User talk:Primefac/Archive 21

Reverse Elisa
Can you please give me more information on why you deleted my edit? In particular, why you did so with any contact or notice to me? The reverse ELISA is a legitimate test. It is not advertising as the first of the two cited patents has already reverted to the public domain and the second will so within a year or so. The company to which they have been assigned is being closed with any assets returned to the State of Texas. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dcharbonnet (talk • contribs) 02:47, 12 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Wasn't me. Looks like you want to talk to (and Natureium, you're welcome to carry on the conversation here or on their talk as you see fit). Primefac (talk) 15:07, 12 October 2018 (UTC)
 * There are a few issues with what you added to ELISA. First, any biomedical information needs to have WP:MEDRS-compliant sources, which means we do not use primary sources, including patents. Second, ELISA is a very broad type of assay, and only the most directly related and widely used forms are covered in the ELISA article. If we were to include all variations of the assay, we could fill an encyclopedia of just that. Third, a more minor point is that adding information about the advantages of something without acknowledging the drawbacks tends to look promotional. If you have any more questions, feel free to leave a message on my talk page. Natureium (talk) 17:45, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

request for help with an IP removing redirects
Hi I came across a load of old redirects that had been removed by an IP user on "Now that's what I call music" albums without adding sources. They have been reverted several times by another editor notably. I saw that you recently closed a deletion discussion on a load of these albums Articles for deletion/Now That's What I Call Music! 67 (UK series). I was wondering if there is not a way of removing the history to leave just the redirects which will stop the reverting to a previous version and force the disruptive editors to recreate from scratch the pages or protecting these redirects. --Dom from Paris (talk) 12:59, 17 October 2018 (UTC)
 * I've blocked the IP for now, but for now I'd say it's not proper to delete the entire history just to keep a vandal from reverting the change from a non-notable article to a redirect. Primefac (talk) 16:11, 17 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Ok thanks for your help. Dom from Paris (talk) 19:58, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

Template talk:Japanese episode list
Hey Primefac, thanks for helping out again. The updates required to be to all articles transcluding Japanese episode list/sublist, and (basically the same as last time) the replacements are: Thanks again. --  Alex TW 01:49, 18 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Find:
 * Replace:
 * I have merged the templates now, so can these changes be made ASAP? Thanks &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 10:07, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
 * I am incredibly busy the next 48 hours, but will do my best to get to this on Sunday. Primefac (talk) 10:08, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
 * As it's only 400 articles, I could run it through AWB myself even sooner, it wouldn't be too much of a hassle. --  Alex TW 00:19, 20 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Running, should be done in a bit. Primefac (talk) 22:41, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

Sock

 * Any time. Primefac (talk) 17:45, 21 October 2018 (UTC)

JFYK
About a year ago you deleted an article MASCARA created by me due to copyright violation. Just for your knowledge for the future. The text has been borrowed from the official website of ESO, particularly, form this press-release. According to ESO copyright terms: "Unless specifically noted... the texts of press releases... are licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution 4.0 International License." and according to FAQ/Copyright, CC-BY 4.0 is legible license for using the work in the WP. So there were no copyright voilation. And I am sure this has been said in a comment to the first edit of the article. Plese, be more careful in the future. Artem Korzhimanov (talk) 13:26, 22 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Very strange. I couldn't rightly say what motivated me to delete the page, since it's pretty clear there's no CV. Primefac (talk) 16:16, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

Templates for discussion/Log/2018 October 13
Can you relist the discussion? Those templates are against MOS:DABICON (I asked it at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Disambiguation pages). Hddty. (talk) 18:48, 22 October 2018 (UTC)
 * ✅. Primefac (talk) 19:13, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

Template:Infobox Chinese/Chinese
I see you protected the template from editing. However, i discovered an editor of that template, sabotaged the code, which the data in j (for Jyutping) never able to switch on using j, but y (for Yue Yale) using y work normally, even py and pj were in same outcome: switch on pinyin and Yue Yale but not Jyutping. He also admitted in Template:Infobox Chinese/doc as not a typo. Since the coding was so serious complex and cy and j are also different switch in Template:Lang-zh. Where should i see expert support on fixing the code, as well as dealing with his "good faith" behaviour? Matthew_hk  t  c  23:47, 22 October 2018 (UTC)


 * Or a more detailed explanation, when j and y was filled as different data from different romanization system, his sabotage would make only Yale would be displayed. When only j was filled then even the correct value in showflag, would not be able to display the data in j.


 * case yj


 * case jy


 * case y


 * case j

Matthew_hk  t  c  00:04, 23 October 2018 (UTC)


 * As I explain at Template talk:Infobox Chinese, this was not sabotage, does not break anything and was done for a good and perfectly benign reason while breaking no written or unwritten rules. Scriptions (talk) 12:35, 23 October 2018 (UTC)

There is currently a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is User:Scriptions disruptive editing. Matthew_hk  t  c  13:16, 24 October 2018 (UTC)

Thank you for your email.
There is no conflict of interest between me and La Excelencia nor Orquesta SCC. I am a long time fan and music historian/collector. For the past several years I have seen the history of La Excelencia altered by individuals, including ChinoChong, with vested interest in altering the facts in their favor. All of the edits that I have added to the pages have been accompanied by references. These are not my personal statements. It is obvious that ChinoChong has a COI due to the fact that he has been responsible for 90% of the destructive edits made to the La Excelencia page and is also responsible to the majority of the edits related to Orquesta SCC and Jose Vazquez-Cofresi. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by RoDog18 (talk • contribs) 17:13, 26 October 2018 (UTC)

I take offense to the notion that I am only pro-La Excelencia. As a historian I am always interested in the facts. Having accurate information is vital to preserving the truth. — Preceding unsigned comment added by RoDog18 (talk • contribs) 19:06, 26 October 2018 (UTC)
 * , no offense was intended, but my main point is that we are now in the "discussion" phase of proceedings. If you think certain content should be added, you will need to get a consensus for it on the talk page before re-adding it to the article. Primefac (talk) 19:16, 26 October 2018 (UTC)

Thank you. I attempted to add content to the Orquesta SCC page referring to information currently available on the band website that mentions their acknowledgement to their attempt to pass off at La Exclencia. I would like to add a new section called "infringement" and briefly site this information and reference their website. This is relevant information that encompasses part of the bands history. In addition, the bands owner, Jose Vazquez-Cofresi, was sued for infringement and lost that law suit. I have not added any of that information because I don't currently have exact references to site, except for the bands actual website. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by RoDog18 (talk • contribs) 19:26, 26 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Things happen to groups/bands/people/companies all the time. We do not need to report on everything that happens to them. Is a group going on tour? That would be an okay thing to write about and only reference their own website. Did a group get sued by a former colleague, and the only place it's mentioned is on the official website? That's something that doesn't need to be on Wikipedia. Primefac (talk) 19:34, 26 October 2018 (UTC)

Request
Hi, Primefac

Can you move Dipika name to Dipika Kakar that’s her (twitter) name please. Thanks— Bukhari  (Talk!)   17:26, 27 October 2018 (UTC)

Your revert of my edit
It says in the page information (here) I created the page. Why can't I G7? – BrandonXLF   (t@lk)  15:10, 28 October 2018 (UTC)
 * You moved the original page, so while you get "credit" for creating the redirect you did not actually create the page itself. Unless you create a page and move it, then the redirect is not "yours" to G7. Primefac (talk) 15:11, 28 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Ahh ok. Thanks! – BrandonXLF   (t@lk)  15:13, 28 October 2018 (UTC)

Talkback
 D Big X ray ᗙ  20:00, 28 October 2018 (UTC)

Boo!


