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Android 18 and 17
Yeah it probably would include them. Despite their names, they're mostly cyborgs. So yeah, go ahead. Add it VelocityEX 01:44, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

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Someguy1221
Don't bother me with every account you find that is named similar to mine. I don't care. – Someguy0830 (T | C) 21:18, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Don't arbitrarily remove comments. Someguy has a point, most people don't appreciate accusations of sockpuppetry... would you? Think more carefully before you go with the baseless accusations again. Also, I've learned you need someone to be firm (but fair) with you, so if this is what you're going to use popups for then I'll take them off you. --Deskana (request backup)  22:30, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

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Romanji
Romanji is taking the Japanese language and translating it directly (phonetically) to the Latin alphabet (aka the Roman alphabet). This is a process called transliteration, or more specifically, romanization. There are a number of ways to do this, but the standard on Wikipedia is to use Hepburn romanization. There are three cases that trump the usage of Hepburn. Firstly, if there are official, English alternatives, we use those. Secondly, if there are different, official romaji spellings, we use those (despite our personal loathing for them, see Kuroud and Noba). Finally, it is possible to see popular usage and identification overrule the first two rules (As in the use of shinigami over Soul Reaper). –Gunslinger47 18:06, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I see. So, how should the attacks be named and listed on the Dragon Ball abilities page? I asked Someguy0830 to comment on this talk page since he was the one (if I remember correctly) who had ninjutsu in Naruto (which was once a Japanese list) completely changed to separate English only lists. I wonder, do you have any suggestions as to how the techniques on the Dragon Ball attack list page should be named? Should they be traditional, revised, or modified Hepburn Romaji? Or should they just be named as they were in the Japanese manga/anime? These options seem best to decide on. perhaps there are others though. Also, just curious, do you know more about Naruto or the Dragon Ball series? Power level (Dragon Ball) 18:20, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
 * The Funimation dubs are approximately 1,000,002 times more popular among English speaking viewers than subtitled versions. Use the most commonly accepted terms.  There are only a few areas where this will be a problem, such as with the Genki Dama and other places where Funimation used different terminology than prior dubbing groups.  Dragon Ball GT is also a trouble area, as many Internet-based English fans viewed it through subtitles in the '90s and can prefer Japanese terms.  Anyway, if there is disagreement, default to Funimation while you try to reach a consensus on the talk pages for a possible switch.
 * On your second question, I know Dragon Ball well, having watched DB, DBGT and half of DBZ in subtitles, then later in dubs, plus reading the entire manga series. I also participated in many (rather lengthy) conversations on various Dragon Ball nuances.  That all said, it's been a while since and some of my recollections might be foggy.  As for Naruto, I'm new to it, having been following it only since around Q3 of '06.  I've read the manga, watched all the subs (sans the filler hell, which I skipped for the most part) and am watching the dubs as they come out. –Gunslinger47 18:39, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I neither watch or read Dragon Ball to any fine enough extent to be concerned. It should go by the most well-known terms, which would be English. – Someguy0830 (T | C) 01:32, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Hello !
No in fact I don't actually speak portuguese, I'm just using babelfish to try to say things when I'm dealing with a vandal or when I have to justify my edits, but I don't speak portuguese at all. I only went there to correct the power levels (I also went on the italian wikipedia, without speaking a word of italian ^^).

No, on the portuguese wiki, there doesn't seem to be a warning system as elaborated as here (one of the difficulty is also that I can't really read portuguese).

As for warning admins, well, it's still a language problem, I'd like to present the case as best as I can (in order to be well understood, so that I'm not mistakenly blocked ^^) however using babelfish doesn't seem the best way to me...If you can do anything to help me against this user (Leonhart), it's welcome ;) Folken de Fanel 13:41, 6 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Of course it won't be concidered as sockpuppetry ! Even if they have the same base, all the wikis are different entities, each with their own view on how to lead Wikipedia, etc. They are all different, so don't worry !


 * I only use the same user name because I'm too lazy to try to find something else, that's all ^^ . Folken de Fanel 18:38, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Long overdue reply
Hey there thanks for asking my opinion in this matter, but unfortunately I was moving and had to change the internet account and it took them a while to install it back, but I'm finally back online. About your question I know you took care of it already and I think it was a good choice, they after all are genetically enginered; I'm going to see what's happening whith the DB pages see you around -Dark Dragon Flame 20:31, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Question
You've been having fun with VP, haven't you? Yuser31415 (Editor review two!) 03:50, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Not bad as such. It's just you appear to have welcomed a medium-sized pile of users who had no contributions whatever - the problem with that is that accounts being used solely for vandalism will get welcomed, and think their edits are acceptable :). Yuser31415 (Editor review two!) 03:58, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I do welcome users - after I've seen their contributions. For example, I will often pick up newcomers (or vandals) on Special:Recentchanges. For an example, see . Cheers! Yuser31415 (Editor review two!) 04:05, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Goku's Height
I was contacted yesterday by an user that brought me a rather interesting dilema about the character's height, it seems the japanese Wikipedia (I know it's a Wiki and it could be wrong but...) has him labeled as 175cm instead of 170cm as our english Dainzeshuu says, I took my time and went on to look for some japanese Dragon Ball web pages and I found that some of them (that weren't taking info from the Wiki) actually have it marked as 175cm wich I found somewhat interesting, do you think it's possible that the english Daizenshuu has an typo I don't think it has but maybe we can get a few scans of the original japanese Daizenshuu to clear all doubts, what do you think should be done? -Dark Dragon Flame 17:16, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

No official one that I know of but there is one that I have it's unoficial (but it's accurate) I downloaded it a few years back that one has been quoted a few times here, sorry about not writing it as "english Dainzenshuu" but that one states it as 170cm and I'm sure the japanese one has it as 170cm too (I only saw the original one in the flesh once) but what I'm saying is that maybe we can dig a little further to clear all doubts -Dark Dragon Flame 17:32, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

