User talk:Procoretech

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Speedy deletion nomination of User:Procoretech/Sandbox
A tag has been placed on User:Procoretech/Sandbox, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G11 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page seems to be unambiguous advertising which only promotes a company, product, group, service or person and would need to be fundamentally rewritten in order to become an encyclopedia article. Please read the guidelines on spam as well as FAQ/Business for more information.

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Welcome to Wikipedia. Because we have a policy against usernames that give the impression that the account represents a group or organization, I have blocked this account; please create a new account. You may ask for a review of this username block by adding the text below this message, or you can email me by clicking on "E-mail this user" on my talk page, and I'll respond on my talk page. Thanks. - Dank (push to talk) 21:22, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

User:Procoretech/Sandbox
I initially removed the speedy tag on User:Procoretech/Sandbox, but on second thought I've gone ahead and deleted it. Normally I encourage editors to develop articles on their user pages, but this one would always have a suspicion of bias about it from your close connection to the company.

Please read through WP:COI carefully to see why writing articles about yourself or your employer are strongly discouraged. If your company truly is notable, someone not connected with the company will come along and write about it. If your company doesn't yet meet WP:N, focus your efforts on becoming notable first. HTH -- Fabrictramp |  talk to me  21:37, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Response from Procoretech

Wow, kind of a snarky attitude seems to come through in Fabrictramp's response. "Focus your efforts on becoming notable first"? I would contend that being featured in a LA Times story that was picked up by nationwide newswires, awarded industry accolades over multiple years, and being recognized for innovation as a web-based technology tool for use in green building/LEED certification, would all amount to "notability". In addition, this company has received these mentions over a period of years, in a variety of publications, for a wide variety of reasons.

All statements in the article are supported by the external references, and there are no "booster" adjectives or other hype. I can find several other start-up companies on Wikipedia that have similar articles -- why is this one any different? Because a company employee instead of a PR agency wrote up the facts? Please demonstrate any hint of bias and I will concede your point. Otherwise, I believe that you are violating the Wikipedia policy on notability by biasing your editorial comments in favor of larger organizations. I read your comments as saying "You may be innovative, but you're not large enough yet to be notable, so come back later."


 * I'm sorry you thought my response was "snarky" -- I assure you it wasn't intended to be. Perhaps you misread my statement: "focus your efforts on becoming notable first" was preceded by "If your company doesn't yet meet WP:N". Since it apparently does, the second part of the sentence obviously does not apply.


 * Also, you might reread the first paragraph that I wrote, because it seems you misinterpreted that as well. I was ready to remove the tag because I felt the article was not fundamentally an advert. However, having the user name Procoretech as the creator of the article will make many Wikipedia editors suspect bias, even if none is there. This has absolutely nothing to do with the size of the company. Frankly, I don't know the size of the company, and I'm not going to look it up because it makes no difference. If an editor named "MicrosoftDude" had created the Microsoft article, people would suspect bias there too, rightly or wrongly.


 * So it comes down to this. You can create a new account and ask any admin (myself included) to restore the article, and then deal on your own with people suspecting bias. You can create a new account and recreate the article from scratch, ignoring that WP:COI strongly discourages this. Or you can create a new account, but decide to work on articles that have no connection to you or your business. It's up to you. -- Fabrictramp |  talk to me  00:07, 29 July 2009 (UTC)