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Nomination for deletion of Template:Elizabeth Haydon
Template:Elizabeth Haydon has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the entry on the Templates for discussion page. Liz Read! Talk! 15:16, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

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TFL notification for March 2023
Hi, PresN. I'm just posting to let you know that Hugo Award for Best Professional Magazine – a list that you have been heavily involved with – has been chosen to appear on the Main Page as Today's featured list for March 3. The TFL blurb can be seen here. If you have any thoughts on the selection, please post them on my talk page or at TFL talk. Regards, Giants2008  ( Talk ) 22:33, 3 February 2023 (UTC)

List of cities founded by Alexander the Great
Something odd about this one, and I can't figure out what caused it. I normally get a message underneath the article title that says "Currently a featured list candidate"; I don't get that message with this one. But the article talk page says "featured list candidate", and I don't see anything wrong with the nomination page. - Dank (push to talk) 17:27, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
 * It also says it's a "set index article" instead of a list, which is what I think is the issue- I think maybe the SIA template at the bottom is causing the "type" to change, and it's not set up to link the FLC for set index articles? In any case, the talk page is fine, so the FLC bot will be okay. -- Pres N  18:41, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Yep, that was it, all good now. - Dank (push to talk) 18:44, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Butterfly Soup 2
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Talk:WWE 2K23
Hey, I don't know why you changed the assessment grade of WWE 2K23 to a redirect class, but I reverted it. Would appreciate a reasoning 2603:6080:7C40:5E0:B808:ED1E:8B76:5913 (talk) 16:55, 17 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Sorry, moving too fast- was fixing all the redirects/drafts that never got their talk pages updated, and I guess I double updated Draft talk:WWE 2K23. -- Pres N  18:36, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

User:Dank/Temp
You were wondering (on my talk page) if we could have a navbox for my current list series ... if so, User:Dank/Temp is my suggestion. People don't like to see red links in these things, so I can't deploy it right away, but I can probably deploy it soon. - Dank (push to talk) 17:52, 20 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Looks good! -- Pres N  21:04, 20 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Also: I had been putting the image review info on the nominations page ... I'm now doing it as the last note on the list's talk page (for instance, at Talk:List of basal eudicot families. - Dank (push to talk) 03:00, 22 February 2023 (UTC)

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WikiCup 2023 March newsletter
So ends the first round of the 2023 WikiCup. Everyone with a positive score moved on to Round 2, with 54 contestants qualifying. The top scorers in Round 1 were:


 * Unlimitedlead with 1205 points, a WikiCup newcomer, led the field with two featured articles on historical figures and several featured article candidate reviews.
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TFL notification for March 2023
Hi, PresN. I'm just posting to let you know that List of Civilization media – a list that you have been heavily involved with – has been chosen to appear on the Main Page as Today's featured list for March 24. The TFL blurb can be seen here. If you have any thoughts on the selection, please post them on my talk page or at TFL talk. Regards, Giants2008  ( Talk ) 17:29, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

Latest (and most likely final) issue of the WP:VG newsletter
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Question about source used in Secret of Mana
Hi PresN, I was trying to confirm some information about the history of Secret of Mana and Chrono Trigger, and in Secret of Mana you quote the source: "Schaulfelberger, Frederik (September 2006). "Sanningen om Mana" [The Truth about Mana]. Level (in Swedish). No. 6. IDG. pp. 114–121." for a number of sections of the article. Could possibly tell me more about this magazine? My deep dives on google, archive.org, and IDG/Foundry have been unable to find any examples or references to it. It's been rather frustrating. Mostly been coming up with a different Turkish magazine called Level instead. Thank you, Antipothis (talk) 21:54, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
 * No idea where I found it back in 2014 when I added it (though not in a tiny section at the end of the article...), but looks like there's scans and an English translation at here. Found it by googling "Secret of mana level magazine", and one of the hits was this VG247 article that quotes something different than the wikipedia article does and says it's an interview with Ishii, so I googled "secret of mana ishii interview level magazine" and it was the second hit. Unfortunately, I don't know anything about the magazine itself -- Pres N  22:53, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks alot man. That's a huge help. --Antipothis (talk) 03:42, 10 March 2023 (UTC)