And Jrapidfire says he is not a fanboy, I hope he gets the ban this time he has been excused too many times before -Dark Dragon Flame 18:11, 8 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Just letting you know Jrapidfire just got indef blocked by Deathphoenix --Dark Dragon Flame 18:18, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Jrapidfire autoblock question
I'm pretty sure I autoblocked the IP as I do it out of habit, though the flag looked a little different in the block log. However, I actually checked the autoblock log already and noticed that an IP address was already autoblocked at the exact same timestamp as my block. I already placed a lock on account creation. If, however, other sockpuppets come along making the same edits as Jrapidfire, feel free to let me know (or mark it down in the ANI thread) and I or another admin will block the sock as well. Block the sock. Sounds like a song, doesn't it? --Deathphoenix ʕ 18:28, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I like that: "Block the Sock". That should be a motto or slogan on WP:SOCK. Also, just curious, are you [administrators] able to find out a user's IP address just by viewing their "flags", or does it require a block in order to see 'em? Power level (Dragon Ball) 18:34, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
 * hahaha... yeah, that would be a nice slogan there. No, due to privacy concerns, the IP address doesn't show up in the autoblock logs, but rather a hashed number. This hashed number can still be unblocked to undo any autoblocks responsible for collateral damage on innocent users, but such hashed numbers are completely independent of their IP addresses and not identifiable in any way. Only those users with CheckUser access can see the IP addresses behind a user. --Deathphoenix ʕ 18:41, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
 * P.S. Take a look here for the "hashed number" representing the IP address of the blocked user. --Deathphoenix ʕ 18:42, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Done move
I did the move! &mdash;the preceding comment is by WhisperToMe (talk • contribs) WhisperToMe: Please sign your posts!.
 * Thank you. Power level (Dragon Ball) 01:19, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Action figure‎
Please stop reverting the page Action figure‎, If you are not careful you'll break the 3 per day reverting rule. And yes the only Dragon Ball Z action figures that were meant for kids were the Jakks Pacific ones when they first started off, they are now designed for collectors. Soccer figures are not as big as DBZ figures and that's a fact You don't hear of many people saying they want soccer figures but with Dragon Ball Z you do. User:OJHomer
 * That sounds like nothing but original research to me. How old are you anyways? Oh right, you can't respond back because you've been blocked indefinitely. In all seriousness though, I hope you really change your ways Recoome after your block expires and don't end up like "your friend" Zarbon, as you claimed to be a meatpuppet of... I'm so glad that I've mended my ways...

Your recent request for checkuser
You recently compiled and listed a case at request for checkuser. A checkuser or clerk has asked that you list the code letter which matches with the violations of policy, which is listed at the top of the request for checkuser page. This has been implemented to reduce difficulties for checkusers, and is essential for your case to be processed in a timely manner. A link to your recently-created case which has this information missing is here. Thanks for your co-operation. Daniel.Bryant 05:37, 10 February 2007 (UTC), checkuser clerk.


 * Oh, I get it (I think), you just put the letter next to the violation that fits with the situation like:A: Request to identify and block the IP addresses responsible for blatant vandalism and attack accounts-- SU IT  -n-tie 06:43, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

That guy again.
Look at this (all the way at the bottom). He's getting kind of annoying-- SU IT  -n-tie 07:29, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Ha!
Maybe you should check out OWN considering that pic was there before your soccer pic was put up. Don't tell me the soccer toy is more popular than the Zarbon figure. DBZ figures are more popular than childrens soccer toys. BTW the reason I know so much about Wikipedia is because I bothered to check it out before I joined, unlike yourself. User:OJHomer
 * Why are you bothering Power level?-- SU IT  -n-tie 07:47, 10 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Excuse me he was the one who started this he's the one who is bothering me. User:OJHomer
 * Want a hand, PLDB? Yuser31415 (Editor review two!) 22:47, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Don't worry about that OJHomer fool. He was blocked indefinitely for being a likely sockpuppet of User:Recoome, who, in actuallity, is either an unconfirmed sockpuppet or meatpuppet of User:Zarbon... Power level (Dragon Ball) 21:20, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Checkuser
I replied on my talk page. Cheers, Yuser31415 (Editor review two!) 22:48, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Title capitalization
Please read The Japanese Manual of Style page for the answer to your question. ALLCAPS trademarks are capitalized as normal words in Wikipedia's articles. This is why we have Bleach (manga) rather than BLEACH. --tjstrf talk 18:27, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
 * It's much simpler than that: we do not ALLCAPS trademarks in articles or titles. The reason there is no separate Bleach (anime) article is unrelated to this, we simply don't have one because there would be nothing unique to say about it. They aren't substantially different subjects. Unlike, for example, Fullmetal Alchemist, where the anime spirals off into weird alternate dimension land permanently instead of following the manga plot. --tjstrf talk 18:56, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
 * The GONZO article is at the wrong title. Ideally it would be at Gonzo, but that is already occupied by another article. So instead it should be at Gonzo (studio). --tjstrf talk 19:05, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I already pointed you to WP:MOS-JA, correct? There is also WP:MOS-TM, which lays out quite explicitly that we do not ALLCAPS trademarks in article titles. I also moved the Gonzo page for you. --tjstrf talk 19:15, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
 * There are no Manual of Style policies, we just have guidelines. Policies are reserved for things that really matter, like rules where violating them is a blockable offense and major ideological issues. --tjstrf talk 19:22, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Asking me will not make tjstrf suddenly wrong. He's got guidelines backing him. Accept what tjstrf has told you, because it is standard practice. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 19:49, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I think you're misconstruing him, actually. He asked you first, and since I saw from my watch list that you apparently weren't editing at the time, I volunteered my help. --tjstrf talk 20:23, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Must remember to check time codes. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 20:29, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
 * All-caps are commonly used in titles like this because it's easier for a Japanese viewer to read. Even Naruto has this issue to some extent.  You can see the debate here: Talk:Naruto/Archive 2. –Gunslinger47 20:29, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

