User talk:PrimeHunter/Archive 12

Reftools
Hi PrimeHunter--I'm here following up on a query I posted (Help_desk/Archives/2016_December_12), with answers provided by. I couldn't follow up last month, but here I am, still with no "cite" button in whatever version of toolbar I have. I need, like really need, the autofill function (for ISBNs, doi, GBook URLs) and I don't know how to get it back. I don't know if reference was made to refToolPlus in the note about the thing that hadn't been looked at since 2011. Whatever you can do to help me will be most welcome; I don't understand any of this vector stuff anyway, so if you can fix something by plunging in there, be my guest; it's like an appendix, I'm sure I won't feel a thing. Thanks in advance... Drmies (talk) 23:02, 2 January 2017 (UTC)
 * I can look at it if you answer some questions. What is your browser? Have you tried to clear your entire cache? Does a cite button appear and work when you log out? What is your skin at Special:Preferences? Is "Show edit toolbar (requires JavaScript)" enabled at Special:Preferences? Is "Enable enhanced editing toolbar" enabled? Do you see one of the toolbars at Help:Edit toolbar except a cite button? PrimeHunter (talk) 23:47, 2 January 2017 (UTC)
 * I use Firefox. I have it on all my computers--I just moved to my laptop, but I'll purge, though I don't think it will help since this thing is brand new. Logged-out editing is STRICTLY VERBOTEN, haha; don't tell ArbCom but I'll check. I don't know what a skin is or what I have, and I'll check on the others. Thanks! Drmies (talk) 00:35, 3 January 2017 (UTC)
 * OK, I purged; no change. Logged out I get the second toolbar on Help:Toolbar; I checked the enhanced button and logged in (with cache bypassed) I now also get that toolbar when I am logged in; before that I had the first one, the "Standard toolbar", without the cite button. If I could just get that first one back, the "Standard toolbar" WITH the cite button, I'd be happy enough already. Oh, my "skin" is "Vector". Drmies (talk) 00:42, 3 January 2017 (UTC)
 * When I log out in Firefox 50.1.0 on Windows Vista I get the third toolbar at Help:Edit toolbar including the Cite button. I can sometimes see the second toolbar loading first but being overwritten after a fraction of a second. Something may prevent this for you, maybe a browser setting or browser extension. If it doesn't work logged out then I suggest you focus on getting it to work there and forget account settings for now. If you get it to work logged out then maybe it will also work logged in. Can you try another computer, browser or Firefox version, or a newly installed Firefox with default settings and no extensions? You don't have to save when logged out. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:17, 3 January 2017 (UTC)
 * This is messed up. I just tried it in Explorer. Logged out, I get the fancy one (the third) with the Cite button. When I log in it's the same one--but without the button. Surely there's someone higher up who can fix this...? Drmies (talk) 02:35, 3 January 2017 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Thanks! PrimeHunter (talk) 19:15, 9 January 2017 (UTC)

Further re hastemplate
What is the syntax for template names with spaces. E.g., for Mark Twain how do I use the hastemplate syntax?--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 19:56, 11 January 2017 (UTC)
 * . PrimeHunter (talk) 21:41, 11 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Thx.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 14:36, 12 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Why does"Dombey and Son" -hastemplate:"Maurice Elvey" have the same result as "Dombey and Son"?--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 02:02, 13 January 2017 (UTC)
 * It doesn't for me. The upper right corner says 113 results for the former and 260 for the latter. It says 147 for "Dombey and Son" hastemplate:"Maurice Elvey". 260-147 = 113 so it sounds right. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:25, 13 January 2017 (UTC)
 * You are correct. Maybe there was some sort of issue with my cache?--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 02:55, 13 January 2017 (UTC)

Improved nonwikilink syntax
Feel free to edit the recent changes to my creations subpage to demonstrate an improved syntax. I am not really sure what you are suggesting. I think you were suggesting two different improvements.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 05:09, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes, it was two different things and there is no reason to use both. They don't improve the result but only simplify the code. I have used nonwikilink.[//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:TonyTheTiger/creations&diff=760838974&oldid=760731646] PrimeHunter (talk) 11:15, 19 January 2017 (UTC)

