User talk:Probert

Albanians
A user with a Swedish IP 213.100.205.149 has been adding unverifiable info on Albanians. Could you please have a word with him. REX 13:15, 16 October 2005 (UTC)


 * User:213.100.205.149 is identical with Swedish user sv:Användare:L'Houngan, a rabid Albanian nationalist, who also is the sock puppet master of User:Albanau and User:L'Houngan as well as sv:Användare:Albanau, sv:Användare:Arnauti, sv:Användare:Piana and sv:Användare:213.100.205.149. This troll is blocked indefinitely on Swedish Wikipedia. Probert 14:23, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

You may be interested in another troll. User:Theathenae a.k.a. User:Thrakiotis and possibly User:Chronographos and on the Swedish Wikipedia sv:Användare:Arvanítis, who has been banned for promoting Grekisk propaganda. You may wish to investigate this :-) REX 14:34, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

Help!
user:Elephantus keeps editing my Rudjer Boskovic page without explaining his changes. No matter how many times I edit it back, he keeps adding the Croatian language in the text. I don't know what to do! HolyRomanEmperor 17:31, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

See the Rudjer Boskovic page and talk page, when you have time. HolyRomanEmperor 21:13, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

User:213.100.205.149 has deleted your ban notes... again. HolyRomanEmperor 21:50, 17 October 2005 (UTC)


 * Yes, I noticed that, but by now everyone knows that he is a rabid Albanian troll. He has been indefinitely banned on Swedish Wikipedia, but continues to operate through his many sock puppets. Probert 21:56, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

Yes. What about Rudjer Boskovic? I don't see a reason to keep the Croatian language. Can you clarify this a bit? HolyRomanEmperor 20:50, 20 October 2005 (UTC)


 * Me? Clarify? I'm on your side, remember... Probert 23:25, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

response from MATIA
I've talked with Albanau in mid-summer. I've also seen your concerns about him and the ip *.149 and I think that you should try an RFC. While I share some of your concerns (check Talk:Arvanites for my approach, though like everyone else you'll find this talk page very difficult to read, so if you want to try just focus on the top 40% of the talk page), I cannot help you and probably most admins can't help you either. While I understand what you are doing, most people will question your motives, so instead of informing people on their talk pages try something like an RFC. Good luck and take care. +MATIA &#9742; 11:09, 22 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Do try RFC. +MATIA &#9742; 14:43, 22 October 2005 (UTC)


 * I am preparing the case. Don't you worry! Probert 15:39, 22 October 2005 (UTC)

I am afraid I have my own worries. Avoid the personal remarks, even if you could verify them on a RFC. Let those who examine the RFC to see what to do. +MATIA &#9742; 16:36, 22 October 2005 (UTC)

What is your nationality? HolyRomanEmperor 16:14, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

That was not an insult... HolyRomanEmperor 16:29, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

Wiki-Stalking
Probert, I'm concerned that while you are probably acting out of good faith, you are wiki-stalking Albanau. A casual glance at Special:Contributions/Probert reveals that all you have been doing lately is following Albanau around the wiki, calling him a troll and reverting every edit he makes. As far as I can see, he hasn't been trolling, vandalising or doing anything inappropriate. Give him a break. It doesn't make any difference what has happened on the Swedish Wikipedia. He is banned there, not here. He can do whatever he wants (within acceptable observance of Wikipedia policy) here. Please stop wiki-stalking him, because if he reports you, however bad he is, you will be blocked. It has happened to other users. Rex(talk) 22:38, 30 October 2005 (UTC)


 * I am sorry to say this, but it is widely known that Albanau is a troll. For example he says that Francesco Crispi is from Albanian stock. This is not true, just a POV Albanian comment. And I noticed that you support him in this. Where are your sources? I am NOT wiki-stalking anyone, I am just on a mission to keep English Wikipedia NPOV. Probert 22:48, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

From User:Macedonian
I added comments on my talk page concerning your post. Please check them out. Also, I would like you to tell me more about User:Albanau, so I can make a clear judgement. Thanks, man. Macedonian(talk) 02:55, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

Crispi and the Arbëreshë
If you check the Website of the Associazione Culturale di Minoranza Linguistica Storica d'Italia you would find that it says: In Italia gli Arbëreshë hanno contribuito alla nascita dell'attuale contesto italiano con personaggi di rilievo, tra i quali : Papi Clemente XI e Clemente XII, Antonio Gramsci, Francesco Crispi, Girolamo De Rada, Masci, ecc. Of course I can't speak Italian, but I think that tha's clear enough. If it were an Albanian Website, one could assume that it is propaganda, but it is an Italian Website, and Italians are admitting that Crispi is Arbëreshë. What does that mean? Rex(talk) 09:09, 31 October 2005 (UTC)


 * If you read carefully, you will understand that this "Italian" site is full of Arbëreshë and Albanian propaganda. Sorry, man! Probert 09:12, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

... and how would you define Arbëreshë and Albanian propaganda? Are you Italian? Rex(talk) 09:19, 31 October 2005 (UTC)