VIZ Media should probably be moved to Viz Media. In regards to check user, it looks like your report is formatted properly but I don't have too much experience there. --tjstrf talk 20:36, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Moved and double redirects fixed. --tjstrf talk 20:52, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Demi Glaze
You speedied this article, and I changed it to a redirect to Demi-glace, which is the correct spelling. You put a speedy tag on the article but your warning to the creator linked to a redlinked AfD page... could be confusing for a new user. Just thought I'd let you know... -FisherQueen (Talk) 21:33, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

RE:NPWatcher
Here - Patricknoddy 23:29, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
 * No, you will not have popups, check the main page to see more about the program. - Patricknoddy 19:29, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Sorry about the Moves List thing...
Someone said on the talk page of wikiproject Dragon Ball that someone changed all the attack names to the English names that were used. I first checked the talk page topics on the list and didn't notice any topics about it (although later I went back and found out that there WAS a topic on it, but the title didn't look like it was), so I assumed it was someone doing this without discussing it and reverted the article. Again, sorry about that. Takuthehedgehog 23:59, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Attacks and incivility
As I'm sure you're well aware, you need to be civil and not attack people. Well, calling someone a dick like you did here is unacceptable. Do NOT call people dicks. Taunting and making comments with no intention other than to wind the user up is not good. --Deskana (request backup)  18:41, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Referring to Don't be a dick is one thing, saying "You really are a dick" is another. Don't do it. --Deskana (request backup)  22:00, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Power of flight
Hi! Thanks for your post. My comment about renaming that category has more to do with the way its supercategory (Fictional characters with the power of flight) works than it does with specific wings/magic logistics. The aftermentioned category includes Miles "Tails" Prower, who of course can fly but doesn't have "power" per se. But you bring up a good point, that the name of the category ends up being a nonsequitor when you see the types of characters put into them. What it sounds like to me is that both categories should be renamed to Fictional characters/Anime and manga characters "with the ability to fly". --Masamage 22:49, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Sure, I can do that. ^^ Thanks! --Masamage 03:57, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

WP:COOL
Vandalism is very disturbing. But don't let it get to you. Keep your WP:COOL. Hipocrite - &laquo; Talk &raquo; 17:17, 15 February 2007 (UTC)


 * I can't. I'm not an adminstrator. I'm telling you that you will get faster results if you relax. Chill. Hipocrite - &laquo; Talk &raquo; 17:20, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Hipocrite is right. I am an administrator.  When people start yelling, i start doing extra research to make sure it is the right thing to do. Please keep your WP:COOL. Remeber, they will do no damage that cannot be reversed. -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 17:35, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Vandalism?
I'm confused by your (rather dramatic) accusations of vandalism on 125.164.161.204 / 125.164.161.33. What vandalism are you referring to? I don't believe that creating a new catch-all category to group together a large number of related subcategories counts as vandalism, though you seem to've been rather intent on reverting that change. Any particular reason why you didn't like that idea? Also, although his renaming of the Manga and Anime category to Anime and Mange was a bit premature, the rename proposal to do exactly that is uncontested so far and likely to pass without a problem in a few days, so that's not exactly "vandalism" either. Finally, I think that your "sockpuppet" accusations might've also been a bit of an overreaction, since both are IP addresses within the same IP range, it's more likely that they're either just a couple computers within a computer lab (and he doesn't always sit at the same one) or he's on a dial-up IP that assigns from a group each time he connects, giving him a different IP now than he had before. Hardly fits the definition of a sock-puppet though. Just my two cents... --Maelwys 17:35, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

IPs
I will issue a warning and try to keep an eye on them. The best idea is if you catch them doing it again, report them to WP:AIV so they can be blocked during the vandalism.--Isotope23 17:54, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Actually, there is no reason for me to warn them because you've already issued a final warning. If it happens again, report to WP:AIV and mention they have been issued a final warning.  Thanks.--Isotope23 17:57, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Issue a warning for what? I still haven't found any actual evidence of intent to vandalize here. The complaints seem to be that the anon user added links to a category that hadn't yet been created (but is completely reasonable to create, he probably just forgot to make the blank page to remove the redlink), and jumped the gun on a category renaming request that hadn't quite closed yet (but is 5 days old without any opposition yet, so will most likely pass with no problem). I think it might make more sense for Power level to remember WP:AGF and leave the anon alone, at least from what I've seen... --Maelwys 17:58, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
 * It might be WP:AGF, but some of these changes are ridiculous, even if well intentioned.--Isotope23 18:02, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Again, an existing category rename request that somebody else submitted, has been supported (with no opposition) and he jumped the gun on carrying out. How is that ridiculous? Personally, I think that a category named "Avifauna" is ridiculous, when the word "Birds" will suffice (and be much more readable to most people). --Maelwys 18:05, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Me
I replied on my talk page but you never said anything back. Did you want something? --Deskana (request backup)  19:19, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Re: Raditz
By Dragon Ball editor standards: no. By my own personal standards: yes. Raditz is only notable for the purpose he served, not for the things he's done. ~SnapperTo 19:35, 16 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Firstly, you need to drop the habit of commenting because you aren't getting a response fast enough; people do have other things to do. As for a "translation", my comment meant that if I were to use my personal judgment, I'd merge his article with the list of Saiyans. If, however, I were to follow the belief that every character who has been alive for more than one episode deserves an article, I'd let him keep his article. Raditz contributed to the series only as a character who forced a number of things to happened, each of which could have been done without him. He is similar in importance to Nail; and you can ponder that comparison as you please because I won't be clarifying further. ~SnapperTo 19:50, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Vandalproof Question
Sorry I couldn't get back to you sooner as I was at school. Are you just going to the main article page? From there you can't change vandalism, however you can from a page you select from one of the tabs on the left. So, for example, you click on a page from the recent changes tab. If you are doing this and it still doesn't work you should ask here at the vandalproof discussion page. Hope I helped. :-) Imaninjapiratetalk to me 21:37, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Your "Here" links to the article page. But whatever... Power level (Dragon Ball) 21:47, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Wowwww, that was dumb of me. here. Imaninjapiratetalk to me 04:24, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Dragon Ball characters
Howdy Power level.