List of Encantadia (2016 TV series) episodes
Hi! Can you help me? You're an admin right? Can you remove the copyright tag on List of Encantadia (2016 TV series) episodes? Then, transfer the contents of Talk:List of Encantadia (2016 TV series) episodes/Temp to that original page. I know only admins can do it. The admin who put that tag on me is not responding. I hope you can help. Thanks a lot. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Leo kingston (talk • contribs)
 * I don't work with copyright investigations and Special:Contributions/Jac16888 shows no edits since your post so I suggest waiting to see if he responds. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:40, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter - February 2017
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your opinion
hi, I posted this at the help desk(and request a query), you helped me once w/ so I'm seeking your opinion what to do?, thank you--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 01:06, 20 February 2017 (UTC)

My Tables
Hi PrimeHunter,

I really appreciate your response to my question about the disappearing tables on Constantine Mavroudis, MD on the Teahouse. You cited a sentence from my material is from a website which I have never seen. I used his CV for the tables which were factual. I am happy to edit anything that is similar to other websites but the paragraphs I wrote were completely my own material. I'm getting a little discouraged :( Thank you for any help or direction you provide. I would send you a barnstar or a cookie but I don't know how. amr247rnAmr247rn (talk) 15:52, 28 February 2017 (UTC)
 * I have mailed a copy of the last version of the deleted page. I suggest starting from Articles for creation if you try to make an article. Please cite your sources inline but reformulate their content without copying whole sentences. The faculty paragraph was suspiciously similar to although you may have seen the same text somewhere else. A long list of papers doesn't belong in a Wikipedia biography. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:07, 28 February 2017 (UTC)

Thank you so much! My intention is to put the list of papers and publications under references but I am not really sure how to do that. Do you think that would be appropriate? Again, thank you for all your help. As I stated, this is my first entry. I am a clinician by trade, not incredibly savvy with computers. This is a bit overwhelming but I feel this contribution is a worthwhile subject. I would be happy to provide more contributions or edits in my field of expertise but first I better get more acquainted with this end of Wikipedia. Amr247rn (talk) 20:38, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
 * References is for sources used to write the article. A paper by the subject is only a reference if the article talks about the paper or something mentioned in the paper. Your list of papers is far too long to display anywhere in Wikipedia. Many academic biographies have a section like Victor Negus. You can look for biographies in Category:GA-Class medicine articles to see what is in some articles which have been classified as good articles. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:23, 2 March 2017 (UTC)

I see!!! This was very helpful! OK, you have given me some good direction. Thank you for not tearing this apart, it's a little bit of a rough place for newcomers like myselfAmr247rn (talk) 21:30, 2 March 2017 (UTC)

Lost password
Hi, I am contacting you here because I saw you are active at the help desk. I am in quite a pickle. I was editing yesterday and when I wanted to put a pic on Wikimedia, the page asked me to login. Fair enough, I did so, then a page jumped out that my password is not safe and that I should change it. Being in the middle of thought process as I was writing article I put in a better password... only to find out now that none of my usual suspects work. Sadly, I didn't include email address into my profile. Is there any way to retrieve the password or do I need to abandon my 7 years old profile? User:Cimmerian praetor

Thank you in advance. 82.142.96.207 (talk) 08:04, 6 March 2017 (UTC)
 * There is no way to retrieve the current password. A former version of meta:Privacy policy said: "Users whose accounts do not have a valid email address will not be able to reset their password if it is lost. In such a situation, however, users may be able to contact one of the Wikimedia server administrators to enter a new e-mail address." It was removed in 2013.[//meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Privacy_policy&diff=5776340&oldid=5436655] I have quoted it to several users [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?search=%22users+may+be+able+to+contact+one+of+the+Wikimedia+server+administrators+to+enter+a+new+e-mail+address%22&title=Special:Search&profile=all&fulltext=1] but none of them said whether they tried it. The only feedback I ever received about it is from TheDJ at Village pump (technical)/Archive 122. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:14, 6 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much, back to trying combinations of usual suspects then. 82.142.96.207 (talk) 12:24, 6 March 2017 (UTC)
 * It took quite some time, but I managed to scramble together the password. Thank you for replying so fast. Cimmerian praetor (talk) 14:38, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

