User talk:Premeditated Chaos/Archive 4

Archive 1, Archive 2, Archive 3.

Feel free to drop a line. Please sign your posts. Don't fight on my talk page. Um. That's about it.

Hey Premeditated Chaos, stop deleting my stuff, this page has specific historical relavence to the chicago fire. Don't touch

HoverRace
HoverRace is relevant to a number of people, and occasionally hits are seen on hoverrace.com from Wikipedia. I/We would greatly appreciate it if it was not deleted. I mean, it's not like it's hurting anyone, and it is good information that wasn't particularly easy to collect. Yes, I don't have an account, but you can email me at igglybobthegreat@hotmail.com to discuss this further if you want. Otherwise I'll be keeping my eyes on the page.

Transwiki:English manors
Why do think this belongs on Wikisource? This does not seem to be a source to me. Where was this previously published?--Birgitte§β ʈ  Talk  19:00, 22 September 2006 (UTC)


 * ''Because it's an essay, and not a Wikipedia article. In any case, it doesn't belong here. ♠PMC♠ 19:03, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:BirgitteSB"


 * There are many mechanisms for removing things which "do not belong here". Uploading to Wikisource is not one of them.  Please only contribute things to Wikisource which meet Wikisource's inclusion policy.  Thank you.--Birgitte§β  ʈ  Talk  19:08, 22 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks. If there is anything that you beleive belongs on Wikisource, you can always tag it with .  Then a WS admin can import over if they agree.--Birgitte§β  ʈ  Talk  19:25, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Gus Goes to Cybertown AfD
I'm confused by your vote on Gus Goes to Cybertown. You state that "A game that won Best Shooter of E3? Notable for sure." while apparently maintaining that a CES Innovations award is, by way of comparison, not notable. According to their articles, the Consumer Electronics Show had 150,000 attendees this year, and E3 at its peak had 60,000. While both shows are certainly important in their own right, I doubt that anyone would seriously argue that E3 was more important than the CES. Please help me to understand your logic here, as I'm having difficulty trying to grasp where you're coming from. Andrew Lenahan -  St ar bli nd  12:41, 6 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Well, I work at a video game store (EB Games to be specific) and while I've seen many games labelled with things like "Best Action Game of E3!" (Just Cause) or "Editors' Choice - E3," (Sigma Star Saga) never once have I seen a game note on its cover that it won anything at CES. I'm going by what I see every day at work, and also from what I hear from customers. (Who, obviously, are mostly gamers.) Ask them about CES, they go, "What'sat?" But ask about E3 and they go, "Of course I know E3, are you stupid?" So, thats's my reasoning - personal experience. &spades; P  M  C  &spades; 22:35, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Okay, but obviously E3 didn't always exist. The first E3 was in 1995, and before that the video game industry had only CES and various computer trade shows to go to.  Before E3 existed, video game companies had E3-like presence at the CES instead.  If you look at gaming magazines before 1995, you'll find that they had coverage of the CES, just like they cover E3 today.  At the time, CES was the place where it all happened in the gaming world.  How important was it?  Where do you think Nintendo first unveiled the Nintendo Entertainment System?  CES '85.  Game Boy?  CES '89.  Playstation?  CES '91.  CES was every bit as important then as E3 is now, and if anything even moreso because of its greater attendence and broader scope.  Andrew Lenahan -  St ar bli nd  13:09, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, cool. Thanks for the education. It's very nice of you to go to all that time to relieve my ignorance. However, I'm going to stand by my logic, and will not be changing my vote. &spades; P  M  C  &spades; 02:17, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Something you might be interested in
Since you requested deletion for the One Peice attacks, I thought you could help out here: Articles for deletion/List of Dragon Ball special abilities. Hydromasta231 04:04, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Happy birthday


I also congratualte on the choice of your user name, though I found that you are not creating any chaos :-)) --Bhadani 01:20, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

- Have a great day! Some great people were born on this day (i.e. you and me!) Oh, enjoy your cake as well! - Jam 01 07:03, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

John Pelan
Hey; could you check there's any useful in the John Pelan page history? Whatlinkshere suggests I might be missing something. ~ PseudoSudo 15:31, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Deletion of Tim Jackins
Hi, I saw you've deleted Tim Jackins under WP:BIO. He's actually quite an "important" chap (at least to some) as he leads an organisation called Re-evaluation Counseling which is fairly well known in the therapy field and is the son of Harvey Jackins who is considered influential in psychotherapeutic areas. Can you explain why you deleted it please? If there are problems with it, maybe they can be fixed?

