User talk:Prem Rawat

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List of that which it is wanting to be removed, but can't
In my humility I am being only allowed to place material here. This is very good, may the names of all the holy Ones be praised. I can here be making list of links to places in wikipedia where good information has been removed but is remaining available in histories and illustating helping free human beings from the bondage of mental manipulation. Such is the munificence of wikipedia in preserving everyone's contributions, but its propensity to facilitate cult apologetics is also apparent.


 * the only addition that I was allowed to make by the all-powerful holy admin acting on behalf of the Lord of the Universe I am bemusing


 * Oh dearie me! There have been criticism written here


 * After a premie took out criticism section, another outsider came back and merely make mention that there might be criticism, inviting premie to say what it might be, but mere mention of that there might be criticism is being removed. This is fantastic editing, so much chutzpah (a word I am learning from my friend)


 * How awful - linkings to my namesake's own brother are being removed because of claimed antagonisms between them


 * Ex-premies are persona non grata here so it seems


 * This link is showing what an outsider thinks, but another, not one of the original editors, but another premie I am bemusing is removing the 'conflict of interest' tagging very soon. This is interesting because it is showing that many premies are conflicting in interests with lesser mortals. Prem Rawat (talk) 12:55, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Past teachings of my namesake has now become a redirect page.Prem Rawat (talk) 14:31, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

to be continued by you if you like or Prem Rawat (talk) 14:33, 5 February 2008 (UTC).

Will also be making a list of wikipedia users who are conflicting in their interests so that they can be studied for how holy they are being in this day and age. Prem Rawat (talk) 12:55, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Links of outsiders noticing cult apologism in wikipedia
An "antagonist" website using wikipedia Prem Rawat page as good example. Prem Rawat (talk) 14:03, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

The Register, a retaliatory publication, expresses a matter that may concern wikipedia's reputation for allowing Mr Rawat's public relations manager to be a wikiguru.

Other linkages

 * Who is editing the Prem Rawat page?
 * The Washington Post reports about deprogramming a premie

List of holy people
These are people who are defending endlessly against anything being said critical of their idol:


 * User:Jossi is king, making sure not only that views of people who no longer give my namesake devotion should be forgotten, but merely the idea that there is a term for such people should not be known. But as he is exalted admin, one should not be saying "Crown: A headgear that makes the head superfluous." -Gabriel Laub, author (1928-1998)


 * User:Rumiton has also discovered the technique of taking factual article and turning into redirection, like this one. Only thing being, that to which it is redirected does not include that which was removed. Rumiton has my prize for good information hiding.


 * User:Momento is loving criticism of Prem Rawat so that he can treat other users like bugs on a windscreen. NOTE This is not being holy attitude in Jainism only in Maharajiism. Prem Rawat (talk) 13:29, 8 February 2008 (UTC)


 * User:Andries making claim that merely to link to a site outside wikipedia's responsibility conflicts the living person's policy, implying it must not even be known that there are antagonists. I am asking myself, if there are antagonists who are defaming then they must be stopped. Providing links to them may be good way to get them stopped. Otherwise they are secretly defaming and will not be stopped. Maybe however what the antagonists say is the truth, not defaming, so why take out link? Wise holy people only are knowing the answer.Prem Rawat (talk) 16:32, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

List of unholy people
These are people who are not premies and who are trying to undo what the premies undo, making for much bug-scraping:


 * User:AzraelUK


 * User:Vassyana is taking much trouble to express how another scholar shows what makes premies stick, but will his contribution be removed only too soon. Watch this space. Prem Rawat (talk) 16:22, 8 February 2008 (UTC)


 * User:Onefinalstep is putting back links to antagonists. Will he be allowed to carry on editing since he is himself unholy antagonist upsetting brave premie User:Momento who is in need of pep from wikiguru? Prem Rawat (talk) 16:39, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

Goodness Gracious Me!
Who would have been thinking that I am being blocked just for adding one factual information to a page. The premies must be enjoying lots and lots of power here, may the names of all the Holy Ones be praised. Thanking you for taking me towards humility. Prem Rawat (talk) 14:24, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

I am failing to understand why my name, Prem Rawat is being considered here as rude or inflammatory. indeed there is an article in wikipedia with this name and nowhere in that article is there anything slightly even to make indication that the name is rude. Am humbly very sorry to all readers if you are finding my name rude. Please not to hold it against me. 147.114.226.174 (talk) 14:41, 5 February 2008 (UTC)


 * I am not knowing who this anonymous user is being. The Prem Rawat article is, you are being right, not in any way critical of my namesake, which is being interesting to scholars from Mumbai. This is because usually many criticisms appear in articles here for providing balance and what in wikipedia is being called NPOV. Prem Rawat (talk) 15:18, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

Now I am being told that I am making laughing people. "Watch out!" someone is telling me. I am being warned that holy people are not laughing people. Am humbly very sorry if any of you is thinking I am making you laughing. Am a scholar interested in knowledge and truth and how people are finding spiritual promises attractive but are sometimes not finding those promises kept. Am wanting to know how people are being hooked like a fish to an idea and then making big sacrifices to keep idea alive even if facts do not always support the idea. This is very interesting and a big root of devotionalism and conversely of chicanery. See I am watching American film to improve my Queen's English! Is easiest to gather material for my thesis here with linkings below. Prem Rawat (talk) 16:19, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

Register with a new name
Just register with a new user name, and you are most welcome to contribute. ≈ jossi ≈ (talk) 16:51, 5 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Thank you for the advice. Will happily take on new name, but since new to doings here, and not understanding the rudeness of this name with no reason given for that rudeness, am not being clear about what is good name. Am from good family Rawat in Mumbai, always called Prem as a child, could I be P Rawat or just Prem? Prem Rawat (talk)


