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January 2022
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Thanks, BilledMammal (talk) 04:08, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

Portal purge
Thank you for making User:ProcBot/PurgeList available. Are you happy for me to advertise it at WT:WikiProject Portals? Several portals implement anniversary sections etc. by transcluding /Subpage/{&#123;#time:M j}} or similar, and this looks like exactly what we need for keeping them current. Does /purge|Foo|1|day mean shortly after midnight UTC, or some random time (in which case we might want to purge more often)? Certes (talk) 14:39, 5 January 2022 (UTC)


 * Sure. |1|day will be shortly after midnight UTC. ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 14:44, 5 January 2022 (UTC)

BRFA - Thanks for closing my reqs
Thanks again for closing my BRFAs. Sorry, I was away from WP when you followed up at Bots/Requests for approval/DaxServerBot I 2 and thus wasn't able to answer. I unfortunately did not have the time as I presumed to work on the bots. — DaxServer (talk · contribs) 10:41, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

Discretionary sanctions topic area changes
In a process that began last year with WP:DS2021, the Arbitration Committee is evaluating Discretionary Sanctions (DS) in order to improve it. A larger package of reforms is slated for sometime this year. From the work done so far, it became clear a number of areas may no longer need DS or that some DS areas may be overly broad.

The topics proposed for revocation are:
 * Senkaku islands
 * Waldorf education
 * Ancient Egyptian race controversy
 * Scientology
 * Landmark worldwide

The topics proposed for a rewording of what is covered under DS are:
 * India, Pakistan, and Afghanistan
 * Armenia/Azerbaijan

Additionally any Article probation topics not already revoked are proposed for revocation.

Community feedback is invited and welcome at Arbitration/Requests/Motions. --Barkeep49 (talk) 16:59, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

Main page history
The talk od the page tells me that you are behind the bot. No history was written yesterday. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:34, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Which day do you mean? Main Page history/2022 January 14 seems to exist. ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 09:48, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
 * ? When I say yesterday on 15 Jan I mean 14 Jan, no? Seriously: I saw (and still see) 14 as a red link on Main Page history, but now see that the page is there. So fine. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:04, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Depends on your timezone; since the page for the 14th exists I thought you might’ve meant something else. The redlink is probably because the main history page needs a purge/null edit. ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 10:10, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks for explaining further but I already said it's fine ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:08, 15 January 2022 (UTC)

tlc RfA
I told tlc to revert striking their acceptance including the date. Now that you closed the RfC, you may be the one to do that. I at least don't dare to touch a closed discussion. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:27, 29 January 2022 (UTC)


 * I think the finaltally template also needs to be substituted, but it includes a signature and it would look strange for that signature to be a non-crat. I added the header template since it seemed appropriate for an RfA to not continue after the candidate requests withdrawal, but I'm going to leave the rest of the cleanup to the responding crat. ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 12:34, 29 January 2022 (UTC)
 * always learning, ping 28bytes: theleekycauldron would like to have the strikethrough-part reverted (see their talk), - who can do that how at this point? - The statement about no paid editing should not be struck, nor the signature, nor - if you ask me - even the acceptance at the time of the signature. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:57, 29 January 2022 (UTC)
 * @ProcrastinatingReader I've inserted the finaltally, if a crat wants to they can reclose but given the multiple !votes after your close I found it prudent to properly close it, lest we get more accidental votes, as a crat closure is only required for successful request per the procedures (One could argue I'm technically slightly outside policy as an INVOLVED editor who isn't closing their own withdrawal, but given the fact leeky clearly withdrew I'm just going to IAR on that part) -- Asartea   Talk  &#124;  Contribs  13:24, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

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Does ProcBot work for purging non-enwiki pages?
Does 🐶 EpicPupper (he/him &#124; talk) 04:47, 8 February 2022 (UTC)


 * Not currently, no. It will only work for enwiki. ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 23:46, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

Tennis cleaup bot
Thanks for approving the tennis mover bot (TolBot 13A). You're the only approver I know of, so I can suggest you look at Bot_requests and the associated BRFA for the corresponding cleanup edits? Dicklyon (talk) 01:37, 11 February 2022 (UTC)


 * Hi. I don't have the time, in the immediate future, to take on more BRFAs. I'm sure another BAG member (list) will respond to the request shortly, though note it isn't always a quick process. ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 13:36, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

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Be sure your sins will find ….
No, not really. I was reading ===What information should be included in the infobox=== regarding Peter Sellars when I recalled something you wrote at a previous RfC which I meant to explore further because as times go by and the number of infobox RfC's grows, it will be increasingly relevant?
 * I'd also note that having a collapsed infobox is even more rare than having no infobox at all, on a developed article..."