Yeah, I didn't finish populating it, I had to go out for a bit. Category:Magic users in comics is part of Category:Fictional magic users, so by having it, you've already associated them. As best I can recall, there's a Wikipedia policy on avoiding more generalized parent categories if you can (to prevent people from listing every single parent category since they're all valid. Piccolo is a "Dragon Ball" character, a "manga and anime character", a "fictional character", a "fictional being", a piece of "fiction" etc.). Piccolo used telekinesis in the anime only; he lifted Gohan up telekenetically right after the defeat of Raditz. Beowulph 05:02, 17 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Hi Power Level.


 * I'm not sure if we have a policy or rule for categorization in stuff that happened in the anime only, you should probably take that one up with the Dragon Ball Wikiproject to get a consensus on it. It can be said though that a portrayal of Piccolo used telekinesis, so I wouldn't be opposed to adding the category.  I should probably remove that "Users I keep an eye on" section.  I put that up when I was having a rough time with Zarbon (constant revert wars etc.), I actually haven't been an active monitor in quite some time now. Beowulph 05:20, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

List of fictional characters who can resurrect themselves
Hi, I note that you created Category:List of fictional characters who can resurrect themselves. Firstly, what's the difference between this and its head category Fictional imortals? Second, if it's to be kept, then it should be renamed without the words "List of", so I propose to list it at WP:CFD. (The word List is used for articles that are lists, not categories.) First, I'll give you the chance to expand the category and write something on its page about what makes it useful and distinctive, as there are strict-minded contributors at CFD might think it should be deleted rather than renamed. - Fayenatic london (talk) 08:33, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I see that other people have started what I had in mind already! It's stated here that the category used to exist by some name or other and has already been discussed and deleted, although it may be hard to track down the original.  You could ask User:Doczilla about that since he pointed out that it was a re-creation.  Anyway, it's clear to me that what David Kernow meant to suggest to you was that you create an article with the name List of..., not a category.  I suggest you go along with that recommendation.  You can insert some text at the top explaining its distinctive purpose.  Once the article exists and has some stuff on it, put a link on the category page to the article, assuming the category is still there by that time. David implied that if it develops into a good article then it may justify re-creating the category for keeps.  Fayenatic london (talk) 18:12, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Dragonabll Wiki

 * Hi there. I noticed you're a member of Wikiproject Dragonball, and I'm trying to recruit some people from that to contribute to the Dragon Ball Wiki. It's in terrible shape right now with pretty much no consistency or policies, and only this week have I been able to get Angela and Sannse to create some Forums for us over there. I've got a proposed Manual of Style going over there and would like some people to contribute to that to set up some policies and start making the wiki bigger, better, and more intelligible/consistent. If you're interested, please hop on over or talk to me. Thanks for the time, whether you're interested or not. Wildyoda 02:29, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Nemu
I'm not really surprised that he went ahead with that, I checked his edit history and it seems that's all he does, not only on the Dragon Ball pages but everywhere he goes, however it seems he is obssesed over these now, maybe we should ask an administrator (how about Deskana he is a member of WP:DBZ after all) to talk to him, because he is really becoming a nuisance. -Dark Dragon Flame 19:14, 20 February 2007 (UTC)


 * I already went and told Deskana about Nemu's behaviour, maybe we should see if he waits for consensus afterwards, if not we report him. -Dark Dragon Flame 20:01, 20 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I hope he gets it after an admin. explains it to him and stops acting on his own. -Dark Dragon Flame 20:18, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Oh. My. God. Are you serious? If you didn't see it, there was a movement to merge the lists on the project page. You're just being petty now. There is no need to discuss such junk. Come on, it's a list of characters on one episode of a show. If that isn't cruft, I don't know what is. Nemu 20:53, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Nemu has good points-- SU IT  -n-tie 04:14, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Image Sash Thing
It's a pointless image because you randomly stick it somewhere just to show what a sash looks like. ~SnapperTo 03:53, 21 February 2007 (UTC)


 * First: it's a sash. People don't need to know what it looks like. Second: the paragraph relevant to the 12 Guard Ninjas of Fire is six paragraphs above where you put it. If it needs to go somewhere (which it doesn't), it should go there. ~SnapperTo 03:59, 21 February 2007 (UTC)


 * What he said. As Snapper so elegantly points out on TTN's talk page, "Power Level has always been very set in his viewpoints, and doesn't give-up until he's outnumbered or an admin tells him to stop." As you have yet to change this annoying behavior, maybe the two of us telling you to knock it off will stop you. An image of a sash is unnecessary. It's a sash. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 04:03, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
 * As for the 3RR thing, since you like to Wikilawyer eternally instead of being reasonable, you'll get the same in kind. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 04:04, 21 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Did you miss the part where I said it doesn't need to be in the article? ~SnapperTo 04:08, 21 February 2007 (UTC)


 * It's just a sash. It doesn't need an image. People can watch the show and see it instantly. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 04:09, 21 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Don't be dense. You know what Wikilawyering is. I'm not going to indulge your feigned ignorance of your own behavior. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 04:10, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh, I'm the ignorant whore?! I see then, why don't I end this little dispute by saying... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... Power level (Dragon Ball) 04:13, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Naruto characters
Everyone in Naruto can do things normal humans can't, but not on a superhuman level. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 18:50, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

And don't do that pestering response thing. I can't answer on your schedule. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 18:51, 21 February 2007 (UTC)


 * No, don't create it. It's redundant and would be CfD'd in no time flat. Every character who has a page is a ninja. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 20:39, 21 February 2007 (UTC)


 * They rarely move at superhuman speeds or exhibit superhuman strength, and it is not a notable aspect of their character. Only those who genuinely exhibits abilities no human should be able to reproduce (Tsunade, Kisame) do they need to have the cat. It defeats the purpose to overpopulate it. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 20:49, 21 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Quit trying to wikilawyer your way into being right. It's irritating. Doing something once or twice doesn't mean anything. Something they can do consistently is. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 20:57, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

(regarding) Someguy seems to be going off on an odd tangent today. I think I see what he's getting at, but it's really irrelevant to the issue at hand. The issue being that of useless categories. Categorization specifies that the ultimate purpose of a category is to help users find information. A good way to think about is that tagging articles with a category is for the category's sake not the article's sake.