 * This is not funny, and although in Wikipedia we assume good faith, it would be taking a huge leap in this case. The purported broken English, the IP address you used above, editing unknowingly without login in, from IP address, 147.114.226.174, which is registered to National Westminster Bank Plc corporate offices in New York, is witness to that. Just get a new username, and help better the encyclopedia. For your information, please read WP:SOCK and WP:RFCU, and be aware that in case of disruption there tools available to fight it.  But sometimes, as in this case, there is no need to resort to these tools:
 * Am humbly very sorry to all readers if you are finding my name rude. Edited while not logged in as 147.114.226.174 (talk) 14:41, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Am humbly very sorry if any of you is thinking I am making you laughing. Edited when you were logged in as User:Prem Rawat 16:19, 5 February 2008
 * Then you attempt to cover your tracks.... Chutzpah...! ≈ jossi ≈ (talk) 17:57, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, when I am not logging on, the IP address appears from using it in the office. I am showing this to my friends in the office and some are laughing. Everyone has access to this system. I will find out if another person is socket puppet and let you know if I can.Prem Rawat (talk) 18:15, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I am not finding sock puppet, only one other person doing edits anonymous, a laughing friend also from Mumbai and working in same area. Hope you are finding this helpful. I am also being humbled by correcting my English, thank you. I am not having problems writing technical jargon or writing VBA code. In Mumbai, people have pride that the English that is spoken there is the purest in the whole world. I will ask my tutor at home for guidance.Prem Rawat (talk) 18:24, 5 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Please stop from embarrassing yourself any further. First you claim you are a scholar, then you say that you are a Visual Basic coder, then you say you are not that IP, then you say you are that IP. Ask your tutor for the meaning of "and pigs fly too". ≈ jossi ≈ (talk) 18:44, 5 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Am honoured you are taking such interest in me. I can give facts about myself in this page if you are finding it interesting. I am writing utilities in VBA for administration purposes and for earning wages. Am also student (maybe scholar) making researches into spirituality and promises claimed by very holy people, like promise of personal id card necessary for making spiritual practices. This is interesting to me. Am interested where knowledge is hidden. This makes it mystery I think only for people hunting persistently makes it a spiritual quest. I am to attend call center training in better communication in English next April (I am not working in call center but these trainings are available too). I am being told I must not make edits to wikipedia pages because my name is rude words and my English is now being not as good as my Hindi, but I am not making edits please. Rawat is frequent name where I live. Only edit I make before I am blocked by wise admin is copy of more early edit made by another in English placed by that person.Prem Rawat (talk) 14:07, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Tutor Guidance
I received this email from my tutor:

Dear Prem, I have looked at the discussion from the link that you sent. You need to improve your writing style as your new friends suggest. It is interesting that you have provoked attacks (not just from the administrator who blocked you) against your 'persona'. Your English is being judged though your sense is always clear, and nowhere have any of your correspondents materially addressed any of the points you make. None of your questions has been answered. You have been called a liar without anyone actually identifying any lie you might have told. You are doing OK. If you can continue your researches in this way, I am sure it will become even clearer to any observer that you have discovered how a failing message (that of your namesake) is being promoted increasingly desparately by supporters who seem to have forgotten (or never did understand) what that message was. This will help me by providing a case study for my lecturing. You are a good and intelligent student, my friend. Keep up the good work and try, like the man says, to stop sounding like Peter Sellers. Laying a smokescreen of stupidity, appearing like an idiot, can be a good tactic, particularly when you want to illustrate how people can mistreat one another. It is irony that people who wish to appear to be upholding purity of communication in relation to what is purporting to represent a message of goodwill, in fact betray that message very obviously by their own behavior. Kind regards, Ashish PS You may post this message if you want. Prem Rawat (talk) 15:11, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Am Having Friends Here

 * You are most welcome to explore the discussion archives in which these issues have been discussed and addressed. The archives are available at the top of the talk page of these articles. ≈ jossi ≈ (talk) 16:54, 5 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Am not finding archives mentioned. Perhaps these have been deleted by holy unlaughing people not wishing discussions to remain. Is it addressed why criticism is always removed from Prem Rawat page, why linking to antagonist ex-Premies site to provide balance is also removed, why link to how Knowledge can be proven by possession of pretty id card costing maybe plenty is not being allowed and is being called vandalism? Is the Prem Rawat organisation being thought an organisation of vandalism hereabouts? I am finding this hard to understand. Prem Rawat (talk) 17:23, 5 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Your edits were erroneous. The source you referred to did not say what you claimed. Drop your ridiculous Peter Sellers persona, establish some good faith and stop telling lies and I will talk with you about your editing. Otherwise forget it. Rumiton (talk) 10:56, 6 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Thank you, rumiton for your informations. I am honored that you are comparing Peter Sellers. He is very great actor and I enjoy Pink Panther. Do you? Are making links to pages of histories telling lies? I am making only one edit before being restricted. Is it a lie that there is website for getting premie id card for proof of having the namesake Prem Rawat Knowledge. I am only researching unable to make claims at all because of my rude name. Prem is not a common name like Rawat but I am called by it with my friends. I am taking interest in namesake partly because shareing of name. I am sorry you are finding Peter Sellers ridiculous. I am enjoying his making people laughing. You should do like I am thinking. Prem Rawat (talk) 14:01, 6 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Nonsense. I am finished with you. Rumiton (talk) 14:03, 6 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Thank you again for taking the time editing in my discussion page. Your contribution is being treasured and shall be preserved on hard disk for many years I am hoping. I think you are maybe a holy one who knows many deep mysteries but are not telling them in this public place, a sign of great wisdom.Prem Rawat (talk) 14:17, 6 February 2008 (UTC)