I wonder if you could help me with something else as well please, there was a related page called United to End Racism which has also been deleted but I can't find any notes about it in the deletion logs, can you help? Thanks a lot! MarkThomas 08:59, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Oohh, this is freaking me, the latter has just re-appeared! I may have just been making typos when I searched, so apologies for that one. But would still like to know about the Tim Jackins deletion. Thanks a lot. MarkThomas 09:00, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Re: Red Hair
Hadn't noticed it, heh. :) No worries, I've had my fair sure of really stupid reverts on RC patrol. Always nice to see people helping out -- and every little bit does help. Happy editing! Luna Santin 08:06, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Hazard symbol
They wher intended to be stub-sections.So ,it was normal that they are not very informative.--Pixel ;-) 20:21, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

In one,ther was it's history and the other the "formal way" to draw it (in the links).So the start of specific sections is motivated.Simply some one will transrite it from the links in the stubs.A stub is an invitation to some one to fill it,so that the subject is covered after editing,if thers no stub,less peopol will get motivated to begin editing.same principle aplies at stub-articles and stub-sections.--Pixel ;-) 22:02, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

All i find was scull and bones.If you now the exact name of radioactive sign or biohazard sign articles please show them to me.--Pixel ;-) 11:31, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
 * In any case, the symbols have their own articles.

Deletion of Uncategorised films
I must strongly object to your deletion of the uncategorised films category. First, you did so without discussion, and as a result anyone using the page was unable to explain its function to you. Please do not delete things without discussing - there may be a good reason for their existence which is unknown to you. Second, the reason in this case is that films are added to the category and then rapidly sorted by members of wikiproject films. At least forty articles are processed through that category per week by me alone. It has a distinct purpose, and as a result, I am re-creating it immediately. Please do not delete it again. Aelfthrytha 18:57, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Deletion of "Oracle Gatherings"
Hello, I'm just wondering what motivated you to delete the "Oracle Gatherings" article on 19 October 2006. The deletion log simply (and harshly) describes it as a "non-notable festival."

Your user page says that you are from Vancouver, Canada. Perhaps you have attended an Oracle Gathering in the past? You may be aware that the Oracle Gatherings have helped shape North West Coast dance culture. Hundreds of artists have become involved in the production of the events over the years, and the community is still growing. The North West is very tight-knit. The type of dedicated community involvement that exists here is something that I have not witnessed anywhere else I have lived. At a time when we are all experiencing a consciousness shift in this world, I'd hardly call that "non-notable."

I'd really appreciate a more detailed explanation. Was it too short? Were there typos? Was it not signed properly? I know the person who created the original entry, and I know that there was an intention to add more to it. You said on your user page that you would retrieve any data from a deleted page, so at the very least, that would be a nice gesture. But I'd really like to see it put back. The reason the article was started in the first place was to get the info out there. It was not meant to be self-promotional in any way. The Gatherings barely generate any money. They are created so the organizers and all the attendees may have fun, and so like-minded folks can share a wonderful experience for one night.

I'm not sure how wiki correspondence works, so please email me. jamey -at- oraclegatherings dot com Jls-sea 19:49, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks: 040 TA Ouest
Thanks for your grammatical changes to 040 TA Ouest, I've reverted some as your changes were inaccurate. Indeed the class is 040T, not 0-8-0, 0-8-0 may be a type. I've also delinked solitary years. Cheers, Captain Scarlet and the Mysterons 23:59, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Deletion of the article Troop 70
How come you had deleted the page on Troop 70? It isn't just any 'Random Boy Scout troop.' It is the original Boy Scout troop in Connecticut and nearly all the other troops in the state have branched off of it. I'm not trying to yell at you, I'm just wondering. Was the article not of an encyclopediac quality (if that's even a word)? Did it seem like it was written a 10 year old who wants an article about his troop Wikipedia? Was it just lame? Just wondering. Crad0010 22:47, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