 * Have it your way! Turn English Wikipedia into an Albanian playground with ethnic lies all around. FYI, User:Albanau is permanently banned on Swedish Wikipedia. I do NOT want to fight, but he is a troll! I am merely stating the bare facts. Probert 10:20, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

Not my way. I have known Albanau for months; he is not a troll. A POV-pusher maybe, but not a troll. Trolls always use talk pages. Albanau never uses them. Rex(talk) 12:04, 31 October 2005 (UTC)


 * That's a strange definition of trolling. Why do you think he's eternally banned on Swedish Wikipedia? Well, he has been conducting several edit wars, abused innocent users och edited from open proxies. BTW, do not start an off topic debate, just give me solid proof that Crispi was Arbëreshë. Probert 12:19, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

Well, a quick [http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=Crispi+Arb%C3%ABresh%C3%AB%3A.it&prssweb=Search&ei=UTF-8&fr=FP-tab-web-t&fl=0&x=wrt Yahoo! search] in the .it domains reveals that the University of Rome and Local Government Agencies in Italy, have no problem saying that Crispi was Arbëreshë. It's incredible how far the vast Albanian Conspiracy goes, isn't it? Rex(talk) 12:34, 31 October 2005 (UTC)


 * Yes, lies of this magnitude have a tendency to spread... Probert 13:06, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

That's a load of bull and you know it! Why don't you just accept the fact that Crispi was Arbëreshë? It's true, and more importantly, according to Wikipedia policies Verifiability, Cite sources and Reliable sources it we should say that Crispi was Arbëreshë. I'm no Albanian nationalist, I'm (in this case at least) interested in facts. Unless of course you believe that this Vast Albanian Conspiracy  is of such magnitute, that it puts the alleged "Zionist Occupation Government" conspiracy theory in perspective and forces the University of Rome to promote Albanian propaganda. You asked for sources and I gave you sources. What more do you want? Rex(talk) 14:20, 31 October 2005 (UTC)


 * May God Almighty bless you! Probert 16:38, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

Hello Probert. I highly encourage to write that RFC you told me about. You might find interesting Talk:Arvanites or User:Matia.gr/Evidence (some of them are already parsed). +MATIA &#9742; 12:44, 1 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Yes, I am currently amassing information and evidence. I got an email stating that REX is one of Albanaus sock puppets. Probert 15:42, 1 November 2005 (UTC)


 * REX is not Albanau. +MATIA &#9742; 22:10, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

I am completly familiar with Albanau's rabid Greater Albanian nationalism; for this man hates everything that is not Albanian (among those things, me :( Albanau hates Serbia with all of his guts; and yet REX wrote on my talk page ...God bless Serbia.... HolyRomanEmperor 20:36, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

WARNING: I found another of Albanau's sockpuppets: User:86.128.155.79. He keeps creating them to vandilise my talk page :O HolyRomanEmperor 20:38, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

WARNING: I found another of Albanau's sockpuppets: User:86.128.155.79. He keeps creating them to vandilise my talk page :O HolyRomanEmperor 20:39, 1 November 2005 (UTC)


 * That rabid Albanian has many sock puppets, e.g. User:L'Houngan and User:213.100.205.149. Probert 21:02, 1 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Um Probet, if you suspect sockpuppetry, why don't you report it to an administrator? Trolls should be gone from Wikipedia! Rex(talk)[[Image:Flag of Albania.svg|25px]] 21:18, 1 November 2005 (UTC)


 * You can count on that! Probert 22:03, 1 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Good! If you need help, call me! Rex(talk)[[Image:Flag of Albania.svg|25px]] 22:08, 1 November 2005 (UTC)


 * I certainly will! Probert 22:22, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

User:Albanau - the wiki troll
I just found another rabid Albanian nationalist: user:Getoar. He is probably another user:Albanau's sockpuppet You should see his contributions; moving the name of the town of Srbica to Skenderaj, deleting aticles of crimes on Kosovo, writing that there are 20,000,000 Albanians in the world and vandalising the article of Kosovo. HolyRomanEmperor 19:22, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

What I can't forgive him is that the troll wrote on Kosovo article that there are 2,733,600 Albanians!!! And he moved the Albanian name Kosova to the top!!! Could you deal with these last to edits (and with his future vandalism) if possible? HolyRomanEmperor 19:39, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

Correct: The Albanian figure is 1,733,600 (88%); 137,900 (7%); 59,100 Muslim Slavs and Bosniaks (3%), 39,400 (2%) and 19,700 Turks (1%) according to the official census: HolyRomanEmperor 19:44, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

Skenderaj  has to be returned to Srbica were it originally stood, but I can't do it! Can you give a hand? HolyRomanEmperor 20:00, 5 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Albanau's sock puppetry is so pathetic and easily unveiled. I hope that he will grow up one day! Probert 23:33, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

Warning: The Internet Troll user:Zmaj is vandalising the Rudjer Boskovic, Ivan Gundulic and ethnic cleansing pages. Please revert those changes. Yours trully, the anti-troll HolyRomanEmperor 18:16, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

Rudjer Boskovic, Ivan Gundulic and Ethnic cleansing articles HolyRomanEmperor 18:21, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