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Navbox or sidebar?
Do you have any preference whether the template at List of basal superasterid families stays there or gets moved up to the upper right as a sidebar? My first thought was that that would never work since the table needs the whole page width and comes up so quickly, but now that I think of it, I could probably get away with it. I don't have a preference ... do you? If not, I'll ask the next batch of reviewers. - Dank (push to talk) 03:22, 26 March 2023 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure- I think that having a navbar in the see also instead of at the bottom feels odd, and that a sidebar might work better? But as it is it's too wide for that, even before sticking an image to the left of it. You could make it narrower and put the image above it, but there's not a lot of vertical space to work with before you hit the table and I'm not sure how you'd do that without losing the nested nature (e.g. Asterids are a subset of superasterids are a subset of eudicots). -- Pres N  03:28, 26 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Okay, I'm thinking the same, I'll see what I can do. - Dank (push to talk) 03:30, 26 March 2023 (UTC)
 * I've looked at all the lists, and it should be doable. The first thing I need to do is finish the other lists and move them into article-space. - Dank (push to talk) 14:02, 26 March 2023 (UTC)
 * User:Dank/Sandbox/4? Thoughts? - Dank (push to talk) 00:59, 27 March 2023 (UTC)
 * I like it; I think it's a little odd having Eudicots get centered but monocots/early-diverging not, but that's okay. I usually see these templates using sidebar, not infobox, so I made one up at User:PresN/plantsidebar - it's narrower but much taller, so I don't know that it works. -- Pres N  01:25, 27 March 2023 (UTC)
 * I like the way it looks, but I don't think I can make it work? If I try to put an image to the left of it, someone will throw me in a dungeon for violating some layout rule; if I put the image above it, it will push the table down too far in pretty much all of the lists. I'll see if I can make it fatter but shorter, if that works for you. - Dank (push to talk) 02:17, 27 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Done. Thoughts? - Dank (push to talk) 02:31, 27 March 2023 (UTC)
 * I like it! -- Pres N  02:36, 27 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Though as a note, "Lists of flowering plant families" gets the title onto one line. -- Pres N  02:37, 27 March 2023 (UTC)
 * That helps, thanks. - Dank (push to talk) 02:39, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

TFL notification for April 2023
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Your GA nomination of Tunic (video game)
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FLC close
Was Featured list candidates/Timeline of the Warren G. Harding presidency/archive1 supposed to be closed? Thebiguglyalien ( talk ) 03:23, 14 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Yes, forgot the tag for the bot. Thanks! -- Pres N  11:49, 14 April 2023 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Tunic (video game)
The article Tunic (video game) you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Tunic (video game) for comments about the article, and Talk:Tunic (video game)/GA1 for the nomination. Well done! If the article has not already appeared on the main page as a "Did you know" item, or as a bold link under "In the News" or in the "On This Day" prose section, you can nominate it within the next seven days to appear in DYK. Bolded names with dates listed at the bottom of the "On This Day" column do not affect DYK eligibility. Message delivered by ChristieBot, on behalf of Shooterwalker -- Shooterwalker (talk) 13:23, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

Talk:List of Saxifragales, Vitales and Zygophyllales families
FWIW. I suppose there are various ways to get some kind of nod from the reviewers for the 3 rows I just added to this existing FL ... if you have a preference, let me know. (This doesn't involve my two current noms, btw.) - Dank (push to talk) 15:26, 29 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Eh, it's a small addition, even if it results in changing the list name, it's fine. Feel free to ask their opinion if you want it, of course, but it's not necessary. I think from a "strict" classification standpoint it's a little odd to have all three together, but they are fairly closely related, they're just not sibling branches. Otherwise they have nowhere to go due to their length and position in the superrosids, so I wouldn't have opposed. -- Pres N  15:35, 29 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Great. Apart from the campanulids, all I've got left is the malvids ... I'll try to finish them up this weekend. - Dank (push to talk) 15:49, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

