User talk:Priyanath/Archive 5

Changes to Meditation section
What gives you the authority to delete and alter text without discussing first and then ask people to discuss before reverting it. Is there some exalted editorial status you've got here you'd like to inform me about? Otherwise your cutting without prior discussion sets up a pattern where others are encouraged to do the same to youFauncet (talk) 16:35, 24 June 2009 (UTC)


 * There is an ongoing discussion at Talk:Meditation, which you are ignoring. Discuss there, and reach a consensus (WP:CON) first, before continuing your edit-warring against consensus. Priyanath talk 16:48, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

I know about that. So why are you deleting newly added text before consulting or discussing? What gives you the authority to do that?Fauncet (talk) 18:10, 24 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Any editor can add/remove/change/edit any article, as you know. When those edits are controversial or do not have consensus, then you should propose your changes first on the talk page. You were already asked by Mitsube on the talk page to suggest what you would like to see changed, but ignored his advice and continued editing and reverting. That is called "edit warring". Please suggest changes on the talk page first and reach consensus with other editors - I will respond there, not here. I won't be here on Wikipedia for another 10-24 hours, but regardless, we should all wait to hear what other editors think anyway. Also, please read and learn Wikipedia policies. You continually violate several of them. On your talk page, I've pointed out the ones that I've seen you repeatedly ignoring. Priyanath talk 18:23, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Oops
Sorry I didn't realize that you were still working on the dating section in BP, else I wouldn't have interrupted. Please just remove the template once you are down and I'll take a look to see if I have anything to add. Cheers. Abecedare (talk) 18:54, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Ok, I'll take a stab at it them and remove the tag once I'm done. You have added a lot of useful refs in there and we just need to summarize it a bit now. Cheers. Abecedare (talk) 18:57, 28 June 2009 (UTC)


 * I agree - my approach when rewriting a section or article is to throw everything good and verifiable up there, and then condense it. Feel free to hack and prune. Priyanath talk 19:31, 28 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Done for now.
 * In my reading all sources seemed to agree upon the difficulty of assigning a single date to the puranas, and almost all sources (except Hazra) gave 850-950 or 9th/10th c as the most reasonable dates. So I have ascribed these points to "scholars" instead of naming each individually. Hopefully I have not lost any valuable content or reference in the process. Anyway, here is the diff of my edits, from which we can recover any lost bits. Do review and improve wherever possible. Cheers. Abecedare (talk) 20:43, 28 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Great work, and much better than I had in mind. My thought exactly on the "scholars", which is where I was headed. So happy to see this article getting improved and referenced. I'll continue to chip away at other sections. Priyanath talk 21:25, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Babaji
Greetings,

Unless you feel very strongly about it, please leave my contribution regarding George Harrison in the Mahavatar Babaji article. It is notable to those of us who were around when the Beatles went to Rishikesh and it is very notable that in a concert photo, George is wearing a button with Babaji's face. That, to me, is at least as notable as that the Sgt Pepper's album cover (I was alive when it came out) contains Babaji's face amongst the hundred or so others.

Namaste, Alan —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.220.15.66 (talk) 23:04, 2 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Good point, I removed them both as pop-trivia, and both without reliable sources (WP:RS) to boot. Priyanath talk 23:59, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
 * P.S. I was a big fan of George - and was quite alive at the time also, but it's not notable about Mahavatar Babaji. Priyanath talk 00:03, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Desi Music
A few albums by Kamal Heer -Masti (album), Masti 2, Kamli (album), Masti 3, Chan jiha gabru, Moti Chunke and one by Lucky Ali - Kabhi Aisa Lagta Hai have been PRODded. I'm struggling to find sources for any of these, I guess Kamal Heer's stuff should have some because he's a Punjabi bestseller, and Lucky Ali should definitely have. Any ideas or might you be able to find any? WP:NALBUMS should be easy for these, just need the sources... -SpacemanSpiff (talk) 02:02, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Here's a news link for Masti. Here are a few that mention Lucky Ali's album. Do you use Google News Archive search? It gives this result, for instance. Priyanath talk 02:13, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Weird, I used Gnews archive, and was sure I didn't see anything. Thx -SpacemanSpiff (talk) 03:07, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Maybe you already do this, but repeatedly massaging the search terms and quotes can make all the difference. Or maybe it wasn't working :-). Priyanath talk 05:00, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

Editing survey
Hi Priyanath. My name is Mike Lyons and I am a doctoral student at Indiana University. I am conducting research on the writing and editing of high traffic “current events” articles on Wikipedia. I have noticed in the talk page archives at Barack Obama that you have contributed to the editing or maintenance of the article. I was hoping you would agree to fill out a brief survey about your experience. This study aims to help expand our thinking about collaborative knowledge production. Believe me I share your likely disdain for surveys but your participation would be immensely helpful in making the study a success. A link to the survey is included below.

