User talk:Pres Oak Lawn Comm

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Oak Lawn, Dallas, Texas and Oak Lawn, Dallas
Thanks for the nice message. I liked your additions and keep up the great work :)

And here is the but... (luckily I had nothing to do with you ;)

I noticed that there are Oak Lawns on Wikipedia already. Oak Lawn, Dallas, Texas is the most extensive and the one you have been editing, however Oak Lawn, Dallas already existed as well. Maybe you should try to merge the information of both pages and make a #REDIRECT Oak Lawn, Dallas out of it. I think the name Oak Lawn, Dallas is the better one since it's very unlikely that there is an Oak Lawn in another Dallas. Dr Debug (Talk) 22:10, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for noticing. I had not found the other page yet. Good suggestion. Regards, Pres Oak Lawn Comm 05:18, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

Your Contributions
Hello, welcome to the Wikipedia. I am a major (in most instances the major) contributing author of the Dallas, Texas article and all its related articles including structures, neighborhoods, roadways, and to some extent suburbs. I've noticed that you've begun doing work with the Uptown and Oak Lawn articles. First and foremost, I thank you for your input. But I also must reprimand you for your quick and hasty editing of the Cityplace article. I've reverted your edits, as you've made it out to be simply a building, when it is really an actual area or neighborhood. There is already a Cityplace Tower article. Cityplace's original land extended from the current West Village, east along the golf course, east past Central, and a little past Cityplace Tower. There is also a Target with a shopping center of the same name and the Loews Cityplace theater. I also object to your defintion of Oak Lawn.. while I am not familiar with the city of Dallas declaration noted in the Oak Lawn article, but I do know what the area's accepted bounds are: north and west of the Turtle Creek corridor, south of Highland Park, north and east of Harry Hines, and, generally, south and east of Kings Road. I do not agree that Oak Lawn even comes close to touching downtown Dallas. I am not going to alter your article yet, I would much rather you, who I assume is the President of the Oak Lawn Committee, did the alterations yourself. Note that if the city of Dallas really did label the entire area you've determined "Oak Lawn", it might've been a generalized term used to create the PID. drumguy 8800 - speak? 06:10, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

I noticed that you've already edited the Cityplace Tower article. You're alterations left a "the the" in the article, a broken wiki-link, and incorrect information. It is not part of Oak Lawn. This is a great headache, if I cannot come to a consensus with you in a timely manner about the whereabouts of Oak Lawn I may have to bring wikipedia administration into this. drumguy 8800 - speak? 06:14, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

I've solicited the help of people at the Dallas Fort Worth Urban Forum to clear things up. Sorry if you end up being right, this all gave me about a heart attack and a half.. wasn't sure how much you went through and edited. Ultimately, I would like to have a major neighborhood-identifier map of the entire city that we can place on every single neighborhood page. If Uptown is part of Oak Lawn, so be it.. I just need a map so that the entire city can be chopped up into little bite-size pieces and everything can be organized. If you are up for that kind of job, what Dallas-editors have been trying to build is a tier system.. I think the best system would be a two-tiered one, for example, North Dallas>Preston Hollow, East Dallas>Junius Heights, but a three-tiered system might work better if there are enough designations to merit such. drumguy 8800 - speak? 06:28, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for establishing these pages
Hi Drumguy,

Thank you for setting up these pages in the first place. My intent is to correct the inaccuracies and add some more detail. We seem to have some differing opinions.

Cityplace was originally a PDD granted by the City of Dallas at the request of Southland Corp. (the 7-Eleven people). They had land on both sides of Central Expressway and, as you previously noted, planned to build two towers with a skybridge across Central and surround those with condos, apartments, and retail. After they started on the first tower, they ran into financial difficulties and stopped with that building. They sold off the west side of Central and that is the area now known as West Village -- it is no longer Cityplace. The Cityplace area on the east side of Central does not extend to Bryan Place, it cannot be considered further than Capitol Avenue. It is a stretch to include the movie theater and the shopping center.

The boundaries of Oak Lawn were set by the City of Dallas in 1981 by the ordinance I quote in my updates. You can see the map we got from the City on the Oak Lawn Commitee website. You quote an opinion held by some, but it is in error.

Uptown is a TIF area within the Oak Lawn and State-Thomas districts. It does not extend to include the Victory development nor north to include the Mondrian. Cityplace Tower is on the east side of Central Expressway, so it cannot be considered part of Uptown either.

I think you need to do more research before you remove my edits of your articles.

Thanks, Michael Milliken President, The Oak Lawn Committee

p.s. About Cityplace
By the way, yes, I unfortunately left a "the the" in there, I did NOT claim that Cityplace is in Oak Lawn. I wrote that it is "across from the the Uptown area of the [[Oak Lawn, Dallas, Texas|Oak Lawn neighborhood] in Dallas, Texas." The words "across from" are a lot different than "in".

New Organizational Stuff
Thanks for the quick response. I see your point now.. feel free to go back through and edit, but one thing I must request is that you simplify Oak lawn neighborhood to simply Oak Lawn when making your wikilinks. Also, I've been looking for help, like I mentioned before, with a reorganization of the Dallas neighborhood articles at some sort of logical level. I've been splicing up maps this morning.. I can't finish with them yet, but I'll work on them later tonight. Before I begin spewing an idea fountain at you, I'd like to acknowledge that you're interested in helping sort things out. You seem to know a very good deal about Dallas and that's just what we need. Feel free to decline, but also note that, at the minumum, what I need help with shouldn't require too much time out of you if you don't feel like dealing with it. I'm going to make maps, I'll send them to you for a review, and you can tell me what needs to be moved / renamed / altered or whatever. Once we have the city logically sorted out into neighborhoods, I can make a final map out of a template with interactive links to surrounding neighborhoods, communities, districts, etc. I can also go through all the articles and rewrite everything as needed, I don't expect you to do any of the tedium. Thanks.. and if you accept, I look forward to working with you.. Derek drumguy 8800  - speak? 14:09, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

Cityplace
Also I must again argue that Cityplace is somewhat a "district." In the new system it can be a 3rd-level grouping.. similar to LoMac. There is a Cityplace West Boulevard and the Mondrian is the "Mondrian at Cityplace".. also there are plans to build a Cityplace Station Tower on the Cityplace Tower West plot. drumguy 8800 - speak? 14:14, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

Great plans!
Hi Drumguy,

I really like the plans you outline. It would greatly improve the structure. As you might have noticed, my time is limited to devote to Wikipedia, but I would like to assist where I can.

Thanks, Michael Pres Oak Lawn Comm 04:24, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

Private schools
Given the flow of the rest of the article, I reduced the private schools to 1-liners. There are also many private schools and preschools not shown. Either we should list them all, we should list only the notable ones, or we should list the ones serving a particular grade level or higher. I'm inclined to list all that serve grades 9 or higher plus all which are notable outside the Dallas area. Listing all the preschools and private kindergartens would become listcruft very quickly.

Before expanding the individual schools, the issues raised in the cleanup templates need addressing. davidwr/ (talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail)  03:54, 23 November 2008 (UTC)