List of The Catch episodes
I'd tried your version in one revision, and it didn't seem to work. But I admit I seemed to be having cacheing issues too. The version I wound up with only worked after five minutes. So I might have gotten a false-positive in my testing. Morfusmax (talk) 18:41, 21 March 2017 (UTC)
 * After editing a template or other transcluded page you may have to purge pages transcluding it to see the effect right away. There is an automatic update process but it varies how long it takes. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:25, 21 March 2017 (UTC)

Talkback message from Tito Dutta
Tito Dutta (talk) 18:49, 25 March 2017 (UTC)

Hah
Thanks for catching that typo. The unconscious association to Stanford University is too stronk. Timothy Joseph Wood 22:59, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

Rogue One article
We can discuss it later. The source specifically mentioned it's not the first SW spin-off but it's the first canon which the lead also mention. But it can be discussed later on.--NadirAli نادر علی (talk) 21:01, 2 April 2017 (UTC)

CinemaScore: reply
Hi PrimeHunter. In principle, you'd be right, but the facts show that not everyone knows to use CinemaScore and so mark it as a  (1st example; 2nd example). I was just trying to simplify things. CinemaScore has had a new idea: is exploiting its official Twitter account to publish images that unite its average grade and the movie poster. Why not be more user-friendly by directly linking these pictures? Are they less reliable sources of what you find on cinemascore.com? Lanari Mauro. 82.84.33.205 (talk) 03:32, 9 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Your answer has been invaluable. You're right: 1) the original Twitter would be a better source; 2) it would be even better if CinemaScore had a verified Twitter account with a blue badge; 3) currently you apparently have to find the Twitter link at https://www.cinemascore.com to check it's authentic.
 * All true, but once you do this check, why not help users and readers? Although the Twitter account was a fake (I wouldn't be so sure: link and data match), the information is correct and this should be enough. However, there are worse trouble, don't worry. Thanks again. Mauro. 82.84.28.70 (talk) 05:57, 10 April 2017 (UTC)

Timestamp (football)
Hi there sorry to bother you. My account is temporarily banned due to an editing war so this is the only method I can reach you. I have no idea until now that Mórtas is Dóchas (talk) actually started this conversation with the moditaor and stabbed me in my back. Nice. I concur that the exact time figure of the timestamp can be more precise. I am not denying that, at all. In fact, I started to add additional timing figure (with UTC) for my editing from yesterday. Nevertheless, I agree with Vaseline and Liam. A reader would want to know the date of the last match a player had participated in a domestic league or on international duty, not when some random editor decided to update the timestamp when nothing regarding the statistics can be updated. For instance, the case of Seamus Coleman. Coleman last played for Ireland and thus broken his right leg on 24 March 2017. My initial intention was always plain and simple, that is, to provide the most accurate statistics for readers. We learn from the page the exact date of a game being played by an individual and not edited by someone who deemed he can edit the timestamp whenever he likes even there is nothing to update. Bearing in mind Coleman's 43rd cap for Ireland came on 24 March 2017 and that is the reason why my timestamp was so precise and that was dated 24 March 2017 even I edited the page a couple of hours following the match between Ireland vs Wales. Mortas and his multi reverted my editing and timestamp when they deem they are not happy with the exact and precise statistics (like the Coleman case, he had to keep changing it to 2am 25 March 2017). All the initial update and statistics were done by me a few hours, sometimes a day later...after the matches. This applied to all those pages involving Everton players. Vaseline was spot on and continued to make another great point "this may also cause confusion when another editor goes to update the timestamp since it may not be apparent up to which match the timestamp was updated for". Kindly consider our viewpoint and suggestion on this issue. Cheers mods. Efc1878 (User talk:Efc1878) 10:25, 10 April 2017 (UTC)

Thank you for fixing those pesky inter-language links

 * Thanks! PrimeHunter (talk) 09:48, 12 April 2017 (UTC)