One thing and another, never did get around to checking it out. Where can I see data re this? I couldnt find it. Cheers Moriori (talk) 23:45, 16 February 2022 (UTC)


 * Hey, good to hear from you. Can't remember what data I used to make that comment (t'was in 2020) but if I were going to find data on the issue today: infobox collapsing is usually done with Template:Collapsed infobox section begin (that's how it was done on Frank Sinatra too). You can see the number of usages of that template here (currently 1060) and a list of pages here. It's possible to collapse without that template but more effort, so it seems safe to say 1060 is an upper bound. A lot of those articles are partial collapses, like Aung San Suu Kyi where only the ministerial offices from 2016–2021 are collapsed, so really the true number of collapsed infoboxes is a lot lower. Indeed, I checked a sample of 10 pages on the 'What links here' list and the only 'true' collapsed infobox was at Rufford Old Hall. Say the true number of collapsed IBs is 500 to be conservative (probably also too large) (aside: that's about 0.01% of all infoboxes).
 * For comparison, to get the number of developed articles with no infobox at all, I'd probably use a WP:Petscan query to find all GAs/FAs that don't contain Infobox or a derivative. But I'm currently a bit of short on time to play around with Petscan, so I guess that part is left as an exercise for the interested reader ;) (fwiw was usually my go-to for data gathering exercises; they might be interested in this.) ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 08:31, 17 February 2022 (UTC)
 * 4019 (ish) AntiCompositeNumber (talk) 14:34, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

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22:58, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

A cup of coffee for you!

 * No worries, and thank you for reviewing it via AfC. Will admit some of the edits after I removed the tags are a bit more concerning, though. ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 16:18, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Thanks! ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 21:19, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

Filter LTA 1155 Trigger Question
Hello, the private filter numbered LTA 1155 blocked my citation addition to the Runge-Kutta-Fehlberg Method page. It looks like you created the filter, so I'm reaching out about the block. I reported the false positive in the usual way and got a notice from a bot that it was a private filter. I'm unsure if that's the end of the process or if there's more afterwards. Could you take a look at the edit and/or explain why it was blocked? Phlosioneer (talk) 21:46, 4 March 2022 (UTC)


 * Looks like it was sorted out by Suffusion of Yellow. Sorry for bothering you! Phlosioneer (talk) 22:47, 4 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Glad it was resolved, sorry about the issue! ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 21:19, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

Your draft article, Draft:AplexL


Hello, ProcrastinatingReader. It has been over six months since you last edited the Articles for Creation submission or Draft page you started, "AplexL".

In accordance with our policy that Wikipedia is not for the indefinite hosting of material deemed unsuitable for the encyclopedia mainspace, the draft has been deleted. If you plan on working on it further and you wish to retrieve it, you can request its undeletion. An administrator will, in most cases, restore the submission so you can continue to work on it.

Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 22:05, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

A barnstar for your efforts

 * Thanks! ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 12:49, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

I think you've made a mistake...
You say in your close that "The question that's really being asked by the available options, and the one which is being answered in the discussion, is whether the events may be called a genocide in wikivoice." But thats clearly not the case, none of the options use genocide in wikivoice, genocide is part of the article title (Uyghur Genocide) not the sentence itself. If that was the question being asked don't you think it would have actually been asked? Horse Eye&#39;s Back (talk) 05:01, 11 March 2022 (UTC)