Link to the survey: http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.aspx?sm=P6r2MmP9rbFMuDigYielAQ_3d_3d

Thanks and best regards, Mike Lyons lyonspen | (talk) 22:08, 6 July 2009 (UTC)


 * I've filled out the survey - good luck with your research. Priyanath talk 18:01, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Request
Hi Priyanath. I am in the process of cleaning up the unreliable sources in the Sathya Sai Baba article. I will truly appreciate if you could share your thoughts to the following discussion. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard#Is_this_a_reliable_source.3F.
 * Thanks, Radiantenergy (talk) 03:11, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I appreciate it. Thanks Radiantenergy (talk) 12:14, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

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Mahesh dilemma
I noticed the red link from the page, didn't see the India one, I'll remove and add to India, that should probably fix it, that's happened to me with the India list before. I think it's probably just a db issue with WP -SpacemanSpiff (talk) 03:04, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
 * WP:DSI is fixed. -SpacemanSpiff (talk) 03:06, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks - I'll have to remember that trick. Did you just resubmit it? Priyanath talk 03:08, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Just added a space at the top. It's something screwy with the db, I've noticed it both in the sorting lists and the days log, I just accidentally tried it once when I was too lazy to remove and add and it seemed to work. -SpacemanSpiff (talk) 03:09, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Looks like User:Maheshkumaryadav has more than just a dilemma, he's been creating articles at random and editing others in an absurd manner, some have been fixed, but two creations need a closer look - Mansadevi and Chandigarh Technology Park. I fixed Mata vaishno devi by redirecting. Can you check the other two? -SpacemanSpiff (talk) 14:18, 30 June 2009 (UTC)


 * I've redirected the first to Mata Mansa Devi Mandir, where there was again an existing article. Chandigarh Technology Park looks notable and legitimate just with the current Gnews hits.. It's nearly always called "Rajiv Gandhi Chandigarh Technology Park" but I don't know if it should be moved there or not. Any thoughts? There could be an argument for merging it into Chandigarh, but I think it's probably notable enough for its own article. Priyanath talk 17:26, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I saw the ToI coverage for the tech park after I posted here, so decided to leave it, but it's possibly a move target once we find out that it doesn't already exist. He's also created Nano city a future project. I've got to figure that one. And to add to these troubles, he went and posted Mahesh dilemma for the Article Rescue Squadron to work on, I asked another editor from ARS to look at it and he's reverted it. Is there some sort of mentoring on the India project? I think someone having a long conversation with this guy might help. I know I don't have the patience. -SpacemanSpiff (talk) 17:49, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

I think the tech park exists but is still being expanded: "With exports from Rajiv Gandhi Chandigarh Technology Park (RGCTP) constituting 80 per cent of software exports, the exports from it grew by 58.6 per cent to Rs. 617 crore in 2008-09 against Rs. 389 crore in year ago period." Does that make it notable? I don't know. Looks like a lot of vacant lots there still. Regarding the dilemma of what to do with Mahesh - I honestly don't know. Sincere but unclueful editors can consume an amazing amount of time. I suggest notifying a couple others to keep an eye on him, and keep putting notices on his talk page to educate him is the best answer. I'll drop in on him occasionally and see. Priyanath talk 18:41, 30 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Your PROD on Indo Swiss Training Centre was removed by him. I've also PRODded IT companies In Chandigarh‎ now. -SpacemanSpiff (talk) 17:41, 11 July 2009 (UTC)


 * I saw, thanks. There are couple sources in news archive, but I don't know if they are notable enough. The bigger problem, of course, is Mahesh, who keeps throwing articles up hoping they will stick, without any references, making more work for everyone else. Priyanath talk 16:41, 12 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Another round of clean up today, RFD and CFD required; an organization doesn't have a page, and he goes and creates a redirect and category for it! - SpacemanSpiff Calvin&#8225;Hobbes 16:07, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Welcome to the gang!
In case you didn't notice: :-) Abecedare (talk) 23:45, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Golly gee whiz, I'm honored.... Priyanath talk 23:57, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

My guess is that he'll get blocked for 24h now. The unfortunate fact is that while wikipedia is pretty good at detecting and acting against technical violations (like 3RR) and plain vandalism, it is quite poor at dealing with uninformed and disruptive editing - as seen by the lack of action following the ANI report. Just ranting ... :-) Abecedare (talk) 20:09, 19 July 2009 (UTC)


 * I agree, though I think that this might be keeping some admins away from ANI right now. Ironically, the poor fellow's attempt to promote Kerala is doing anything but. There are now several people on Wikipedia who's only contact with Kerala is with a sad edit-warring, name-calling....editor. My own idealized vision of Kerala and its people just went away, sadly. Priyanath talk 20:36, 19 July 2009 (UTC)


 * I found the WP:NODRAMA project hilariously ironic. If someone is interested in working on articles instead of participating in "drama", can't they just dot it!, instead of needing to create a wikipedia space project, associated "userbox for participants", "barnstar to thank users who participated" etc, and proclaiming their intentions publicly and widely ? I wonder how many participants are aware of the irony. Abecedare (talk) 20:56, 19 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I find it ironic. I would guess many of the participants are trying to swear off their (usual) drama, but that leaves the majority of productive editors (who habitually avoid teh dramaz) to fend for themselves at ANI. Priyanath talk 21:04, 19 July 2009 (UTC)