Out of curiosity...
What programming languages do you know? The Transhumanist 21:00, 13 April 2017 (UTC)
 * It depends what you call a programming language and how much knowledge is required. I mostly use C (programming language) and PARI/GP. I learned several others long ago but have forgotten many details. The languages I have learned are unfortunately not useful at Wikipedia. I don't know PHP (MediaWiki itself), Lua (modules), or JavaScript (I can make a few simple changes to existing scripts). I do know MediaWiki's "template language". PrimeHunter (talk) 22:22, 13 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Currently, I'm delving into JavaScript. I'm building up the JavaScript WikiProject, the Draft:Outline of JavaScript, the Outline of user scripts, and I'm developing a couple user scripts: User:The Transhumanist/anno.js, to toggle (hide/show) the annotations in bullet list entries, and User:The Transhumanist/OLUtils.js, a redlink remover. I'm having particular trouble with anno.js, in that I can't figure out how to precisely reset the location of the viewport to offset text shift resulting from making annotation content disappear.
 * By the way, if you are in the mood to dabble with JavaScript from time to time, feel free to join the WikiProject (hint hint). ;) Also, I'm in the process of verbosely documenting the source code of the scripts I'm writing, both in the comments in the code and as in-depth explanatory notes on the talk pages. It's so I don't forget what I've learned, and to help others follow along and learn it in the context of actual code being developed for real-world use, rather than from some hypothetical point-of-view.
 * I'd like to get a group of editors together who are interested in learning the JavaScript language, to benefit from group synergy, comment on each others' user script projects, sharing ideas and experiences, and perhaps improving Wikipedia's coverage of JavaScript topics (and improve WP's JS support pages) along the way. If this sounds like something you would enjoy, please let me know. The Transhumanist 00:54, 14 April 2017 (UTC)

Are you psychic?
Special:Contributions/117.202.81.185 is empty, so I have no idea how you could write that. Am I missing something obvious? Tigraan Click here to contact me 14:24, 27 April 2017 (UTC)
 * As an admin I can see a deleted edit by the IP to Talk:Krishna Kaanth, contesting the deletion of Krishna Kaanth. I don't know a non-admin way to track this. As an admin I can also see the page history of Krishna Kaanth. Once the page name is known, non-admins can guess the creator from Special:WhatLinksHere/Krishna Kaanth. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:37, 27 April 2017 (UTC)
 * OK, makes sense. I forgot deleted contributions don't show up in the history. Thanks for the explanation. Tigraan Click here to contact me 14:40, 27 April 2017 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Thanks! PrimeHunter (talk) 17:52, 30 April 2017 (UTC)

That image link on VPT
Hi there. That image link you posted on VPT might have account details in it. I'm just guessing, but that's what "accNbrShort" suggests to me, and could be why it was chopped down. Murph 9000 (talk) 11:19, 3 May 2017 (UTC)
 * TheDJ posted http://fmp.cit.nih.gov/hi/FMPro?-db=HI_images.fp5&-Token.8=34318&-format=detailsimg.html&accNbrShort=3709&-L from the end of an automatic upload summary consisting of the page source cut off when the edit summary length limit was reached. "accNbr" may sound like account number but both the original upload and File:HeLa Cells Image 3709-PH.jpg say "Image ID: 3709" so it appears to be an image number, and the uploader kept 3709 in both the file name and description. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:40, 3 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Ahh, ok, possibly misplaced concern on my part then. Sorry for not spotting that, I obviously didn't read the whole thing thoroughly enough.  Thanks.   Murph 9000  (talk) 11:43, 3 May 2017 (UTC)

Maintenance error from archive
Hi, I saw your teahouse response to an issue similar to Module talk:Location map. No one has answered over there (it's only been a day), but maybe you have a suggestion. Thanks. MB 20:44, 17 May 2017 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Thanks! PrimeHunter (talk) 00:13, 1 June 2017 (UTC)

A beer for you!

 * Thanks! PrimeHunter (talk) 22:01, 6 June 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for your help

 * Thanks! PrimeHunter (talk) 15:04, 8 June 2017 (UTC)

Search user contribs
Hello, PrimeHunter! Than you very much for answering and fixing the link so quickly, too! Since I'm already here, you may allow me to ask you: Would you have an idea whether it is possible to search a user contribs page for particular text? I haven't come across a proper tool for that up to now. Have you by any chance? (As I already wrote, WikiBlame doesn't seem to work there.) Best--Erdic (talk) 13:44, 10 June 2017 (UTC)
 * I don't know a method to search the contents of the edits. A page history is easier to search because a tool or user can compare versions far apart and gradually narrow it down to find when something was added. A string in edit summaries in user contributions can be searched with a browser, usually with, but it only works on the contributions visible on the page at the time. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:10, 10 June 2017 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:Glossaries of biology
Template:Glossaries of biology has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 00:42, 16 June 2017 (UTC)