 * Option A does say it in wikivoice, and almost all option B arguments–particularly after the debate started w.r.t. sourcing–directly argued that the reason why option A was not suitable was because the term did not meet the burden required to make the assertion in wikivoice. Indeed, many pro-option-A arguments after the debate started also made wikivoice arguments, feeling instead that the sourcing supported the statement in wikivoice, and FormalDude (an option A supporter) was the first to directly link to WP:YESPOV. The central issue in the discussion was WP:YESPOV/WP:WIKIVOICE, not a WP:AVOIDBOLD issue per se, even though that is how the RfC originally manifested itself.
 * If that was the question being asked don't you think it would have actually been asked? I think RfCs often go down a different path, sometimes quite quickly, and I note a lot of the latest participants did call it a bad RfC, and one explicitly said The RfC should really be about use of the term genocide in wikivoice for this topic as oppose to an RfC purely about phrasing. (which received concurrences) ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 05:09, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Option A was "The [article name] is the series of ongoing human rights abuses committed by the government of China against Uyghurs and other ethnic and religious minorities in Xinjiang." remember that the lead is agnostic in regards to the title of the article, in theory changing the title of an article should have zero impact on the lead as the underlying topic of the article does not change. Horse Eye&#39;s Back (talk) 05:13, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Many, perhaps most, option A and option B supporters felt that the prose in option A was making the statement in wikivoice. Option A supporters generally argued that the sourcing allowed this to be done, whereas option B supporters argued that the sourcing wasn't sufficient and that a serious debate existed. In fact, I think the only editor who argued in the RfC that WP:WIKIVOICE was not relevant to the selected option, or at least was not the main PAG to consider, was Compassionate727 in, however their position did not have support from other editors. ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 05:18, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Pretty sure I pointed it out as well... The wikivoice argument only applies to the title, it doesn't actually apply to the discussion about the lead sentence. If editors are mistakenly applying policy their arguments are to be disregarded by the closer it doesn't matter how many there are. Horse Eye&#39;s Back (talk) 05:26, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
 * you said which is a poor argument. The second sentence is terrible writing. Most readers of Wikipedia, even procrastinating ones are not policy wonks. They're not going to think of some technical argument that technically it's the title because it's the the WP:COMMONNAME and doesn't mean we aren't saying the the Uyghur genocide is factually a genocide. When they read the first one they're going to think we're calling it a genocide since that's what we do by that sentence. If you had come up with an alternative sentence that incorporates the title while making it clear that we are not calling it a genocide perhaps your proposal would have passed. But the version A does not. Instead it incorporates the title in such a way that it calls it a genocide in wikivoice. You're entitled to your view that it doesn't, but all the editors who disagree with you are entitled to the view it does. Since there is no policy which says the title can never be considered part of wikivoice, probably because such a policy makes no sense, our view cannot be ignored or discarded. If you're struggling think of this. A lead sentence "Myanmar is the official, correct and only name for the country which some people call by other ancient names which are completely incorrect and should never be used" is terrible for many many reasons I'm sure we both agree. But are you really going to say such a lead sentence doesn't imply something about the name Myanmar because it's simply using the COMMONNAME title? No such a title clear does say something about the name Myanmar, and we say something else very different if we rename the article to Burma changing only the word Myanmar into Burma. So no, the title of the article cannot be considered independent of the lead when it is incorporated into the lead, it's part of it and the whole sentence needs to be read as one element. Nil Einne (talk) 13:52, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Changing the name from Myanmar to Burma would not change the underlying topic, it would still be a page about the country in SE Asia and any lead sentence that couldn't accommodate that change without a change in meaning (such as the one you suggest) would be a poor first sentence. Why set up a fictitious straw man? The intro sentence for Myanmar is "Myanmar,[a] officially the Republic of the Union of Myanmar (Burmese: ပြည်ထောင်စု သမ္မတ မြန်မာနိုင်ငံတော်‌, [pjìdàuɴzṵ θàɴmədaa̰ mjəmà nàiɴŋàɴdɔ̀]), also called Burma,[b] is a country in Southeast Asia." which doesn't change at all in meaning if you swap Myanmar and Burma. Horse Eye&#39;s Back (talk) 17:05, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

Arbitration request for amendment: Discretionary sanctions procedure page and templates
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Discretionary sanctions procedure page and templates closed
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Good close
Good close at the Talk:Confederate States of America Rfc. Thanks for your willingness to engage in closures in some contentious topic areas, including wars, current events, media, and other areas. Your thoughtful and disinterested closures help the encyclopedia. Mathglot (talk) 16:58, 17 April 2022 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your kind words :) ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 21:33, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

Does ProcBot work with template purges?
Hi ProcrastinatingReader, does User:ProcBot/PurgeList2 work with templates, so it'd purge all transclusions of a template? Cheers, 🐶 EpicPupper (he/him &#124; talk) 20:40, 23 April 2022 (UTC)


 * The bot does, but the page is a little broken. What template do you need purged (if you still need it purged)? ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 21:52, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
 * @ProcrastinatingReader, Signpost/Deadline preferably 🐶 EpicPupper (he/him &#124; talk) 09:50, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I see. Yeah, it's a bit broken for this variety of template purging, but I will see if a quick variation of the current code will work. ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 10:37, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi! Any updates? I saw that you added something to purge it once. Cheers! 🐶 EpicPupper (he/him &#124; talk) 20:13, 28 May 2022 (UTC)