My friend, I have found another Greater Muslim troll: User:Emir_Arven He keeps spreading nonsensical Greater Moslem propaganda and destroying wiki articles. HolyRomanEmperor 18:57, 24 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Very good, we have to reveal all nationalist trolls! Did you know that Albanau/L'Houngan have been trolling on sv:, scn:, and it: wikis? Probert 20:08, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

Why don't we start a process of banning Albanau? HolyRomanEmperor 13:55, 25 November 2005 (UTC)


 * That might be a good idea. I heard that they did that on Swedish Wikipedia, but he creates new sock puppets all the time. sv:Användare:Albanau is banned indefinitely on sv: wiki, but his sock puppet sv:Användare:L'Houngan is pestering that wiki with his deranged Albanian nationalism as we speak. Probert 14:39, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

But what to do with User:Emir_Arven? HolyRomanEmperor 15:38, 26 November 2005 (UTC)


 * He will grow tired soon. Just ignore him and revert his edits. BTW, Albanau has a fairly new sock puppet on Swedish Wikipedia – sv:Användare:Arnauti. Probert 06:42, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

Thanks
I appreciate the strikethrough. :) --Syrthiss 03:28, 6 December 2005 (UTC)


 * You're welcome! :) Probert 03:32, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

Vandalisam...
Please report vandalism to me. --Street Scholar 15:24, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

List of Dictators and Omar Bongo
The recent removal of Bongo by User:Swedenman is not really vandalism; reverting it should have more comment, I think. Unfortunately, there is a low-level edit war over the inclusion of Bongo between Swedenman and Sesel; the latter editor has done much more constructive work on the article, and has generally made helpful comments (Swedenman has been less helpful with edit comments and talk page discussion). Nonetheless, in my own look, I think Swedenman seems to be right on this item, and I'm not really convinced that Sesel (or any other editor) has demonstrated that Bongo meets the list criteria. Then again, I do not know enough in the area to be firm in this opinion.

If you would contribute to the discussion at Talk:List of dictators/Omar_Bongo that would be very helpful. Since you restored the name, could you please explain why you feel it meets the list criteria, or maybe even suggests support citations. IMO the WP article on Bongo does not by itself satisfy the criteria. Lulu of the Lotus-Eaters 19:07, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

Thx.
Hi, thanks for letting me know of Swedenman. --Gurubrahma 05:33, 25 February 2006 (UTC)


 * You're welcome! Probert 05:49, 25 February 2006 (UTC)


 * With respect to your latest message, every user has the right to refactor his user space, so deleting comments from his own talkpage is no offence. This is deemed to not apply to things such as recent warnings for vandalism or copyright notices, but there is no policy (afaik) against that as well. However, if he is deleting comments (even his own) from your talkpage, that is considered a bad form and the user is warned. --Gurubrahma 07:01, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

Well, definitely the edit summary is in bad taste, but probably you should leave him alone as far as his talkpage is concerned. You can place evidences that show that he is a troll or a vandal on other wikipedias on your userpage or on one of your sub-pages. You seem to be doing some fine work in tracking trolls and vandals and in keeping an eye on them. Keep doing that, but stay cool. --Gurubrahma 09:29, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

User:Swedenman
Hi, thanks for also informing me of User:Swedenman. I'm just curious though&mdash;sorry if I missed it&mdash;how do you know that he is identical to sv:Användare:Filipman? --70.25.168.90 22:29, 3 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Swedenman and Filipman uses the same IP. Probert 22:38, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I see. What can we do about him?  WP:RFC or WP:WQA?  I think even besides his involvement in the Swedish Wikipedia, he has caused quite an amount of disruption to Wikipedia with his English one. --70.25.168.90 18:02, 4 March 2006 (UTC)


 * The guy must be blocked! Maybe we should start with WP:WQA. I made a comment on Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents, but nothing happened. Probert 18:25, 4 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Hello Probert. To be honest, I don't know what to do with him. The best solution for this type of vandalism would be to post a complaint at the Administrators' Noticeboard, but I see you've already done that. Probably the only way to go from here is to wait if he does it again; then post anohter request at WP:AN.  Lord  ViD 19:32, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

Deepest sympathies to a person made as frustrated by this user as I have become. Thankyou and congratulations on the efforts to stop his damaging edits here. Best wishes, and here's hoping he won't have to be dealt with for much longer, Aegwyn 14:52, 15 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your words! IMO Swedenman should be permanently banned from Wikipedia. Probert 18:38, 15 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Yes, I completely agree. It's a guarantee that he'll do it again when he returns from his edit block. --Aegwyn 05:01, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

I believe the 1 week block will remain effective unless he is unblocked then blocked again for 24 hours. If I am wrong and his block expires after only 24 hours, let me know and I'll block to make up the difference.Gator (talk) 14:20, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

Saints Wikiproject
I noted that you have been contributing to articles about saints. I invite you to join the WikiProject Saints. You can sign up on the page and add the following userbox to your user page.

I also invite you to join the discussion on prayers and infoboxes here: Prayers_are_NPOV.

Thanks! --evrik 18:29, 28 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the invitation! Probert 06:13, 2 May 2006 (UTC)