Thank you
Thank you for your answer to the question on the 2017 deaths category. Vorbee (talk) 17:57, 17 June 2017 (UTC)

Search and replace regex
Hi PrimeHunter,

How do you remove a parameter with material inside of it (e.g. |access(-)date=(date) )? -- 1989 21:11, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Try replacing  with  . It assumes the parameter ends at the next pipe or } . PrimeHunter (talk) 22:43, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

How do you remove this parameter? (e.g. |(A|a)ux4=0.00 ) -- 1989 00:56, 24 September 2017 (UTC)
 * It's trickier when the parameter doesn't end at the next pipe or } . There are many scenarios and I don't want to work on it. PrimeHunter (talk) 09:31, 24 September 2017 (UTC)

Talkback
Sinner (talk) 17:03, 27 June 2017 (UTC)

Barnstar

 * Thanks! PrimeHunter (talk) 17:11, 12 July 2017 (UTC)

Table
Hi Prime Hunder, how do I remove the Row's from the Ref (last) column in the table ? --Saqib (talk) 06:40, 26 July 2017 (UTC)
 * What do you mean? Do you want to remove the whole Ref column? PrimeHunter (talk) 10:05, 26 July 2017 (UTC)
 * No. I wanted to merge rows. Right now there are around 350 rows in Ref column which I wanted to make as one. --Saqib (talk) 10:12, 26 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Like [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_members_of_the_13th_National_Assembly_of_Pakistan&diff=792411450&oldid=792396690]? Or also merge the row with "Indirectly elected on reserved seats"? PrimeHunter (talk) 10:49, 26 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks! --Saqib (talk) 10:54, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

Redirect guidance - big thanks
Thanks so much for helping me with my sandbox confusion. Much appreciated. I'm sorry for the delay in thanking you - I wasn't able to look for a couple of days.ECURBEC (talk) 09:09, 6 August 2017 (UTC)

Random Acts of Kindness
This was supposed to be a barnstar "WP:*" GrammerCracker96 (talk) 01:12, 10 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks! I have added the barnstar code. PrimeHunter (talk) 08:59, 10 August 2017 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Thanks! PrimeHunter (talk) 14:14, 11 August 2017 (UTC)

Good Correction, Thanks!

 * Thanks! PrimeHunter (talk) 17:03, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

Talkback
--Nev&eacute;–selbert 18:03, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

A Guidance barnstar for you!

 * Thanks! PrimeHunter (talk) 10:56, 2 September 2017 (UTC)

Help:URL
It might be useful to include that subst:google template in the help pages somewhere because I was not aware of it, and even went to the trouble of writing an unnecessary new help section to deal with that fact. &Alpha; Guy into Books &trade; &sect; ( Message ) -  22:19, 11 September 2017 (UTC)
 * I have added Category:External link templates to see also. I don't think a Google template should be singled out. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:35, 11 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Good idea, I was only concerned about the google links after seeing issues in AfD (where linking to a google search is actually useful sometimes). &Alpha; Guy into Books &trade;  &sect; ( Message ) -  22:44, 11 September 2017 (UTC)

Who am I dealing with?
I seem to have run into a buzzsaw of an IP at Talk:Rafael Nadal. Not sure who he is or if any of the others in the conversation are suspect, but could you deal with it (or have someone else deal with it). It's grown tiresome for me and probably editor, and I'd rather just move on from the situation. Fyunck(click) (talk) 04:37, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

Template:Post-nominals
Hi PrimeHunter. Would you mind helping me with this issue I'm having with said template? I'd like to change to the default option, so that if country is empty instead of it defaulting to CAN it instead defaults to unlinked, so that the post-nominals are not linked to any particular version. I'm not quite sure how to code this.--Nev&eacute;–selbert 22:56, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

Largest known prime number
Hi PrimeHunter,

I was reverting vandalism on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Largest_known_prime_number. For some reason you in turn reverted my revision as vandalism? Could you explain please.Renerpho (talk) 18:19, 23 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks for helping out but you only reverted some of the IP vandalism in the page history [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Largest_known_prime_number&action=history]. I reverted the rest by restoring an old version from before the vandalism started. See Help:Reverting for an easy method to do this. PrimeHunter (talk) 18:24, 23 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Okay, thanks! Renerpho (talk) 23:24, 23 September 2017 (UTC)