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Do you have a plan for Template:Mobile compatibility issue?
Do you have a plan for Mobile compatibility issue? It looks like a template that might be useful if there is not already one that does what this one appears to intend to do, but right now it looks empty when I view it. – Jonesey95 (talk) 06:57, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Apparently the template doesn't like issue. I think the param name just needs fixing. ProcSock (talk) 22:25, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I have tidied the parameters. The template still has no transclusions. – Jonesey95 (talk) 15:38, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

Could you make ProcBot exclusion compliant?
Or at least leave Template:Editnotices/Page/User:USERNAME/Signpost draft alone? It puts the edit notice on the wrong page. See Template talk:Editnotices/Page/User:USERNAME/Signpost draft.&#32; Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 04:38, 27 June 2022 (UTC)
 * try using editnotice with yes. ProcSock (talk) 22:25, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Like this? &#32; Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 22:31, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Looks like it's working now. Thank you both! Regards, HaeB (talk) 07:34, 7 July 2022 (UTC)

Hello?
Hello, ProcrastinatingReader,

I was just looking at an old AN discussion, saw your name and hovered over it to see that you haven't edited with this account since May 18th although I see that you have made some edits with an alternative account. I just thought I'd check in and see if you are just busy with off-wiki life or whether this was a sign of your departure from the platform. I hope it is the former! We need you here.

I hope you have having a pleasant summer! Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 18:47, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

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ProcBot source code
Hey ProcrastinatingReader. How are you? I hope you are doing well. Any chance you can either bring ProcBot back online, or open source your code? Since you don't currently seem to be active, we're looking into recreating one of ProcBot's tasks, and it's not very efficient to do it without a clear algorithm or source code. The discussion is at Village pump (technical). Thanks a lot. Looking forward to your feedback. – Novem Linguae (talk) 22:55, 26 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi Novem, doing well thanks. Hope things are well with yourself also. Sounds like what you have at your BRFA is correct; the essence of the category part of the task is just a forcelinkupdate, with some fancy wrapper code to deal with updates to the purge list.


 * I'd been meaning to open source it at some point, but realistically not sure when I'll get around to it. I recall was doing some work around bot purges of categories so he might be worth reaching out to. My task will probably be back up whenever I finish the move of ProcBot to WMCS, but redundancy is good :) ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 12:38, 10 September 2022 (UTC)

Re IRC
I noticed that as well, but thought it would be a good excuse to start working on T12347 instead of trying to build it into the bot. Hopefully I'll have something to show in a week or two. Legoktm (talk) 21:27, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:Invalid parameters category
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Heya proc. I have absconded Special:AbuseFilter/1180 because I am working on the same problem. I hope this isn't an issue. If it is, I can fork it into a new filter. -- Guerillero  Parlez Moi 10:41, 18 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Yeah that's fine. Though I remember running into a lot of FPs when I tried to write up that filter, never got around to trying to optimise it; hopefully you have better luck. ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 11:42, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

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 * Thanks for the above. I see re the first point, hadn't thought of that. Regarding the second: I don't know if a warning shot meaningfully makes DS less overriding of the usual processes? I guess I see why it might be perceived that way though.
 * It probably shouldn't be that hard to write a version which brings it under community control? 1) Let admins impose topic bans unilaterally, either wiki-wide or just in certain topic areas. 2) Potentially remove some of the other special things like 'no undoing except at AE' and rely on WP:RAAA. 3) Make logging the same as the usual WP:Editing restrictions process. 4) Create a simple process for page restrictions. 5) Then the only thing you need is a structured noticeboard similar to WP:AE -- this might be the hardest part, as IIRC the community rejected this a year or two ago. I think these cover everything WP:AC/DS offers? ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 22:12, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Writing a version is not hard; writing a version and getting community approval is a bigger challenge. Historically, there has been a lot of distrust of admins from a significant segment of the editing community that likes to discuss these matters. Thus attaining consensus to give admins more powers has been hard. I'm not sure if this sentiment has waxed, waned, or stayed the same within the group of people who get involved in these discussions, though. Now that we have years of experience with discretionary sanctions, its track record can hopefully be used to provide useful data for a discussion. isaacl (talk) 22:26, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Fair enough. I feel like DS's powers are effectively admin powers, since half the encyclopaedia is under DS, and ArbCom's oversight is minimal, and very few cases reach ARCA and even fewer (none?) actually get overturned. So personally I don't see a difference between admins being able to topic ban under DS, and admins being able to topic ban. But I doubt many share my perspective :)
 * The first proposal may well fail but I guess having a serious discussion and revisiting the issue again may not hurt. ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 22:31, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
 * I don't think literally half of Wikipedia's articles are subject to discretionary sanctions, so I think there might be pushback on giving admins new powers for all articles. (How many restrictions remain unexamined will probably be an argument for those opposing it.) That being said, I think it may be possible to get a specific list of new powers approved for problem areas (though I wouldn't bet on it). I think the blanket "invent your own restriction" authority currently provided by discretionary sanctions won't get approved, but in any case I believe most people feel that novel restrictions are more painful to communicate and enforce than they're worth. isaacl (talk) 22:46, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