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Ashley Slanina-Davies
Hi, I see you deleted the above article as a speedy, A7, which means the article makes no claim of importance or significance. I disagree, the article stated that the person in question was an actress and appears in a popular television show. I've restored it, which fair play, is bad form, but only because it has been recreated and I wanted to merge the page histories. A7 isn't for articles where an assertion is made, for those proposed deletion is recommended. Anyway, sorry to restore without checking with you first, not sure how you want to go from there? Steve block Talk 23:44, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Your politeness flatters me, good sir. Personally, I'm okay with you restoring it. I trust your judgement on the matter (especially since you went to the trouble to ask). I haven't any attachment to (or indeed, vague memory of) most of what almost everything I delete, so restore away. I was just trying to burn down some of the backlog at speedy. Happy editing, then, hm? &spades; P  M  C  &spades; 06:11, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Fair play and drinks all round then, I say. Seriously, cheers and sorry to trouble you.  Yeah, I was whacking through the speedy backlog too, and that's where I hit it.  Happy editing indeed! Steve block Talk 21:07, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

RfA thanks
Hi PMC, I am very thankful to you for supporting and comments on my succesful RfA. Shyam ( T / C ) 06:19, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Ekova
Hi,

On Nov. 9th you deleted the entry for Ekova that I made. I'm not pissed or anything, in the process of creating the entry I found out that the band appeared to be defunct and today I was going to nominate it for deletion anyway. I'm mostly curious how I missed the deletion process - I may have not checked my watchlist for a couple days and it passed me by, but I can't find anything logging it's removal. Could you let me know where I should look? Thanks. WLU 18:04, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the answer, much appreciated. I won't be recreating it - since the group appears to be defunct, not much point. WLU 23:31, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Weirdness at the top of your page...
Hi! I noticed this sentence just above your TOC:

'Hey Premeditated Chaos, stop deleting my stuff, this page has specific historical relavence to the chicago fire. Don't touch'

I just thought you'd like to know. I figure that it's either an inside joke, or some vandalism that went unoticed. Anyway. Have a wikilicious day! - - weirdo actor  tundefinedc -  - 01:08, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

8mm (band)
Hey you deleted my page for the 8mm band. I wasnt exactly sure how to put up the footnotes and things and I meant to put in a message to someone about that. I do have permission from the band to be using their information, so is it possible to undelete the page? Thanks -T —The preceding unsigned comment was added by T 06 (talk • contribs) 03:14, 7 December 2006 (UTC).

:)
could you explain to me the ritual curse. sorry if its an incoveniance. i saw your page and i thought you could help.thanks

the laveyan one, you know?

Deletion of Super Mario War
Why in the world did you delete Super Mario War, just after it was created with original content, there are plenty of lame and pathetic (1 line) articles on much less popular open source games that go without question on here.

I do not see how it fits any criteria for speedy deletion, and I request that it be undeleted to how it was, it hasn't even been given a chance to pan out. Athiril 07:28, 12 January 2007 (UTC)Athiril

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Athiril (talk • contribs) 07:26, 12 January 2007 (UTC).


 * Because it was a repost of deleted content that has been deleted time and time again. The game isn't notable. Please, let it lie. When it becomes notable, we'll write an article. Until then, let it go. &spades; P  M  C  &spades; 07:55, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

A) It wasn't a repost of the same content, and B) It's a lot more notable than other games on wikipedia -and- they only have a vague couple of lines about them.

So when are you going to get around to deleting those other games off wikipedia then? You know, the ones in much less of a condition to be on here than SMW, the ones you should have gotten around to first if you deem this game so unworthy of being on here.


 * I mean this honestly: give me examples. I will look into them and start deletion procedures for anything non-notable. I'm a deletionist. &spades; P  M  C  &spades; 04:44, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

For one, the hypocrisy of the wiki open source games list - "Please post only games that make their source code and media content, like graphics and sound, fully available and free to modify and redistribute. Featured games must have an article on Wikipedia in further stages than a stub. Anything else will be REMOVED."

Boson is on that list http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boson_%28computer_game%29

From Boson article - "This strategy game-related article is a stub. You can help Wikipedia by expanding it."

For one, there are a lot of pretty poor games listed on wikipedia open-source and non, that no one plays and that dont get many hits on the original web page for them, which are in the first place a lot less notable than Super Mario War which is ludicrous in the first place for an article still existing on them since Super Mario War was deleted yet again, whats even worse is that article on Boson barely has 3 sentences, and even more so its listed as a stub AND listed on the open source games list, which states stubs cannot be on it.

It's all a bunch of crap.