 * I initially was going to post in the non-participants category stating that I wasn't going to participate in the drama of no-drama, but figured I'll keep my mouth shut instead :) BTW, stopthenonsense was involved in some edit warring on deleting English names and using Malayalam for the script in quite a few pages too. Surprised that no one reported it, as it could have been classified as vandalism. Check out Suman Ranganath too. - SpacemanSpiff Calvin&#8225;Hobbes 21:07, 19 July 2009 (UTC)


 * I imagine we haven't seen the last of him, then. Priyanath talk 21:22, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

Vaishnavism in Daivajnas
Can you take a look at this page? I'm not sure it's necessary as there's a well structured and sourced article in Daivajna. It looks like a content or POV fork to me, but I can't be sure. cheers - SpacemanSpiff Calvin&#8225;Hobbes 04:54, 21 July 2009 (UTC)


 * I think you're right, and a merge tag on those two articles might be the way to go. Unfortunately, this is one of many caste articles that will turn into one very sticky tar baby. Did you read Talk:Daivadnya? I don't have much time for tar babies right now, and that one could be a doozy, so will have to leave it at that. Priyanath talk 17:12, 21 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I saw the TP, TLDR, and that's what made me think it was a content/POV fork. There are so many problems with caste and location articles that I've had to deal with when looking at CAT:U pages. I hate to get involved in these kind of content disputes, I'll add a merge tag and see what comes of it. cheers - SpacemanSpiff Calvin&#8225;Hobbes 17:33, 21 July 2009 (UTC)


 * I've started a discussion at Talk:Vaishnavism in Daivajnas. I haven't proposed a merge yet, as it seems that there isn't any consensus to include this on the main article. Based on the discussion (if any), let me see if it should be a merge or AfD. - SpacemanSpiff Calvin&#8225;Hobbes 18:08, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Gayatri Mantra
re: Hindu Revivalist movements, and in context of Swami Vivekananda, you may recall the consistent stand of RK Mission that they are NOT "Hindus" (which claim the Supreme Court of India struck down in 1995) and even today most RK Mission adherents continue to claim that they are not Hindus. The mere Chanting of Gayatri Mantra by non-Brahmins (which Mantra by almost every Ved is restricted only for worship by Brahmins) cannot constitute 'worship' which is prescribed in the Vedas, and neither can the mockery of wearing of sacred threads by lower castes. Whatever Swami Vivekanand propogated form 1898 (??) on these 2 issues (GM and sacredotal thread) was political and not religious. I wish to clarify that these are not my personal views, but precepts well settled in hoary reliable sources such as Vedas, Smritis etc. Protozoan (talk) 08:07, 23 July 2009 (UTC).


 * I've moved your comment to the article talk page, since it is about the article, and other editors may wish to respond. Priyanath talk 14:35, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Help with the discussion
Hi Priyanath. I have one more request. As I said before I am in the process of cleaning up the wikipedia article and getting rid of unreliable sources. On more difficult ones I take it to the reliable source noticeboard. I would greatly appreciate your comments to the following discussion. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard#Question.
 * Thanks, Radiantenergy (talk) 04:49, 22 July 2009 (UTC)


 * I truly appreciate your help in this discussion about fixing the WP:BLP concerns in the Sathya Sai Baba article. I have one more question. In your statement you mentioned - "For that reason, I don't think the material should be covered in the article at all, since there is so much to question about it". Here material refers to old BBC documentary right? I would appreciate If that could be mentioned in that discussion for more clarity. Thanks once again. Radiantenergy (talk) 02:41, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Organic India
Hi Priyanath,

I just rephrased the last sentence of Organic India page created by you. Please Review. Beside the minor corrections, I want to thank you for taking you time out to create a new Wikipage. Good Job. :)

Regards, Goutam —Preceding unsigned comment added by Goutamkhandelwal (talk • contribs) 04:31, 27 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks, and thanks also for improving the article. I've enjoyed so much of their tea, I figured it was time to pay them back! Plus they appear to be the not-so-common business based on principles of dharma. Priyanath talk 04:40, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

GATA
Hi Priyanath, I see you created a new GATA article, I had also been working on one. Could you check the discussion page for the article? I hope you might consider adding some of the content in my sandbox. Please let me know what you think, thank you. Cgettings (talk) 14:01, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I answered on your talk page. Priyanath talk 19:38, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

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I don't know the history of these articles, but it seems a coincidence that three different editors added a fair bit of content to these two on the same day. :-) Oh well, when the dust settles, it's all good, I guess... Shreevatsa (talk) 01:36, 5 August 2009 (UTC)