why did you remove internet personality from elon musk
Is.he not made famous on the internet? Do we not hear about this guy multiple times a day? Stop the tyrannical edits AboutMeREAL (talk) 11:33, 25 November 2022 (UTC)


 * You created a section on the talk page which is the right place to discuss this. I'll respond there. ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 11:34, 25 November 2022 (UTC)

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Hello. I want to strongly request that you and 's dress your incorrect reading of the consensus in Requests_for_comment/Deployment_of_Vector_(2022). The RFC did not show a clear support in favor of the proposal at all, but rather strongly divided opinion. Likewise your closure's claim that deployment had consensus from the community if concerns were addressed is just not true. The vast majority of the opposers never indicated a conditional support. They opposed entirely. Your incorrect closure already had a serious negative impact on this project and you should now take this step in the chain of setting things straight.Tvx1 17:47, 20 January 2023 (UTC)


 * We didn't say that it showed clear support in favor at the time. What we said was The most substantial concern, and the only clear blocker, was the issue of fixed-width. The idea of using a community-maintained gadget is deemed insufficient. It should be possible to achieve a full-width experience using a WMF-maintained toggle, which is clearly visible and available to both logged-out and logged-in users. There were also notable concerns about non-intuitive icons in the sticky header and the behaviour of the language selector, which we believe need to be addressed to achieve a firm consensus. If all the concerns outlined above are satisfactorily addressed then we see community support to roll out the change
 * Looking back at the discussions PR and myself had via email, and rereading parts of the RFC, I still feel very comfortable with the close. A quick gander at the first third of opposes shows at least 15 responses where their opposition was based specifically on the fixed width issue. Looking at just those, not even the full number that exist in the opposes, or the opposes that have some concerns other than fixed width, that brings the support/oppose ratio to 169 to 150.
 * If all the concerns outlined above [were] satisfactorily addressed, then there would have been a firm consensus. That the concerns were not satisfactorily addressed and the Web team wishes to roll out without addressing one of the above issues without either a specific discussion on that issue or a second RfC as they originally planned is not an issue with the close. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 18:33, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Looking at just those, not even the full number that exist in the opposes, or the opposes that have some concerns other than fixed width, that brings the support/oppose ratio to 169 to 150. I have great respect for you both PR and SFR, as excellent wikipedians whose judgment I trust. But in this instance, I do have to ask: do you think there is any other discussion with this wide-ranging of an impact, without WMF involvement, where 169 to 150 would have come out realistically as anything other than no-consensus? A lot of those Opp votes had individual and important concerns which were not addressed with these remedies. — Shibboleth ink  (♔ ♕) 18:37, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
 * As I said, that was looking at the first third of opposes, not the whole list. That is also why we included the language that we did about addressing the other concerns, and if not addressing them to conduct further discussions or RFCs. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 18:43, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Fair enough. I respect your closures in general and here, even if I disagree with the result. More than anything, I appreciate the difficulty of the position you're in. — Shibboleth ink  (♔ ♕) 19:14, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
 * As Dumuzid always says, reasonable people can disagree. I appreciate you, and Tvx reaching out, and trust me that an incredible amount of consideration went into the close, and into the current situation. For example, perhaps stronger wording than "encourage" could have prevented this. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 19:19, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Are you actually mocking us now? The very first sentence of your closure reads "Overall, there is a positive reception to the changes.", yet you genuinely claim here that you didn't state that their was a clear support??? The only correct reading here is that overall there was a strongly divided reaction to the proposed new skin. And how can you genuinely claim that an incredible amount of consideration went into this close shortly after you admitted having only looked at a third of the opposes. Moreover you are morphing numbers by personally numbers by assuming that people would have automatically supported if some concerns were addressed. That's literally make decision in place of other people. If you have any respect for the community you would