Happy Halloween!

Hello Primefac: Thanks for all of your contributions to improve Wikipedia, and have a happy and enjoyable Halloween!   –  — usernamekiran (talk)   07:03, 29 October 2018 (UTC) Send Halloween cheer by adding {{subst:Happy Halloween}} to user talk pages with a friendly message.

Refund
Could you please restore Template:Ltb? Yes, authors are free to G7 things they've created, but this has already been objected to. The template is in use on several pages, which are now broken, and the template was already restored once. – Uanfala (talk) 14:40, 29 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Apologies; didn't see the objection or the restore. Done. Primefac (talk) 16:09, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

Draft:List of The Apprentice episodes
Hi Primefac. Would you mind taking a look at this draft? The creator is transcluding entire articles into it, which is causing non-free images and categories to be transcluded as well. I tried tweaking the files using "noinclude" tags, but that didn't seem to work and I'm not sure how to disable categories added like this. -- Marchjuly (talk) 07:36, 31 October 2018 (UTC)
 * The image tweak actually did work; it just took some time to do so. Still not sure how to disable the categories. FWIW, this seems like a really really bad way to try and create a draft for a new article. -- Marchjuly (talk) 07:40, 31 October 2018 (UTC)
 * If you look at other "list of X episodes" pages (for example NCIS) you'll see that they're all set up that way. But yes, the source articles needed the tags to keep things from getting hairy. Primefac (talk) 10:14, 31 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks for taking a look and figuring out what needed to be done. -- Marchjuly (talk) 12:14, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

awb
mind doing an AWB run for me in regard to this? Let me know when it's done if you do so I can go tag appropriately. Praxidicae (talk) 14:51, 31 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Sure, I'll try to get to it in the next few days. Primefac (talk) 15:55, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

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Orphaning Template:New unreviewed article
How to orphan Template:New unreviewed article so that it can be deleted. I need a bit of help doing that. It also needs to removed from the Twinkle "tag" tab. How to do this? Pkbwcgs (talk) 16:42, 7 November 2018 (UTC)
 * I'll take care of the orphaning. Leave a note at WT:TW to notify them that the template has been deprecated and will be deleted soon. Primefac (talk) 19:44, 7 November 2018 (UTC)

Template:Infobox UK school
I have converted this template to a wrapper of Template:Infobox school per your TfD closure in January. Would the intention be eventually to replace all these instances so that they call Infobox school directly. Or do we normally retain these wrappers indefinitely? &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 15:53, 29 October 2018 (UTC)
 * There are three (ish) ways to deal with a template merger.
 * If there is a large similarity between the templates (i.e. only a few different params) it's generally easiest to just add the differences as alt params and redirect to the final target.
 * If there are a lot of differences, I've done bot runs to replace all of the different parameters, followed by redirecting the template itself.
 * The third (and personally least liked) is to convert the template into a properly substable template and subst it out of existence. This is probably the most disruptive way.
 * UK school falls kind of halfway between the first two options (mostly because of the switches for plural/singular), so I'll have to give a think as to the best way to proceed. In the meantime, though, a wrapper is perfectly acceptable and I thank you for doing that! Primefac (talk) 16:02, 29 October 2018 (UTC)
 * So to clarify, I take it from your answer that it is not common practice to leave template wrappers indefinitely? &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 20:56, 29 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Correct, especially if it was created post-TFD. Creates less confusion in the long run and avoids having the wrapper further modified/convoluted. Primefac (talk) 11:05, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi Primefac, I see has posted here, that's good. Can have you both to read on this and let me know. So I was thinking once everything has been merged and documentation updated etc. Can Infobox UK school be redirected to Infobox school as was the case with other templates that were merged and can its talk page be moved/archived with a link under "Merged template archives" stack that is currently present on the Infobox school talk page? I'm thinking of producing a list of parameters to be changed and parameters to removed, would you be up for running a bot again? I know we got a lot of unsupported params removed and changed before. Please let me know, thank you :) Steven (Editor) (talk) 17:42, 30 October 2018 (UTC)
 * That was basically the gist of my original reply - I'll take a look and see what will be the most effective method of converting the wrapper into a redirect. Primefac (talk) 18:36, 30 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Yep haha and thank you :) - I've produced a list at Infobox school talk page of an overview of the UK parameters that are already present/was merged with some changes to simplify things. Perhaps you could take a look at this too Steven (Editor) (talk) 18:55, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi Primefac, hope things are well, just wanted to ask a question, if you were to run a bot, would it be able to go through articles using Infobox UK school only? Steven (Editor) (talk) 02:48, 7 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes, I'd only pull up the pages that transcluded the template itself. Primefac (talk) 19:45, 7 November 2018 (UTC)

Template:User Commonwealth
Hi Primefac. It looks like somebody wanted to create a userbox and just did so just by tweaking the syntax or another userbox. A non-free image was being used in the template which I removed, but there seem to be other issues as well and I'm not sure how to resolve them. -- Marchjuly (talk) 06:45, 9 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Contacting the user first might be a good idea, if only to clear up any potential misunderstandings. Of course, if you think the issue needs wider discussion there's always the folks at WP:WPT, WP:UBX, or WP:WPUBX. If you can find the original template they copied from, then attribution can be given, though with a UBX they're all so similar I would probably be hard-pressed to find the specific template it came from. Primefac (talk) 11:44, 9 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks for taking a look. I wasn't concerned so much with there being a copyright violation involving the template syntax, but rather that I wasn't able to see the template at all. However, you seem to have fixed that so now it's visible on its page. The creator seems to have created lots of userboxes, so I'm sure they know more about them than I do. As long as they don't re-add that non-free image, I probably never look at the page again. -- Marchjuly (talk) 12:50, 9 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Now for some reason the creator has made the template unable to be seen again. It seems like it would be beneficial for anyone wanting to use the template so be able to see it. Maybe there's a coding reason or something else for doing this? -- Marchjuly (talk) 22:51, 9 November 2018 (UTC)
 * They're putting it in  tags. I've left them a note. Primefac (talk) 22:53, 9 November 2018 (UTC)

Advice
Howdy! I wanted to see if you might be willing to give me some advice. Your insight on the Brandon issue makes me interested in your take on a situation I'm involved in. I'm trying to make sure I avoid WP:CANVAS so let me be clear, not looking for someone to just pat me on the back and agree with me... I'm turning to you because you are an admin who's opinion I value. I'm hoping that you will give a neutral opinion on the matter including pointing out areas where I am in the wrong.