 * I noticed. This happened once before on the two articles, when 'help' was requested by sympathetic fellow travellers of the two. It looks like it's happening again. It's too bad that the extremists on both ends tend to control the articles ('doniger is evil' vs. 'anyone who disagrees with doniger is a hindutva hatemonger'). Focusing on the scholarship and the disagreements among the academics, rather than on the name-calling, would be a great improvement, but then I guess that wouldn't be wikipedia :-) . Priyanath talk 01:55, 5 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Yeah, it's unfortunate that there's a general tendency to label and assume rather than examine and understand — I guess Wikipedia simply reflects human nature :) Shreevatsa (talk) 03:54, 5 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the reminder about human nature. There's also a great deal of good here in that regard.... Priyanath talk 21:27, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Sapth Badri
Hi, Priyanth, Thanks for the appreciation. We will continue to write more articles on Hindu religious places. Right now one on Panch Prayag is getting ready but handicapped due non availability of photos (for use in the Template) of Nand Prayag, Rudra Prayag and Dev Prayag. May be you could help us. I have tried with flickr but most authors are non cooperative. Please feel free to tell me if you find some chnages or corrections are required since you have been involved with this activity in wiki since long. I am a recent entrant (seriously since July 2008). --Nvvchar (talk) 05:22, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks. The credit goes to Nvvchar, the idea was his. -- Redtigerxyz Talk 14:58, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

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Articles for deletion/ Mahatma Gandhi's visit to Andipatti in 1934
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India resources
Btw, based on your suggestion at the Dodda..AfD, I've created a referencable resources section on WP India tools. Discussion is here. Feel free to comment and/or add to the page itself. cheers. 03:38, 18 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks - great place for it. I'll likely add a resource or two. Priyanath talk 03:44, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Prominent Marathas Ruling Centres
Can you take a look at this page? I PRODded it as it was unsourced/no context - seat of kings? seat of warlords? what exactly it was, and also the fact that there weren't so many Maratha kingdoms, and the list doesn't have any connection to the other Maratha articles either. Maybe it can be repaired, but I don't know. cheers. - SpacemanSpiff Calvin&#8225;Hobbes 16:33, 18 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Since I don't know the subject even remotely, I'm at a loss to figure out what should be done with all of these:


 * List of Maratha notables by clan
 * List of minor Maratha clans
 * Maratha clan system
 * Royal Clans of Kshatriya Maratha
 * Prominent Marathas Ruling Centres
 * Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Maharashtra seems dormant, so I don't think that would be a great help. The Maratha clan system article, which would be the logical place to merge everything, has no inline sources in 65Kb of text. I'm posting this at Wikipedia talk:Noticeboard for India-related topics. Priyanath talk 00:24, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Replied there. cheers. - SpacemanSpiff Calvin&#8225;Hobbes 01:28, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Dilemma
Saw you beat me to R3ing the new redirect. It's really difficult keeping up with him, I've R3d and PRODded over 10 redirects and articles since the Dilemma AfD and have cleaned up so much of the in-article adds. So many warnings on his talk page, and he just blanks it, so the next person coming by has no idea. Any suggestions? It's just a waste of time for the two of us I think... - SpacemanSpiff Calvin&#8225;Hobbes 22:51, 21 August 2009 (UTC)


 * I've tried getting the attention of the admin who just deleted the latest dilemma, with a note at User_talk:Master_of_Puppets. I was just about to post it at ANI when I saw he had deleted it, so I'm hoping he can respond with a block. Priyanath talk 01:31, 22 August 2009 (UTC)


 * I had also asked a couple of admins who deleted his stuff to take a look (after I R3d Jai Mata Di, Ram Ram, Hari Krishna and a few other bizzare redirects to Namaste), one resulted in one of the final warnings, and another resulted in the currently visible friendly advice. One more article and my patience is going to run dry. Today, I came across this bizzare series of articles Nagla Beech, Firozabd, Uttar Pradesh, India, Nagla Beech, Tundla, Firozabad,Uttar Pradesh, India, Nagla beech, all edited by the same person on the same day! I found the third one after I moved one of the others to Nagla Beech, Uttar Pradesh, so I just redirected it and PRODded the others. But all three had the same bizarre content. These are absurdities for which I can't even find standard warning templates! By the way, you may want to add Twinkle - single step for CSDs, AfDs and PRODs. cheers. - SpacemanSpiff Calvin&#8225;Hobbes 01:48, 22 August 2009 (UTC)


 * This time at least there is the warning of a one-week block if he continues editing without any discussion, and with Mahesh, 'continues editing' is synonymous with 'disruptive editing'. Are there suddenly more and more of these crazy editors (strange articles, extremely non-notable bios and organizations, etc.), or are they just being brought to light more effectively? I'll have to look at Twinkle again - I've tried these things once or twice, but didn't get past looking and deciding I didn't want to learn. Priyanath talk 01:57, 22 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Another one to keep track of - User:Sita manu ; self-proclaimed copy-editor who goes around moving pages to grammatically incorrect titles. Been around for a couple of months, but user page has barnstars from two years back! I've just had to move back List of newspapers in India and Print media in India. Nothing but warnings on talk page! cheers. - SpacemanSpiff Calvin&#8225;Hobbes 17:26, 22 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Too many of them to keep track of. I find this helpful at times.... Priyanath talk 22:35, 22 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Yeah, that pretty much captures the insanity I'm caught in now. I just wish these people would leave the pages I edit, then I wouldn't find them! - SpacemanSpiff Calvin&#8225;Hobbes 01:51, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