You mentioned Dragon Ball's super human category, but if you view this from the perspective of the categories themselves, you'll see why it was appropriate there, and inappropriate here. Category:Dragon Ball superhuman characters is a sub-category of Category:Dragon Ball characters. It was created because the list of characters was too long for a single category. Now, split into more manageable chunks, it will assist anyone browsing the categories. This approach is inappropriate to Category:Naruto characters because there are only thirty-something character pages, making subdivision unnecessary, or even harmful. –Gunslinger47 23:04, 21 February 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm back! So, you feel that it's innapropiate to add the super categories to any of the Naruto characters, even though some of them can do thinhs humans can't do? Power level (Dragon Ball) 00:15, 22 February 2007 (UTC)


 * How would your plan help people find information? All ninja have supernatural abilities, and only characters with supernatural abilities currently have character pages.  What would be the point?  If you're trying to categorize by super-power, then look at Naruto, for example.  He is tagged with this category:
 * Category:Fictional characters
 * Category:Fictional characters by superhuman power
 * Category:Fictional characters with the power to duplicate themselves
 * This is a useful tagging because if someone is searching for characters who can duplicate themselves, they should come across Naruto. I see Kakashi is also tagged with this category, which I disapprove of.  This is not a defining part of his character, thus tagging him will hurt the category rather than harm it, by adding useless entries.  Remember that the presence or lack of a category isn't an attempt to state a fact.  If Kakashi's entry is missing "the power to duplicate himself" as a category, then the article is in no way claiming that he cannot.
 * In summary, explain how you think adding the category would be an improvement to said category. When making a new category, explain why it is necessary and how it'll help people find information.  Do not tag articles as a means of stating facts if doing so would hurt the category your adding to.   –Gunslinger47 07:30, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Quit your accusing stupidity. It does not reflect well on you. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 06:51, 22 February 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm not accusing you of anything. You did it. Shit like this is not only completely unnecessary, it's downright stupid. You had no need to add it. Quit getting all defensive when I call you on your behavior. Revise it. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 07:01, 22 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Just don't do it again. You know better. You've been told before. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 07:08, 22 February 2007 (UTC)


 * That's why it links to the disambiguation page. Your method only serves to confuse readers. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 08:28, 22 February 2007 (UTC)== Android 18 and 17 =, sorry about not writing it as "english Dainzenshuu" but that one states it as 170cm and I'm sure the japanese one has it as 170cm too (I only saw the original one in the flesh once) but what I'm saying is that maybe we can dig a little further to clear all doubts -Dark Dragon Flame 17:32, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

And Jrapidfire says he is not a fanboy, I hope he gets the ban this time he has been excused too many times before -Dark Dragon Flame 18:11, 8 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Just letting you know Jrapidfire just got indef blocked by Deathphoenix --Dark Dragon Flame 18:18, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Jrapidfire autoblock question
I'm pretty sure I autoblocked the IP as I do it out of habit, though the flag looked a little different in the block log. However, I actually checked the autoblock log already and noticed that an IP address was already autoblocked at the exact same timestamp as my block. I already placed a lock on account creation. If, however, other sockpuppets come along making the same edits as Jrapidfire, feel free to let me know (or mark it down in the ANI thread) and I or another admin will block the sock as well. Block the sock. Sounds like a song, doesn't it? --Deathphoenix ʕ 18:28, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I like that: "Block the Sock". That should be a motto or slogan on WP:SOCK. Also, just curious, are you [administrators] able to find out a user's IP address just by viewing their "flags", or does it require a block in order to see 'em? Power level (Dragon Ball) 18:34, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
 * hahaha... yeah, that would be a nice slogan there. No, due to privacy concerns, the IP address doesn't show up in the autoblock logs, but rather a hashed number. This hashed number can still be unblocked to undo any autoblocks responsible for collateral damage on innocent users, but such hashed numbers are completely independent of their IP addresses and not identifiable in any way. Only those users with CheckUser access can see the IP addresses behind a user. --Deathphoenix ʕ 18:41, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
 * P.S. Take a look here for the "hashed number" representing the IP address of the blocked user. --Deathphoenix ʕ 18:42, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Done move
I did the move! &mdash;the preceding comment is by WhisperToMe (talk • contribs) WhisperToMe: Please sign your posts!.
 * Thank you. Power level (Dragon Ball) 01:19, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Action figure‎
Please stop reverting the page Action figure‎, If you are not careful you'll break the 3 per day reverting rule. And yes the only Dragon Ball Z action figures that were meant for kids were the Jakks Pacific ones when they first started off, they are now designed for collectors. Soccer figures are not as big as DBZ figures and that's a fact You don't hear of many people saying they want soccer figures but with Dragon Ball Z you do. User:OJHomer
 * That sounds like nothing but original research to me. How old are you anyways? Oh right, you can't respond back because you've been blocked indefinitely. In all seriousness though, I hope you really change your ways Recoome after your block expires and don't end up like "your friend" Zarbon, as you claimed to be a meatpuppet of... I'm so glad that I've mended my ways...

Your recent request for checkuser
You recently compiled and listed a case at request for checkuser. A checkuser or clerk has asked that you list the code letter which matches with the violations of policy, which is listed at the top of the request for checkuser page. This has been implemented to reduce difficulties for checkusers, and is essential for your case to be processed in a timely manner. A link to your recently-created case which has this information missing is here. Thanks for your co-operation. Daniel.Bryant 05:37, 10 February 2007 (UTC), checkuser clerk.