The issue stems from converting Briarcliff Manor, New York to use Infobox settlement over Geobox. Currently that page is the only settlement page to use the Geobox. Every other page has been converted. There is a user who has worked hard to make that article a FA. They feel strongly that the page should keep the Geobox. I obviously disagree. This has led to a WP:AIV report by me and the page being protected. I would like to get your advice on the matter on what the best way forward is. If you could, please read this thread for some insight. I'll hold off on saying more on the matter for now. If this isn't an issue you are interested in getting involved with, just let me know. I'll understand that. But if you have the time, would greatly appreciate your advice! Thanks in advance. -- Zack mann  (Talk to me/What I been doing) 18:13, 2 November 2018 (UTC)
 * P.S. Full disclosure I've also left this message on 's page. I'm interested in their opinion/advice as well. -- Zack mann  (Talk to me/What I been doing) 18:15, 2 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Sorry, didn't see this until just now. I'd agree with the convo at Ed's page, in that TFD is the way to go to "formally" show that it's a deprecated template and can/should be removed from any extant use. Primefac (talk) 19:49, 7 November 2018 (UTC)
 * so I did that and the TFD was speedily closed... However the user is still blocking any efforts to actually implement the change. -- Zack mann  (Talk to me/What I been doing) 07:44, 10 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Well, in light of a speedy-closed TFD which said that the template shouldn't be used, continued insistence of its use is grounds for a report at AN3 or ANI, depending on how much of a nuicance they're being. Primefac (talk) 01:50, 11 November 2018 (UTC)

Greetings from the Arbcom Recruitment Kittens!
We've got some former arbs in the mix for WP:ACE2018, but we need more fresh blood bright-eyed and bushy-tailed first-time candidates! If you love all the functionaries email, think how much more you could have in your inbox! ;) Opabinia regalis (talk) 06:24, 10 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Aaagh, it's so tempting (and the kittens insanely cute), but being a responsible adult (gasp!) I must decline to put my hat into the ring this year; I find myself with very little personal time and it would be a disservice to ArbCom to be able to devote so little time to it. Maybe next year? Primefac (talk) 01:52, 11 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Well, keep an eye on the candidates page and see if you change your mind on Tuesday...? I mean, "tempted but" is a much better response than the usual "keep your flaming bag of shit off my front steps thankyouverymuch" ;) Opabinia regalis (talk) 08:43, 11 November 2018 (UTC)

Infobox school
Hi Primefac, I can see you're doing a bot run, awesome work. I've noticed that you are changing type to schooltype but this doesn't need changing, type is perfectly fine :) Steven (Editor) (talk) 03:55, 11 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Ah, cool. I was just going off the UK school wrapper, which changed the param. I'll leave it off the swap list. Primefac (talk) 04:00, 11 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Okay, thank you. How are you dealing with image and image2 because of a slight variation between the two infoboxes for this. I came up with a solution where image2 and its respective parameters can be deleted, and I'm currently going through and doing the necessary changes. You can see what I mean here (at the bottom where I've put "I have a solution"). Please let me know, thank you Steven (Editor) (talk) 04:05, 11 November 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm doing image → logo and image2 → image (and related size/alts) per the wrapper. Primefac (talk) 04:07, 11 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Ah that's right anyway haha - We're still discussing other parameters with possible deletion and there's some already in a list to delete and some to rename. Would you be willing to do a bot for them once we've finished the discussion? Steven (Editor) (talk) 04:13, 11 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Outright removal of parameters can be done, sure. Primefac (talk) 04:17, 11 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Okay, that's perfect, thank you :) Steven (Editor) (talk) 04:21, 11 November 2018 (UTC)

I am surprised to see this bot running already. We should have had a detailed discussion about parameters to remove and change. For example, approx, c_approx, and multiple other parameters could be removed, even if they are blank, since they are not supported. Also, enrollment does not need to change to students, dfeno should be removed, and more. Perhaps it would be better for the bot to pause while we have a brief discussion on the template's talk page. Also, the bot appears to be doing something incorrectly with website.

So far, the bot (and changing the template to a redirect before the bot's work was properly done, which I have reverted) appears to have put 1,800 articles in, which was empty before the bot started editing. – Jonesey95 (talk) 05:39, 11 November 2018 (UTC)


 * The bot is making mistakes (see the website parameter with box_style inside the URL template). The bot's edit also placed that article and many others in . – Jonesey95 (talk) 06:07, 11 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Dumping a WHOLE bunch of pages into error categories there my friend. -- Zack mann  (Talk to me/What I been doing) 06:59, 11 November 2018 (UTC)
 * How is it that you are referencing a WP:BRFA from February for this task?? you approved that WP:BRFA can you shed some light? It seems to me that this is a new task and should have required a new BRFA. So far approx 2,000 pages have been broken by this task and the bot is still running... -- Zack mann  (Talk to me/What I been doing) 07:09, 11 November 2018 (UTC)

There is currently a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved.  Zack mann  (Talk to me/What I been doing) 07:22, 11 November 2018 (UTC)


 * The "website=" parameter in the infobox is being mangled in a variety of different ways - see the bot's talkpage. Please stop, and revert the damage. Pam  D  10:11, 11 November 2018 (UTC)

My comments copied from User talk:PrimeBOT, as this seems to be the better discussion venue:
 * Yes, the bot is malfunctioning. The school website should be left visible, not hidden using the 2-parameter version of URL. And some are completely broken - will mend Sutton High School, London now, but please revert this damage to all the others. Thanks. Pam  D  09:43, 11 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Sutton High School, London was broken. Ilkley Grammar School unhelpfullly gave the school name rather than the URL. Lawnswood School displayed "School website". Not improvements, any of them. Pam  D  09:52, 11 November 2018 (UTC)
 * And just one more different example - I had a look at the bot's contributions list (enormous), clicked one at random and found  n added to a page which didn't have a URL in the infobox - producing this mess. Actually the school does have a website as an EL so I'll add it to the infobox. But what a mess this bot has caused.  Pam  D  10:07, 11 November 2018 (UTC)