 * Well, if you don't like it, tag them for deletion. There are simple, easy ways to do that. Proposed deletion works wonders for getting rid of crap with no hassle. But don't worry - I've done some of your work from you, and have tagged many of the games on the open source list. I got about halfway. Why don't you help the 'Pedia, and do some yourself, instead of complaining that they're here? Additionally, if you don't believe a game should be on the list, remove it! You have that power. That's what Wikipedia is about. It's that simple. The existence of those articles has no impact on whether or not Super Mario war deserves an article. "My article on X deserves to stay because this other crap article on Y is still here" isn't a valid argument for keeping content. Every article must be judged on its own merit, not that of other articles in the WP. When SMW becomes notable, we'll have an article. &spades; P  M  C  &spades; 18:20, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Moo!
Hey!

About time you figured it out, heh! Anyways, I'm doing fine, nothing to worry about save for some minor stuff like playing real-life Carmageddon.... as a pedestrian. I wouldn't recommend that to anyone though. I gave up contributing to WP quite a while ago really but I just couldn't resist vandalizing your userpage again just for laughs. I'm sure you don't mind it... Not all that much... I think.... I hope? Don't hit me :( :: DarkLordSeth 08:10, 15 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Naw, I'm fine. I'm immortal or something, considering all the crap that I survive, heh. Just a broken elbow and some nasty strained muscles that still bugger me. Avoided some major head injuries with luck. Like I said, I really don't advice anyone to try it. Still, it beats playing WoW. *shameless troll* Still not going to hit me? ;) :: DarkLordSeth 08:11, 17 January 2007 (UTC)


 * So no hitting? What about eating cookies? Cookies nice... And tasty! I've also got some chocolate! :: DarkLordSeth 21:33, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Nice to catch up!
And thanks for the RfA support. Ciz was a long, long time ago, but I remember you being around back then too. Nice to see you cross paths once more. How's things your end of the world? :)

With Good Thoughts and a happy new year, FT2 (Talk 21:37, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Thank you!
Thanks for helping me out with the red link template. :-) Sue H. Ping (talk • contribs) 22:49, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Ecgric of East Anglia
You are exceedingly kind, thankyou very much. Such appreciation goes a long way in the torpid cell of wikipedia authorship (my room). I have just uploaded the rest of the Ecgric text and am about to fix the sources etc. Hope you like this, and the other East Anglian articles I am doing. Dr Steven Plunkett 17:48, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Delete Delete
Why on earth are you attempting to delete so many articles? I really don't understand why somebody who seems so involved would want to undo all the work of so many editors, and make Wikipedia that much worse as a resource? Excessive deleting is a form of censorship - decision by the minority what's important or not. If editors have put the effort of contributing an article, it's important. If you don't think so, don't read it. Thousands of others will. Greenman 19:55, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Advanced Strategic Command
I created the article; you might as well delete it. It's pointless for me to get into a big debate over notability, as the only reason I created it was to make at least one red link blue in the page on ASC; the fact that I actually played the game at one point also pushed me to create it. If it's deleted, I'll remove the link in ASC as well.--Planetary 02:39, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the support on RfA!
With the RfA complete and over, and a day to recover on top, I finally feel able to click a few buttons and write a few comments. Of those, there's about a dozen editors I hadn't come across before, whom I particularly want to write a comment to.

Ciz was ages ago, but you were pretty good back then, nice to see you round again :) Hope the years have treated you well, too :)

As a new user of admin access, I might well benefit from guidance for a while to come. I trust my existing approach overall, but its an area one doesn't really want to make even a single mistake, and where the judge is the eyes of ones peers. So advice would be a Good Thing.

To kickstart that off, I've set up a subpage to post questions on "what would other users do here?" for those admin situations where I'm not sure. I'll probably have a lot of those early on. If you feel like watchlisting User:FT2/Advice sought, I'd really appreciate it :) a consultative page is my first step in ensuring this new access will be taken responsibly when circumstances arise.

Separate from all that, I look forward to seeing you round. What subject areas are you working on these days? How goes?

Keep in touch, happy editing in 2007, and once again - many thanks! :) FT2 (Talk 02:12, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

EuroRevenue Gone?
What happened? I was told this entry was fine by Steel a month or more ago after adding some outbound links to third party articles, and suddenly it's gone? Along with the Talk page itself? I don't understand. There was never even a suspicious content page warning. Just gone in the snap of a finger. What's going on?

