pretty easily be added with reliable sources, if someone really wanted to. I'm very aware what pop rock sounds like, and it's not very much of a stretch to add Nickelback in there when they release singles like "When We Stand Together" - it's got a very soft, poppy sound. In the scheme of music in it's entirety, they're not that far away from something Maroon 5 (Being "danceable" is not a requirement for something being "pop rock" either.)


 * Anyways, again, the bigger issue is that you keep on making changes without discussing or finding consensus on the talk page, and you keep on removing information that is supported by reliable sources. Reliable sources will trump your undiscussed, unsupported personal opinions every time on Wikipedia if someone challenges it. Sometimes you can have discussions that end up in deciding that a source isn't reliable or isn't accurrate, but since you've never followed through on a discussion to the point that a consensus was found, you've never even gotten to that point. If you keep going about it the way you you've done so far, you're just going to keep getting the same results --  your edits will be undone and you'll be blocked.  Sergecross73   msg me   15:31, 17 December 2012 (UTC)