End of copied section

The bot is broken! -- Zack mann  (Talk to me/What I been doing) 07:32, 11 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Per the instructions on your front page, editing this to hopefully stop your run. -- Zack mann  (Talk to me/What I been doing) 07:32, 11 November 2018 (UTC)
 * School websites are being mangled. The bot is generating output such as: http://www.holcombegrammar.org.uk which displays as: [.holcombegrammar.org.uk http://www.holcombegrammar.org.uk] .  Not all schools are affected though, the issue appears to be when the bot uses a full URL including the protocol and separator in the second (deprecated) parameter.  Regards, Martin of Sheffield (talk) 09:17, 11 November 2018 (UTC)


 * Yes, the bot is malfunctioning. The school website should be left visible, not hidden using the 2-parameter version of URL. And some are completely broken - will mend Sutton High School, London now, but please revert this damage to all the others. Thanks. Pam  D  09:43, 11 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Sutton High School, London was broken. Ilkley Grammar School unhelpfullly gave the school name rather than the URL. Lawnswood School displayed "School website". Not improvements, any of them. Pam  D  09:52, 11 November 2018 (UTC)
 * I think it is pretty clear at this point that the entire run was borked and needs to be fixed. :-( -- Zack mann  (Talk to me/What I been doing) 09:57, 11 November 2018 (UTC)
 * And just one more different example - I had a look at the bot's contributions list (enormous), clicked one at random and found  n added to a page which didn't have a URL in the infobox - producing this mess. Actually the school does have a website as an EL so I'll add it to the infobox. But what a mess this bot has caused.  Pam  D  10:07, 11 November 2018 (UTC)

Marking this section as closed, since this page is only for stopping the bot, not for actual discussions. – Jonesey95 (talk) 11:10, 11 November 2018 (UTC)
 * I've copied my 3 posts above to User_talk:Primefac as that seems the main discussion venue. Pam  D  10:17, 11 November 2018 (UTC)

Yes, the bot was malfunctioning. This was an oversight on my part mainly because I did not see this situtation pop up in the 100 or so manual edits I made before going fully-auto. I deeply apologize, will fix my mistakes, and in the future not assume that multiple posts on my page asking me about performing a Bot Run means that a bot run is ready to be performed (which is what happens when one assumes...). Primefac (talk) 13:34, 11 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Please read through Template talk:Infobox school, or at least the last couple of sections, before proceeding. Ask questions if you have them. Thanks. Please let us know your plan to fix the bot's edits before you start. We'll be happy to take a look at a couple of test batches of edits. – Jonesey95 (talk) 17:27, 11 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Will do. I'll make sure discussion has reached a conclusion and it's time to implement the final step of the merger. Primefac (talk) 17:28, 11 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Hey Primefac, I'm here to give you credit. First of all, it was around 4am UK time for me when I noticed Primefac was online and doing a bot run as you can see from my comments at the start of this section (was offline after replying). I mentioned "awesome work" (pretty much a backing of the bot run) and the short convo looks like everything is well; the bot was running properly, it was changing the parameters to the right ones, such as religion to religious_affiliation etc. The only thing I noticed was the changing of type to schooltype which I said above was not needed, which Primefac had rectified. I did query how image and image2 was being handled, however, I failed to notice the adding of another caption parameter which I'm pretty sure was not there in the first few articles I checked (should have checked more), and which is mostly the reason for the large increase in the duplicate template arguments. Ok the bot should have run after we had finished the parameter discussion on the talk page, but Primefac was willing to do another bot run for the other params which you can see above. So I can say I'm also partly responsible and for that I apologise. In terms of parameter issues, I can see it's mainly just the website parameter where website_name should have been deleted instead (an issue with UK schools that are using this parameter for adding custom text to the URL, with many having unhelpful names, predominantly the school name and as you can see noted by "Ilkley Grammar School unhelpfullly gave the school name" (already there before) and "Lawnswood School displayed "School website" (already there before). My only concern is why  had taken this to ANI, very disappointed. I'm sure there's a workaround, I'm sure Primefac will have a solution (maybe doing another bot run and removing the duplicate caption and the 2= in the URL? I don't know), but Primefac has done 2-3 bot runs for me in the past for Infobox school, removing and renaming parameters and had reduced 7,000+ in the unsupported and deprecated categories, with the unsupported one reducing to around 1,000+ (because there was a lot of single-use/very low ones that didn't require bot removal and can be done manually) and the latter which I think became empty - this was excellent. I appreciate your help, always friendly to work with and I hope this doesn't affect you wanting to do another bot run for when we finish the parameter discussion on the talk page, hope all is well, Steven :) Steven (Editor) (talk) 18:25, 11 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Oh yeah, no worries. We'll get through this. No articles appear to have been harmed (much) in this process, just a couple of maintenance categories and their watcher gnomes. – Jonesey95 (talk) 18:46, 11 November 2018 (UTC)
 * That's good and haha, oh I'll let you know on the talk page when I'm done regarding the image/image2 approach, I'm almost there just taking a bit of time because I'm also doing that tedious part I mentioned Steven (Editor) (talk) 18:56, 11 November 2018 (UTC)

rugby league template help
Hi, I'm trying to create a template rlnt which if you input a country name like Australia or the iso code AUS will return Australia I've got all the data at rlnt/nations and I thought is would be a simple use of #switch so while I can get it to work (apparently), every example seems to be followed by a line break - see the Examples section at Template:Rlnt/doc. Any idea what I'm missing? Nthep (talk) 17:48, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
 * You had whitespace between the rlnt call and the . Primefac (talk) 20:01, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
 * How unintuitive! You'd think whitespace after closing the call would be ignored.  Thanks Nthep (talk) 20:10, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
 * On the page, yes, but not during a transclusion. I've had many an issue like that due to an errant hard return! Primefac (talk) 20:11, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

Template:Portal-inline/doc
Would you mind replacing the current version of Template:Portal-inline/doc with User:BrandonXLF/sandbox/2? Basically, it adds documentation for parameter short, which was recently added after an TfD. – BrandonXLF   (t@lk)  03:06, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
 * ✅ Galobtter (pingó mió) 03:15, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

