User talk:ProNeticas

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Hello, ProNeticas, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Unfortunately, one or more of the pages you created, such as ProNeticas, may not conform to some of Wikipedia's guidelines, and may soon be deleted.

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Speedy deletion nomination of ProNeticas


A tag has been placed on ProNeticas requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G12 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article appears to be a clear copyright infringement. For legal reasons, we cannot accept copyrighted text or images borrowed from other web sites or printed material, and as a consequence, your addition will most likely be deleted. You may use external websites as a source of information, but not as a source of sentences. This part is crucial: say it in your own words.

If the external website belongs to you, and you want to allow Wikipedia to use the text — which means allowing other people to modify it — then you must verify that externally by one of the processes explained at Donating copyrighted materials. If you are not the owner of the external website but have permission from that owner, see Requesting copyright permission. You might want to look at Wikipedia's policies and guidelines for more details, or ask a question here.

If you think that this notice was placed here in error, contest the deletion by clicking on the button labelled "Click here to contest this speedy deletion," which appears inside of the speedy deletion tag (if no such tag exists, the page is no longer a speedy delete candidate). Doing so will take you to the talk page where you will find a pre-formatted place for you to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. You can also visit the the page's talk page directly to give your reasons, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the page meets the criterion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the page that would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Porturology (talk) 07:55, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

Copyright
Sorry, it is up to you to show that you are using the material by permission. It is not up to us to find out more than that the material is copyright. See WP:COPYVIO on copyright and Wikipedia, and how to comply with licensing requirements. I would also suggest looking at WP:GNG for rules on general notability, WP:COI for conflict of interest (writing about something you have a close connection with), WP:RS which is about reliable sources which you must use for referencing (the company site is not counted as a reliable source for notability), and WP:SPAM which is about advertising or promotion. Thank you. Peridon (talk) 11:49, 2 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Rewriting means getting right away from the original - changing 'you' to 'anyone' without altering the rest of the sentence is not enough. The policies above must be taken into account, don't forget. I've put an 'under construction' tag on, but until the copyright material is changed, any admin may decide to delete. Good luck. Peridon (talk) 11:55, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of ProNeticas


A tag has been placed on ProNeticas, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia for multiple reasons. Please see the page to see the reasons. If the page has since been deleted, you can ask me the reasons by leaving a message on my user talk page.

If you think that this notice was placed here in error, contest the deletion by clicking on the button labelled "Click here to contest this speedy deletion," which appears inside of the speedy deletion tag (if no such tag exists, the page is no longer a speedy delete candidate). Doing so will take you to the talk page where you will find a pre-formatted place for you to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. You can also visit the the page's talk page directly to give your reasons, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the page meets the criterion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the page that would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. If the page is deleted, you can contact one of these administrators to request that the administrator userfy the page or email a copy to you. &mdash; KuyaBriBri Talk 18:08, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

Blocked
Your account has been blocked indefinitely from editing Wikipedia because it appears to be mainly intended or used for publicity and/or promotional purposes. Please read the following carefully.

Why can't I edit Wikipedia?

Your account's edits and/or username indicate that it is being used on behalf of a company, group, celebrity or other well-known individual, or organization for purposes of promotion and/or publicity. The edits may have violated one or more of our rules on spamming, which include: adding inappropriate external links, posting advertisements, and using Wikipedia for promotion. Wikipedia has many articles on companies, groups, and organizations, but such groups are generally discouraged from using Wikipedia to write about themselves. In addition, usernames like yours are disallowed under our username policy.

Probably not. See WP:FAQ/Organizations for a helpful list of frequently asked questions by people in your position. Also, review the conflict of interest guidance to see the kinds of limitations you would have to obey if you did want to continue editing about your company, group, or organization. If this does not fit in with your goals, then you will not be allowed to edit again. Consider using one of the many websites that allow this instead.
 * Am I allowed to make these edits if I change my username?

You are still welcome to write about something other than your company or organization. If you do intend to make useful contributions on some other topic, you must convince a Wikipedia administrator that you mean it. To that end, please do the following:
 * What can I do now?


 * Add the text on your user talk page.
 * Replace the text "Your proposed new username" with a new username you are willing to use. See Special:Listusers to search for available usernames. Your new username will need to meet our username policy.
 * Replace the text "Your reason here" with your reason to be unblocked. In this reason, you must:
 * Convince us that you understand the reason for your block and that you will not repeat the edits for which you were blocked.
 * Describe in general terms the contributions that you intend to make if you are unblocked.