RE: User:Maheshkumaryadav
Hey there! Thanks for approaching me with this; I'll try to deal with it as well as I can. I plan to leave a final, final warning on the editor's page; not a template or anything, just a final chance to talk with us. If he ignores it and keeps disregarding what everyone has said, I'll block him for a week. Cheers, Master of Puppets  - Call me MoP! :D  01:39, 22 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks - I tried a similar approach, with the usual response ("Blanked the page"). Maybe an admin will catch his attention this time, though I'm not exactly bursting with optimism about our friend Mahesh actually responding. Someone will let you know if he continues on the path to wikiperdition :-). Priyanath talk 01:45, 22 August 2009 (UTC)


 * I've started a discussion with him here. I apologize in advance if it seems that I'm not hard enough on him, but I don't want to alienate them. Right now I'm assuming good faith, and that they just didn't know what to do when a bunch of other editors showed up knocking and disapproving of edits. If you have anything you could add, you're welcome to add it (in a very civil, courteous tone, of course). Cheers, Master of Puppets  - Call me MoP! :D  16:59, 25 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks for trying to communicate with him. I just want to point out that nobody is getting angry with him. We just want him to start learning and following Wikipedia policy. If he continues on the track he is on, he will be blocked - at least two other admins beside yourself have already final-warned him. If you can look at his numerous deleted redirects and articles, you would have a better understanding of why so many editors have tried to help him understand policy, and now given up. I won't add my opinion on his talk page at this point, but I will attempt to have an admin block him if he continues what he has been doing. Priyanath talk 17:08, 25 August 2009 (UTC)


 * I've been through their contributions, yes. And, like you said, maybe all that's required is a bit more knowledge of Wikipedia policy. After all, not everyone finds it easy to join this place and have to jump through considerable numbers of hoops just to make one edit deemed acceptable by everyone else. I won't block him if he resumes, seeing how I'm already involved; however, I will ask another administrator to look at this if that does happen. Master of Puppets  - Call me MoP! :D  17:13, 25 August 2009 (UTC)


 * I have left another welcome message for the user, and am currently assuming good faith. I hope his edits reflect that going forward.- SpacemanSpiff Calvin&#8225;Hobbes 17:40, 25 August 2009 (UTC)


 * An assumption of good faith going forward is the way to go. It's fantastic that he finally responded to an attempt to engage him. Master of Puppets, I hope you are prepared to spend some time mentoring him over the coming weeks, as I think he has a lot of catching up to do on Wikipedia policies. Thanks, Priyanath talk 18:54, 25 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Sorry for butting in, but just pointing out something that's probably obvious: the "←Blanked the page" message is an automatic edit summary and not a manually entered one. Looking at the user's contributions (of course I can only see the non-deleted ones), it's not even clear he has ever used edit summaries except once or twice. Shreevatsa (talk) 21:03, 25 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks for making that more clear - when I pointed out his "usual response ("Blanked the page")", it was my typically too-subtle ironic style. Master of Puppets, you can add "edit summaries, please" to your mentoring. Other suggestions would include "respond to requests and comments on your talk page", "support all additions with Reliable Sources", "learn all about redirects, "don't recreate a redirect after it has already been deleted". All of this has already been pointed out to him, but I think you have his ear now, and an opportunity to help him become a productive editor over time. Thanks, Priyanath talk 21:15, 25 August 2009 (UTC)


 * I have a basic plan laid out. There is no magical way to give someone a way of understanding Wikipedia in one fell swoop, so I'm going to take things slowly and go at the user's own pace. Cheers, Master of Puppets  - Call me MoP! :D  03:05, 26 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks. Don't worry, I won't be looking over your shoulder tapping my foot and muttering about blocks :-). Priyanath talk 03:22, 26 August 2009 (UTC)


 * He's at it again. Moved Greater Chandigarh to Chandigarh Capital Region citing that if Delhi can be called National Capital Region, Chandigarh deserves that nom too! - SpacemanSpiff Calvin&#8225;Hobbes 08:15, 30 August 2009 (UTC)


 * I noticed that, too - but I think he finally got one right. I don't know if it's the extra attention he's getting, or if the stopped clock is correct twice a day, but it made sense when I saw it. Now doing a Google search just to confirm, "Chandigarh capital region" outdoes "Greater Chandigargh" 10-1, and in the news archive it's about 3-1. Priyanath talk 16:37, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

I saw that too, but on inspecting the news article I saw that there is a demand for Chandigarh capital region but there is a Greater Chandigarh council. This is probably a borderline case, so I left it. BTW, unrelated to this topic but it's more your and Shreevatsa's area of expertise, do Anthapura and Paatala loka deserve an article? cheers - SpacemanSpiff Calvin&#8225;Hobbes 17:25, 30 August 2009 (UTC)