Come on...this is ridiculous:

"The site must have been the subject of multiple, non-trivial works from subjects that are themselves notable, reliable, and independent of the subject. Articles lacking those can be deleted based on non-notability. ♠PMC♠ 21:16, 23 January 2007 (UTC)"

There were multiple, non-trivial works from subjects that are themselves notables. You've got to give me an explanation
 * Let's get our facts straight. What I said was fine was a stub (example), not that spammy shit which PMC deleted on the 23rd. -- Steel 11:43, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

RevenueGateway Gone?
No notice here either. Just gone. Talk page gone. What gives? You tell me it's blatant promotion. What are you talking about? I've got your notable works. It's free of hyperbole. At least give me some kind of explanation.


 * Look, I didn't delete that one. Check under the deletion log at Special:Log. In fact, check my deletion log, linked from my userpage. As for EuroRevenue, link me the sources. &spades; P  M  C  &spades; 21:21, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

I apologize about the RevenueGateway drop. I know you didn't do that one. As for the EuroRevenue, here are some of the outbound links that were on the entry:

Executive Suite--Joe, EuroRevenue

EuroRevenue Unveils JapaneseBukkakeOrgy.com

EuroRevenue Hires Shane Ryale as U.S. Affiliate Manager

EuroRevenue Launches New Gallery Builder

EuroRevenue Unveils New GermanGooGirls Tour

Island Gathering's Sixth Annual Webmaster Event Sold Out

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I just happen to notice, that you had put in the past Konquest up for deletion, 2 times. I would appreciate if you stopped trying to get it deleted, and mainly doing if without notifying anyone that has contributed to the article.

If your afd for notability of it fails, the next thing you do should not be to put it up for deletion with no reason. -- A dam1213 Talk + 06:52, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Hey, sorry to bother you about something silly like this, but I was surfing the internet the other day and inadvertently came across a trailer for a independent fan movie based on the Legend Of Zelda video game series. Wikipedia used to have a page for the movie, but was deleted (by you originally, if I understand how this site works well enough) for what I'm guessing was copyright infringement. All I wanted to know was if the article contained any information explaining why the movie was never released in any capacity beyond a trailer. Did Nintendo step in, as is speculated on various forums? If you don't mind looking this up for me, I'd very much appreciate it. My curiosity is killing me. Thanks!

Awb475 02:34, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

GRAvity PipE stub flagged for deletion
I note you flagged my stub article GRAPE for deletion. I have reformatted and somewhat expanded it. I note your stated preference not to fight here on your talk page, so I use the term "Script Kiddie" on the discussion page there instead. Pete St.John 17:41, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your response. I surrebutted at the Discussion page. You might want to check the article, also, to address if it is more, or less, satisfactory to you. Pete St.John 18:24, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

AFD script?
Do you know where I can find a script that makes it easier to tag articles for deletion? I have one that tags articles for 'speedy' deletion but I need one that can quickly tag articles for deletion and add them to the articles for deletion notification page. Thanks. Wikidudeman  (talk) 18:37, 20 February 2007 (UTC)


 * No clue! Really sorry. I'm not remotely the person to ask, as coding gives me headaches. I lifted my javascripts from another user ages ago. Haven't the slightest idea what any of the little bits and symbols mean, but the stuff I ganked works well enough for me. Heh. Try WP:SCRIPT? Sorry I can't be of any more use. &spades; P  M  C  &spades; 20:29, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Avanor article deleted
I've been trying to figure out where the Avanor article disappeared to, and with the help of #wikipedia I was pointed in your direction with the reason "not notable". I'm not the author of Avanor and I am aware that development is a little stagnant, but I'm not entirely sure why the article has been deleted. I'm not just interested in getting the article back, rather, I'd prefer to discuss its deletion with you. Thanks. Ahpla 12:09, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I've addressed this at Ahpla's talk page. If Rogue listed Avanor as a successor and had a broken link to it, I'd cheer him on; but as it happens I can see justified concern about notability. The demise of text-games would be sad, unless we observe the good from those games living on in new MMORPG (and other GUI) games.Pete St.John 16:48, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Heh, interesting. I've left him a note as well that goes a little deeper into the notability thing. &spades; P  M  C  &spades; 17:03, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Ah, I see; you composed your reply before reading mine. I didn't understand that at all. Your reply gives more specifics about notability standards in Wiki so the redundancy is negligible.Pete St.John 17:28, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I did, yes. I read yours after mine edit conflicted with yours, but couldn't be bothered to fiddle with it. Besides which, since I was the tagger, I felt it prudent to give my own reasoning for the tag. &spades; P  M  C  &spades; 17:38, 22 February 2007 (UTC)