 * Oh, I get it (I think), you just put the letter next to the violation that fits with the situation like:A: Request to identify and block the IP addresses responsible for blatant vandalism and attack accounts-- SU IT  -n-tie 06:43, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

That guy again.
Look at this (all the way at the bottom). He's getting kind of annoying-- SU IT  -n-tie 07:29, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Ha!
Maybe you should check out OWN considering that pic was there before your soccer pic was put up. Don't tell me the soccer toy is more popular than the Zarbon figure. DBZ figures are more popular than childrens soccer toys. BTW the reason I know so much about Wikipedia is because I bothered to check it out before I joined, unlike yourself. User:OJHomer
 * Why are you bothering Power level?-- SU IT  -n-tie 07:47, 10 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Excuse me he was the one who started this he's the one who is bothering me. User:OJHomer
 * Want a hand, PLDB? Yuser31415 (Editor review two!) 22:47, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Don't worry about that OJHomer fool. He was blocked indefinitely for being a likely sockpuppet of User:Recoome, who, in actuallity, is either an unconfirmed sockpuppet or meatpuppet of User:Zarbon... Power level (Dragon Ball) 21:20, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Checkuser
I replied on my talk page. Cheers, Yuser31415 (Editor review two!) 22:48, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Title capitalization
Please read The Japanese Manual of Style page for the answer to your question. ALLCAPS trademarks are capitalized as normal words in Wikipedia's articles. This is why we have Bleach (manga) rather than BLEACH. --tjstrf talk 18:27, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
 * It's much simpler than that: we do not ALLCAPS trademarks in articles or titles. The reason there is no separate Bleach (anime) article is unrelated to this, we simply don't have one because there would be nothing unique to say about it. They aren't substantially different subjects. Unlike, for example, Fullmetal Alchemist, where the anime spirals off into weird alternate dimension land permanently instead of following the manga plot. --tjstrf talk 18:56, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
 * The GONZO article is at the wrong title. Ideally it would be at Gonzo, but that is already occupied by another article. So instead it should be at Gonzo (studio). --tjstrf talk 19:05, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I already pointed you to WP:MOS-JA, correct? There is also WP:MOS-TM, which lays out quite explicitly that we do not ALLCAPS trademarks in article titles. I also moved the Gonzo page for you. --tjstrf talk 19:15, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
 * There are no Manual of Style policies, we just have guidelines. Policies are reserved for things that really matter, like rules where violating them is a blockable offense and major ideological issues. --tjstrf talk 19:22, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Asking me will not make tjstrf suddenly wrong. He's got guidelines backing him. Accept what tjstrf has told you, because it is standard practice. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 19:49, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I think you're misconstruing him, actually. He asked you first, and since I saw from my watch list that you apparently weren't editing at the time, I volunteered my help. --tjstrf talk 20:23, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Must remember to check time codes. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 20:29, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
 * All-caps are commonly used in titles like this because it's easier for a Japanese viewer to read. Even Naruto has this issue to some extent.  You can see the debate here: Talk:Naruto/Archive 2. –Gunslinger47 20:29, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

VIZ Media should probably be moved to Viz Media. In regards to check user, it looks like your report is formatted properly but I don't have too much experience there. --tjstrf talk 20:36, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Moved and double redirects fixed. --tjstrf talk 20:52, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Demi Glaze
You speedied this article, and I changed it to a redirect to Demi-glace, which is the correct spelling. You put a speedy tag on the article but your warning to the creator linked to a redlinked AfD page... could be confusing for a new user. Just thought I'd let you know... -FisherQueen (Talk) 21:33, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

RE:NPWatcher
Here - Patricknoddy 23:29, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
 * No, you will not have popups, check the main page to see more about the program. - Patricknoddy 19:29, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Sorry about the Moves List thing...
Someone said on the talk page of wikiproject Dragon Ball that someone changed all the attack names to the English names that were used. I first checked the talk page topics on the list and didn't notice any topics about it (although later I went back and found out that there WAS a topic on it, but the title didn't look like it was), so I assumed it was someone doing this without discussing it and reverted the article. Again, sorry about that. Takuthehedgehog 23:59, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Attacks and incivility
As I'm sure you're well aware, you need to be civil and not attack people. Well, calling someone a dick like you did here is unacceptable. Do NOT call people dicks. Taunting and making comments with no intention other than to wind the user up is not good. --Deskana (request backup)  18:41, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Referring to Don't be a dick is one thing, saying "You really are a dick" is another. Don't do it. --Deskana (request backup)  22:00, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Power of flight
Hi! Thanks for your post. My comment about renaming that category has more to do with the way its supercategory (Fictional characters with the power of flight) works than it does with specific wings/magic logistics. The aftermentioned category includes Miles "Tails" Prower, who of course can fly but doesn't have "power" per se. But you bring up a good point, that the name of the category ends up being a nonsequitor when you see the types of characters put into them. What it sounds like to me is that both categories should be renamed to Fictional characters/Anime and manga characters "with the ability to fly". --Masamage 22:49, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Sure, I can do that. ^^ Thanks! --Masamage 03:57, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

WP:COOL
Vandalism is very disturbing. But don't let it get to you. Keep your WP:COOL. Hipocrite - &laquo; Talk &raquo; 17:17, 15 February 2007 (UTC)