Talkback
--Nev&eacute;–selbert 07:27, 2 October 2017 (UTC)

Talkback
--Nev&eacute;–selbert 17:31, 12 October 2017 (UTC)

Template:Cite DNB
Sorry to bother you again with something, but would mind taking a look at the discussion going on here? To give you the lowdown, back in September I submitted an edit request where I proposed that hyphens appearing in wstitle be automatically converted to en dashes if part of a date range. My edit request was essentially denied, although eventually a user came up with a solution by means of a new parameter, display, which I found inadequate. The user responded by saying that the date ranges were merely disambiguators and there is no requirement that they appear in the template. I responded by saying why not do away with display and instead have the template remove the disambiguators automatically (WP:PIPETRICK). Now I'm not sure how to do this, but I figured you might have an idea or two. Thanks by the way for all the help you have given in the past, it means a lot .--Nev&eacute;–selbert 01:04, 15 October 2017 (UTC)


 * WP:PIPETRICK works by converting wikitext the moment it's saved, so it cannot be used for this purpose. I don't want to get involved in the discussion but I did note one thing you may be interested in. Cite DNB doesn't cite Wikisource, it cites the actual Dictionary of National Biography and just provides a Wikisource link for the source text without readers knowing Wikisource is involved unless they use the link. s:Page:Dictionary of National Biography volume 01.djvu/19 shows a [//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e3/Dictionary_of_National_Biography_volume_01.djvu/page19-850px-Dictionary_of_National_Biography_volume_01.djvu.jpg scan] of the original source. It says: "ABBOT, GEORGE (1562–1633), arch-bishop". The year range has a longer dash than the hyphen in arch-bishop, so I assume it's an en dash. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:38, 15 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks for finding the source text, I should have thought to look ages ago . I've since submitted another edit request.--Nev&eacute;–selbert 19:45, 18 October 2017 (UTC)

Your Teahouse response
You didn't know what was meant by "the default red link" but I often create redirects or even articles by searching fro the topic, and on the page of search results there is a red link if the article with the title matching the search terms doesn't exist.

Someone asked me to link to what I was referring to so it's on WP:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 665. I'm way behind.— Vchimpanzee  •  talk  •  contributions  •  21:56, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