correct the clear errors in your close as soon as possible.Tvx1 20:58, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm assuming you didn't fully read my above comments, which is the only reason I can think why you would believe that I only read a third of the comments when closing the RFC. Looking back at the discussions PR and myself had via email, and rereading parts of the RFC, I still feel very comfortable with the close. A quick gander at the first third of opposes shows at least 15 responses where their opposition was based specifically on the fixed width issue. parses, to me, that I took a quick gander of the first third of opposes while rereading parts of the RFC. Two months ago, when closing the RFC, I read the entire discussion, including the discussions below the survey multiple times. That is likely why I read the positive reception included in many of the opposes.
 * Much like not reading my statement above fully, not reading the entirety of the RFC close might leave you with the impression that we said there was clear support. Luckily, we had access to more words than we used in the first sentence, and went on to explain what the main blockers to consensus were, and that they would need to be addressed satisfactorily to achieve consensus. We then elaborated We encourage the Web team to be sure they have addressed the community’s concerns on these issues before moving forward. If the Web team wishes to roll out without addressing one of the above issues then we would encourage either a specific discussion on that issue or a second RfC as they originally planned.
 * Considering and weighing responses and arguments is part of closing RFCs, which is why they're WP:NOTAVOTE. If concerns causing editors to disagree are satisfactorily addressed, that would lead to consensus.
 * If a group is trying to decide on what to eat, half say pepperoni pizza is fine, a quarter say pizza is fine but they don't want pepperoni, and a quarter either don't want pizza or want different toppings, that does not mean there is a consensus against pizza. In fact, one might even say that if the pepperoni issue was resolved to the satisfaction of a number of the group, that there would be a consensus. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 23:12, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Now matter how you keep spinning it, there never was an "overall positive reception to the changes". The reception was strongly divided and thus your closure's first sentence is blatantly wrong. And the opposers did not generaly state that they would support if the issues were fixed. These characterizations are patently false and therefore I will again insist that you change these patently incorrect conclusions in your close as soon as possible. Tvx1 22:37, 21 January 2023 (UTC)
 * If a group is trying to decide on what to eat, half say pepperoni pizza is fine, a quarter say pizza is fine but they don't want pepperoni, and a quarter either don't want pizza or want different toppings, that does not mean there is a consensus against pizza. In fact, one might even say that if the pepperoni issue was resolved to the satisfaction of a number of the group, that there would be a consensus no there would not, you would either get everyone what they wanted (which we cant do here due to technical issues) or find something else that more people would like, either way, this would mean that you shouldn't hold a pizza party Transcleanupgal (talk) 22:02, 22 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi. Respectfully, based on some of your comments above and on the rollback RfC, I am not sure you have understood our close correctly. There are a few other comments on the rollback RfC, by other editors, which seem like partial readings of the close. We spent a lot of time reading all the comments in that RfC, and in wordsmithing the close, and it does need to be read in its entirety to avoid misunderstandings. I will say that Sunrise has correctly summarised the close and its implications here, if you're looking for an alternate formulation of it. I'll further add that IMO the issues we said had to be satisfactorily addressed were not, and on some of the issues it doesn't appear like any attempt was made to make any further changes in response to RfC feedback. I recently asked the team what changes they made w.r.t. icons, for example, and the response seemed to have largely been a justification of their original position; no changes noted in their response were done after the RfC started. Further, (paraphrasing Sunrise) I'd expected the team [to have] discussions with editors about whether any changes they made were sufficient, ergo the specific wording we used. ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 06:18, 23 January 2023 (UTC)

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 * To be honest, the main reason I hadn't started one is because I'm not sure I pass. [It's quite difficult to imagine, in advance, what opinion the wider community has of you.] In any case I have less time these days, so if I did run I wouldn't really be able to monitor the page continuously, assuming that's even required. ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 12:15, 16 February 2023 (UTC)