 * I can't. I'm not an adminstrator. I'm telling you that you will get faster results if you relax. Chill. Hipocrite - &laquo; Talk &raquo; 17:20, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Hipocrite is right. I am an administrator.  When people start yelling, i start doing extra research to make sure it is the right thing to do. Please keep your WP:COOL. Remeber, they will do no damage that cannot be reversed. -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 17:35, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Vandalism?
I'm confused by your (rather dramatic) accusations of vandalism on 125.164.161.204 / 125.164.161.33. What vandalism are you referring to? I don't believe that creating a new catch-all category to group together a large number of related subcategories counts as vandalism, though you seem to've been rather intent on reverting that change. Any particular reason why you didn't like that idea? Also, although his renaming of the Manga and Anime category to Anime and Mange was a bit premature, the rename proposal to do exactly that is uncontested so far and likely to pass without a problem in a few days, so that's not exactly "vandalism" either. Finally, I think that your "sockpuppet" accusations might've also been a bit of an overreaction, since both are IP addresses within the same IP range, it's more likely that they're either just a couple computers within a computer lab (and he doesn't always sit at the same one) or he's on a dial-up IP that assigns from a group each time he connects, giving him a different IP now than he had before. Hardly fits the definition of a sock-puppet though. Just my two cents... --Maelwys 17:35, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

IPs
I will issue a warning and try to keep an eye on them. The best idea is if you catch them doing it again, report them to WP:AIV so they can be blocked during the vandalism.--Isotope23 17:54, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Actually, there is no reason for me to warn them because you've already issued a final warning. If it happens again, report to WP:AIV and mention they have been issued a final warning.  Thanks.--Isotope23 17:57, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Issue a warning for what? I still haven't found any actual evidence of intent to vandalize here. The complaints seem to be that the anon user added links to a category that hadn't yet been created (but is completely reasonable to create, he probably just forgot to make the blank page to remove the redlink), and jumped the gun on a category renaming request that hadn't quite closed yet (but is 5 days old without any opposition yet, so will most likely pass with no problem). I think it might make more sense for Power level to remember WP:AGF and leave the anon alone, at least from what I've seen... --Maelwys 17:58, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
 * It might be WP:AGF, but some of these changes are ridiculous, even if well intentioned.--Isotope23 18:02, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Again, an existing category rename request that somebody else submitted, has been supported (with no opposition) and he jumped the gun on carrying out. How is that ridiculous? Personally, I think that a category named "Avifauna" is ridiculous, when the word "Birds" will suffice (and be much more readable to most people). --Maelwys 18:05, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Me
I replied on my talk page but you never said anything back. Did you want something? --Deskana (request backup)  19:19, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Re: Raditz
By Dragon Ball editor standards: no. By my own personal standards: yes. Raditz is only notable for the purpose he served, not for the things he's done. ~SnapperTo 19:35, 16 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Firstly, you need to drop the habit of commenting because you aren't getting a response fast enough; people do have other things to do. As for a "translation", my comment meant that if I were to use my personal judgment, I'd merge his article with the list of Saiyans. If, however, I were to follow the belief that every character who has been alive for more than one episode deserves an article, I'd let him keep his article. Raditz contributed to the series only as a character who forced a number of things to happened, each of which could have been done without him. He is similar in importance to Nail; and you can ponder that comparison as you please because I won't be clarifying further. ~SnapperTo 19:50, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Vandalproof Question
Sorry I couldn't get back to you sooner as I was at school. Are you just going to the main article page? From there you can't change vandalism, however you can from a page you select from one of the tabs on the left. So, for example, you click on a page from the recent changes tab. If you are doing this and it still doesn't work you should ask here at the vandalproof discussion page. Hope I helped. :-) Imaninjapiratetalk to me 21:37, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Your "Here" links to the article page. But whatever... Power level (Dragon Ball) 21:47, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Wowwww, that was dumb of me. here. Imaninjapiratetalk to me 04:24, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Dragon Ball characters
Howdy Power level.

Yeah, I didn't finish populating it, I had to go out for a bit. Category:Magic users in comics is part of Category:Fictional magic users, so by having it, you've already associated them. As best I can recall, there's a Wikipedia policy on avoiding more generalized parent categories if you can (to prevent people from listing every single parent category since they're all valid. Piccolo is a "Dragon Ball" character, a "manga and anime character", a "fictional character", a "fictional being", a piece of "fiction" etc.). Piccolo used telekinesis in the anime only; he lifted Gohan up telekenetically right after the defeat of Raditz. Beowulph 05:02, 17 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Hi Power Level.


 * I'm not sure if we have a policy or rule for categorization in stuff that happened in the anime only, you should probably take that one up with the Dragon Ball Wikiproject to get a consensus on it. It can be said though that a portrayal of Piccolo used telekinesis, so I wouldn't be opposed to adding the category.  I should probably remove that "Users I keep an eye on" section.  I put that up when I was having a rough time with Zarbon (constant revert wars etc.), I actually haven't been an active monitor in quite some time now. Beowulph 05:20, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

List of fictional characters who can resurrect themselves
Hi, I note that you created Category:List of fictional characters who can resurrect themselves. Firstly, what's the difference between this and its head category Fictional imortals? Second, if it's to be kept, then it should be renamed without the words "List of", so I propose to list it at WP:CFD. (The word List is used for articles that are lists, not categories.) First, I'll give you the chance to expand the category and write something on its page about what makes it useful and distinctive, as there are strict-minded contributors at CFD might think it should be deleted rather than renamed. - Fayenatic london (talk) 08:33, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I see that other people have started what I had in mind already! It's stated here that the category used to exist by some name or other and has already been discussed and deleted, although it may be hard to track down the original.  You could ask User:Doczilla about that since he pointed out that it was a re-creation.  Anyway, it's clear to me that what David Kernow meant to suggest to you was that you create an article with the name List of..., not a category.  I suggest you go along with that recommendation.  You can insert some text at the top explaining its distinctive purpose.  Once the article exists and has some stuff on it, put a link on the category page to the article, assuming the category is still there by that time. David implied that if it develops into a good article then it may justify re-creating the category for keeps.  Fayenatic london (talk) 18:12, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Dragonabll Wiki