Thank you for your Tea House response.
Hello, PrimeHunter. A couple of weeks ago I made a query in the Tea House regarding how to generate the circle-c copyright symbol. I appreciate your answer that, generally, symbols are not used in encyclopedic formats of writing. Just to let you know, in this case, the copyright symbol is absolutely required. I am a paid editor that is writing for the company that I work for - all of the necessary Wikipedia declarations to that effect have been made. The company that I work for has a significant presence working with Disney Corporation in the early cel animation industry - note: cel is spelled correctly, it is an abbreviation of the word "celluloid". This company also has a significant presence in the movie-making industry for the high-speed film cameras that have been engineered and manufactured for special effects and various types of testing (such as automotive crash testing). Given this company's presence in both the early animation industry and high-speed film camera industry, the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences (circle-c) has awarded this company Academy Awards for technical excellence on two occasions in the 1980's. A photo of one of those Academy Awards appears in the article that I am writing. The Academy (A.M.P.A.S.)(circle-c) absolutely demands(!!!!!) that whenever a photo of an Academy Award appears online or in print, that the appropriate copyright notice must(!!!) be included along with the photo. I know this because I am also the web master for this company. When I first joined this company in 2006, one of my primary jobs was to rebuild the web site. When it came to the two photos of the Academy Awards that this company was awarded by the Academy (that appear on the company web site), I knew that the proper copyright notation was needed, and, that certain companies demand that the copyright notice be placed and noted in a very, very specific manner. The Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences (circle-c) / A.M.P.A.S. (circle-c) is one of those entities. It took me two entire work days (searching the A.M.P.A.S.(circle-c) web site) to find how to properly present the ACADEMY (circle-c) copyright notation required. That was in 2006. When it comes to proper notation of the Academy (circle-c) Copyright, it must be presented in this manner:  (circle-c) Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences (circle-c)   (circle-c) A.M.P.A.S. (circle-c). Those two lines must appear together in relation to any photograph of any Academy Award that appears in print or online. Right now, the article resides on my User/Sandbox page since the article is still being "built". Thank you again for your response to my query in the Tea House. When it comes to the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences (circle-c) / A.M.P.A.S. (circle-c), those copyright symbols must appear in the caption of that photo of the Academy Award that was awarded to this company by The Academy (circle-c). Best regards, Verbwright981 (talk) 21:17, 30 October 2017 (UTC)
 * See Copyright symbol. At Teahouse/Questions/Archive 680 you said "the body of the article" so I assumed it was for the normal article text and not a caption. Images displayed in Wikipedia have a file page you can usually reach by clicking the file, e.g. File:Academy Award trophy.jpg displayed at Academy Awards. I don't know much copyright law but Wikipedia considers it sufficient to have copyright and license information on the file page and not where the file is displayed. However, images of copyrighted art works are generally only allowed in Wikipedia with a fair use rationale like at File:Academy Award trophy.jpg, and must be uploaded directly to the English Wikipedia. Wikimedia Commons doesn't allow fair use images at all. commons:File:Photo-Sonics Inc Award for 4ER camera.jpg looks like a disallowed upload. You cannot take a photo of a copyrighted work and then claim copyright on your photo and publish it as your own work. I think commons:File:Photo-Sonics Inc Award for 4ER camera.jpg has to be deleted and I don't think it would be allowed at Wikipedia either for the purpose of displaying it in an article about the company which received the award. Fair-use images are not allowed in drafts at all so it doesn't belong in User:Verbwright981/sandbox. See Non-free content. If AMPAS allows use in certain circumstances where a copyrighted art work wouldn't normally be allowed then matters may be different but it would require documentation of what AMPAS allows. Do you have a link? The simplest solution is to just let the image be deleted and not try to use it. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:39, 30 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Hello, PrimeHunter. In accordance with the rules set forth by The Academy©, the Academy© requires that the copyright symbol and/or the Registered (circle-r) mark, whether that mention is in the body of text or in a caption in association with a photograph of the Award© statuette/plaque or similar. The design of any and all Academy Awards© is/are strictly the property of the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences© and nobody else. That photo of the Award© was taken here, on site, of the actual Award© that is in Photo-Sonics' company possession. The claim of ownership is of the photo taken, not(!!!) the Award© design. My boss told me a while ago that the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences© used to go into the ISP server that hosted the Photo-Sonics web site (before the redesign and rebuild of the company web site) and would delete the photos of the Awards© from the company web site because the proper copyright notices were not displayed. Since the rebuild (in 2006) of the Photo-Sonics web site (with the proper copyright notations), the Academy© has ceased deleting the photos of the Oscar© images on the company web site. I just visited the Academy© web site and found the rules for copyrights in association with images of the Award© statuette. This time it took only a few minutes as opposed to the two complete work days needed back in 2006 - back then the copyright notice rules were deeply buried in the Academy© web site and took quite a bit of "mining" to find it. Here is a link to the current web page: http://www.oscars.org/legal/regulations  . The Copyrights and Trademarks section, line item number 2 describes the required Copyright and Trademark notations that I followed back in 2006, except that 2 circle-c's were required back then. Also, please refer to the Editorial Use section, line item 20a. Back in 2006, two circle-c's were required and placed in a very specific manner. Now, it looks like a copyright mark and/or a Registered mark are required, depending on context and usage. I know just a little bit of basics of copyright law (I am not a lawyer). I don't know anything about Fair Use and need to do some research on that. If the photo of the Academy Award© needs to be removed, please let me do it. I have to confer with my boss as to these requirements and let him know first. Thank you for your assistance. Verbwright981 (talk) 16:19, 31 October 2017 (UTC)
 * I have posted the case to Media copyright questions. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:50, 31 October 2017 (UTC)
 * I just noticed the link you provided to the article on the Digital Representation of the Copyright Symbol. Thank you for that. Since I am not (or was not) familiar with the Fair Use rules, I did a google search to find out what it is and found a web site that explains both copyright and fair use that was written by a lawyer: https://www.socialmediaexaminer.com/copyright-fair-use-and-how-it-works-for-online-images/. Photo-Sonics owns the copyright of the photo taken (in question) since that photo was taken by Photo-Sonics of an Academy Award© that was earned by Photo-Sonics. The Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences© owns the copyright to all designs of the Academy Award© in all of its forms. Since the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences© did not take the photo in question, the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences© does not own the copyright to that photo. Given that, that photo should not be directed by Fair Use. However, since the design of the subject matter (the Academy Award©) is owned by the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences©, the proper credit must be made in the caption to properly designate that the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences© owns the copyright to the design of the Academy Award©. Awaiting the Wikipedia:Media copyright questions comment. Verbwright981 (talk) 19:34, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