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 * Fyi, the question I raised is not a technical point about discretionary sanctions versus contentious topics. It's about an authorization for discretionary sanctions being configured in Module:Sanctions/data for the Russo-Ukrainian war, although as far as I can tell, the associated discussion only reached a consensus to apply extended-confirmed protection to related pages. isaacl (talk) 03:24, 25 June 2023 (UTC)
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... was written for 5 November, but is missing for yesterday and today. -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:08, 7 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi - investigating. It seems like there's an issue with network connectivity on the WMCS cluster ProcBot is hosted on. ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 09:25, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you for explaining, but what does it mean for the missing ones? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:40, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
 * The bot wouldn't be able to create them, as it takes snapshots of the main page as a whole. It's a bit more tricky to retroactively construct the main page for a previous date, at least this bot isn't capable of doing that. ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 09:47, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
 * It would have to be done by hand, I understand, and you seem to be closest to the recipe. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:19, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm currently doing them manually, once a day. Please ping me when the bot is ready to operate again. Thanks. — Voice of Clam (talk) 17:17, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Will do, apologies for delay. WMCS sysadmins said I'll need to recreate the cluster. I then needed more storage space to be able to do so, which has been given now, but now my API credentials don't work... To be honest, it's a bit of a busy period for me so I may not be able to deal with this all for a couple of weeks. ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 10:45, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Should be operating again. ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 16:01, 2 December 2023 (UTC)

A solstice greeting
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Hi ProcrastinatingReader! I'd like to wish you a splendid solstice season as we wrap up the year. Here is an artwork, made individually for you, to celebrate. I always appreciate your work in both technical and non-technical spaces! Take care, and thanks for all you do to make Wikipedia better!Cheers, &#123;{u&#124; Sdkb }&#125;  talk

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 * Thanks! And to you too, :) (nice DALL-E art by the way!) ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 22:44, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

ProcBot: Move editnotices following underlying page move failure
ProcBot's task "Move editnotices following underlying page move" failed to run per the configuration specified at Bot activity monitor/Configurations. Detected only 0 "move" actions in the last 14 days, whereas at least 1 was expected. If/when the issue is fixed, please change the section title (e.g. append " - Fixed") or remove this section completely. When that is done, this notice will be reposted if the bot task is still broken or is re-broken. If your bot is behaving as expected, then you may want to modify the task configuration instead. Or to unsubscribe from bot failure notifications, remove the notify parameter from the template. Thanks! – SDZeroBot (talk) 00:20, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

Technical note
I noticed in your recent closure of the RFC on the Gaza war page that you indicated that no consensus in that context meant that the status quo prevailed. I'm not 100% on certain ground here, but just as a technical matter, considering that this was an RFC specifically related to the inclusion of material, wouldn't that mean that per WP:ONUS and the lack of a consensus for inclusion that policy weighs in favour of exclusion. (NB: I haven't checked the pre-RFC version for what was there, but am purely raising this point on its technical merits.) Iskandar323 (talk) 14:23, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Regarding this close, I'm not sure you're correct that In this discussion, opinion is more or less evenly divided. As far as I can tell, opinion is strongly in favor of inclusion in one form or another; 35 editors supported inclusion, while only 23 opposed it (and one editor had no preference between B and C). BilledMammal (talk) 20:24, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
 * I believe that "inclusion of material" clause only applies for some content on BLPs, according to the WP:NOCON policy anyway. (The exact wording of NOCON would suggest you apply it for all disputes involving BLPs, but in practice, I've only seen it applied to certain types of contentious material on BLPs.) Admittedly, WP:NOCON is inconsistently applied, and often what we do is subject-matter-dependent. I don't see a good reason for anything other than the standard 'revert to status quo' in this case, as the material is not unsourced or anything like that. It's a purely editorial decision to include/remove. Worth noting, WP:ONUS v WP:NOCON has came up at the village pumps a few times that I recall, and IIRC it is a bit contentious and a matter that many have an opinion on. I don't care too much myself. My personal understanding is: if the content was only in the lead for a day pre-RFC I'd say the status quo is to have it removed rather than keep it in. If the content was in there and stable pre-RFC, I'd say the status quo is to keep it.
 * I have a similar count, but that still comes to exactly 60% in favour of inclusion. I would not consider 60% a consensus, on a matter that is purely about editorial discretion. ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 09:32, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks. That was informative. Iskandar323 (talk) 10:56, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
 * I would not consider 60% more or less evenly divided. Characterizing it like that is misleading. You can argue it's short of consensus, but it's not evenly divided. Nemov (talk) 14:41, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