Euasterids
Meh, another update, but this one isn't my fault, it's coming from the taxonomy guys. P.F. Stevens, over here (and click on the "SUMMARY OF APG IV" link), says that there is/are new euasterid order(s) that don't belong in the lamiids or the campanulids ... so, in the next version of these lists, I'll have to combine those two clades into one euasterid page. Rather than do it one way now and change everything in the future, I'm going to go ahead and add some basic information on the campanulids to my existing lamiid list. I'm going to ask my next batch of reviewers to glance at the changes for the lamiids page ... they might not want to, but there's no harm in asking. I'll get the changes reviewed one way or another. - Dank (push to talk) 02:13, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
 * If you think that would be helpful to readers now, then sure, though keep in mind that it's likely that these changes won't be accepted into APG IV or whatever (PAFTOL) for years and years; until they're accepted and published in a general reference, you just have "P. F. Stevens says that there's a general acceptance of these changes post-APG IV", which isn't a great source. It's not quite the same, but I ran into that with my mammals lists- MSW3 is was published in 2005, so quite a lot has changed since then, but for every generally accepted change there's 3 complex changes that no one agrees on the details of. There, I have to go through a complicated "do both the ASM and the IUCN agree on this change", even if the world expert on that family has a paper that e.g. splits up a species into three. I worry that this is kind of the same situation- Stevens may say that the addition of that order is a thing, but it may be a long time before reference works agree. -- Pres N  15:49, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Nice analysis, and I agree. If you see me doing anything that you disagree with in List of lamiid families (or euasterid, after the rename), please let me know. I'm not aware of any plans yet for "APG V", but sooner or later, there will be some kind of grudging agreement to move past 2016 taxonomy. My plan for now is to mention this new development in the notes but not in the table (until things change). - Dank (push to talk) 16:03, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

WikiCup 2023 May newsletter
The second round of the 2023 WikiCup has now finished. Contestants needed to have scored 60 points to advance into round 3. Our top five scorers in round 2 all included a featured article among their submissions and each scored over 500 points. They were:


 * Iazyges (1040) with three FAs on Byzantine emperors, and lots of bonus points.
 * Unlimitedlead (847), with three FAs on ancient history, one GA and nine reviews.
 * Epicgenius (636), a WikiCup veteran, with one FA on the New Amsterdam Theatre, four GAs and eleven DYKs
 * BennyOnTheLoose (553), a seasoned competitor, with one FA on snooker, six GAs and seven reviews.
 * 🇩🇪 FrB.TG (525), with one FA, a Lady Gaga song and a mass of bonus points.

Other notable performances were put in by Sammi Brie,  Thebiguglyalien,  MyCatIsAChonk,  PCN02WPS, and  AirshipJungleman29.

So far contestants have achieved thirteen featured articles between them, one being a joint effort, and forty-nine good articles. The judges are pleased with the thorough reviews that are being performed, and have hardly had to reject any. As we enter the third round, remember that any content promoted after the end of round 2 but before the start of round 3 can be claimed in round 3. Remember too that you must claim your points within 14 days of "earning" them.

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Bit of help at Species table
Hey, I'm trying to revamp List of sunbird species to make it an FLC (the draft is at my sandbox), and I've been using Template:Species table since I think that's it's a pretty good layout for species lists. However, I think the Size and ecology column is a bit extraneous since all of the species are around the same size and behave rather similarly. Could you add a parameter to get rid of the row to the template? Thanks, AryKun (talk) 15:29, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Makes sense; just added a |no-ecology=yes option, and added it to your first table in the sandbox as an example. Note that you have to add the parameter to the header template and each row template to suppress the column. Glad to see someone else using the template! -- Pres N  18:19, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you so much for the quick response! AryKun (talk) 18:23, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

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Archive Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 15:33, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

TFL notification for July 2023
Hi, PresN. I'm just posting to let you know that Lodestar Award for Best Young Adult Book – a list that you have been heavily involved with – has been chosen to appear on the Main Page as Today's featured list for July 10. The TFL blurb can be seen here. If you have any thoughts on the selection, please post them on my talk page or at TFL talk. Regards, Giants2008  ( Talk ) 00:27, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

Reverted edit on Zork
I saw that you reverted my edit, but what is wrong with in-paragraph references? The very next paragraph has at least 8 refs which are not listed at the end of the paragraph. Is that not actually better since the referencing is less ambiguous? - Indefensible (talk) 21:39, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
 * There's nothing wrong with in-paragraph references. The problem is that the fact(s) you were citing were already cited. Adding another citation to text that already has a citation doesn't add anything, it just throws more super-scripted numbers in there. If the new citation had more detail that wasn't found in the old one, then it would be worth swapping them out, but in this case it just repeated what was in the article already- in fact, it repeated it almost exactly, which means it either copied the citations already used, or else copied the article itself. In either case, adding it just to add it doesn't do anything. -- Pres N  21:47, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
 * At the very least that ref confirmed the fact which is only covered by and not . The ref is significantly more readable too. I think it could have stayed, there was little need to remove it for tidiness essentially. Indefensible (talk) 21:51, 28 June 2023 (UTC)