Maintenance category question
Hi, I have a general question arising from something specific and thought maybe you could help. I have been working on cleaning up the map errors that get logged in Category:Location maps with possible errors. User Frietjes has been very helpful in improving the situation, and now the different errors each have a different sub-category. Over the last year, I have fixed them all except the ones remaining in Category:Location maps with marks outside map and outside parameter not set. The remaining errors do not affect articles. Many of them are in user space, and the others are in a variety of other places.

Currently, I look at this category for new article-space errors to be fixed. It's not that difficult to find them in this list, but it would still be preferable if these errors weren't there at all so I would just have to check if the category was non-zero. Are you aware of any precedent for this sort of thing? One thought would be to put these in a further sub-cat (such as Location errors not in article space and not worth fixing).

I just thought you may be able to think of a better solution that doesn't require much effort. MB 01:41, 6 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Many templates and modules make a namespace check to only add maintenance categories in mainspace. For example, Lang adds Category:Articles containing unknown ISO 639 language template to articles and nothing to other pages. I only know how to code it in templates and not modules like Module:Location map. I don't know an example of adding different categories for different namespaces. Category:Pages with disallowed DISPLAYTITLE modifications is populated by a MediaWiki feature which cannot be made namespace dependent so I added code like this to get a search link for articles:
 * The code could be used in Category:Location maps with marks outside map and outside parameter not set but would require a click to see whether there are articles. By replacing  with   you could place the link on any page like this:
 * [ This search] only displays articles in the category (may include recently removed articles).
 * The search is currently empty but would have shown articles. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:22, 6 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Since you say there is precedent for maintenance categories to be populated only from mainspace errors, I think I will try to get someone to change the module to do this. That appears to the be best solution since once implemented, no one has to do anything further and it would be consistent with other maintenance categories. MB 02:42, 6 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Since you say there is precedent for maintenance categories to be populated only from mainspace errors, I think I will try to get someone to change the module to do this. That appears to the be best solution since once implemented, no one has to do anything further and it would be consistent with other maintenance categories. MB 02:42, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

Apology for sandbox
I am sorry for misusing the sandbox but I can assure you I was not attempting to make a hoax or spread false information in anyway. But I do apologize and am sorry. The reason I cam here was not to retrieve data but to see why my post was deleted and that has been answered by you. I thank you for explaining the tome, I did not realize that my template could be seen as a hoax and fit the criteria for one. I am a new wikipedia and my goal is to help people not to vandalize or spread false information in any way. I apologize YuriGagrin12 (talk) 19:45, 23 November 2017 (UTC)
 * OK. New users users aren't expected to know everything. You are allowed to create a new sandbox page for testing without inappropriate content. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:29, 23 November 2017 (UTC)

A cookie for you!

 * Thanks! PrimeHunter (talk) 21:41, 26 November 2017 (UTC)

Discussion at Help talk:Citation Style 1
You are invited to join the discussion at Help talk:Citation Style 1. Hi there Jens. I was just wondering whether you might want to comment on this particular query of mine. --Nev&eacute;–selbert 21:39, 26 November 2017 (UTC)

Mersenne numbers in nature and elsewhere pyramid charts
"A citation is not needed for descriptions such as alt text that are verifiable directly from the image itself" It does not need a source as it is instantly verifiable by anyone who does exactly as explicitly stated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kulprit001 (talk • contribs) 00:48, 3 December 2017 (UTC)
 * If something is challenged by other editors then it absolutely needs a source. I linked the relevant policy WP:CHALLENGE in my edit summary. Read it and stop edit warring to add unsourced content. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:20, 3 December 2017 (UTC)