 * Hi there. I noticed you're a member of Wikiproject Dragonball, and I'm trying to recruit some people from that to contribute to the Dragon Ball Wiki. It's in terrible shape right now with pretty much no consistency or policies, and only this week have I been able to get Angela and Sannse to create some Forums for us over there. I've got a proposed Manual of Style going over there and would like some people to contribute to that to set up some policies and start making the wiki bigger, better, and more intelligible/consistent. If you're interested, please hop on over or talk to me. Thanks for the time, whether you're interested or not. Wildyoda 02:29, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Nemu
I'm not really surprised that he went ahead with that, I checked his edit history and it seems that's all he does, not only on the Dragon Ball pages but everywhere he goes, however it seems he is obssesed over these now, maybe we should ask an administrator (how about Deskana he is a member of WP:DBZ after all) to talk to him, because he is really becoming a nuisance. -Dark Dragon Flame 19:14, 20 February 2007 (UTC)


 * I already went and told Deskana about Nemu's behaviour, maybe we should see if he waits for consensus afterwards, if not we report him. -Dark Dragon Flame 20:01, 20 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I hope he gets it after an admin. explains it to him and stops acting on his own. -Dark Dragon Flame 20:18, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Oh. My. God. Are you serious? If you didn't see it, there was a movement to merge the lists on the project page. You're just being petty now. There is no need to discuss such junk. Come on, it's a list of characters on one episode of a show. If that isn't cruft, I don't know what is. Nemu 20:53, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Nemu has good points-- SU IT  -n-tie 04:14, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Image Sash Thing
It's a pointless image because you randomly stick it somewhere just to show what a sash looks like. ~SnapperTo 03:53, 21 February 2007 (UTC)


 * First: it's a sash. People don't need to know what it looks like. Second: the paragraph relevant to the 12 Guard Ninjas of Fire is six paragraphs above where you put it. If it needs to go somewhere (which it doesn't), it should go there. ~SnapperTo 03:59, 21 February 2007 (UTC)


 * What he said. As Snapper so elegantly points out on TTN's talk page, "Power Level has always been very set in his viewpoints, and doesn't give-up until he's outnumbered or an admin tells him to stop." As you have yet to change this annoying behavior, maybe the two of us telling you to knock it off will stop you. An image of a sash is unnecessary. It's a sash. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 04:03, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
 * As for the 3RR thing, since you like to Wikilawyer eternally instead of being reasonable, you'll get the same in kind. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 04:04, 21 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Did you miss the part where I said it doesn't need to be in the article? ~SnapperTo 04:08, 21 February 2007 (UTC)


 * It's just a sash. It doesn't need an image. People can watch the show and see it instantly. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 04:09, 21 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Don't be dense. You know what Wikilawyering is. I'm not going to indulge your feigned ignorance of your own behavior. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 04:10, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh, I'm the ignorant whore?! I see then, why don't I end this little dispute by saying... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... Power level (Dragon Ball) 04:13, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Naruto characters
Everyone in Naruto can do things normal humans can't, but not on a superhuman level. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 18:50, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

And don't do that pestering response thing. I can't answer on your schedule. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 18:51, 21 February 2007 (UTC)


 * No, don't create it. It's redundant and would be CfD'd in no time flat. Every character who has a page is a ninja. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 20:39, 21 February 2007 (UTC)


 * They rarely move at superhuman speeds or exhibit superhuman strength, and it is not a notable aspect of their character. Only those who genuinely exhibits abilities no human should be able to reproduce (Tsunade, Kisame) do they need to have the cat. It defeats the purpose to overpopulate it. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 20:49, 21 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Quit trying to wikilawyer your way into being right. It's irritating. Doing something once or twice doesn't mean anything. Something they can do consistently is. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 20:57, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

(regarding) Someguy seems to be going off on an odd tangent today. I think I see what he's getting at, but it's really irrelevant to the issue at hand. The issue being that of useless categories. Categorization specifies that the ultimate purpose of a category is to help users find information. A good way to think about is that tagging articles with a category is for the category's sake not the article's sake.

You mentioned Dragon Ball's super human category, but if you view this from the perspective of the categories themselves, you'll see why it was appropriate there, and inappropriate here. Category:Dragon Ball superhuman characters is a sub-category of Category:Dragon Ball characters. It was created because the list of characters was too long for a single category. Now, split into more manageable chunks, it will assist anyone browsing the categories. This approach is inappropriate to Category:Naruto characters because there are only thirty-something character pages, making subdivision unnecessary, or even harmful. –Gunslinger47 23:04, 21 February 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm back! So, you feel that it's innapropiate to add the super categories to any of the Naruto characters, even though some of them can do thinhs humans can't do? Power level (Dragon Ball) 00:15, 22 February 2007 (UTC)


 * How would your plan help people find information? All ninja have supernatural abilities, and only characters with supernatural abilities currently have character pages.  What would be the point?  If you're trying to categorize by super-power, then look at Naruto, for example.  He is tagged with this category:
 * Category:Fictional characters
 * Category:Fictional characters by superhuman power
 * Category:Fictional characters with the power to duplicate themselves
 * This is a useful tagging because if someone is searching for characters who can duplicate themselves, they should come across Naruto. I see Kakashi is also tagged with this category, which I disapprove of.  This is not a defining part of his character, thus tagging him will hurt the category rather than harm it, by adding useless entries.  Remember that the presence or lack of a category isn't an attempt to state a fact.  If Kakashi's entry is missing "the power to duplicate himself" as a category, then the article is in no way claiming that he cannot.
 * In summary, explain how you think adding the category would be an improvement to said category. When making a new category, explain why it is necessary and how it'll help people find information.  Do not tag articles as a means of stating facts if doing so would hurt the category your adding to.   –Gunslinger47 07:30, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Quit your accusing stupidity. It does not reflect well on you. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 06:51, 22 February 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm not accusing you of anything. You did it. Shit like this is not only completely unnecessary, it's downright stupid. You had no need to add it. Quit getting all defensive when I call you on your behavior. Revise it. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 07:01, 22 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Just don't do it again. You know better. You've been told before. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 07:08, 22 February 2007 (UTC)


 * That's why it links to the disambiguation page. Your method only serves to confuse readers. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 08:28, 22 February 2007 (UTC)