Killing of Jamal Khashoggi Rename Discussion
Hi Primefac, It's been more than seven days and the consensus appears to be to move the article to Assassination of Jamal Khashoggi. Can you close the rename discussion since there appears to be a consensus and the requested move is more than 7 days old. Thanks. Octoberwoodland (talk) 01:35, 10 November 2018 (UTC)
 * I guess you are not going to respond to me, that's fine, I will ask someone else for assistance, I can see you are very busy fixing your bot and other matters. Octoberwoodland (talk) 01:18, 12 November 2018 (UTC).
 * My apologies, I saw this post and was reading through the discussion and kept getting sidetracked. If I get to it, I'll close it, but letting a second set of eyes take a look might be a good idea. Primefac (talk) 02:33, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
 * You are a very wise and intelligent man my friend, I think there already are a bunch of eyes on it, but I think they are all waiting for you to review it. The rest of us are involved on it and are not allowed to close it.  God Bless and thanks.  Octoberwoodland (talk) 03:52, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Assassination has been confirmed by WP:RS based on the released recordings of Khashoggi's killing which state that the Saudi Royal Family ordered the killing. Time to rename the article. Octoberwoodland (talk) 02:25, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
 * That's up for the closer of the RM to decide. Primefac (talk) 11:14, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
 * OK. :-) Octoberwoodland (talk) 02:50, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

Templates
Hi,

"If you have any questions or doubts about what you are doing, please feel free to ask me or another administrator to weigh in on the situation. "

Can i create templates? i want to create Template:Lotay Tshering cabinet.— Bukhari  (Talk!)   13:04, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
 * What sort of information would you be putting in this template? Primefac (talk) 15:12, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
 * His cabinet members like Template:Khan Cabinet.— Bukhari  (Talk!)   17:00, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Hrm... currently his cabinet only has one blue-linked member, meaning that it's probably not a good time right now to create a template. When/if the other cabinet members get Wikipedia pages then the possibility of a template can be discussed further. Primefac (talk) 17:14, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Now can i User:BukhariSaeed/sandbox/1.— Bukhari  (Talk!)   19:04, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
 * I have created all articles (in draft namespace), can i convert this sandbox into template?— Bukhari  (Talk!)   17:50, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Sure, go for it. Primefac (talk) 17:53, 18 November 2018 (UTC)

Please respond on List of bitcoin forks
You know you should have discussed your reversion on the talk page before doing that. You're being unpleasant. Please respond on the talk page. Fresheneesz (talk) 05:09, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

Bot left behind an expression error

 * DIFF 1
 * DIFF 2 – wbm1058 (talk) 22:53, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
 * , thanks, I was using that switch (removing duplicate pipes) as a general infobox cleanup, but I didn't think about that usage. I've disabled that particular task.
 * , is this the sort of error you saw? It generally helps to be more specific than "it's broken". Primefac (talk) 22:54, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
 * It broke an infobox and is removing the father parameter. DrKay (talk) 22:56, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
 * All of the above issues have been dealt with (and I've fixed the remaining expression errors). Thank you both for the heads up! Primefac (talk) 23:05, 21 November 2018 (UTC)


 * One more that you missed: DIFF – you're welcome, wbm1058 (talk) 23:43, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Oops, another one. I'm finding these on my routine patrols for error transclusions. – wbm1058 (talk) 23:57, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Was wondering how you were finding them so fast. Turns out AWB is smarter than its own good, but I think that particular error has been handled now. Primefac (talk) 00:08, 22 November 2018 (UTC)

Bot edit broken
Hi Primefac. In this edit PrimeBot broke the info box. I have reverted the edit. Tassedethe (talk) 01:42, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks. There was a glitch and it's been fixed. Primefac (talk) 01:43, 22 November 2018 (UTC)

archive links
re: - see WP:WEBARCHIVES for technical documentation on the web archive providers in use on Enwiki. There are two types of web archive URLs. The standard archive.org where the URL is preceded by a "/". And the WebCite/WikiWix/Freezepage type where it is preceded by a "?url=". Can both of these types be checked for? -- Green  C  21:29, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
 * I believe I checked/changed the code at the time it was mentioned, but I just checked my on-wiki code updates and it doesn't appear to be, but there's also a good chance I didn't update that page. Will give it a look next time I'm looking at the actual AWB code. Primefac (talk) 21:32, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Update, I have not added that in. Will do so. Primefac (talk) 15:38, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks for checking into it. -- Green  C  17:36, 22 November 2018 (UTC)

Blanking
Hi there, What happened here ? The Herald (Benison) (talk) 02:05, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
 * I had a database lag error round about that time, must have been what did it. It happens every so often with AWB bot runs. Haven't had one in a while though! Primefac (talk) 02:11, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
 * I believe this is an AWB bug. I've had similar and never could isolate. Eventually the solution I came up with is "Skip -> Contains" with "Regex" and "Check after" set. That way it will skip if it can't find any text on the page after the edit. -- Green  C  17:42, 22 November 2018 (UTC)

This page was reset due to someone blanking the page due to vandalism Computermusic1999, 22 November 2018 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Computermusic1999 (talk • contribs)
 * Actually,, it looks like your edit removed a bunch of text. The IP was just restoring the accidentally blanked page. Primefac (talk) 02:22, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
 * It happened again here. Just letting you know. Jalen D. Folf   (talk)  18:44, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I forgot to implement GreenC's fix. Primefac (talk) 18:49, 22 November 2018 (UTC)

Minor change to Infobox UK school merger?
In this edit, the bot did not add the URL template to website. I think it is supposed to do so. – Jonesey95 (talk) 19:17, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Based on the issues that arose last time I messed around with the website parameter I made an executive decision to not change anything with that param. If all instances of website have been taken care of, then I'm happy to add the URL functionality into the edit run.
 * Additionally, both templates can handle a bare URL. Primefac (talk) 19:21, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Fine with me. Skip it. Pinging as an FYI. And thanks for doing this work, and for your patience. – Jonesey95 (talk) 19:29, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks Jonesey95, erm, do we have to add 1 to the URL as this is if the URL contains an equals sign? I don't think there will be a problem this time because website_name is being removed rather than added as 2 in URL. But fine with me too and once the bot run is complete, Infobox UK school will be redirected/deleted right? I also want to say thank you so much and for your patience, really appreciate it :) Steven (Editor) (talk) 19:38, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Nothing needs doing, since there's already an =, but yes it will be redirected when this run is finished. Primefac (talk) 19:46, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Awesome and I’ve noticed in this edit the bot hasn’t changed religion to religious_affiliation Steven (Editor) (talk) 20:21, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Yep, missed it. Thanks, I'll make sure it gets added into the next run. Primefac (talk) 20:25, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Welcome and thank you Steven (Editor) (talk) 20:47, 22 November 2018 (UTC)

Question
Hi! I have submitted on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Articles for creation/Participants on October 31, and I haven't gotten a final response yet at all. I have taken Legacypac's notices, opened up my CSD log to prove myself. Regards, Jovanmilic97 (talk) 00:47, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
 * I've been thinking about it. Apologies for the delay, but there's enough to think about that it's taking a bit longer than usual. I've also been busy. Primefac (talk) 01:18, 22 November 2018 (UTC)