 * I figure give Mahesh some slack for now and see what happens. I think the loka article should be merged with any relevant info to loka. The other one, I don't know about - it might be a stub, but it may be that it's use is not really that notable. It would take an expert, imo. Priyanath talk 18:31, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Familiar?
Appears to be like stopthenonsense but I'm not sure, thought I'd check with you before I took it further, unnecessary page moves, converting articles to dabs and absurd responses to messages. cheers. - SpacemanSpiff Calvin&#8225;Hobbes 16:16, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
 * It's hard to tell, since I only had a brief encounter with stopthenonsense. The name is fishy enough. You could ask User:YellowMonkey to do a sock check. The disruption alone may well be worth a posting at ANI. Priyanath talk 17:29, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I've asked YM to take a look. If it's not a sock, I'll take it to ANI. cheers. - SpacemanSpiff Calvin&#8225;Hobbes 19:05, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Sock and blocked, though not stopthenonsense's. Now I have to move back about 5 more pages to the correct titles, and clean out absurd text within articles. - SpacemanSpiff Calvin&#8225;Hobbes 02:14, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Good find by YM - it's obvious now comparing their page moves and whinging about Wikipedia. A WP:Indian Sock Directory with major socks, their patterns and habits would make a good project for someone with way too much time. Priyanath talk 02:51, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I thought it was the stopthenonsense guy because of the attitude towards others and the kind of typos, but then that guy was focused on Kerala mostly, this one hasn't touched a Kerala article yet and was focused on Urdu/Hindi names and made absurd moves taking links to dab pages or even other articles! I should probably stop watchlisting articles that I'm remotely interested in and keep only my main interest articles on my list. Today, I had to undo an autobiography tag on Muhammad of Ghor, I mean how can anyone even think of adding a tag like that! That's my rant of the day, after cleaning up page moves :) - SpacemanSpiff Calvin&#8225;Hobbes 03:12, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
 * There sure seems to be more and more of this kind of thing in the last few months (or people are just doing a better job of prodding and afding India-related articles). I have a very fluid watchlist, shrinking drastically depending on my mood, how busy I am in real life, and when I start taking things too seriously—though that autobiography tag gave me one of the best WP laughs in awhile. Priyanath talk 03:32, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Follow on
BTW, another couple of books you might be interested in are The Ramayana (R. K. Narayan) and The Mahabharata (R. K. Narayan). I've just finished the stubs for both books; both are a bit different from Rajaji's version which I guess you must've read, in style and commentary. cheers. - SpacemanSpiff Calvin&#8225;Hobbes 19:56, 29 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks - I'll look for those also. I've read Rajaji's Mahabharata, not his Ramayana. Gods, Demons and Others also looks like it would be enjoyable. Kamala Subramaniam's versions are still my favorites - so I might appreciate Narayan's, since he also sounds like a good storyteller. Priyanath talk 20:29, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Check out note 7 in Tales for the dying: the death narrative of the Bhāgavata-Purāṇa. Coincidence ? I think not :-) Abecedare (talk) 01:29, 31 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Don't know how I missed that, since I've looked at that page a few times in the last couple of days. Definitely a message from on high.... Priyanath talk 01:31, 31 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Makes me think that I haven't done justice to Gods, Demons and Others. Maybe Priyanath can improve it after returning from vacation. BTW, I've created stubs for Rajaji's Ramayana and Mahabharata, links to other recent creations here. cheers. - SpacemanSpiff Calvin&#8225;Hobbes 03:04, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

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I totally agree with Pedrero. With all the contributions Paramahansa Yogananda has brought the world why pick on small trifles to try to hamper his efforts. He left us so much knowledge, so much wisdom, so much love. [...] removed personal attack in violation of WP:BLP

Why do you Priyanath, who has such a suggestive name (are you the re-incarnation of Sri Yukteswar?) have such a firm grip on this site -- which should belong to all Master's disciples -- that at a minimal change you correct it right back? Have you nothing better to do? How about you use some of your time to meditate more and understand that by your watch dog attitude you are doing a terrible disservice to Master's work? I changed it because for me it is unbearable to see such petty remarks causing confusion in the minds of truth seekers, don't you see you are doing Maya's work?

Of course i don't expect you to change, you have to do what you believe and so have I. But I pity you such an unfortunate soul whose work in life is this, to make sure totally irrelevant facts stay up in what should have been a place for Master's holiness to blossom.

