User talk:Prüm

May 2018
Hi, Prüm. As you have been repeatedly told, the proper thing to do if you no longer stand by a comment you've made, while other people have responded to it, is to leave it on the page and strike it out using and. This is not some technical or bureaucratic requirement, but simply to avoid wrong-footing the people who have responded, and avoid confusing readers. I'm surprised to see you reject Sitush's requests, and to answer him like this.

Also, you'd be wise to remove your new comment before anybody comments on it. It's so offensive that a clerk may well remove it if you don't. Indeed, I'll bring it to a clerk's attention myself. Bishonen &#124; talk 11:03, 3 May 2018 (UTC).
 * I've removed the comment as a clerk action, and strongly encourage you not to continue participating in the case unless you are going to post only when supported by diffs and in a civil way. Thanks, Mdann52 (talk) 11:15, 3 May 2018 (UTC)
 * I can't forget what I've seen. Grawp sound a bell? You may proceed. --Prüm (talk) 11:17, 3 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Thank you for rewording the evidence. Mdann52 (talk) 15:16, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

Blocked
Well, either you're Grawp, or you're pretending to be. Either of those rates an indefinite block. Done. Bishonen &#124; talk 15:20, 3 May 2018 (UTC).


 * Can I still appeal this block? I am not Grawp and have no wish to be or become like him. I was just freaking out during the course of the day. Regards, --Prüm (talk) 00:53, 4 May 2018 (UTC)


 * Yes, you can appeal through the usual process. But impersonating JarlaxleArtemis is not a recipe for success here, so you need to try for a good explanation. If you think there are good reasons why you should be unblocked, you may appeal this block by adding the text, but you should read the guide to appealing blocks first. Bishonen &#124; talk 08:22, 4 May 2018 (UTC).
 * Why did you reference Grawp? You seem to have gone out of your way to attract attention and bring Grawp into the picture. You claimed to be Grawp on the most watched board on Wikipedia.--Dloh cier ekim  (talk) 21:17, 4 May 2018 (UTC)
 * I was just undergoing the most horrible experience of my whole life so far. I don't wish to go into any more detail, but that's why I felt I couldn't go on anymore. I actually can't remember it well now. In other words: I was mentally very unstable when I wrote this, but can feel myself getting better now. I referenced Grawp because that was the one thing that came to my mind then. It's been a long time since he terrorized Wikipedia, but I did feel there must be a connection to the state of mind I was trying to describe above. Thanks for your asking. --Prüm (talk) 05:09, 5 May 2018 (UTC)
 * If there's anything more you need to know before agreeing to unblock my account, feel free to ask me here (or via E-mail, I leave that up to you). Thank you for your patience with me. --Prüm (talk) 09:00, 5 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Prüm, I think you'd better appeal directly to the arbitration committee, since the buck stops with them, and CU data may be useful (the arbs are all checkusers). Tell them the blocking admin suggested it. The e-mail address is arbcom-l@lists.wikimedia.org. Bishonen &#124; talk 16:43, 5 May 2018 (UTC).
 * Thanks, I will do as you suggest. --Prüm (talk) 16:51, 5 May 2018 (UTC)
 * I did indeed appeal to ArbCom via the way you both suggested. Thank you for bearing with me. --Prüm (talk) 20:49, 5 May 2018 (UTC)
 * @ArbCom members: On a side note: There was a failed login attempt into my account early on May 4th (before 1:00 UTC), during the attack wave. I don't know if that's relevant, but I guess it might somehow be helpful. Cheers, --Prüm (talk) 21:19, 5 May 2018 (UTC)
 * To any enwiki admin reading this: I would propose another deletion of my userpage, such that the more informative metawiki userpage I created today will become visible instead. Thanks in advance, --Prüm (talk) 21:36, 5 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Done. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 21:43, 5 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Prüm, I don't think the failed login attempt is relevant to anything, because pretty much everybody's been getting failed login attempts in the last few days. See for example this AN thread. Bishonen &#124; talk 21:45, 5 May 2018 (UTC).
 * I thank both of you again. That's pretty much reading, @Bishonen. I will leave the above mention intact, anyway, because the failed login attempt might just fit into a pattern, which the ArbCom members would perhaps like to know more about. I will, of course, refrain from speculating about it. --Prüm (talk) 22:15, 5 May 2018 (UTC)
 * I would also like to sincerely apologize to anyone who felt offended by what I wrote when I was in the state of mind described in my request and the collateral evidence presented here and which began around 6:30 UTC on May 3rd and lasted for around one day. This goes for User:K.e.coffman as well. I can not really pin down what has led me to do it, but it may be a combination of perceived stress from outside influences, lack of sleep and generally not paying enough attention to my inner voice anymore. I hope there is a way I can undo the damage done. --Prüm (talk) 05:58, 6 May 2018 (UTC)


 * I missed much of this excitement but Grawp is no joking matter. People have been hurt. Drmies (talk) 00:33, 7 May 2018 (UTC)
 * I know… What more can I do, in your opinion? --Prüm (talk) 00:37, 7 May 2018 (UTC)

Unblocked
After being tipped off by your Meta page, I've checked out your contributions to German Wikipedia, and I no longer find it at all likely that you have anything to do with Grawp. You have been unblocked. Happy editing! Bishonen &#124; talk 08:27, 6 May 2018 (UTC).


 * Thank you very much. I hope I will get to enjoy editing enwiki again. There are so many go- and nogo-rules that make life rather difficult here. I'll "see ya 'round", I guess. Thanks again for the block, and the unblock :-) --Prüm (talk) 08:36, 6 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Prüm, I've always thought you had a pretty cool username--and just now I discovered they named a treaty for you. Bravo! Drmies (talk) 16:25, 29 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Dear Drmies, if there's something you would like to let me know, like you feeling offended by me in some way, feel free to tell me outright. Clubbing around the bush is not to my liking. Thanks. --Prüm (talk) 19:06, 29 May 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry but you completely misunderstand everything I'm saying. Drmies (talk) 19:26, 29 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Then where do we go from here? --Prüm (talk) 20:17, 29 May 2018 (UTC)
 * I was only trying to make a nice comment about your nice user name. That's all. Drmies (talk) 21:16, 29 May 2018 (UTC)
 * You have a funny name too, but I'm not making fun of you when I say that. So there. --Prüm (talk) 20:45, 25 May 2019 (UTC)

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 * 1) For engaging in harassment of other users, is indefinitely banned from the English Wikipedia under any account.
 * 2) is topic banned from the history of Germany from 1932 to 1945, broadly construed. This topic ban may be appealed after six months have elapsed and every six months thereafter.
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