 * Just saw the message (since I was not pinged), and saw I was accepted on probation. Thank you! I will try to do my best. I have already started with some drafts submissions and have been helping with moving sandboxes to proper draft locations. Jovanmilic97 (talk) 11:58, 23 November 2018 (UTC)

Editor of the Week Hall of Fame
As 2018 draws to a close and 2019 is just around the corner, I wonder if I could impose on you to once again create the #ifexist: grid for the Hall of Fame as you have in the past. I've tried to replicate it but mess up each time. I hope this is not too much of a burden or imposition on your time. Much Appreciated. &#8213; Buster7  &#9742;   16:31, 25 November 2018 (UTC)
 * ✅. Primefac (talk) 16:57, 25 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Amazing! So fast and efficient. So...when the new year starts I just remove the arrow/exclamationmark thingy just above the 2019 subthread, right?.&#8213; Buster7  &#9742;   17:09, 25 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Yup. Primefac (talk) 17:11, 25 November 2018 (UTC)

Arb case
Hi!

You (I think) deleted load of content at Arbitration/Requests/Case including my statement (which had nothing about phone number sleuthing). What's happenig? Alexbrn (talk) 17:16, 28 November 2018 (UTC)
 * (Follow-up) Ah! It appears to be there, but the diff in th history is deleted - so it works :-) Alexbrn (talk) 17:39, 28 November 2018 (UTC)

Request for unprotection
Hi, do you think you'd be able to unprotect Template:Jalandhar district? It's undermaintained, there's a history of helpful edits by IPs and there's no history of vandalism. Thanks! – Uanfala (talk) 15:19, 29 November 2018 (UTC)
 * It's only under semi-protection, and with no IPs editing it in the past I see no reason to drop all protection. Primefac (talk) 16:57, 29 November 2018 (UTC)
 * It has two edits by IPs in its history. – Uanfala (talk) 23:03, 29 November 2018 (UTC)
 * And also, I think you're taking things frontside back here. The page has no history of vandalism of any kind, and if it weren't protected and a protection were requested at RFPP it probably wouldn't have stood a chance. – Uanfala (talk) 23:06, 29 November 2018 (UTC)
 * I suspect you're forgetting the Main Page vandalism that happened a few days ago, but if you're willing to keep an eye on it be my guest. ✅. Primefac (talk) 00:50, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Appreciated! – Uanfala (talk) 00:51, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for that
Thanks for this. Didn't even know it happened. What a strange editor...I reverted them on one article in September, warned them on their talk page once, they call that "harassment" and are still bothered by it in November. I don't get it.  Ss  112   18:49, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Some people just don't know how to get along with others. Primefac (talk) 18:55, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

Geobox deletion problem
Hello, the Geobox template was still actively being used for the purpose of reviewing the recent script-driven conversion of several thousand articles, as discussed here. Is there any way the deletion can be revisited/delayed for a couple of weeks, as agreed to at that discussion? The conversion work is still undergoing active review, and we can't identify errors when the template is gone. Thanks. --TimK MSI (talk) 16:44, 2 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Was not aware of that discussion, just the various ones saying that it was ready for deletion. I will restore; please let me know when the checks are complete. Primefac (talk) 17:13, 2 December 2018 (UTC)

---Much appreciated, thank you! --TimK MSI (talk) 17:19, 2 December 2018 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – December 2018
News and updates for administrators from the past month (November 2018). Administrator changes
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 * A proposal has been made to temporarily restrict editing of the Main Page to interface administrators in order to mitigate the impact of compromised accounts.

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Arbitration
 * Voting in the 2018 Arbitration Committee Elections is open to eligible editors until Monday 23:59, 3 December 2018. Please review the candidates and, if you wish to do so, submit your choices on the voting page.

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please update...
Please update in "most viewed online videos in the first 24 hours" page...

Official views for "thank u, next" in the first 24 hours is 55.9 million views, confirmed by YouTube: https://twitter.com/youtubemusic/status/1069703307571183618 Bizzleshook (talk) 00:06, 4 December 2018 (UTC)
 * You are welcome to discuss the matter on the article's talk page. Primefac (talk) 00:09, 4 December 2018 (UTC)

Template:Cardinal to word
Re your close at the TfD for Template:Cardinal to word, unless you have other plans I will take a few days to look at what is needed and fix everything. I did a fair bit of work on Module:ConvertNumeric a while ago and have something else to do there. Johnuniq (talk) 04:38, 3 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Go for it. Might be worth a note at WP:TFD/HC just so no one else does it. Primefac (talk) 11:09, 3 December 2018 (UTC)

I have done what I think was wanted and removed the entry at WP:TFD/HC. There are some quirks which I'll think about. I noticed these subpages which I'm glad to leave for you to ponder! Johnuniq (talk) 07:06, 4 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Template:Cardinal to word/0 to 19
 * Template:Cardinal to word/0 to 19/doc
 * Template:Cardinal to word/0 to 19/sandbox
 * Template:Cardinal to word/0 to 19/testcases
 * Template:Cardinal to word/0 to 99
 * Template:Cardinal to word/0 to 99/doc
 * Template:Cardinal to word/0 to 99/testcases
 * Template:Cardinal to word/0 to 999
 * Template:Cardinal to word/0 to 999/doc
 * Template:Cardinal to word/0 to 999/testcases
 * Template:Cardinal to word/0 to 999999
 * Template:Cardinal to word/0 to 999999/doc
 * Template:Cardinal to word/0 to 999999/testcases
 * Template:Ordinal to word/0 to 19
 * Template:Ordinal to word/0 to 19/doc
 * Template:Ordinal to word/0 to 19/testcases
 * Template:Ordinal to word/0 to 99
 * Template:Ordinal to word/0 to 99/doc
 * Template:Ordinal to word/0 to 99/testcases
 * Template:Ordinal to word/0 to 999
 * Template:Ordinal to word/0 to 999/doc
 * Template:Ordinal to word/0 to 999/testcases
 * Template:Ordinal to word/0 to 999999
 * Template:Ordinal to word/0 to 999999/doc
 * Template:Ordinal to word/0 to 999999/testcases

WikiProject Articles for creation/Participants
Just FYI, you made a typo when adding Thegooduser to the AfC participants page in this edit. & and * are quite close together on the keyboard. You might want to correct that. Cheers, -- SkyGazer 512 Oh no, what did I do this time? 19:51, 4 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks, surprised I missed that. Primefac (talk) 19:54, 4 December 2018 (UTC)