May Master bless you,

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 * Please discuss your issues, using Wikipedia policy and not personal attacks against living people, on the talk page of the article. If you continue violating WP:BLP, you will be blocked from editing. Priyanath talk 04:49, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

In regards to the 9.8.09 edits of Roberta Rossetto, they generally appear inappropriate and were right to be reverted. These are encyclopedia entries, academic presentations, and really not the place to rant and "get even". Priyanath is defending the good policy of Wikipedia, which is a clear presentation of the generally observed facts and opinions, which may vary towards a particular subject.Jack B108 (talk) 22:12, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

Rishiruna
Hi! Priyanth, Pl have a look at this draft article at User:Nvvchar/sandbox/Kedarnath Musk Deer National Park. Let me know if you wish to add more text to this with your vast knowledge of Hinduism subjects. It could then be posted on DYK jointly.--Nvvchar (talk) 10:51, 8 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Hi Nvvchar, you greatly overestimate my knowledge! I'll be happy to take a look at the article during the next couple days, mostly with the thought of tidying it up, since I don't know much specifically about rishiruna. Priyanath talk 20:41, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

Hinduism Template
In the Hinduism template, the articles are not arranged in proper order. The major concepts of hinduism such as Brahman (the absolute truth) and its representation - Om are not mentioned at all. There is no mention of hindu philosophies - samkhya, yoga, nyaya, vaisheshika, mimamsa and vedanta. Hindu scriptures should include vedangas - shiksha, chandas, vyakarana, nirukta, kalpa and jyotisha, because of their educational value. In the present teplate, the hindu denominations, which are of not much importance (when compared to other hinduism topics) are placed in a prominent place. That can come under a heading like belief and practices / culture / society. Hindu laws, calendar, artforms, festivals etc. can calso come under this head. Festivals are a part of hindu practices. Not to be included under related topics. To complete the metaphysical, epistamological and axiological concepts of Hinduism, which is more a philosophy than a religion, such an ordering is necessary. Hindu mythology is actually a repetition of the concepts in other articles. So it can come under the head - related topics. There is no mention of hindu educational systems. In the practices the varnashrama system (i.e chaturvarnya - 4 varnas -Brahmin, Kshatriya, Vaishya, Sudra) and 4 ashramas (brahmacharya, garhasthya, vanaprastha, sanyasa) etc. should come. All there require a complete rearrangement in the template. --Naveen Sankar (talk) 08:13, 11 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks for discussing. I've replied at the talk page and invited other editors to participate. Since it is such an important template, we should allow time for other editors to learn about it and join the discussion. Priyanath talk 15:10, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

Suicide attack
Check out this section Suicide attack. Feel that undue importance is given to some unwarranted statment by Bal Thackrey which even he himself did not take it seriously. I feel a section called Hindu is unwarranted and not required. But one chap called hohum is reverting my removals. Have a look and take appropriate action that you may feel.--Anish (talk) 18:44, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

Assistance
Hi Priyanath. Earlier I had a taken a source to the WP:RS board about a 'BBC documentary and Alaya Rahm trial'. It was discussed for a week by 4 independent wikipedians including you. In the end it was concluded that 'the 0ld BBC documentary' can either be removed as the following trial made it questionable (or) if left in the article the other secondary source 'The Daily Pioneer' which covers the 'Alaya Rahm trial' must also be included.
 * It was also agreed that 'Daily Pioneer article by Sandhya Jain' is reliably sourced.
 * Not including the 'The Daily Pioneer covering the Alaya Rahm trial' will be a BLP violation. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard&diff=304058770&oldid=304057209#Question.

In the conclusion the source referred by Priyanath is the 'Daily Pioneer' article.
 * New developments:

There are some editors and other activists who don't want to follow the earlierWP:RS recommendation and took it to the WP:RS board again and did not present case / facts correctly. There was not even a mention about the 'Alaya Rahm trial' which is mainly covered in the 'The Daily Pioneer' article.
 * I informed in the WP:RS board that this source has already been discussed and declared as 'reliable'.
 * Response from Fifelfoo here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard#Daily_Pioneer_.2F_Sandhya_Jain was 'I don't particularly case what past RS discussions found. OP-ED pieces do not present facts, but opinions'. Fifelfoo (talk) 13:04, 20 September 2009 (UTC). WP:RS supposed to be helping the editors but in this case its causing more confusing. If the WP:RS commentors says he doesn't care about earlier WP:RS discussions then why should editors care anything what the WP:RS board says in these discussion?
 * Why should a source already declared as reliable discussed again in the WP:RS.
 * Any suggestions from you here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard#Daily_Pioneer_.2F_Sandhya_Jain

will be greatly appreciated. Thanks. Radiantenergy (talk) 13:55, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

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Suyodhan
Should it be an article or a redirect? - SpacemanSpiff Calvin&#8225;Hobbes 22:34, 28 September 2009 (UTC)


 * I wasn't familiar with the name, but apparently it's correct (probably more accurately "Suyodhana"). It's already mentioned in the lead of the Duryodhana article. It definitely should be a redirect. By the way, I enjoyed Swami and Friends, and am almost through Malgudi Days, which has some very good (and very short) stories. For some reason, I was reminded of Abecedare's nearly flawless RfA while reading the story of the sculptor and his absolutely perfect statue :-). The other one, which I've received as a used copy, will have to wait a bit (Gods, Demons, and Others). Regards, Priyanath talk 23:09, 28 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Redirected. Yes, now that User:TeamQuaternion / User:GHALOOGHAARAA is the one that's causing the problems resulting from the lack of initial flaws that the sculptor had :) Although in this case, I guess it's going to be largely ignored. - SpacemanSpiff Calvin&#8225;Hobbes 23:17, 28 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Ghalooghaara does a better job of undermining his own credibility than any evidence we could possibly present. So I don't see his posts at the RFA as a problem or worth responding to - it's all in a day's work at wikipedia.
 * Btw, Priyanath, I would recommend reading Swami and Friends, The Bachelor of Arts and The English Teacher in succession. My mind somehow associate this loose series with the Apu Trilogy, even though they are very different in tone and themes. Abecedare (talk) 23:37, 28 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Critics do consider them a trilogy similar to the Apu Trilogy, so you aren't alone in that, something I'd included in the RKN article in one of of the earlier versions, but removed later. The English Teacher, while IMHO a bit depressing, is Alexander McCall Smith's favorite RKN book, at least that's what he told me. - SpacemanSpiff Calvin&#8225;Hobbes 23:47, 28 September 2009 (UTC)