If you believe this block was made in error, please see how to appeal a block. ~Amatulić (talk) 19:34, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

deletion and block
Hi, thanks for the email. The block for using a company or product name is routine, since it's construed as spam. You must create another account. Either follow the steps above, or email me and I'll unblock you so that you can create another account with a uncontentious name.

Your article was full of problems.
 * The first version was copied from the company website, which does not explicitly release its content under a free licence. If it is your website, there are ways around this, but the text would lead to other problems.
 * The latest version did not provide independent verifiable sources to enable us to verify the facts or show that it meets the notability guidelines for companies and organisations. Your company websites are not independent, and cannot establish notability.
 * Bolding Pronetics every time is spammy, just once in the lead please.
 * There are a number of claims that require verification from an independent source.
 * building websites starting from the inception of the internet
 * their premier CMS product. premier is spammy
 * for rapid application development and express releases of websites. spam unless sourced with in-line independent ref.


 * the thrust of the article is to describe the products, there is almost nothing about the company itself, so it looks like product-pushing

I blocked the article name from recreation, but if you decide to register a new account, we can sort out how to go forward  Jimfbleak -  talk to me?  15:14, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

Reply to your email
Mr. Grove:

You sent me email also. Please keep Wikipedia business on Wikipedia if possible.

Let me address some of the points in your email:

It is not "up to the perception" of Wikipedia whether material is written by the contributor or not. If the material can be found anywhere outside Wikipedia, it cannot be used verbatim in a Wikipedia article until the Volunteer Response Team has received notification and proof from the copyright holder that the material can be re-published on Wikipedia. This was not done, so your article was tagged as a copyright violation and deleted.

You mention that Wikipedia articles exist on your competitors: O3spaces, UCoz, Goss Interactive, and Avactis. The fact that you used them as templates for your article is irrelevant. Actual article templates are governed by Manual of Style and associated style guidelines. Except for Goss Interactive, it is not clear that any of them were created by someone with a conflict of interest, and I do believe Goss Interactive would be a candidate for deletion. UCoz actually did get deleted in March 2008 and was restored in a deletion review, as you can see from the top of Talk:uCoz.

Furthermore, for the most part, these companies have sufficient coverage in reliable secondary sources to meet the criteria for inclusion in Notability and Notability (organizations and companies). Your article did not show that your company meets those criteria.

To answer your questions:
 * Should these companies be removed as well? One of them, possibly. I have tagged Goss Interactive for deletion. (Update 10 May 2011: Article is now deleted.)
 * Were they able to slip under the radar of Wikipedia? This can happen, but for the most part those companies seem to meet the criteria for inclusion to have an article here, and those articles did not appear to have a promotional purpose.
 * Did they pay money to list their content? Some companies and individuals pay public-relations firms to write Wikipedia articles about them. We catch those where we can. A PR firm's entire IP address range can be blocked from editing when there's a pattern of abuse. We routinely block corporate IP addresses that try to spam Wikipedia. In the case of link-spamming, we can blacklist a company's entire domain; and I've heard that Google and other large search engines pay attention to Wikipedia's blacklist in their search rankings, so this is no small thing.
 * Is there some biased process in which they are allowed to discuss their products but ProNeticas is not? Wikipedia is not a forum to "discuss" products. Any discussion here should be about improving the articles. You can always propose an article at Articles for creation to gauge the community consensus about inclusion of a new article. I recommend this avenue for any first-time editor.

You write: "I am hitting some level of frustration with this process and need some guidance to be able to list our products" and "We recognize Wikipedia as a global source for industry content". If that is your attitude, then you will remain frustrated. Wikipedia is not here to help you list your products. Wikipedia does not exist to provide you with publicity in any way. See the official policy What Wikipedia is not. Wikipedia exists to publish information about notable topics, with "notability" clearly defined in the guidelines I mentioned above.

Finally, you regard my blocking of your account as "tawdry". Please read Username policy and read your block message above. Not only did you create a corporate username, which is prohibited here, but you used it to write promotional material about your company. Therefore, you were blocked, not out of spite, but as a consequence of your own policy violations. If you want to be a constructive contributor, please see the instructions above on creating an unblock request so that you can rename your account to something that represents only you. ~Amatulić (talk) 17:22, 3 May 2011 (UTC)