Non-free images in portals
Hi Primefac. Hope you're doing well. Since you know a lot about templates, etc., I'm wondering if you know if there's a way to stop non-free files from being transcluded into portals. I've been noticing this happening more than usual lately and it seems to have something to do with the syntax being used for portals. The latest example I've come across is Portal:University of New Hampshire and File:UNewHampshire seal.png. The portal is calling up the infobox to University of New Hampshire and was transcluding infobox image as well. I think I fixed things by adding "noinclude" syntax for the image, but that might just be a work-around for the time being.Was there some recent change to the general syntax generally used for portal pages which now makes transcluding non-free content more common? There is a single mention about non-free images and portals in Wikipedia:Portal guidelines, but it's buried in the middle and most likely not many people bother to read that far anyway; some may even think that transcluding the file is OK because technically they haven't added a file directly to the portal. I guess it's also possible that there's something about the wikidata of these files which is telling the system that they are not non-free, so the system treats them as a free image. Anyway, just curious about it. -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:37, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
 * I recommend posting your question at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Portals. There is a small team doing a lot of work to restructure portal pages recently. – Jonesey95 (talk) 02:49, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the suggestion. -- Marchjuly (talk) 05:12, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
 * See Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Portals. -- Marchjuly (talk) 05:18, 5 December 2018 (UTC)

Request for PrimeBOT
Hey P, the parameter logo_padding is deprecated from Infobox company; any way you could set PrimeBOT loose to remove it from the ~160 or so articles that still have it? Would sure be easier than my having to go in and pull it out of every one of them. Thanks! UnitedStatesian (talk) 21:20, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Probably a bit unnecessary for a bot run for 160 articles, but when I get a chance I'll do a manual AWB run to get rid of them. Primefac (talk) 21:59, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Unfortunately AWB don't work on my Mac. UnitedStatesian (talk) 05:00, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

Routledge
Big spelling mistake jock not joke routledge all routledges rutledge are from the same family fact if this carrys on i will seek legal advice Daisy5867 (talk) 09:08, 7 December 2018 (UTC)
 * , I highly suggest you read through our article about No legal threats; Wikipedia is not the place for legal disputes. If you wish to discuss spelling mistakes or other issues, you should do so on the talk page(s) of the article(s) you wish to make edits to, or discuss it with the editor(s) with whom you are having the dispute on their user talk pages. Primefac (talk) 11:18, 7 December 2018 (UTC)

Your BRFA
Hello Primefac, your BRFA (Bots/Requests for approval/PrimeBOT 30) has been approved. Best regards, — xaosflux  Talk 18:21, 30 November 2018 (UTC)


 * Hey Primefac, really glad the bot was approved, when would you be able to do the bot run for Infobox UK school? Eager to get it redirected and out of the way, please let me know, thank you :) Steven (Editor) (talk) 18:50, 3 December 2018 (UTC)
 * I was really hoping to get it done this weekend but ended up getting swamped with a ton of housework. I'll do my best to get to it in the next few days. Primefac (talk) 20:29, 3 December 2018 (UTC)
 * I see, that's ok and awesome, thank you so much Steven (Editor) (talk) 20:44, 3 December 2018 (UTC)
 * ✅. I think this means UK schools can be converted into a redir. Primefac (talk) 02:45, 4 December 2018 (UTC)
 * I checked some of the bot edits here and then, and not seen any problems, all looks good. That was really quick, did the bot go through the entire 5,000+ transclusions? I think you should redirect it now, the categories will populate if there's a problem but I don't think there will be any and if there is, you can just undo the redirect? Steven (Editor) (talk) 02:54, 4 December 2018 (UTC)
 * ✅. Primefac (talk) 02:58, 4 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Thank you and not really seeing anything in the categories which is good (there were 5 in the UK unknown one but nothing to do with bot and already sorted), think the merge is complete. Thank you so much for doing this, really appreciate it :) - any chance Category:Pages using infobox UK school with unknown parameters be deleted so the main equivalent one is used instead? Steven (Editor) (talk) 03:57, 4 December 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm still seeing over 5,000 transclusions of Infobox UK school. (Transclusions listed here.) Am I missing something? – Jonesey95 (talk) 15:24, 4 December 2018 (UTC)

I converted the template into a redirect, so the transclusion count shouldn't have changed. Primefac (talk) 15:26, 4 December 2018 (UTC)
 * OK, I figured I was missing something. I was thinking that the bot would rename the template. In that case, well done! There were three or four UK school articles in the Infobox school unsupported parameters category, and only one of them appeared to be some sort of minor bot error, so I just fixed them rather than investigate. One possible error out of almost 6,000 edits is very impressive! – Jonesey95 (talk) 15:29, 4 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Sweet, that's what I like to hear! Primefac (talk) 15:30, 4 December 2018 (UTC)
 * You did a good job Primefac :) - Primefac and, what to do with these subpages? I think the "sep2018version" and doc can be deleted as this was to aid in the merge discussion, can the others be deleted or should it be redirected to its equivalent Infobox school subpage? Steven (Editor) (talk) 18:03, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
 * I have boldly redirected Template:Infobox UK school/testcases. I think the others should be deleted. We should probably have this discussion at Template talk:Infobox school, just for the record. – Jonesey95 (talk) 18:45, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
 * It's not really that big a deal, but I'll take a look at the subpages and see if there's anything worth keeping (for historical/attribution sake). Primefac (talk) 20:12, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Thank you and do we need the sandbox/doc? Steven (Editor) (talk) 19:10, 6 December 2018 (UTC)
 * I've redirected it. Primefac (talk) 20:25, 6 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Yeah I was just thinking if there was any point in keeping the sandbox doc but redirect is ok I guess, thanks again :) Steven (Editor) (talk) 17:39, 7 December 2018 (UTC)

Censorship of sourced material at Talk:2018 Freiburg gang rape
Why are you censoring material sourced by highly reputable WP:RS like Frankfurter Allgemeine, Süddeutsche Zeitung, Badische Zeitung? This is a scandal and violates WP:TPNO, WP:V and other basic WP principles. Is freedom of speech gone?--Greywin (talk) 20:05, 7 December 2018 (UTC)
 * And it is done without a comment while the discussion is ongoing. A despicable act of disrespect.--Greywin (talk) 20:21, 7 December 2018 (UTC)