 * I think the plots of the two series have some parallels, but the experience of reading/seeing them is quite different. The mood of the Narayan series shifts perfectly as the characters age and the last book is very poignant, especially if one reads it as the culmination of the series, since one has almost grown with Swami/Chandran/Krishna by then. I won't say more since I don't want to spoil these book treasure for Priyanath! Abecedare (talk) 00:01, 29 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the reading tip! I also noticed that the IP was TQ/G, and not worth a response. In fact, I think he's helping to build quite a good case for 'support' :-). Priyanath talk 23:50, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

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Can you add these favorite articles of your back to your watchlist? I accidentally went back to the articles today, and saw that one user - MatthewVanitas is trying his best to ward off the POV pushers, so extra eyes might help. They are on mine too. cheers. - SpacemanSpiff Calvin&#8225;Hobbes 21:19, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
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Welcome back
Hope you enjoyed the break! To make sure you haven't forgotten all about wikipedia editing during your time off, here is a spot-quiz:
 * Q: Somebody adds "yo Hinduism" to the Hinduism page. Should the edit be reverted ?
 * A: Check here.

Happy editing!Abecedare (talk) 03:30, 13 October 2009 (UTC)


 * You almost had me until I looked. I'm tempted to add Yo-yo to my watchlist just to see if it's reverted when Yoruba Wikipedia has an article. I added a very belated congratulations on your talk page. With all of your new toys, I hope you still have time to edit! Priyanath talk 03:46, 13 October 2009 (UTC)


 * This is even better, Yo Mama on Mother Teresa! - Spaceman  Spiff  05:17, 17 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks - that really did make me literally LOL (with no disrespect to Mother Teresa). Priyanath talk 14:22, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

Bhagavata Purana
Nice work done on the article. Do nominate it for GA WP:GAN. -- Redtigerxyz Talk 12:28, 13 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks for noticing - it's seen huge improvements from just four months ago, thanks to a few editors, particularly Abecedare. I was thinking of nominating it at some point, but there are still some more improvements I'd like to see first. It might take awhile, since I'll be busy at times in the next few months. Here is a good to-do list created by Abecedare. I don't think all of that needs to be done first, but there are some important things missing still: more is needed on its placement/comparison with other literature; cultural significance; text/language/history ; and an Advaita section within the philosophy section.


 * Good work with the image cleanup - I threw many of them in there quickly. And I came close several times to doing exactly what you did: move the Hindu Scriptures template down and replace it with that very beautiful Mount Govardhan image. I just wasn't bold enough! Priyanath talk 16:18, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

Regarding changes in wikipage of caste :" Maratha"
My explanation for removing the quote from colonel i.e.

"In 1798 Colonel Tone, who commanded a regiment of the Peshwa’s army, wrote[2] of the Marāthas: “The three great tribes which compose the Marātha caste are the Kunbi or farmer, the Dhangar or shepherd, and the Gawli or cowherd; to this original cause may perhaps be ascribed that great simplicity of manner which distinguishes the Marātha people.”[3]"

1) Maratha caste do exists far before the 1798. A people from a certain caste do know what there caste is. Dhanagar, Gawali,Maratha are absolutely different castes( I do believe, you live in India and aware of the caste system here.) 2)I take it highly offensive to categories/refer these Kunbi as a "Tribe" by someone outsider and mention four different caste as a single caste , even-if they are registered as separate different caste today. 3)If it is the question of quotes only by someone in a history(past-Independence Era), I do have many quotes which referring "Maratha" as an independent caste and it is having absolutely no relation with Caste Dhanagar ,Gawali. Kunbi is subcaste of Caste "Maratha" and for which ,we certainly not required a Great Quote from someone outside the India.

I am having other points, but first I want see your "Independent" explanation regarding "WHY" you are interested in putting the above Quote here. I believe, the explanation is Genuine and is far more than just scratching out my points. Expecting your "Explanation" sooner, at least before you can undo my change. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ingale 74 (talk • contribs) 13:13, 14 October 2009 (UTC)


 * I've replied on the article talk page. If you are the same editor as User:Mahajansk‎, please stop using an alternate account and read Wikipedia policies on Sockpuppetry here: WP:SOCK. Priyanath talk 17:20, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

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