ProcBot: Main Page snapshots failure
ProcBot's task "Main Page snapshots" failed to run per the configuration specified at Bot activity monitor/Configurations. Detected only 0 edits in the last 1 day, whereas at least 1 was expected. If/when the issue is fixed, please change the section title (e.g. append " - Fixed") or remove this section completely. When that is done, this notice will be reposted if the bot task is still broken or is re-broken. If your bot is behaving as expected, then you may want to modify the task configuration instead. Or to unsubscribe from bot failure notifications, remove the notify parameter from the template. Thanks! – SDZeroBot (talk) 00:21, 29 February 2024 (UTC)


 * Seems to be an infrastructure issue on WMCS's ProcBot instance. Will contact sysadmins. ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 11:20, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Resolved. ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 14:02, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

ProcBot: Moved an editnotice from a redirect to the target article
This move by ProcBot was undesirable. Any way to stop moves of that type? Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 04:38, 10 March 2024 (UTC)


 * It's persistent! I think I was able to exclude the bot from that one page, but I'm guessing the bot treats all redirect editnotices as problematic? Is there a way to only target ones that have been recently moved? Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 01:34, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Hi if an editnotice is intended to be targeted at the redirect, rather than the article the redirect points to, Template:Editnotice suggests adding the yes param to the template call. That would also stop ProcBot from moving the editnotice. ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 15:06, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
 * I've done that here :) ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 15:07, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Gotcha. Thanks! Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 15:52, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

CopyPatrolBot
Just wanted to see if you're fine with CopyPatrolBot, since you put it on hold and there is some debate about the wording of your message. I'm headed out but I'll see any replies in the morning. Primefac (talk) 21:03, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

RFA2024 update: no longer accepting new proposals in phase I
Hey there! This is to let you know that phase I of the 2024 requests for adminship (RfA) review is now no longer accepting new proposals. Lots of proposals remain open for discussion, and the current round of review looks to be on a good track towards making significant progress towards improving RfA's structure and environment. I'd like to give my heartfelt thanks to everyone who has given us their idea for change to make RfA better, and the same to everyone who has given the necessary feedback to improve those ideas. The following proposals remain open for discussion:


 * Proposal 2, initiated by, provides for the addition of a text box at Requests for adminship reminding all editors of our policies and enforcement mechanisms around decorum.
 * Proposals 3 and 3b, initiated by and, respectively, provide for trials of discussion-only periods at RfA. The first would add three extra discussion-only days to the beginning, while the second would convert the first two days to discussion-only.
 * Proposal 5, initiated by, provides for a trial of RfAs without threaded discussion in the voting sections.
 * Proposals 6c and 6d, initiated by, provide for allowing users to be selected as provisional admins for a limited time through various concrete selection criteria and smaller-scale vetting.
 * Proposal 7, initiated by, provides for the "General discussion" section being broken up with section headings.
 * Proposal 9b, initiated by, provides for the requirement that allegations of policy violation be substantiated with appropriate links to where the alleged misconduct occured.
 * Proposals 12c, 21, and 21b, initiated by, , and , respectively, provide for reducing the discretionary zone, which currently extends from 65% to 75%. The first would reduce it 65%–70%, the second would reduce it to 50%–66%, and the third would reduce it to 60%–70%.
 * Proposal 13, initiated by, provides for periodic, privately balloted admin elections.
 * Proposal 14, initiated by, provides for the creation of some minimum suffrage requirements to cast a vote.
 * Proposals 16 and 16c, initiated by and, respectively, provide for community-based admin desysop procedures. 16 would desysop where consensus is established in favor at the administrators' noticeboard; 16c would allow a petition to force reconfirmation.
 * Proposal 16e, initiated by, would extend the recall procedures of 16 to bureaucrats.
 * Proposal 17, initiated by, provides for "on-call" admins and 'crats to monitor RfAs for decorum.
 * Proposal 18, initiated by, provides for lowering the RfB target from 85% to 75%.
 * Proposal 24, initiated by, provides for a more robust alternate version of the optional candidate poll.
 * Proposal 25, initiated by, provides for the requirement that nominees be extended-confirmed in addition to their nominators.
 * Proposal 27, initiated by, provides for the creation of a training course for admin hopefuls, as well as periodic retraining to keep admins from drifting out of sync with community norms.
 * Proposal 28, initiated by, tightens restrictions on multi-part questions.

To read proposals that were closed as unsuccessful, please see Requests for adminship/2024 review/Phase I/Closed proposals. You are cordially invited once again to participate in the open discussions; when phase I ends, phase II will review the outcomes of trial proposals and refine the implementation details of other proposals. Another notification will be sent out when this phase begins, likely with the first successful close of a major proposal. Happy editing! theleekycauldron (talk • she/her), via:

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