Pages with sections appearing in cat
Hey, P. Do you know how to fix this? - Category:Pending AfC submissions without a section is showing some pages with sections when it shouldn't. Draft:Diotima's Ladder of Love for example shows up in the category and has many sections. But the same page copied to my sandbox doesn't appear in the category. <u style="font:1.1em/1em Arial Black"><u style="color:#7f2ed1">Flooded <u style="color:#bfa6d8"> with them <u style="color:#7f2ed1">hundreds 14:37, 4 December 2018 (UTC)
 * The short answer is that I think NUMBEROFSECTIONS is broken. The example values given in the /doc do not match the actual (live) values found on those pages. I don't have time to dig into the module, but based on some digging that's the only thing I can think of. Primefac (talk) 17:12, 4 December 2018 (UTC)
 * That's a shame. The category will not work properly then. What should be done to it? <u style="font:1.1em/1em Arial Black"><u style="color:#7f2ed1">Flooded <u style="color:#bfa6d8"> with them <u style="color:#7f2ed1">hundreds  17:27, 4 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Either fix the module or remove the category tracking. Primefac (talk) 19:48, 4 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi Primefac and . I've implemented a possible fix (waiting to see results (caching is useful but takes a while to update) but it seems to be working). Be aware that the module is only capable of understanding headings/sections denoted with wiki-markup i.e. "===" not "<h3 ></h3>", so may still give inaccurate results sometimes. I'll keep my eye on the results of my "fix" and am watching this thread. In the future; if a problem with a template of module is discovered, it's a good idea to contact the person most familiar with it, or at least open a thread on its talk page to get some attention. I only noticed this issue when it was unexpectedly protected.  12:22, 7 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the note and the fix. I didn't have time when this was left to properly look into it, which is why I didn't reach out. Primefac (talk) 14:20, 7 December 2018 (UTC)
 * No problem Primefac; I understand :) I just checked, and unfortunately the "fix" doesn't seem to have worked quite right; all the pages have been removed from the category now *facepalm*. I've been trying to debug a Chrome extension all morning and need some lunch. I'll come back and try again later. Placing NUMBEROFSECTIONS directly on Drafts yields "0" even if they have some, whereas calling it with a Draft's name works correctly. See ya later :)  15:02, 7 December 2018 (UTC)
 * The molly is appreciated, Fred. Hopefully it will get sorted. <u style="font:1.1em/1em Arial Black"><u style="color:#7f2ed1">Flooded <u style="color:#bfa6d8"> with them <u style="color:#7f2ed1">hundreds  18:24, 7 December 2018 (UTC)

I've quadruple checked, because it's quite hard to fathom, and can confirm that for some reason, the problem is in its use in the "Draft" namespace. Placing it directly (by transclusion or physically) on a Draft page yields "0" (zero) sections, whilst the results for the same page when retrieved via something like will be accurate. Direct or transcluded placement without specifically naming the page(s) utilises to establish ... wait for it ... the full page name ;) to pass to the Module to parse for the count.  works as expected on a Draft pages. I can't figure this out. I'll admit to being a bit rusty dealing with lua again but have a hunch that due to the unusual nature of Draft pages, there may be dark magic afoot requiring a special workaround. I mean really; for the lolz if no other reason try previewing  in the page it states (or another draft if it gets promoted in the meantime) and you'll get correct results but remove the specificity and suddenly it's zero!   19:08, 7 December 2018 (UTC) I'm going to boldly ping  as (although we've not spoken for ages) he's my first thought when anything involving lua (Module:NUMBEROF drives the template) goes wrong and needs an expert eye. I can't figure it out; on the Draft pages that are correctly filtered, {{NUMOF... behaves correctly, and on those that are filtered incorrectly, it behaves incorrectly. This may seem like a pointless tautology, but it means it's actually working as expected insofar that the implementation of it is fine. As for why it's not correctly reading some Drafts on site, but correctly reads them remotely - I'm baffled. I'm spent and not nearly expert enough (apparently) to be of further use. I'm watching the issue to learn and if I do think of anything useful, I'll pipe up. 21:29, 7 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Hmm.. that's saddening! <u style="font:1.1em/1em Arial Black"><u style="color:#7f2ed1">Flooded <u style="color:#bfa6d8"> with them <u style="color:#7f2ed1">hundreds  08:00, 8 December 2018 (UTC)

I added a workaround to fix the problem which is beyond belief. It turns out that  generates " " for apostrophe! The problem had nothing to do with "Draft:". It was the fact that the title contained an apostrophe. The module splits the title on " " which breaks with. I'll report the issue somewhere in due course but I have to go now. I noticed a couple of things in the module which I might mention and/or tweak in a day or two. Please check what the module does now. Is the problem fixed? Johnuniq (talk) 09:50, 8 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Hmm, I just checked the category and found Draft:Kowalski & Schmidt. That ampersand is returned as " " so it needs a workaround as well. Maybe delimiting with  is not such a good idea? Johnuniq (talk) 09:54, 8 December 2018 (UTC)
 * edit conflict I was trying to deduce the root of the problem in thought and just tested my hypothesis; Previewing on Draft:Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens football, 1910-19 results in an output of  . Previewing  results in an output of  . Previewing  (the way NUMOF gets the info) there results in an output of "Draft:Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens football, 1910-19" but  results in  . I was right (in my thinking) that NUMOF is working with bad data; for some reason (shrug) some (but not all) Drafts' FULLPAGENAMEs aren't delivered to NUMOF correctly. Hope this analysis helps someone else who may attempt to debug for a fix but I'm still drawing a blank. At least it seems to be getting it right as often as it can, and only a handful of false positives are getting through.   09:59, 8 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Yeah ^ that.  09:59, 8 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Good catch :) Feel free to fix everything bad I did. I was learning lua as I wrote it and haven't touched it since. I've completely forgotten how to debug it as well as write it :D I remember at the time selecting "#" as a delimiter because it wouldn't be in any page titles or namespaces for certain. If there's a more suitable char, please do what's needed :)  10:07, 8 December 2018 (UTC)
 * I've added some general unescape code to handle  chars. It seems to work :)   19:56, 8 December 2018 (UTC)

Newline problem
I just noticed that Draft:Gudmar Olovson has no lead before a level 2 section and is categorized as sectionless. This is because NUMOF is looking for  (roughly) but without a lead, there is no newline before the section. Being unfamiliar with lua's regex, I have yet to figure out how to tell it to also capture sections that have nothing before them. I will try and figure it out, but if someone watching this thread knows how to fix it before me, please do. At least a page with a section used this way is kinda doing it wrong, so it's not all bad :)  09:51, 9 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Incredible! It seems to be working correctly now (other than with Draft:Gudmar Olovson). Thanks so much Fred and John! <u style="font:1.1em/1em Arial Black"><u style="color:#7f2ed1">Flooded <u style="color:#bfa6d8"> with them <u style="color:#7f2ed1">hundreds  10:08, 9 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Various fixes are available but I did the simplest, namely to insert a newline before the content. I tweaked something else but haven't got around to looking at what I mentioned earlier. By the way, the place to ask for Lua help is WT:Lua. Johnuniq (talk) 10:17, 9 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Good job Johnuniq :) Simple is good :)  11:29, 9 December 2018 (UTC)

Dispute Resolution noticeboard discussion re: List of bitcoin forks
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